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Crutch,
Thanks. It all comes from good, clean living!:D
Dirty.
[QUOTE=Crutch;1664627]Damn! I have never and I mean NEVER had such good luck in AMP. Good on ya.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1665098]Crutch,
Thanks. It all comes from good, clean living.
Dirty.[/QUOTE]Hey, Dirty, how much was the damage for such good service. I hope she is like the other Coco and price is reasonable.
Thanks,
Floats
Hi. I am new and wanted to get some feedback. I recently went to AMP for first time. Used my CC (dumb). HJ led to HE. Went home feeling dandy.
Ever since my brain has been going crazy running over all the nefarious scenarios that could have resulted from my first trip and I'm scared. I think my biggest concern is that I didn't pay attention to what happened to the load after the HE. Kleenex were used to clean.
My biggest fear is some extreme scam whereby my load is tied to me by way of CC and is used against me to the tune of 18 years if you understand?
Please someone tell me I am the most paranoid person you've ever met. If others have a lot of experience with this, can you tell me a number of reasons why I shouldn't worry about this? (Please don't tell me reasons that I should.) I went to an established place that seems to have been mentioned on this forum since at least '04 so I'm hoping that type of stability is a good sign.
Obviously I'm a paranoid person. I am really hating myself right now for what should have been a relaxing time.
Thank you bros for any wise words. If I feel consoled I'll share the dream. It was nice other than the aftermath of my brain working overtime.
Float,
Check your PM's.
Dirty.
[QUOTE=FloatMyBoat; 1665142]Hey, Dirty, how much was the damage for such good service. I hope she is like the other Coco and price is reasonable.
Thanks,
Floats[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pnoid;1665177]Hi. I am new and wanted to get some feedback. I recently went to AMP for first time. Used my CC (dumb). HJ led to HE. Went home feeling dandy.[/QUOTE]In the last 10 years with all the big busts I do not recall one case of any only a customer getting arrested. And if did, it would only be a misdemeanor (15 days in Tent City on 1st offense) not a felony with potentially long prison terms the massage gals face.
The only exception was in the DD case with the group that got discounts for good reviews etc, the wonderful photo guy and the accountant.
The DNA evidence is probably in a waste dump under ground (landfill) by now.
Police can get credit card records if a place is busted (about 200 pages worth from Backpage with the Temple Bust) but no clients charged. Other than self admission (you can take the 5th) or a gal testifying against you as part of a plea deal, didn't you simply pay for 1 hour of massage? Nothing illegal about that unless they can prove you solicited her for sex for a fee.
Very easy to get ignorant massage gals to say the wrong thing the way the situation is set up but has far as I know never a customer charged.
It is easy to charge criminal enterprise felony against the massage person but not a customer. Further the statute of limitations is only 1-year for a misdemeanor vs much longer (6-7) for a felony. By the time a massage place is busted, and get to the point of plea deals it is probably already a year later as we see in most recent cases.
P,
Yea, I think you are the most paranoid (your ID fits) person I've ever read here on the boards.
I've done this for well over 30 years and believe me, as soon as the "load" is there the provider is going to get rid of it ASAP (along with the condom, if one was used). They don't want that type of "evidence" lying around.
As far as using a CC for payment, yea that was dumb. Leaving a paper trail is one thing, but using your CC at the wrong place could lead to idenity theft also. ALWAYS pay cash!
If you are going to try this again, here are a few tips that I've posted here on the board before for you newbies. Either learn from them and go enjoy the hobby, or erase this hobby from your mind and go write your sermon for Sunday. :D
Lotsa Luck,
Dirty.
1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need cash. DO NOT pay with a credit card. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.
2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.
3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times, ' have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.
3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.
3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!
3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.
3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.
4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.
5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.
Generally you will find that Asian massage parlors are very honest, and you don't have to be as careful with your possessions as with 'other' massage parlor providers. Not trying to be racist here, but my experience (after 25+ years) in this hobby proves that to be true.
6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.
7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. If there is a shower, go take one, if there isn't then make sure you comment somehow about recently taking one. You want the provider to be comfortable with you that you are clean. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.
Revision 1: A mamasan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.
8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.
9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.
10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.
11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.
12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.
13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.
14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.
15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.
16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.
17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.
18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage happened. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.
19) Look for signs that will help you find the kind of service you want. Any place advertising latina and Asian generally will be FS, the latina's are generally independent providers who find FS joints for money. Thai places are mostly hot young girls probably in college who are looking for a green card or ' daddy', and Thai places do not generally provide FS. HE's and BJ's usually are the most you can expect in Thai spots.
20) If you don't like the provider ask for someone else. Your experience will be much better by having a provider that is to your liking service you.
21) If she comes in dressed like its a Friday night your almost assuredly at a FS spot.
This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from other hobby mongers. If you have some additional helpful hints, please add them to the list. It will help all of us who are in the 'hobby'.
[QUOTE=Pnoid; 1665177]Hi. I am new and wanted to get some feedback. I recently went to AMP for first time. Used my CC (dumb). HJ led to HE. Went home feeling dandy.
Ever since my brain has been going crazy running over all the nefarious scenarios that could have resulted from my first trip and I'm scared. I think my biggest concern is that I didn't pay attention to what happened to the load after the HE. Kleenex were used to clean.
My biggest fear is some extreme scam whereby my load is tied to me by way of CC and is used against me to the tune of 18 years if you understand?
Please someone tell me I am the most paranoid person you've ever met. If others have a lot of experience with this, can you tell me a number of reasons why I shouldn't worry about this? (Please don't tell me reasons that I should.) I went to an established place that seems to have been mentioned on this forum since at least '04 so I'm hoping that type of stability is a good sign.
Obviously I'm a paranoid person. I am really hating myself right now for what should have been a relaxing time.
Thank you bros for any wise words. If I feel consoled I'll share the dream. It was nice other than the aftermath of my brain working overtime.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1665098]Crutch,
Thanks. It all comes from good, clean living.
Dirty.[/QUOTE]Well, gee whiz, I wish you'd have mentioned that sooner. Obviously that's been my problem. LOL.
I just wanted to thank-you Dirty I had q good session with Coco, she popped all my disc back in placed. I am now pain free. I can't that type of service from my chiropractor.
Night,
Glad she did a good job for you.
Dirty.
[QUOTE=Night Flh;1670609]I just wanted to thank-you Dirty I had q good session with Coco, she popped all my disc back in placed. I am now pain free. I can't that type of service from my chiropractor.[/QUOTE]
Its been over six months since I last visited.
I would stop in if Cindy would see me, but I got the feeling she wants us to support the girls who come in for her. If anyone knows a special time or method to get Cindy please pm me.
Otherwise I'd visit for soda, but not interested enough to visit again for what they've had.
Thanks,
HB
I haven't seen any new talent in the past few months. I keep seeing June who has a few reviews on here. She's a pleaser, but the massage doesn't do it for me (although she tries hard).
I've been one of her regulars for quite a while now, though not so much since she switched to outcall.
Occasionally though, she has an incall location and she knows to get in touch with me when she does.
To start with, she's a latina, and on "the larger" size since she had kids, Given that I'm bigger (workin on it) I'm not throwing stones. So if that's not your thing then pass. Or don't pass, because she gives an awesome massage. You are free to "roam and explore" while she's working on you and she's really responsive.
Fwiw, I usually go for the 2 hours.
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She's an amazing gal so treat her well and respectfully.
I just saw her a couple weeks ago (had computer problems so couldn't log in until this morning) and the fun time was again amazing.
As always, have fun and stay safe.
Hey guys, I know I am not the only guy that has tried this place, but I always get Coco, not the one at 51 and olive or at Tokyo, but other Coco. The other good looking girl is always busy. This place is near the Avalon Spa that I used to go to but don't anymore because of the owner jumps all of us for our posts.
Anyway if anyone has any good new on the other girl at enjoy massage just send me a private message.
Hey Dirty, maybe you can help. I know I have given you some good info.
Thanks, Floats
Float,
Yea, we've traded a few good tips over the last semester or two.
I have not been to Enjoy (at least I don't think I have). I HAVE been to Ming Zhi AMP at 51st. Ave. And Northern. Ming Zhi is in a large strip mall on the NW corner. I posted about a visit there, and about my provider Marina, a week or so ago. Is this the same place as Enjoy? I did not see that name anywhere on the front of the shop, just Ming Zhi printed on the front window.
Dirty.
[QUOTE=FloatMyBoat; 1673303]Hey guys, I know I am not the only guy that has tried this place, but I always get Coco, not the one at 51 and olive or at Tokyo, but other Coco. The other good looking girl is always busy. This place is near the Avalon Spa that I used to go to but don't anymore because of the owner jumps all of us for our posts.
Anyway if anyone has any good new on the other girl at enjoy massage just send me a private message.
Hey Dirty, maybe you can help. I know I have given you some good info.
Thanks, Floats[/QUOTE]