Massage Parlor Reports

For me the massage is the primary driver. If I get extras then I am happy right away. If I don't get extras then my wife and I are both happy when I get home.

[QUOTE=Itsart;1445604]I meant to add for someone to enjoy my methods you have to concede that there is value in a legit massage and any extras are gravy. I am sure I would get a couple of massages a week if I had never had any extras. For many the extras are the primary driver and the massage is gravy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cocknballs;1445733]I agree with the value of a legit masage (the Holy Grail of course is a hottie with excellent technique, and who will hand out extras for you). And I've also had limited success with "legit only" girls. But over a year with Missy? Dude. My guess is Hong will be a dead end as well. Not trying to bust your chops, but you obviously have more patience than me. Using your earlier bar analogy, if there's no progress by the 3rd or especially the 4th visit, I cut my losses and move on. Plenty of girls out there (and you're right, not just in the AMP's).[/QUOTE]You are right I am probably way to patient and and stupid about how I go about all this. Believe me I know there are easier and cheaper ways to score with very hot Asian girls. I have never seen anyone as long as I did Missy without success and was always hopeful it was right around the corner. If I did not think the massage and time without any extras were worth the money obviously I would have moved on long ago. When you mention no chance at a place like Hong I would agree unless you get them out of the shop. Many of these girls are asked out on a daily bases and turn most of us down initially. But they often have very lonley lives. It's the patience that pays off, take them to dinner after 10pm a couple of times and things start to get more interesting.

[QUOTE=Rod8432; 1445513]I agree with the premise of your comment, and would say it applies to nearly every free-market situation I can think of where those wishing to pay lower prices feel frustrated by those willing to pay more to get less. Certainly that's working in this case, and yes, if I were an AMP provider and thought I could make decent money by stringing guys along with a tease, I'd do it. Why put out more than I have to?

As to whether it's good or bad, I think it's really neutral or perhaps not relevant, because trying to cajole or urge consumers not to exercise their perception of value never works. We, as a freely purchasing and non-organized consumer group, are like water in a vessel. The price / service equation will find its natural level. There will always be those for whom the lesser value offering (ie, the tease) is worth it (our friend Itsart) and those for whom it's a complete waste of time and money.

But that goes for every other item of value. Every time someone pays an exorbitant price for a sports or music ticket, it makes it just that much harder for me to see the same event for what I consider to be fair and reasonable price. Want to ding those people across the noggin for spending so much, because in my mind, it sends the wrong message. But then, so it goes with everything, hotel rooms at crowded venues, flowers during Valentine's day, airfares over Thanksgiving, ad nauseum.

In the end though, I realize I also enjoy the fruits of this free market situation. The comparatively lower prices I can score if I'm willing to not go with the herd. Therefore, I travel on "shoulder" months, eat out on Wednesday nights, and fly overseas for legal sex options that most guys won't do. It's a matter of perspective. While I acknowledge the pressure on prices that Itsart's action cause for the rest of us, I can't say he's wrong for deciding the value proposition is appropriate for him. No more than I'd want him doing that to me for spending more than he would on some items I find more valuable than he.[/QUOTE]I'm not quite the cerebral economist as you. But for the record, it is not now, nor ever has been, my intention to "cajole or urge" mongers not to proceed in any manner other than which they are comfortable. I do not appreciate the implication you are implying that I said. I agree and have posted many times here, it is each person's money and their decision on how they choose to spend their money. But thank you for the lecture in economics. And when you start visiting AMPs here then I will be interested in your approach as well.

[QUOTE=Itsart;1445604]I meant to add for someone to enjoy my methods you have to concede that there is value in a legit massage and any extras are gravy. I am sure I would get a couple of massages a week if I had never had any extras. For many the extras are the primary driver and the massage is gravy.[/QUOTE]I know that you don't know me and I have no idea how long you have lurked, but I sense there may be a misunderstanding here. I get regular legit massages. I try for weekly massages, but sometimes I miss a week. But, where we differ is that I don't try or care about the extras when I am going for the legit. If it happens, it does so with little or no urging from me. Your approach seems to be geared towards long term goal of FS whilst getting legit massages over an extended period of time. I separate the two.

Also, you said you
"find great enjoyment in finally getting the "I never do that" girl to want me as much as I want her. This has led to knowing several girls that I enjoyed long term full service relationships with at no cost beyond the 20 dollar tip normally paid for a legit massage."

Addtionally. you also said you were not interested in getting extras from a girl that offer them for $50 (usually $40 BTW.) As for this being better for your heath and marriage. Nope, I'll buy and appreciate the former, but that latter dog doesn't hunt. I have just never known heard of anyone investing that much energy in picking up ladies for an encounter in an AMP. It just surprises me.

But you did sum up nicely one of the things I was trying to ultimately understand. "for many the extras are the primary driver and the massage is gravy." To rephrase, I am curious if others that participate in AMPs here share that feeling or if they separate out the legit massage vs an experience that includes massage with extras. On this forum I always assumed it was the latter, but maybe I am wrong?

I will get off this because I think ultimately I am either going to piss people off or get pissed off. Shame too, because it strikes me as a topic worth discussing.

[QUOTE=Matt Reynolds;1445571]I am similar to you in that a big part of the fun of the experience is the chase and not being sure what is available. Leads to a lot of frustration at times but also a hell of a lot of fun at others. Anyhow, how would you say Amy rates in the looks department?[/QUOTE]Nobody will be seeing Amy because she is a beautiful. Very tall and slender, maybe 40 years old but She is certainly not ugly.

[QUOTE=AMP Fme; 1445791]I know that you don't know me and I have no idea how long you have lurked, but I sense there may be a misunderstanding here. I get regular legit massages. I try for weekly massages, but sometimes I miss a week. But, where we differ is that I don't try or care about the extras when I am going for the legit. If it happens, it does so with little or no urging from me. Your approach seems to be geared towards long term goal of FS whilst getting legit massages over an extended period of time. I separate the two.

Also, you said you.

"find great enjoyment in finally getting the "I never do that" girl to want me as much as I want her. This has led to knowing several girls that I enjoyed long term full service relationships with at no cost beyond the 20 dollar tip normally paid for a legit massage."

Addtionally. You also said you were not interested in getting extras from a girl that offer them for $50 (usually $40 BTW.) As for this being better for your heath and marriage. Nope, I'll buy and appreciate the former, but that latter dog doesn't hunt. I have just never known heard of anyone investing that much energy in picking up ladies for an encounter in an AMP. It just surprises me.

But you did sum up nicely one of the things I was trying to ultimately understand."for many the extras are the primary driver and the massage is gravy." To rephrase, I am curious if others that participate in AMPs here share that feeling or if they separate out the legit massage vs an experience that includes massage with extras. On this forum I always assumed it was the latter, but maybe I am wrong?

I will get off this because I think ultimately I am either going to piss people off or get pissed off. Shame too, because it strikes me as a topic worth discussing.[/QUOTE]You may have explained my goals better than I did. My goal is to turn a legit massage into much more at no additional cost over an extended period of time. It takes me a while to find someone I am interested in investing that sort of time on and then it takes even longer to get them to cooperate. I am absolutely sure that is not the purpose of this forum as I have been a long time lurker.

[QUOTE=Amp Fme;1445784]I'm not quite the cerebral economist as you. But for the record, it is not now, nor ever has been, my intention to "cajole or urge" mongers not to proceed in any manner other than which they are comfortable. I do not appreciate the implication you are implying that I said. I agree and have posted many times here, it is each person's money and their decision on how they choose to spend their money. But thank you for the lecture in economics. And when you start visiting AMPs here then I will be interested in your approach as well.[/QUOTE]Hey, no offense intended. You asked for what others think, and that's what your post made me think.

I've read many times on this board and others like it when fellow mongers DO scold others for spending too much, suggesting they're driving prices up for the rest of us. I'm not saying you did, and you were very careful to stay away from any implication you were. In any case, I'm always left with the impression of hey, to each his own. After reading Itsart's follow-on posts, it's clear he likes the chase. And for his circumstances, I guess it makes sense.

But I'm with you, at least I think I am. I don't find the chase to be of any value at all. I hate the wink and nod, the implications of service that never happens, and the stupid haggling. I've been there many times. If people are paying for that and thereby "rewarding" AMP providers for that behavior, I hate to see it happen from my personal viewpoint.

Regarding AMP visits, I've stopped going after Maia closed, preferring to stick with strip club VIPs. Maia was the best though, and I was spoiled. I have been thinking, however, of making a return trip to the re-branded Doshi ever since I've read a positive review or two on it. Once there, I suspect my approach is like most mongers here. I'll pay my $60 house fee and get my steam room, TS, and basic massage. Then I'll negotiate on the flip for whatever I feel like I want, and based on how frisky and cute the masseuse happens to be. I'll generally pay $40-$60 addnl for a nude HJ, $80 for nude BJ, and $120 for FS. From what I can tell, that's fairly middle-of-the-road.

When I go, I'll be sure to add to the reviews.

[QUOTE=Cocknballs;1445531]Thanks for the report Fengzi (BTW, wth does Fengzi mean?). Anyway, how often have you had hits at H? I always had misses there and haven't been in quite a while. And I don't recall any reports of hits there either, so let me know if I missed something. I'd love to hear extras are avail there as it's a good location for me.[/QUOTE]Fengzi is Chinese for "crazy." By hit or miss, I meant the quality of the therapeutic massage only. That's all I wanted at H-Massage. Sometimes it is not so good, sometimes ok. The one I got was just mediocre at best.

Chi Massage got busted tonight around 7:15 pm. Gwinnett's finest had an undercover inside, then later an officer in riot gear, a ski mask and dark glasses came storming in and rattled cages. Mongers had identification checked and then were released. At least one of the two masseuses was arrested. Guess we'll have to peruse Gwinnett mug shots for her face and name.

[QUOTE=Jimmia;1445342]Went to pileo today in s springs after seeing it mentioned here. What a let down."yuki" said she had been there 4 years, talked wayyyy to much during the massage, covered me on the flip and when I removed the towell at the end and said what about the little guy she said nope don't do that. Went to elite instead and scored a HE with what is becoming a sure thing. Yuki was very small,"be" looking bolt ons and she looked near 40 perhaps. Not a bad spinner look but looks didn't do much. She said they don't advertise because they get plenty of regulars. I am wondering who the hell the regulars are that go back again and again. Anyone ever get better service than this? Damage massage only was 60 bucks to house.[/QUOTE]Pileo stinks as you found out. A couple years ago, FS was the norm but I suspect LE raids have scared them. They do get an occasional new girl who will do FS but it's rare.

[QUOTE=Asiansensation; 1445691]There is a lot. Across from Barnacles and Purple rain is one.

Another is across from Toyota dealership. There's probably 10 more.[/QUOTE]Have you been to either of those? If so, details please!

[QUOTE=Itsart; 1444996]I have been roaming Atlanta for years and enjoying reports here for a long time but have never contributed. Its a slow day so I thought I would add a little to the discussion. I look for great sexy massages as the first criteria in selecting providers. If a HE can be cajoled its a good thing but I like the game of talking the reluctant into helping me out much more than the eager beaver who is only too happy to shake hands the day we meet. I have worked hot AMPs for as long as a year and find great enjoyment in finally getting the "I never do that" girl to want me as much as I want her. This has led to knowing several girls that I enjoyed long term full service relationships with at no cost beyond the 20 dollar tip normally paid for a legit massage. So bottom line I prowl legit asian massage places looking for someone I enjoy time with, hoping her lonely life of 13 hours a day in the shop will lead to her breaking her own rules. My initial report is about my current wonderings as a have no active "friend" at the time. The past week.

Magic Hands Buford Highway.

The is not in my definition as a pure legit provider but was part of my week. I had my 3rd massage with Amy who provided an excellent massage and is always anxious to touch me (and anybody else who ask I am sure) anywhere I wish. Have not requested a HE but am sure it is there for the taking. I see her for a great sexy massage.

Hong Massage Jimmy Carter.

My third massage with Sarah who is a beautiful 29 year old who at this point has shown no interest in befriending a 50+ guy but I am hoping this will change. Great massage, not very sensual, but she is exactly the type I have had success with in the past and I am starting to sense a connection. Once again it is the chase along with good massages that keeps me coming back and I have the familiar feeling that I am in the ball game even if she doesn't know it yet.

Missy's Retreat Peachtree Industrial Duluth.

I have been working on Missy for over a year and probably a couple of thousand dollars in two hour massages but have made little headway. She gives a very sensual massage but has yet to cross the line with even a caring hand grabbing the Louisville slugger. I keep going back because her body is smoking hot, I enjoy listening to her talk, I like the massages and keep thinking I have a chance but in my experience extras are not there for the taking. (and lately after several denied request I offered well over $200 tip just to see if she would bite because I know her business is down, but got her usual I don't do that for anybody) I know everybody has different results with different people but that is one fine ass I am afraid this hobbyist will never see. I think I need to get over my growing lust for the unattainable and work on other possibilities.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Personally, I would have dropped Missy a long time ago regarding getting a HE. Some guys claim to have gotten one from her but most do not. Good luck with Hong and hope you get something. I think you'll be the first. Do you know if any other girls at Magic Hands offers extras besides Amy?

[QUOTE=Rod8432; 1445815]Hey, no offense intended. You asked for what others think, and that's what your post made me think.

I've read many times on this board and others like it when fellow mongers DO scold others for spending too much, suggesting they're driving prices up for the rest of us. I'm not saying you did, and you were very careful to stay away from any implication you were. In any case, I'm always left with the impression of hey, to each his own. After reading Itsart's follow-on posts, it's clear he likes the chase. And for his circumstances, I guess it makes sense.

But I'm with you, at least I think I am. I don't find the chase to be of any value at all. I hate the wink and nod, the implications of service that never happens, and the stupid haggling. I've been there many times. If people are paying for that and thereby "rewarding" AMP providers for that behavior, I hate to see it happen from my personal viewpoint.

Regarding AMP visits, I've stopped going after Maia closed, preferring to stick with strip club VIPs. Maia was the best though, and I was spoiled. I have been thinking, however, of making a return trip to the re-branded Doshi ever since I've read a positive review or two on it. Once there, I suspect my approach is like most mongers here. I'll pay my $60 house fee and get my steam room, TS, and basic massage. Then I'll negotiate on the flip for whatever I feel like I want, and based on how frisky and cute the masseuse happens to be. I'll generally pay $40-$60 addnl for a nude HJ, $80 for nude BJ, and $120 for FS. From what I can tell, that's fairly middle-of-the-road.

When I go, I'll be sure to add to the reviews.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. FWIW, I think you will be disappointed in Doshi. Suggest Golden Touch or perhaps K-Spa as both have gotten recent good reviews. (both are searchable on BP.)

[QUOTE=Beldaws; 1445716]Did you go to the one on Cobb parkway at 285 or the one at Barrett parkway and 41?

The one at 285 does not seem to provide extras. If you went to Barrett parkway and didn't get a HE then that is unusual.[/QUOTE]I went to the one on Barrett. It was late afternoon between 4-5pm. Got a lady that looked high 30's low 40's. She wasn't to much of a looker anyways so not a huge disappointment but seeing as those it is basically in my backyard it would be nice to know of there is a provider there who does indeed offer a HE.

[QUOTE=Rod8432; 1445815]Hey, no offense intended. You asked for what others think, and that's what your post made me think.

I've read many times on this board and others like it when fellow mongers DO scold others for spending too much, suggesting they're driving prices up for the rest of us. I'm not saying you did, and you were very careful to stay away from any implication you were. In any case, I'm always left with the impression of hey, to each his own. After reading Itsart's follow-on posts, it's clear he likes the chase. And for his circumstances, I guess it makes sense.

But I'm with you, at least I think I am. I don't find the chase to be of any value at all. I hate the wink and nod, the implications of service that never happens, and the stupid haggling. I've been there many times. If people are paying for that and thereby "rewarding" AMP providers for that behavior, I hate to see it happen from my personal viewpoint.

Regarding AMP visits, I've stopped going after Maia closed, preferring to stick with strip club VIPs. Maia was the best though, and I was spoiled. I have been thinking, however, of making a return trip to the re-branded Doshi ever since I've read a positive review or two on it. Once there, I suspect my approach is like most mongers here. I'll pay my $60 house fee and get my steam room, TS, and basic massage. Then I'll negotiate on the flip for whatever I feel like I want, and based on how frisky and cute the masseuse happens to be. I'll generally pay $40-$60 addnl for a nude HJ, $80 for nude BJ, and $120 for FS. From what I can tell, that's fairly middle-of-the-road.

When I go, I'll be sure to add to the reviews.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with AMP Fme, you're probably going to be disappointed with Doshi. It's not even close to what one would find at the old Maia. I would only stop in if I were driving by. No need to make a special trip. IMO, Golden Touch is probably on par with the old Maia.

Having been reading about the facilities at Golden Touch and decided to give it a try. It took a minute to find it, GPS turned me around a couple of times and its not the best location or best looking from the outside. But everyone was right, it was one of the nicest I have even been to on the inside. Big spacious room, nice clean shower room. Was greeted by the Mamasan with a hug and taken to a room way in the back."I bring you nice girl". A few minutes later, in walked Ethel. I know right, how the hell did she come up with that name? She had me chuckle when she told me her name, so I guess its a good marketing ploy to remember it. She said she just came here from Tampa. Long hair, B cup and great personality. She likes to say your name alot and loves to say "cool beans" She also has this little cartoon voice she pulls out every once in a while followed by a giggle. Best table shower I have had in a long time. Well since the last one I had at Peachtree Spa was done by a 60+ mamasan who acted like she was shucking corn, it had to be better, but this one was actually very good. Back to the room, the massage started with powder instead of oil. It was light touch and she likes to use her hair to massage your back and blow on the boys for effect. It worked. I usually do not go for the full monty like a lot of guys do, so our session was perfect for what I was looking for. Not sure what all is on the menu. The other thing I liked is that after I was done and there was some time left, she got me back on my stomach, did some back walking and a decent massage. I will definitely be back to see her. Cool Beans.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1445946]Nice report. Personally, I would have dropped Missy a long time ago regarding getting a HE. Some guys claim to have gotten one from her but most do not. Good luck with Hong and hope you get something. I think you'll be the first. Do you know if any other girls at Magic Hands offers extras besides Amy?[/QUOTE]Only other girl I know there is Angel, good massage technique, L6-7, and encourages DIY (not my cup of tea). No Xtras.

[QUOTE=Amp Fme;1445997]Fair enough. FWIW, I think you will be disappointed in Doshi. Suggest Golden Touch or perhaps K-Spa as both have gotten recent good reviews. (both are searchable on BP.)[/QUOTE]Thanks. After reading Vette78Man's review of Golden Touch, plus yours and Niteluvr's further recommendation, that sounds like the place to go. I'm bummed about Doshi, though. I have many fond memories of how good Maia was. Julie and Pink were among my favorite masseuses there, and the TS was out of this world. That alone was worth the price of admission. It was a half-hour of steam, brown sugar crystal scrubbing, and slippery B2B heaven. Total pampering like I've not seen anywhere else.

I still may go to Doshi just to check it out for myself, but will really be interested in seeing how Golden Touch is these days.

Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=NotParticular;1446156]Only other girl I know there is Angel, good massage technique, L6-7, and encourages DIY (not my cup of tea). No Xtras.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly, she's the one with the nice tits. Not only could I not get a HJ, DIY was discouraged as well. Apparently you have the charm.

After seeing the good reviews recently I decided to try them out today. Wasn't expecting much since I haven't had a good experience at an AMP since I moved here not long ago and maybe that is part of the reason I was so blown away.

Mamasan led me to the room and I told her I wanted a younger girl since so far up here they end up being 40+ and really not attractive for their age.

Got comfortable and was led to sauna by mamasan. A few minutes later in walks Jessica and I was completely taken off guard by her good looks. Nice slim waist with nice sized chest and a tight ass about an 8. 5 or a 9 in all.

Decent ts pretty minimal touching to the boys. Went back to the room and started a pretty good massage. Kept me covered the entire time and I was almost starting to think nothing special was to happen until she started grinding on my back and ass.

On the flip She named 1. 5 for FS and before I could answer she changed to 1. 4. Don't know why but I wasn't going to argue either way.

She really seemed to get into things. Even though I could tell I was hurting her at some points (small girl) , she took it like a pro and god was it tight.

Afterwards she lay beside me for about 15 mins touching and kissing then got the hot towels.

Again, its been a long while since I had even a decent AMP experience so based on this trip I doubt ill try anywhere else for a good while. Highly, highly recommend.

[QUOTE=Itsart;1445768]You are right I am probably way to patient and and stupid about how I go about all this. Believe me I know there are easier and cheaper ways to score with very hot Asian girls. I have never seen anyone as long as I did Missy without success and was always hopeful it was right around the corner. If I did not think the massage and time without any extras were worth the money obviously I would have moved on long ago. When you mention no chance at a place like Hong I would agree unless you get them out of the shop. Many of these girls are asked out on a daily bases and turn most of us down initially. But they often have very lonley lives. It's the patience that pays off, take them to dinner after 10pm a couple of times and things start to get more interesting.[/QUOTE]I, sir, like your way of thinking. IMO, to get a girl to go to dinner on BH after 10pm has been a lot more difficult than the HE and the reward that much greater. To each his own and we needn't introduce our own version of the 'mommy wars' within the monger community.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1445939]Chi Massage got busted tonight around 7:15 pm. Gwinnett's finest had an undercover inside, then later an officer in riot gear, a ski mask and dark glasses came storming in and rattled cages. Mongers had identification checked and then were released. At least one of the two masseuses was arrested. Guess we'll have to peruse Gwinnett mug shots for her face and name.[/QUOTE]Glad to see they are keeping Amerika safe from the likes of willing adults engaging in mutual commerce. I feel safer already. BTW, how does one get selected to go on a 'sting' I wonder. Can't be the same process as the one who busts down the door of the crack house I'm guessing.

Go back again then. There was a report of another massage parlor getting busted yesterday so maybe they were being careful because they haven't seen you before.

I went there today and it was business as usual with the HE.

The only time I didn't get a HE is when I chose 30 minutes instead of an hour but that was when I was new there too.

[QUOTE=WilFos;1446010]I went to the one on Barrett. It was late afternoon between 4-5pm. Got a lady that looked high 30's low 40's. She wasn't to much of a looker anyways so not a huge disappointment but seeing as those it is basically in my backyard it would be nice to know of there is a provider there who does indeed offer a HE.[/QUOTE]

I'm still a noobie and recognize that. In my very limited experience I have had a couple of situations that have led to some interesting developments. While the previous poster identified that he was into the chase, I have had at least three experiences in the last 9 months where legitimate massuers have asked me out (BTW, I'm nothing much to look at. 50+) and have had FS from them in the room. These are not Korean, but Chinese women. I don't go looking for this, I'm interested in getting a decent to good massage, but just like most of us, when the opportunity presents, we take it. When I find a good rub, I keep going back. I make sure I tell her that its good.

Unfortunately these have all led to BB experiences and I end up kicking myself for a few weeks after for thinking with the wrong head. When I go looking for FS, I know where to go: it's just that these opportunities exist, at least for me.

Thanks again to all the posters: its good to hear about your successes and cautionary tales.

I was feeling a little horny and wanted to (dogged out a hooker) I mean slap on some ass and pull on some hair BUT I didn't really know what option I wanted to try? Should it be a escort or a back page girl? Or will it be a AMP girl? When I do a AMP it will be either GOLD SPA because of the looks of the girls or it will be K Spa with Sky these 40-50 year old Korean chicks just doesn't do anything for me, I guess SKY come to Atlanta for a few weeks and turn a bunch or horny tricks and then take off for a few months not bad work if you can get it lol

So, when I went in K Spa I asked for Sky and Mamason said Sky isn't here she is on " Bacation " BUT I have another good girl for you KAY is here but she is busy now. I said ok I will come back later, so I nearby my little jump off apt. She is a Latina chick I know that I met at a nail salon months ago and I was able to hook up with her a few times and she always have some type of issue going on her car or her kids or some type of bill that is past due. So I went by to see her and dogged her out for about a hour or so and I gave her a few dollars and told her happy Mother's Day and went on my way.

Kid Cisco

Are there any massage places in atl with American girls?

[QUOTE=Captain Ho2;1446771]Are there any massage places in atl with American girls?[/QUOTE]Sometime AMP will hire American girls to work for them there were one by Jimmy Carter a few years ago that hire a fine round BOOTY young white girl that was working there BUT like her they normally don't last long because once word gets out they have a white girl working there tricks will drive from miles away to go see her and the other Asian girls will get jealous and start making life hell for them. The white chick that was working there she couldn't take it any longer and she left and took a lot of tricks that was going to see her at the AMP behind the mall on Jimmy Carter with her and she was turning tricks at her apt. BUT she ended up moving away to another State to get away from her PIMP.

Gold Spa have hired many American girls over the years ( everyone I know remember the Black and Asian girl with the monster size ASS that use to work there) I know her and her husband from working on music video's BUT I haven't heard anything on her in a long time BUT like many American girls they ONLY be there for a few weeks at a time. BUT as far as a Massage place hiring nothing BUT American girls there have been a few over the years BUT they are raided by the cops so often until they will go out of business. Other cities like in South Beach in Fla have massage parlors that have Latina chicks working in them.

Being that this is the South the city leaders don't like the ideal of American girls turning tricks in their city with Asian girls they will turn more of a blind eye or bust them from time to time.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Captain Ho2;1446771]Are there any massage places in atl with American girls?[/QUOTE]There's one on Upper Hembree Road in the Alpharetta area. Girls post individual ads and I understand they'll quote a price for a basic massage but everything else is an upsell, such as topless, full nude, mutual touching, etc. However, none allegedly go beyone that. Do a BP or CL search for Alpharetta in the massage sections and you're bound to find those ads.

Okay. First. I know I was wrong for going after reading all of the negative posts.

Now that thats out of the way.

I remember when this was old faithful for me in terms of the finishing moves. I'm not much of an FS guy, just in search of a stranger to relieve some stress I suppose. When the negative reports started to come in, I was still getting a nice finish when I went. After not going for a while I told myself "It can't be that bad." The take the payment before-hand now. Didn't think much of it, peeled off the payment ensuring that she saw the "extras tip" I sat through an agonizing full hour long body slathering. Felt disgusting but I held on in hopes of completion. She left the room a few times, each of which I stood up and pretended to redress upon her return hoping to get my HE free of charge. She finally finished. 10 minutes early! I told her I still had 10 minutes! She went to the front and showed me some book saying that I started at 9 as if that was some sort of proof. Even still it was 9:53 or so, I wanted no parts of the remaining fatback-oiling, I simply wanted my HE. I waived her out of my face while dressing. She keeps coming back in the room with water trying to force me to drink it. Finally, on the way out she's standing there and says."You have no teep fo me" No. I don't.

Why didn't I listen to you guys. Won't happen again.

*sigh*

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco;1446793]Sometime AMP will hire American girls to work for them there were one by Jimmy Carter a few years ago that hire a fine round BOOTY young white girl that was working there[/QUOTE]

Heavy set blond from Rejuve days? FWIW. She gave a terrible massage for my tastes, but had some redeeming talents, although I never was intersted in FS. Rejuve which later become Paradise (?) is long gone.

Also, FWIW. Happened to be driving by this weekend and noticed a For Lease sign in window of Xin Xin on BH. Never heard of extras there and I don't recall anyone saying anything overly positive about the massages either, so probably not much of a loss.

Anybody have any info on Dream Massage on PH around Gwinnet Place Mall area? It used to be a hair salon with a girl giving massages in back, but about six months or so ago, the hair place closed and it became dedicated massage place. Looks very legit, but I have not had massage there.

[QUOTE=Beldaws; 1446610]Go back again then. There was a report of another massage parlor getting busted yesterday so maybe they were being careful because they haven't seen you before.

I went there today and it was business as usual with the HE.

The only time I didn't get a HE is when I chose 30 minutes instead of an hour but that was when I was new there too.[/QUOTE]I stopped in there Sat, and it was business as usual as well. Fairly good massage with the standard ending.

On another note, I stopped by the newer place in Smyrna. Decent massage by a better looking lady. But aside from a little ass grab, nothing going on. Certainly wasn't having any additional exploration by me, and believe me I tried. Not sure if it's because the place is a couple of months old, or because of it's locale. But unless you DIY, or invest more time and money than I'm willing to. It's not happening currently.

[QUOTE=Suave City; 1447165]Okay. First. I know I was wrong for going after reading all of the negative posts.

Now that thats out of the way.

I remember when this was old faithful for me in terms of the finishing moves. I'm not much of an FS guy, just in search of a stranger to relieve some stress I suppose. When the negative reports started to come in, I was still getting a nice finish when I went. After not going for a while I told myself "It can't be that bad." The take the payment before-hand now. Didn't think much of it, peeled off the payment ensuring that she saw the "extras tip" I sat through an agonizing full hour long body slathering. Felt disgusting but I held on in hopes of completion. She left the room a few times, each of which I stood up and pretended to redress upon her return hoping to get my HE free of charge. She finally finished. 10 minutes early! I told her I still had 10 minutes! She went to the front and showed me some book saying that I started at 9 as if that was some sort of proof. Even still it was 9:53 or so, I wanted no parts of the remaining fatback-oiling, I simply wanted my HE. I waived her out of my face while dressing. She keeps coming back in the room with water trying to force me to drink it. Finally, on the way out she's standing there and says."You have no teep fo me" No. I don't.

Why didn't I listen to you guys. Won't happen again.

*sigh*[/QUOTE]And this is why we always wear our watch, announce the time when she actually starts the massage to make her take note of what's happening. The monger needs to manage his time. Never leave it up to the masseuse. She's only there to separate you from what's in your wallet.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1447312]And this is why we always wear our watch, announce the time when she actually starts the massage to make her take note of what's happening. The monger needs to manage his time. Never leave it up to the masseuse. She's only there to separate you from what's in your wallet.[/QUOTE]One of the most accurate statements I've read recently.

I sure would like some of what these idiots are smoking! The average age of an Atlanta AMP's masseuse is over 40yrs old!

[url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/duluth-wants-crack-down-illegal-massage-parlor-act/nN5Q4/[/url]

[quote]The Duluth City Council is considering amending the ordinance that regulates massage businesses.

Supporters said the changes are necessary to curb things like prostitution and child sex trafficking.

Chip Sweney is the assistant pastor at Perimeter Church and a member of Street Grace, an organization aimed at stopping commercial sexual exploitation of children.

"It is going on and it is going on even with girls who are under the age, under 17 years old," Sweney told Channel 2's Amy Napier Viteri."Even women who are friends who go into an establishment and the establishment will say this isn't for you. In other words this isn't for women."

Sweney said he believes some Duluth massage businesses contribute to the problem and that the proposed changes would improve things.

The changes could include limiting the number of massage businesses to four per 10, 000 residents and increasing the licensing fee from $50 to $1, 000.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShortFoot; 1447486]I sure would like some of what these idiots are smoking! The average age of an Atlanta AMP's masseuse is over 40yrs old!

[url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/duluth-wants-crack-down-illegal-massage-parlor-act/nN5Q4/[/url][/QUOTE]And I can't think of a SINGLE foot massage place in Duluth that will turn down women. Women make up the bulk of the business. Walk into a Chinese massage joint during the day and what to you see? Groups of housewives having a foot massage party. Once again, the reactionaries are confusing the Korean AMPs with the Chinese foot massage places. I suppose Asian child sex trafficking goes on in Georgia somewhere, but it must be in some sort of underground network that none of us ever see.

Suave:

This hobby is all about trial and error, both when you are first getting into it and when you are going to a new MP / AMP to TOFTT. But, there are some basics to this hobby that might help increase your odds of leaving with a smile on your face. Here are a few:

1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.

2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.

3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times,"have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.

3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.

3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!

3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.

3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.

4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.

5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.

6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.

7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.

Revision 1: A mamsan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.

8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.

9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.

10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.

11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.

12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.

13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.

14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.

15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.

16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.

17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.

18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage is available. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.

This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from various "Massage" Forums. I don't claim to be an expert. Feel free to add on your own tips and pass this on to other guys. Next time someone asks for "any advice for visiting an AMP for the first time", you can point them in the right direction, and hopefully others will share their tips and advice.

Enjoy the hobby

[QUOTE=Suave City; 1447165]Okay. First. I know I was wrong for going after reading all of the negative posts.

Now that thats out of the way.

I remember when this was old faithful for me in terms of the finishing moves. I'm not much of an FS guy, just in search of a stranger to relieve some stress I suppose. When the negative reports started to come in, I was still getting a nice finish when I went. After not going for a while I told myself "It can't be that bad." The take the payment before-hand now. Didn't think much of it, peeled off the payment ensuring that she saw the "extras tip" I sat through an agonizing full hour long body slathering. Felt disgusting but I held on in hopes of completion. She left the room a few times, each of which I stood up and pretended to redress upon her return hoping to get my HE free of charge. She finally finished. 10 minutes early! I told her I still had 10 minutes! She went to the front and showed me some book saying that I started at 9 as if that was some sort of proof. Even still it was 9:53 or so, I wanted no parts of the remaining fatback-oiling, I simply wanted my HE. I waived her out of my face while dressing. She keeps coming back in the room with water trying to force me to drink it. Finally, on the way out she's standing there and says."You have no teep fo me" No. I don't.

Why didn't I listen to you guys. Won't happen again.

*sigh*[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1447545]Re: If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.[/QUOTE]Man. Fantastic step-by-step rundown of the AMP process. And dead on from my experience.

The only thing I'd mention is relative to the time-paid section above. I've actually found little relationship between whether you pay for the hour or for the half-hour. They all run about 40 minutes or so. The only thing with the shorter 30-minute session, there's often a feeling of time-pressure up front, especially during the TS. The whole experience somehow feels more relaxed if you do the hour.

In any case, I tend to call it a session after the HE, as I'm kinda done anyway. I also feel the hour comprises the moment I walk in to the moment I leave, including dressing / undressing time. Some guys feel it should be a full hour on the table, excluding dressing / undressing. Personal choice, for sure, but for the extra $20 ($40 for the half-hour vs $60 for the hour) I don't worry about; I'd just as soon enjoy a relaxed 40 or 45 minutes, than a tense 30 minutes that feels rushed to get it all in, even if they do run over a little.

[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1447545]Suave:

This hobby is all about trial and error, both when you are first getting into it and when you are going to a new MP / AMP to TOFTT. But, there are some basics to this hobby that might help increase your odds of leaving with a smile on your face. Here are a few:

1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.

2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.

3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times,"have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.

3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.

3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!

3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.

3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.

4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.

5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.

6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.

7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.

Revision 1: A mamsan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.

8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.

9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.

10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.

11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.

12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.

13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.

14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.

15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.

16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.

17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.

18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage is available. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.

This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from various "Massage" Forums. I don't claim to be an expert. Feel free to add on your own tips and pass this on to other guys. Next time someone asks for "any advice for visiting an AMP for the first time", you can point them in the right direction, and hopefully others will share their tips and advice.

Enjoy the hobby[/QUOTE]Great advice and Admin should frame this and require all newbies to read it.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1447832]Great advice and Admin should frame this and require all newbies to read it.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Should be added to the front page of usasg like the '22 rules for street mongering'

One of the best instructional posts, on any subject, I can recall reading in a long time.

[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1447545]Suave:

This hobby is all about trial and error, both when you are first getting into it and when you are going to a new MP / AMP to TOFTT. But, there are some basics to this hobby that might help increase your odds of leaving with a smile on your face. Here are a few:

1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.

2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.

3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times,"have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.

3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.

3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!

3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.

3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.

4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.

5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.

6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.

7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.

Revision 1: A mamsan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.

8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.

9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.

10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.

11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.

12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.

13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.

14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.

15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.

16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.

17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.

18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage is available. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.

This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from various "Massage" Forums. I don't claim to be an expert. Feel free to add on your own tips and pass this on to other guys. Next time someone asks for "any advice for visiting an AMP for the first time", you can point them in the right direction, and hopefully others will share their tips and advice.

Enjoy the hobby[/QUOTE]