Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Gatty23;3311991]I have an idea for a new scale to rate providers. It's the GF-WOW experience scale. An amazing Girl Friend Experience would rate a 10 and a Worn Out Wife Experience would rate a 1.

That perfect GFE score would be for the lady who meets you on time wearing something sexy and making sure she anticipates, knows, or learns your desires. Then she doesn't rush and takes good care of you while she also seems to really enjoy being with you and gets into the things you want to do. Finally, she tells you that she had a great time and invites you back, while discretely taking her donation.

The WOW Experience is when the provider is late, wears blue jeans or sweats, just tells you to get undressed, and then goes through the motions, sighs, complains, rolls her eyes, or says "no" to the things you ask for. Even if she agreed to them or advertised them in the first place. There might also be that awesome turn on of "are you done yet?

One more thing, I know that guys can be jerks as well, so maybe you ladies should devise a scale for rating us.

Stay Safe everybody.[/QUOTE]Boy you opened a can of worms on that last statement LOL. Mongers have way thinner skin and much more sensitive than the ladies. Most providers if truthful would tell you that most men have know idea. If they reviewed and was truthful they would go out of business pretty fast. You pay for the illusion that your the cock of the walk for that time period. You don't want to read in a review that your actually not.

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3311845]Go to the LOCAL Scout shop! I guarantee you can find a large enough shirt. BUT wouldn't you want a small shirt to show case the girls?

[blue]Not speaking badly about the girls but I think with the woman in question the big plus of a small shirt would be that it wouldn't cover that delectable spinner ass of hers.

Just saying,

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]As best that I can recall from my troubled youth, a Den Mother is actually the adult female leader of a group of cub scouts, not girl scouts. I stand to be corrected though, as I was a lousy cub scout. Nevertheless, Molly would make an ideal Den Mother. In fact, she can be my Den Mother any day of the week. Either in or out of uniform!

Why.

[QUOTE=Glockman;3313147]As best that I can recall from my troubled youth, a Den Mother is actually the adult female leader of a group of cub scouts, not girl scouts. I stand to be corrected though, as I was a lousy cub scout. Nevertheless, Molly would make an ideal Den Mother. In fact, she can be my Den Mother any day of the week. Either in or out of uniform![/QUOTE]Mr. Glockman on both regards. Any day of the week and I remember my Den Mother of my Cub Scout troop.

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!!

There are a few local ones. Club 440 in Milford and Sinday here in Cincinnati. Princeton in Columbus is supposed to be quite good.

I'm actually working on going to 440 tonight. Might see ya there!

[QUOTE=Jmoney69;3313240]Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!![/QUOTE]

This is Sunny from Wednesday. I wished my Den Mother looked like this. I might have attended all the meetings and stayed in the cub scouts longer. But then, I might have turned out to be normal! That would have been a shame.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3313109]Boy you opened a can of worms on that last statement LOL. Mongers have way thinner skin and much more sensitive than the ladies. Most providers if truthful would tell you that most men have know idea. If they reviewed and was truthful they would go out of business pretty fast. You pay for the illusion that your the cock of the walk for that time period. You don't want to read in a review that your actually not.[/QUOTE]Why would they review anything other that what is important to them: that you upheld your part of the deal as agreed or that you shorted them or that you ran out without leaving their donation? One other category of their concern might be if you are a difficult customer or not, but beyond that, there's not much else they care about. They are doing this for a job, not for fun, not for sport fucking. They don't care how you perform in bed, what you look like, etc. In any case, I do know of another review site that does feature reviews of hobbyists by providers, but it's garbage and I hardly ever visit it.

[QUOTE=ThomasPaine;3313549]We're judgmental in life. And we certainly can and tend to be judgmental in our hobby. The more I hobby and age the more I realize benefit of the doubt goes a long way. But it has definitely bitten me in the ass, too.

In Lacey Foxx's case, how can anyone not judge her when her incall is in such bad condition regardless of her explanation why? I did. But my new non-judgmental self has decided that's her gig. And if you want to see Lacey, that's where she gigs. So why do I continue to compromise certain hobby standards like a clean crib by continuing to see Lacey? Sorry, but at least for me, Lacey's more addicting with every visit. It only makes sense because that's the way it usually is with most new provider "relationships. " Comfort and confidence builds with familiarity. In Lacey's case, frequency pays. But maybe not for everyone. In my case, she's incredibly attentive to my desires, never assumes anything, and is the first provider I've ever met who, in the middle of the deed will stop and ask, "can I suck your dick for a while? I really like doing that. " Uh, is the Pope Catholic?

I've never understood how anyone behind the wheel of a Ford Fiesta could possibly love his car as much as the next guy driving a new Mustang, Lexus, or whatever. And I can't count the number of times I've read a review raving about a provider and after glancing at her posted ad and pics thought to myself, "how could anyone want to see that woman?" But they do. It's called YMMV.

Similarly, I found it surprising when I would read reports about Lacey Foxx that would not agree she's pretty, attractive, or a good performer. Yeah, she has some visible baby damage, but in no way is it as extensive as I think I've read from others on this site. So again, YMMV I suppose.

But at least IMHO, Lacey Foxx is worth adapting your hobby habits. This last time, I brought along my travel bag complete with a fresh bed sheet, a quality pillow, a couple of towels, and a plastic bag to store clothes to protect them from the nicotine smell. Why would I go through all of that trouble just to spend a couple of hours with any provider? Because few providers perform as outstandingly well as Lacey Foxx IMHO.

This is my last Lacey Foxx review only because after this I really have nothing more to say that hasn't already been said. But again, YMMV. As a result of my recent visit with this young nymphette the other night, Lacey Foxx is worth the time, the effort, the environment compromises, and the wallet damage.

Here's where you find Lacey Foxx:

[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/350/posts/1-Independent-Escorts/1-Independent-Escorts/29264-Let-s-have-some-fun-.html[/URL]

But note! There's another newbie provider calling herself "Sexylillacey" (who is clearly not Lacey Foxx) found here:

[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/350/posts/1-Independent-Escorts/1-Independent-Escorts/29369--Come-and-enjoy-Lacey-.html[/URL]

Unfortunately, like Silky Wetness had to deal with back in the day a few years ago when Velvet introduced everyone to her disciple she named "Silk," a newbie provider at that time (who recently went on vacation most recently known as Sassy Sexy) originally came on the scene by the handle "Silky" and confused the hell out of everyone (especially Silk). Sassy probably changed her name three or four times by the time the feud was over (even this site's admin got involved if I remember correctly) and Silk herself had to change her name to her current "Silky Wetness" moniker. And although I'm sure she's a nice woman, unfortunately, the new Sexylillacy is causing similar headache for our little miss Lacey Foxx with her new handle choice.

My advice if you've got the time and the cash? Run, don't walk to spend time with Lacey Foxx, my friends. But before you do, I suggest you read my prior report on her first:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11470-USA-Adult-Classified-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3298099&viewfull=1#post3298099[/URL]

Stay horny my friends.

Tommy.[/QUOTE]Thomas, not to be a dick, but we (or at least I) need a TLDR on that shit. Listen, I'm glad you've reached a plateau of supreme non-judgmental. I don't think the rest of us have. Any chick that wants to sell that booty full time can manage to get a hotel room as part of the business overhead that comes with having guys show up.

If you guys are seriously willing to go fuck on an air mattress (or less) in a house with no running water along with toilets that don't flush and still have shit in them, then knock your socks off. Just don't go on about how those of us that aren't impressed should be "not walking, but running" to see her.

Seriously. I think this is why the choices in the area are bullshit. A lot of you guys are mongering on a hamburger budget pretending it's a fucking steak.

Anyway, have a nice day.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3313017]A few of you mongers are posting about how Crissee ripped you off and then she is making good on previous lapses of time or contributions. Yet it is a select few. I have received more PM's from others that thanked me for my original post about her and her recent issues. She has to keep a few of you around to pay the pharmacy bills, support her BF and pay the rent so it doesn't surprise me. Here is the thing. She has ripped others off, your time will come. She is an addict and has and will lie to get what she needs. If you really want to see how reconciliatory she can be, then one of you should contact her and say "I want two one hour services that were pre-paid by Freckle Freak the last time he was at your Norwood estate". Let's see how far that will get you. I also don't need to be lectured on that was my mistake because I already know it was a choice I made. I also can afford to lose some funds. I also can pay only to play and leave. So it's not about any of that. It's about the principle of her ability to tell the truth. It's about the principle of her saying she isn't an addict. It's about the principle of her BF showing up and saying it's her cousin. I am sure that her BF had a lot to do with her going silent on me. He didn't like the fact that I had spent the night there and watched her nod out multiple times and find their stash. He didn't like the fact that I had invaded his turf on more than an hourly basis. Sure her service is good, that's why a few of you are continuing to enable her addiction. As far as giving her enough rope to hang herself, well I gave it to her but she made the choice to put it around her neck and tighten the noose. Eventually she will be walking the streets because a few of you are giving her the rope she so desperately requires until the next time.

What is sad is she has so much potential not as a provider but as human being. Until she makes the choice to stop she will just be an addict who is relying on a few enablers.[/QUOTE]Hey Freckle. I've followed you for a while and have appreciated your input. I do find it curious how you wind up in so many situations like Crissee's etc. How does that happen? I mean, how do you get so involved in the lives of users / providers that you can share the details of their lives, and ALWAYS seem to share some funds?

Just asking. It's starting to seem to me that you're enjoying being a close-up spectator at the very least.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3313631]Hey Freckle. I've followed you for a while and have appreciated your input. I do find it curious how you wind up in so many situations like Crissee's etc. How does that happen? I mean, how do you get so involved in the lives of users / providers that you can share the details of their lives, and ALWAYS seem to share some funds?

Just asking. It's starting to seem to me that you're enjoying being a close-up spectator at the very least.[/QUOTE]Freckle you are taking this shit to personal. Crissee does a good job with the GFE and maybe too good in your case. You just need to remember what a wise man once said: I don't pay them to fuck me, I pay them to leave. There is nothing wrong with hanging with a working girl but don't be surprised when she Nexts ya.

[QUOTE=ItsTimeToEat;3313777]Freckle you are taking this shit to personal. Crissee does a good job with the GFE and maybe too good in your case. You just need to remember what a wise man once said: I don't pay them to fuck me, I pay them to leave. There is nothing wrong with hanging with a working girl but don't be surprised when she Nexts ya.[/QUOTE]I have learned there are two types of mongers. Those that pay them to leave and those that want more. A book can be written on the reasons for wanting more so I will leave it at that. I don't take what an addict does personally. I do believe in the goodness of humanity and I trust someone until I have the facts not to trust them. Crissee is not a sociopath like Star Baby in Louisville, she is just an addict, lost in her world of drugs and deception. I have many working girls as friends, some I play with some I don't. Why is explained below.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3313631]Hey Freckle. I've followed you for a while and have appreciated your input. I do find it curious how you wind up in so many situations like Crissee's etc. How does that happen? I mean, how do you get so involved in the lives of users / providers that you can share the details of their lives, and ALWAYS seem to share some funds? Just asking. It's starting to seem to me that you're enjoying being a close-up spectator at the very least.[/QUOTE]Some people who attend a sporting event want front row seats to talk to the players, hear all the conversations and see the details on the sidelines. That is their hobby. Mine is this hobby. You ask why? Well my therapist and I have been working on that for several months now and it comes down to my relationship needs. You see I like relationships where I am having an impact on another person. I'm a giver, a healer, someone who wants to help a person find the best in them. I put my heart out, sometimes too far, and try to have an impact. I was engaged to a woman who was once a provider and a recovering addict. I helped her get clean. I saved her life 3 times. She died suddenly last year from medical reasons mostly unrelated to her previous addiction. She died clean. When I first met her I saw something in her that was special. I helped her return to humanity so she could help others and she helped many addicts become clean.

I saw some of the similar things in Crissee that I saw in my deceased fiance. I have seen some similar things in other providers that have a problem with addiction and I have helped some become recovering addicts. Like any hobby, you win some and you lose some. The expenditure of funds are a part of the test, establishing trust, building a friendship. Crissee destroyed this trust, because as I know all too well, an active addict will lie, cheat, steal, deceive and do what ever is necessary to get their next fix. I thought I was developing this type of relationship with Crissee. It wasn't about sex, it was about helping someone who was crying out for help. Her cries for help were just part of her addict game. Once the pieces of the addiction puzzle were put together, I was done. Small loss in funds but worth the risk if she had actually wanted to change. She wasn't ready yet and may never be. She may end up like her father, an addict who ODs.

So why do I rant on about her? It's to warn others of her extreme ability to deceive. To keep others from falling into her trap of lies and deception. It's because of the principle of the trust I tried to establish with her that she broke so easily. I told her I didn't care what she did but just be honest and I will not judge. She knew that was my only rule. So I rant so she can read about her life and where it is going. Maybe someday she will choose to make a change.

What is interesting is for every good review she gets, I get two PM's from mongers on the board who have thanked me for exposing her addiction and true self. PM's telling me about their experience with her mostly bad. I don't want to see her as a statistic in some obituary. I think she has more to give to humanity if only she can make the choice to return. The real question is why do so many of you take the risks associated with seeing her with so many other good, reliable, clean providers in the area. Yes she is good in bed, but the risks of her type of addiction far out way the hour of her GFE experience. Why do some of you enable her addiction? I know why, it goes back to the beginning of this post, you pay her to leave. Well keep up with the reviews because her PO is very interested in them as well.

Your post was well written and composed all the way until you added the last sentence about the PO. It hints at exposing her and at the same time shows you are vindictive. Be safe up in Indy.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3314815]I have learned there are two types of mongers. Those that pay them to leave and those that want more. A book can be written on the reasons for wanting more so I will leave it at that. I don't take what an addict does personally. I do believe in the goodness of humanity and I trust someone until I have the facts not to trust them. Crissee is not a sociopath like Star Baby in Louisville, she is just an addict, lost in her world of drugs and deception. I have many working girls as friends, some I play with some I don't. Why is explained below.

Some people who attend a sporting event want front row seats to talk to the players, hear all the conversations and see the details on the sidelines. That is their hobby. Mine is this hobby. You ask why? Well my therapist and I have been working on that for several months now and it comes down to my relationship needs. You see I like relationships where I am having an impact on another person. I'm a giver, a healer, someone who wants to help a person find the best in them. I put my heart out, sometimes too far, and try to have an impact. [i]blah, blah blah[/i][/QUOTE]People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

[B]Ursula The Sea Witch[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19493-Ursula-The-Sea-Witch[/URL]

I'll end with this: Words like "giver" and "healer" aren't commonly applied for self-description. They are used by others to describe someone else.

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3315083]Soooo, with being a total noob with no prior posts, you were able to connect with one of, if not THE, most sought after ladies in the city?

Guess she's not screening very thoroughly.[/QUOTE]Dude, being a new poster doesn't mean you're a "noob. " For all we know he screens just fine but hasn't been a long time member here. If you don't want to believe him, that's fine. No need to chase off new people just because you want to be a dick.

[QUOTE=ItsTimeToEat;3315072]Your post was well written and composed all the way until you added the last sentence about the PO. It hints at exposing her and at the same time shows you are vindictive. Be safe up in Indy.[/QUOTE]AutumnSkyy was a provider in Indy. She was also a crack addict. One day she called me and said she was being evicted from the home she was living at and where I was staying with her. How could this be? I was giving her the money for the rent. I was paying for the utilities. I was paying for her cancer treatments. How could she be evicted? Well the landlord told me she hadn't paid rent for 2-1/2 months. That can't be true, I gave her the money for the rent. Well it was because she smoked the rent along with the money she was making as a provider. I left and said good luck and call me if you ever want to make a change. She moved in with another addict and I paid $100 wk on utility bills so she could stay there and have a roof over her head. I never gave her cash again. I then contacted all of her regulars and told them she was a active crack addict and suggested that if they had any heart at all they would stop seeing her and enabling her. Most of them stopped seeing her. Soon she had no money. 4 weeks later I got a call from her asking for my help. She was ready to find a rehab facility and get clean. She had finally hit rock bottom and made the choice to change. We researched rehab facilities and she got into one. She stayed there for 7 months and never used again.

So I guess by your assessment I would have been called vindictive because I cut her off, forced her back onto the streets, cut off her means to make funds all because of the thousands of dollars I spent on her? Nope, because that was the only way to get her to hit rock bottom and force her to change. And what a change it was. That woman became a spectacular human being and it's why I asked her to marry me.

So here is my quandary. Everyday I almost make the call, almost send the letter that is written, almost drive to Cincy and visit the PO. Well I guess I just let the cat out of the bag didn't I. The PO comment was for her because I knew you probably would tell her about it if she hadn't already read it on this board. Yah, your right, I'm vindictive over a couple of hundred dollars. Hell in fact she owes me nothing because I was privileged to meet her BF right out of prison. That in itself was worth the price of admission.

So let me ask you a question, would it be worth calling her PO if it saved her life? I personally think it would be worth a shot. When sober she is an incredible human being. I will be happy to PM you her PO's info so you can reach out and possibly save her life. Oh, I forgot, you can't do that, because her drugged out pussy is too cheap and too good to spoil your recreational time. You are one of those mongers who pays them to leave, which I have no problem with. In her case let's just hope your contribution doesn't contribute to her leaving this earth.

Be safe down in Cincy.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3315259]People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

[B]Ursula The Sea Witch[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19493-Ursula-The-Sea-Witch[/URL]

I'll end with this: Words like "giver" and "healer" aren't commonly applied for self-description. They are used by others to describe someone else.[/QUOTE]I am just a freckle freak and I have many faults. My deceased fiance called me "Save a HO". It was her joke because she knew me better than anyone. When any addict doesn't respond appropriately you have a choice, leave them to their own demise or follow a path to help them make the choice to change. Sometimes that includes being an asshole. Therapists call it "Tough Love". Crissee can choose a different path, I tried to help, but her addictive personality won out. So many always think it's about the money, money is just an object she is a person crying out for help but not able to make a change because she has a disease. I really felt I was making headway until the BF showed up. Then things changed and probably for a variety of reasons. I fill pages of the forums about many incidents of addicts and the choices they make. I do so because I think many mongers are kind of like Pavlov's dog. Doing it once doesn't get your conscience salivating. Only through repetitive posts and stories will some of you take notice and stop salivating over drug addicted pussy. I know there is a lot of pussy being sold strictly for the purpose of feeding their addiction. I can't help them all, only the ones that ask for it. Crissee asked for help, so I stepped in, that was my angle.

Ursula, Star Baby is a sociopath. There is no help for her. If you read the story carefully you will notice the sociopathic behaviors, which by the way have been completely confirmed by her family. I don't believe Crissee is a sociopath just someone with the disease of addiction.

I also will end with your ending. I didn't describe myself with those words, my therapist described me with those words. I was just repeating what someone, in fact how many people have described me. Sorry if I repeated what others have said.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3315655]Dude, being a new poster doesn't mean you're a "noob. " For all we know he screens just fine but hasn't been a long time member here. If you don't want to believe him, that's fine. No need to chase off new people just because you want to be a dick.[/QUOTE]I've never seen white knighting of a dude before. Didn't me to ruffle the bromance between you and Justme2345.

Watch your mouth, BTW.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3316019]AutumnSkyy was a provider in Indy. She was also a crack addict. One day she called me and said she was being evicted from the home she was living at and where I was staying with her. How could this be? I was giving her the money for the rent. I was paying for the utilities. I was paying for her cancer treatments. How could she be evicted? Well the landlord told me she hadn't paid rent for 2-1/2 months. That can't be true, I gave her the money for the rent. Well it was because she smoked the rent along with the money she was making as a provider. I left and said good luck and call me if you ever want to make a change. She moved in with another addict and I paid $100 wk on utility bills so she could stay there and have a roof over her head. I never gave her cash again. I then contacted all of her regulars and told them she was a active crack addict and suggested that if they had any heart at all they would stop seeing her and enabling her. Most of them stopped seeing her. Soon she had no money. 4 weeks later I got a call from her asking for my help. She was ready to find a rehab facility and get clean. She had finally hit rock bottom and made the choice to change. We researched rehab facilities and she got into one. She stayed there for 7 months and never used again.
[/QUOTE]Addicts do change until all of their sources of income to buy the drugs stop, then they need to leave the area they are in to get away from the dealers and mongers that enable them. The sad part of that is Crissee will never leave the area to get away from all the enablers and as long as pussy is cheap mongers will visit her because in the end they don't care if she lives or dies just that they get pussy for a cheap price while she is alive, then they will find someone else.

So Freckle while I think you have a good heart in regard to these girls, there are too many mongers who just want their body parts and don't give a rats ass about them personally, as long as that exists they will have money for drugs. An Addict like Crissee does more damage to peoples lives than they do to their own when they need to get high. In order to stay on the street she has ratted on others and was complicit in sending them to prison, there are stories from her family that she was the one that gave her dad the hot shot that finished him (I don't know that for a fact but members of her family thinks she did him in). As an addict she also does not give a shit about her clients, she has turned in tons of people to stay on the street.

So in the end Crissee will continue to do her thing and the mongers will continue to do their thing. Freckle you cannot solely change the life of an addict.

Yes she reads these comments and she does not care what they say, she will just have other mongers post glowing rebuttals in exchange for discounted pussy.

So the morale of all of this is you cannot change her nor can you change the mongers. Sorry brother, some things you just cannot fix, all you can do is stay away from the people like Crissee yourself and whatever path she takes and what ever consequence there is that's what will happen. That's the path I took, I cannot change what mongers see her and I cannot change the damage she does to people, but I can choose not to be in the path of either so it does not affect me.

LEO is constantly watching her because they know she is a addict and they want her dealers, remember in August they had watched from may on until they had the evidence In August. Don't be foolish to think they are not watching her even now. You don't have to call the PO just let time take care of the inevitable outcome.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=IslandDreams;3316439]Addicts do change until all of their sources of income to buy the drugs stop, then they need to leave the area they are in to get away from the dealers and mongers that enable them. The sad part of that is Crissee will never leave the area to get away from all the enablers and as long as pussy is cheap mongers will visit her because in the end they don't care if she lives or dies just that they get pussy for a cheap price while she is alive, then they will find someone else.

So Freckle while I think you have a good heart in regard to these girls, there are too many mongers who just want their body parts and don't give a rats ass about them personally, as long as that exists they will have money for drugs. An Addict like Crissee does more damage to peoples lives than they do to their own when they need to get high. In order to stay on the street she has ratted on others and was complicit in sending them to prison, there are stories from her family that she was the one that gave her dad the hot shot that finished him (I don't know that for a fact but members of her family thinks she did him in). As an addict she also does not give a shit about her clients, she has turned in tons of people to stay on the street.

So in the end Crissee will continue to do her thing and the mongers will continue to do their thing. Freckle you cannot solely change the life of an addict.

Yes she reads these comments and she does not care what they say, she will just have other mongers post glowing rebuttals in exchange for discounted pussy.

So the morale of all of this is you cannot change her nor can you change the mongers. Sorry brother, some things you just cannot fix, all you can do is stay away from the people like Crissee yourself and whatever path she takes and what ever consequence there is that's what will happen. That's the path I took, I cannot change what mongers see her and I cannot change the damage she does to people, but I can choose not to be in the path of either so it does not affect me.

LEO is constantly watching her because they know she is a addict and they want her dealers, remember in August they had watched from may on until they had the evidence In August. Don't be foolish to think they are not watching her even now. You don't have to call the PO just let time take care of the inevitable outcome.

Be safe.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty strong statement, saying mongers don't care whether someone lives or dies. I think it's more accurate to say most mongers understand that providers are going to do what they're going to do, and that no amount of White Knighting is going to change that. Also, I think most mongers understand that a number of providers associate with some pretty unsavory characters and that a fair number of providers are involved in illegal activities in addition to the hobby. As such, staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes.

I'm not trying to diss any providers here. I have found many of them to be likeable apart from the reason I'm seeing them. And in a way, they're honest in the sense that they have at least named their price, unlike your average woman in everyday life who keeps moving the goal post on guys.

As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3316564]That's a pretty strong statement, saying mongers don't care whether someone lives or dies. I think it's more accurate to say most mongers understand that providers are going to do what they're going to do, and that no amount of White Knighting is going to change that. Also, I think most mongers understand that a number of providers associate with some pretty unsavory characters and that a fair number of providers are involved in illegal activities in addition to the hobby. As such, staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes.

I'm not trying to diss any providers here. I have found many of them to be likeable apart from the reason I'm seeing them. And in a way, they're honest in the sense that they have at least named their price, unlike your average woman in everyday life who keeps moving the goal post on guys.

As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]It was too strong of a statement, I like the way you put it, it is more accurate than my statement. in the end you and I arrive at the same conclusion "staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes."

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3316309]I've never seen white knighting of a dude before. Didn't me to ruffle the bromance between you and Justme2345.

Watch your mouth, BTW.[/QUOTE]1. You don't know who the guy is.

2. You questioned her screening methods, without knowing anything about them. This board and senior status is not the end all, be all of screening. You need to learn there is more out there than this board.

3. You accused another member of a bromance with a guy that has posted once.

So, you ripped two guys and asserted that Brookee hadn't been screening properly, all without knowing a God damn thing about the situation.

The board needs a lot less of these posts without any thought that lead to rumors about providers and mongers.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316622]1. You don't know who the guy is.

2. You questioned her screening methods, without knowing anything about them. This board and senior status is not the end all, be all of screening. You need to learn there is more out there than this board.

3. You accused another member of a bromance with a guy that has posted once.

So, you ripped two guys and asserted that Brookee hadn't been screening properly, all without knowing a God damn thing about the situation.

The board needs a lot less of these posts without any thought that lead to rumors about providers and mongers.[/QUOTE]Dude referred to me as a dick. I didn't label anybody in a derogatory way. You have it all wrong I'm afraid.

That's your idea of 'ripping'? Lol

Rumors, about who? Most high quality providers wont see somebody unless they have senior staus or good references. Is that not fair to say? Sure there are exceptions. Stop acting as if a provider hasnt createda username and gave themselves a review before. Not saying thats the case here, but somebody with one post of one of the best providers is certainly suspect.


Imho of course

SincyCinnamon might have set a new record for wasting everybody's time checking on ads. She currently has 6 ads posted. Of course they have different fees as well. Why should we visit somebody this desperate or who just doesn't mind wasting our time?

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3316701]Dude referred to me as a dick. I didn't label anybody in a derogatory way. You have it all wrong I'm afraid.

That's your idea of 'ripping'? Lol

Rumors, about who? Most high quality providers wont see somebody unless they have senior staus or good references. Is that not fair to say? Sure there are exceptions. Stop acting as if a provider hasnt createda username and gave themselves a review before. Not saying thats the case here, but somebody with one post of one of the best providers is certainly suspect.


Imho of course[/QUOTE]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?

That since BP went tits up and the USA ads have been flooded with new women, that it seems the USA regular ladies have dropped out of the scene?

It almost makes a hobbyist want to find a new hobby!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3316019]AutumnSkyy was a provider in Indy. She was also a crack addict. One day she called me and said she was being evicted from the home she was living at and where I was staying with her. How could this be? I was giving her the money for the rent. I was paying for the utilities. I was paying for her cancer treatments. How could she be evicted? Well the landlord told me she hadn't paid rent for 2-1/2 months. That can't be true, I gave her the money for the rent. Well it was because she smoked the rent along with the money she was making as a provider. I left and said good luck and call me if you ever want to make a change. She moved in with another addict and I paid $100 wk on utility bills so she could stay there and have a roof over her head. I never gave her cash again. I then contacted all of her regulars and told them she was a active crack addict and suggested that if they had any heart at all they would stop seeing her and enabling her. Most of them stopped seeing her. Soon she had no money. 4 weeks later I got a call from her asking for my help. She was ready to find a rehab facility and get clean. She had finally hit rock bottom and made the choice to change. We researched rehab facilities and she got into one. She stayed there for 7 months and never used again..[/QUOTE]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316757]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?[/QUOTE]I'm not into high school like drama. Sorry. You'll have to look elsewhere for somebody to entertain you.

Recess is over.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316757]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?[/QUOTE]I will not comment on Brooke's screening process, but I will say sometime a telephone call will get you a lot further than a text message. I've called and chatted with several providers and was able to acquire appointments without an extensive vetting process and all the while reading about guys talking about the vetting process they endured. Perhaps, the young man just has charisma and woo his way an appointment.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3316564]As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]I like freckles and finding someone with great freckles who can fuck and suck me like no other, well that's something that isn't 100% pure. Yet then again maybe it is, because it's pure pleasure!

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3317306]I'm not into high school like drama. Sorry. You'll have to look elsewhere for somebody to entertain you.

Recess is over.[/QUOTE]I didn't think you would be able to explain yourself. Thanks for confirming that. LOL.

[QUOTE=Eajry;3317225]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.[/QUOTE]Well said!!

I'll white knight. I counted 3, with one price discrepancy.

Cite your source for 6 with different fees, if you please.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;3316706]SincyCinnamon might have set a new record for wasting everybody's time checking on ads. She currently has 6 ads posted. Of course they have different fees as well. Why should we visit somebody this desperate or who just doesn't mind wasting our time?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3316995]That since BP went tits up and the USA ads have been flooded with new women, that it seems the USA regular ladies have dropped out of the scene?

It almost makes a hobbyist want to find a new hobby![/QUOTE]But I don't think the demise of BP necessarily caused USA ladies to leave. Some of the departed USA ladies had been around a while and may have been looking to cut back or get out of the hobby anyway.

I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3318955]But I don't think the demise of BP necessarily caused USA ladies to leave. Some of the departed USA ladies had been around a while and may have been looking to cut back or get out of the hobby anyway.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that there is a pretty steady turnover of providers, aside from BP getting curtailed.

Alaska Tom.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you have learned this by now but I always text shortly beforehand to say if agreed time is still ok. If I don't get a response within a certain amount of time I will bail. I also don't travel more than a half an hour tona provider. Some of youndo so you may have other suggestions.

As for your specific situation, I kind of had a similar experience with her recently. Appointment with as at 9, said she slept late and was in the shower. Had to wait until 9:30. Almost left when she said she was ready. Was I annoyed? Yes but for some I can let it slide because her skills are top notch.

I always get a confirmation text before leaving g wherever I'm at. As for text vs calling. Texting is the norm. A lot of the ladies don't have a burner phone but rather use a text app like text now.

The lady you mentioned is fantastic. I saw her once and had a toe curling experience. We were set up for a second session days later and she became the invisible woman. Sounds like that is her norm. She later text to tell me of her problem and why she had stood me up. I thanked her for her call and told her I wouldn't see her again. That was a couple years ago.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]You have to understand, these girls aren't exactly running professional businesses. If most of them could operate in a responsible manner, they would not be doing this for a living. You have to be on top of your game with them.

If you are driving more than an hour to see someone, you absolutely should check before you get on the road. Hell I text when I'm leaving the house before I see a girl 10 minutes away.

I've had almost zero success with trying to schedule a day or more in advance. My best tactic has always been to just ask if they are available that morning. At least then you know they are awake and responding. These girls get dozens of calls and texts. They don't have secretaries. They don't have day planners. They make all sorts of mistakes.

You can't think of this as a regular business. You can keep getting mad because they don't have the same professional manner as your dentist, or you can change your approach and actually manage to see the girl.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]This is normal for her. I have seen her 2 times first when she was UTR and again after she started posting. Tried a couple times after that and got the run around. As others have said always get a confirmation before leaving. If you are traveling very far always have a couple other providers numbers in the same area so its not a total loss even if they were not your first choice.

[QUOTE=Eajry;3317225]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.[/QUOTE]I read this post and thought, wow this is a good analogy of some aspects of my life. It was well written, intellectual with some truly insightful thoughts and comments. It made me step back and think to the point that I discussed it with a very good monger friend of mine who knows me very well. His comment about it was. "That from an outsiders viewpoint, someone who would read a few of your posts, that would be the normal conclusion of the average reader. However they don't know you like I do and they don't know what you have been through or had to deal with over the past few years. They don't know where your heart truly is".

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

We both reached the same conclusion that it's very possible that this post and her text had some very similar verbiage. A similar analogy. It was also interesting that the monger that posted this has only two other posts in the past two weeks in the mongers in search or thread. Both of those posts could have been a provider inquiry looking for a partner for duos. That being said I really don't know if this is a long time lurker with new posts or Crissee. It really doesn't make any difference either way because the intellect behind the post is good and Crissee has a very intellectual side when she want's use it.

So my short answer to the post is thank you for your insight. Yes I am involved in other organizations that help addicts. I am a long time member of NA and Nar-Anon as well as other organizations that work with addicts in many ways. I find it fulfilling. I try not to see addicts, but as we all know, sometimes it's difficult to determine that until you meet them. When I discover they are addicts, I stop seeing them. However, even then addicts, like Crissee, are great liars and deception is paramount. The key here is am I like the Tinder example. I do play the "Good Guy" however when I get a match and I don't get a response, I move on. The reason is because it's only a simple inquiry, nothing more. Why get pissed at someone you know nothing about. Crissee however, was not an inquiry, when sober, she showed me a side of her that gave me hope that she was on the path to regaining her humanity. That in itself is worth the fight, the posts, the embarrassment of myself on this board. I have nothing to lose but my reputation and that would only be with those that don't truly know me. Yet she has everything to gain if something good, something clean, something positive results from my behavior.

So whether the above post is Crissee or a monger named Eajry. Thank you for the insight it was a pleasure to interact with your intellect.