General Reports

[QUOTE=Gkastanza99;6742839]I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my moneys worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?[/QUOTE]Feel hhr is sweet spot. Hr unless only a bit more isn't worth it. I don't need a full hour to nut nor am I trying to put in work for them LOL just nut and go. Qv can get hairy because some don't offer qv FS and then if I do get a clock watcher 15 minutes can go by quickly.

[QUOTE=Hyperion11;6742333]Yeah, obviously we're not at a time where SCOTUS would take a case like this. But the hope is that someone would put up a serious fight, just like Robert Kraft did and either get the charges dismissed, or make any conviction a Pyrrhic victory for the the. Could be just wishful thinking on my side.[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with wishful thinking so long as it's accompanied by a substantial dose of reality.

The realities are obvious. The laws that are being asserted exist for good reasons. There's a much better philosophical argument that an independent woman "dating" for cash should be left alone and that neither her nor her date's actions should be illegal or, if illegal, prosecuted.

As soon as you end up with an "organization" running things, whether it's a "pimp" or a more extensive enterprise. . . Forgettaboutit. (Much less an organization crossing international borders.) There just is no sympathy in society or the legal system (which reflects society).

[QUOTE=Bran001;6743678]As soon as you end up with an "organization" running things, whether it's a "pimp" or a more extensive enterprise. . . Forgettaboutit. (Much less an organization crossing international borders.) There just is no sympathy in society or the legal system (which reflects society).[/QUOTE]As with most things, there is grey area to that as well. There can be very legitimate reasons for having an agency. Look at how many high end UTR girls or XXX stars operate. Much like a landlord may use a large agency with better resources than an individual to find a safe (as possible) tenant, a sex worker should be able to do the same with clients.

[QUOTE=Gkastanza99;6742839]I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my moneys worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?[/QUOTE]You should do the hour if it's someone you seeing more than 3 times that treat you good and doesn't watch the time.

Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.

[QUOTE=Gkastanza99;6742839]I made the move down from HR to HHR especially for first visits since so many girls seem to be one and done anyway.i never felt like I was getting my moneys worth for the hour. Should I make the move down to QV? It doesn't normally save all that much but everything counts. What is usually the difference? Is it just a BJ or FS? Is it clothed or something? I know it probably varies but what is the norm?[/QUOTE]Depends on the girl. Some QV don't include FS, some do. I've found it's about 50/50 whether FS is included. A lot of QV I've done include it and it's really about 20 min. But YMMV.

[QUOTE=Comcast7777;6746099]Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.[/QUOTE]Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.

[QUOTE=SalamanderFour;6746927]Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.[/QUOTE]Don't think it can be posted because is a competing site, which is why it is always referred to as the other forum.

[QUOTE=SalamanderFour;6746927]Which forum? The internet is chock full of sites.[/QUOTE]The oThER forum people usually call it.

[QUOTE=Comcast7777;6746099]Looks like someone on the other forum posted that he received a summons. Obviously feel horrible for the guy but could be good news for those who haven't received anything yet.[/QUOTE]Yea I mean the dates are already coming up. So if you didn't receive anything yet. Probably can breathe a bit assuming they don't go another round, but I doubt that'd be the case. This is probably just showing they are "trying" to do something. Sucks either way especially the public aspect of it all if the names of these individuals do get released.

The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public or not. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

[URL]https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17/mass-sjc-delays-hearing-commercial-sex-ring-brothel[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hyperion11;6756654]The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

[URL]https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17/mass-sjc-delays-hearing-commercial-sex-ring-brothel[/URL][/QUOTE]Hopefully, they understand most of us are insignificant people. They will destroy us for nothing—no political gain, not anything. Meanwhile, the agencies are still there, and thousands banging sex workers as I write this.

Looks like client names are safe for now. Mass SJC has stayed the probable cause hearings.

[URL]https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/public-court-hearings-halted-alleged-clients-mass-sex-ring-catering-prominent-clientele/TCKQ2FAGRZBWBLKROPQ3CJIWSA/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hyperion11;6756654]The hearings are delayed while SJC decides whether they should be public or not. Hopefully a move into the right direction:

[URL]https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17/mass-sjc-delays-hearing-commercial-sex-ring-brothel[/URL][/QUOTE]Here's a repost of my half of a PM discussion in the Northern Virginia forum:

(Note: I'm not an attorney and I don't live in MA, so feel free to point out anything I may have gotten wrong).

Good news for defendants, and potential defendants, bad news for the prosecution (IMO).

Here's my line of thinking: Local MA prosecutors could have chosen any date they wanted to begin court proceedings. The fact that they chose the 18th, 19th, and 22nd, demonstrates that they felt they had all their ducks in a row and were good to go. One essential part of their preparation would have been to anticipate the kinds of motions and tactics likely to be used by defense attorneys.

Therefore, a last-minute delay can only mean that there's a fly in the ointment. It's hard to guess how serious the problem is, but it's absolutely clear that there is SOME kind of problem. Or perhaps some defense attorney motion they hadn't anticipated and don't have a ready answer for.

And any delay will be used by defense attorneys to double-down, especially since they're sure to see this as a sign of weakness on the part of the prosecution. One thing I think they'll pummel the judge with is the fundamental unfairness of allowing public hearings. Here's where MA law is weird (IMO) - in VA an arrest is made when (and only when) probable cause of a statutory violation is found. That finding can be made by LE at the time of the alleged offense (ex. DUI, assault, etc.). Or it can be made later via affidavit for arrest warrant or Grand Jury indictment, both of which have to be signed by a magistrate or judge. In ALL of those examples, the info of the arrestee doesn't become public until AFTER there's a finding of probable cause justifying the arrest AND the arrest is actually made.

In MA, however, none of the 28 alleged clients have been arrested and no probable cause to justify an arrest has yet been found. It seems to me that there are profound due process and privacy issues at stake here. And that's what I hope defense attorneys are hammering away at. We'll know more in a few days and it wouldn't surprise me to see either a reversal of the public hearing decision, or an appeal on that issue to a higher court. If there's an appeal, that will likely result in an additional delay.

[QUOTE=TheGodsDecree;6756785]Hopefully, they understand most of us are insignificant people. They will destroy us for nothingno political gain, not anything. Meanwhile, the agencies are still there, and thousands banging sex workers as I write this.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right. There is absolutely no gain at all, just to humiliate and praise for the the office. They tried to embarrass Bob Kraft, one of the most powerful man in the NFL with a simple HJ. If they can go all out on him, they can do the same to us insignificant people. Hollywood stars are already facing this and most of them did nothing wrong. Big difference is that he's still one of the most powerful man in the NFL. But a simple leak like this can ruin our lives forever. Ashley Madison list did just that to so many people.