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[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6753556]That's not true. Covid didn't decrease the SB pool. From 2020 to 2022, were some of the best years. 2023 was the worst year ever in SA. That's because of inflation and the increase of Fake / Salt daddies. The rising cost of living affects many SDs' ability to spoil generously. As a result, new girls who want to try sugaring are hesitant due to the increased number of horrific sugaring experiences they hear all around.[/QUOTE]Respectfully disagree. Covid did reduce the pool. Very easy to check back in those years by doing a general overall search in the age ranges. From what I've seen of the girls you and others bring up. They're older in the mid 20's and up. I don't usually hunt in that age range. Younger girls were very reduced and still are.

[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;6742922]Think she told me she used to do porn when she was 18.[/QUOTE]How is her performance?

[QUOTE=SeanTime53;6754052]How is her performance?[/QUOTE]Another member PM me a few days ago. He had a really good experience with her.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6753858]Respectfully disagree. Covid did reduce the pool. Very easy to check back in those years by doing a general overall search in the age ranges. From what I've seen of the girls you and others bring up. They're older in the mid 20's and up. I don't usually hunt in that age range. Younger girls were very reduced and still are.[/QUOTE]1st quarter of 2020 was kinda slow on SA. 2nd half picked right up. Overall there wasn't a significant decrease in 2020 from my end. For me, 2023 was by far the slowest year I had since I've been on SA. That's why many members are complaining they are not getting many replies recently because there are not that many new SBs in 2023.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6753476]Miaismia: This is her first time being a SB. She's a Chinese girl in her late 20's from China. She lives in a DTLA apartment. She's currently facing financial difficulties because her parents in China can no longer support her due to the poor economic state China is now. She graduated from NYU with a BS and MS degree. She has no green card and currently looking for a job that provides a work visa. Her looks are a 7 and her body is an 8. She's very nice and friendly. Allowance negotiable. Act quickly if you want to be her 1st SD.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/50af780b-8df1-47a4-a2ea-908d94e6d00a[/URL][/QUOTE]First time sugar baby with a join date in 2021? LOL.

[QUOTE=JackMiles;6754177]First time sugar baby with a join date in 2021? LOL.[/QUOTE]She created the account back then but never had an arrangement. She just started using the account a month ago according to her.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6753858]Respectfully disagree. Covid did reduce the pool. Very easy to check back in those years by doing a general overall search in the age ranges. From what I've seen of the girls you and others bring up. They're older in the mid 20's and up. I don't usually hunt in that age range. Younger girls were very reduced and still are.[/QUOTE]I would agree with this. I find it was more difficult to do meetups during Covid. I had several girls tell me they would not meet up, it was harder for sure. When Covid died down, the ability to access more dates ballooned for me.

[QUOTE=RRyder;6753394]I'm starting to think SA is just filled with girls GPS. I just resigned up yesterday. I've sent out 99 messages and not a single reply back. I've done this before, I've had 2 long term SB. One ended up being a long term live in GF. But I've been off the site for 4 years and I'm using the same type of messages and nothing. I've even lowered my standards to 3's and 4's and still nothing. WTH is going on? Is the Guy to Girl ratio that bad? Do the SBs have the upper hand now. Is Hoeflation that high? Rant over but any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I would not give up. I am not sure why you are you getting such a high no repsonse rate. Maybe try new photos? On any given week I can pick up 3-5 new numbers to go out with a few hours work. Granted, as many have said, prices have gone up from pre Covid for sure and there are many flakes, GPS, scammers etc but it is still good. Do not give up, I think this is just a fluke thing you experienced.

[QUOTE=JackMiles;6754177]First time sugar baby with a join date in 2021? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah noticed that too. Maybe she's still a virgin?

Just like Stormy Daniels LOL.

[QUOTE=WowU812;6749179] HotItGirl from Seeking

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/135ff46d-ab1f-4736-a689-5e6e7c34b670[/URL]

Easy raw dog, Uber to hotel, shrimp cocktail, vodka soda and $300.[/QUOTE]This SB is a ham sammich away from fat. But if she allows CIP then $300 ppm is not bad.

Dariaa: Apparently, this is a different Dariaa than the one I stated in my last review. She's looking for 1 k ppm.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6811b5c7-aafe-4c09-94ec-51539cf41225[/URL]

Please do not PM me to ask me for SB's contact info. Contact them directly on SA. If they're interested in you, they will give you their number.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6754710]This SB is a ham sammich away from fat. But if she allows CIP then $300 ppm is not bad.[/QUOTE]I saw her last August and she was a good time. 300 for 2 hours and she is down for BBFS, cip, greek, and filming. She lived in a sobriety home in Orange at the time, so she did have a curfew. She told me she lived in North Carolina, moved to Atlanta where she got on fentanyl, but wanted to get sober and found this sober home in Orange, CA. I never would have guessed as she isn't skinny, but also not out-of-control fat. I'd see her again as she is doing good with her sobriety.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6754314]I would not give up. I am not sure why you are you getting such a high no repsonse rate. Maybe try new photos? On any given week I can pick up 3-5 new numbers to go out with a few hours work. Granted, as many have said, prices have gone up from pre Covid for sure and there are many flakes, GPS, scammers etc but it is still good. Do not give up, I think this is just a fluke thing you experienced.[/QUOTE]That is very strange. Do you have photos? What are you saying when you message girls?

I am fit, clean and attractive. First message is very nice, but to the point. For example: "Hey, I like that picture of you at the beach! I love the beach. It would be nice to meet someone with a real connection. Let's meet for something casual and fun, maybe once or twice per week. Do you like getting some sort of allowance each time in the beginning as we establish our arrangement. What is your number? I will text to discuss further".

[QUOTE=Boobman76;6755133]I saw her last August and she was a good time. 300 for 2 hours and she is down for BBFS, cip, greek, and filming. She lived in a sobriety home in Orange at the time, so she did have a curfew. She told me she lived in North Carolina, moved to Atlanta where she got on fentanyl, but wanted to get sober and found this sober home in Orange, CA. I never would have guessed as she isn't skinny, but also not out-of-control fat. I'd see her again as she is doing good with her sobriety.[/QUOTE]Usually a girl that is dealing with substance abuse can be had for much less. I've had a few girls off Seeking and Craigslist in the past that were in sobriety homes. That were just as cute and were open to everything including pics and video for 100/140 average per meetup and a couple hours of fun time. This one being a more recent girl on Seeking nowadays, with GPS / PPS going on, can be probably brought down to 200 max. 300 is a bit high.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6754710]Yeah noticed that too. Maybe she's still a virgin?

Just like Stormy Daniels LOL.

This SB is a ham sammich away from fat. But if she allows CIP then $300 ppm is not bad.[/QUOTE]One mans ham sammich is another mans cordon bleu.

Given up on finding an ABG. Whoremaxxing is a dead hobby. Quality is way down. Quantitiy is way down. Prices are way up. Lame. At least I got to experience it when it lasted.

[QUOTE=WowU812;6755160]That is very strange. Do you have photos? What are you saying when you message girls?

I am fit, clean and attractive. First message is very nice, but to the point. For example: "Hey, I like that picture of you at the beach! I love the beach. It would be nice to meet someone with a real connection. Let's meet for something casual and fun, maybe once or twice per week. Do you like getting some sort of allowance each time in the beginning as we establish our arrangement. What is your number? I will text to discuss further".[/QUOTE]I actually have good photos, and am above average in looks and build so maybe that helps me. Not saying I am a model or hunk but definitely very appealing. Photos really do mean and say a lot, but you noted that you are fit and attractive so I guess you must be pretty photogenic.

I honestly do not go into long openers with girls whether online or in a bar, club, etc. Most dating coaches, experts will tell you the initial opener means very little. This is a typical thing I use, and it is a direct approach to get her number. My approach I feel shows that you are not needy, gets straight to the point, etc.

I will use one of these approaches normally:

"Hey I found your photos really cute, I was wondering if I could get to know you, so. Please leave you name and number and I will be in touch."

"Hello, you seem like a really interesting person, and would like talking with you and go from there. ".

Also, many girls will eventually hit you up also, and sometimes it is a decent match, so not sure why this has not happened yet but it will.

Lastly, I read your opener, and it is pretty good overall. You start off complementing which is good but I would leave out the part where you say I would be nice to meet someone with a real connection as most of these girls wants NSA and it is too early in your opener without having gone out to discuss this. Also, I would not discuss the allowance in the email, and would save this for once you speak with her because some girls do not want this. Once you gain her trust and speak with her, you can state you want ppm and I like the way you state it, and then tell her we can see how it goes from there.

As I say overall, hang in there, I think you just had a fluke experience. In the beginning it was akward for me and I gave up years ago, and then came back and was a gold mine for me. Now though, the GPS thing and high prices are the big issue for me. Hotter girls want 600-1000 now and my maximum is $400-500.

Good Luck.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6755734]I actually have good photos, and am above average in looks and build so maybe that helps me. Not saying I am a model or hunk but definitely very appealing. Photos really do mean and say a lot, but you noted that you are fit and attractive so I guess you must be pretty photogenic.

I honestly do not go into long openers with girls whether online or in a bar, club, etc. Most dating coaches, experts will tell you the initial opener means very little. This is a typical thing I use, and it is a direct approach to get her number. My approach I feel shows that you are not needy, gets straight to the point, etc.

I will use one of these approaches normally:

"Hey I found your photos really cute, I was wondering if I could get to know you, so. Please leave you name and number and I will be in touch."

"Hello, you seem like a really interesting person, and would like talking with you and go from there. ".

Also, many girls will eventually hit you up also, and sometimes it is a decent match, so not sure why this has not happened yet but it will..[/QUOTE]Good tips.

[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6755728]Given up on finding an ABG. Whoremaxxing is a dead hobby. Quality is way down. Quantitiy is way down. Prices are way up. Lame. At least I got to experience it when it lasted.[/QUOTE]What's ABG stand for?

SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6756803]SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.[/QUOTE]That would well received by a lot of girls.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6756803]SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.[/QUOTE]Care to share her profile link or a photo? Not many Italian girls on SA in the LA / OC area. The ones I met that are 7 or 8 are not 1500 monthly to meet 2-3 x a week. That works out to $125 - $187.50 per meet.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6756033]What's ABG stand for?[/QUOTE]Asian Baby Girl.

Think blonde hair, big eyelashes, boba, tattos, Teslas, brown pussies / assholes.

My kryptonite.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6756803]SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.[/QUOTE]Is it this Italian girl? [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f50ad693-b969-4c60-bab9-ddda2658a77e[/URL] Curious how she looks like for that kinda allowance.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6756803]SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.[/QUOTE]Please explain how you get this low of a rate. Is this something you just throw out there. I have been on SA for almost 4 years and most 7 to 8 s are asking 400-600 per date and have yet to find cheaper. So if you do the math, at!,500 per month meet 10 times per months that only $150 per meet. I find this truly astonishing and almost hard to believe that girls go for this amount as an allowance.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6756803]SA truly still hits like it did 3-4 years ago. Might take a little bit more work but I still manage to get 7/8's for little to no allowance. Just managed to start meeting up with an Italian girl who's I've been meeting 2-3 x a week for 1500 monthly.[/QUOTE]Can you link me to what you consider a 7-8? Not one of your current babies nut just an example. I have run into nothing but GPS 600+ and most of what I would call hotties are asking 1 k. I'm not ugly so I'm wondering how you guys do it. LOL.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6757228]Please explain how you get this low of a rate. Is this something you just throw out there. I have been on SA for almost 4 years and most 7 to 8 s are asking 400-600 per date and have yet to find cheaper. So if you do the math, at!,500 per month meet 10 times per months that only $150 per meet. I find this truly astonishing and almost hard to believe that girls go for this amount as an allowance.[/QUOTE]The only way that this can play out is that the SBs were scammed, defrauded, manipulated, and played. There's no way an SB will accept a $125-187 per meet range. They are not complete idiots and stupid. Why would they have sex with an old SD for just merely an average of $150? Of course not. I just met with an Argentina girl and she told me her previous SD scammed her for almost 3 months. The SD gave her nearly a fraction of what he promised to give. She was completely defrauded and scammed and now she's broke. It is these fake / salt SDs that have diminished the supply pool of SBs, not COVID-19 or social media. People go where the money is. If there is no money to be made, they go elsewhere. If an SB is spending 2-3 x a week meeting with an SD for only $1500, how can she survive in this inflated economy? It is these fake / salt SDs that have ruined it all for all the real SDs and they complain about why there are fewer girls now.

The idea that a guy who has gotten a great setup w / someone would share her profile on this site so she could be bombarded with a hundred sleazy messages is laughable. How do you get this sort of an attractive deal? You work for it, in how you approach a girl, and how you contribute non-monetarily to her.

Guys who complain about GPS the strongest here, I would wager, are those who are pitching specific sugar amounts in the first or early messages in contacting a girl. If you want something that is at a good price point and sustainable, you have to pay your dues w / a girl. Those who ignore this advice will be disappointed. That is unless they truly look like a movie star and have incomparable bedroom skills.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;6757282]Can you link me to what you consider a 7-8? Not one of your current babies nut just an example. I have run into nothing but GPS 600+ and most of what I would call hotties are asking 1 k. I'm not ugly so I'm wondering how you guys do it. LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't think it really matters what his 7/8 is. Even if it's a 6 in your eyes. That's still a good looking girl. Not all my girls are 8, 9 or 10. I have some that are 5 or 6, that is still a cute girl. With girls that are pretty homely looking and overweight on Seeking having GPS. The scoring system goes out the door!

I'd rather have a 5, 6 or 7 that is inexpensive and a freak in bed. Than an expensive 8, 9 or 10 that is a pillow princess and a dead fish in bed. Hot looks aren't always everything. It doesn't always equate to a better performance in bed. I've had some dead fish hot girls in bed that were not worth the high dollar.

As long as he's getting a freak in bed that drains his nuts well. That's really all that matters. Especially at that great price.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6757796]Don't think it really matters what his 7/8 is. Even if it's a 6 in your eyes. That's still a good looking girl. Not all my girls are 8, 9 or 10. I have some that are 5 or 6, that is still a cute girl. With girls that are pretty homely looking and overweight on Seeking having GPS. The scoring system goes out the door!

I'd rather have a 5, 6 or 7 that is inexpensive and a freak in bed. Than an expensive 8, 9 or 10 that is a pillow princess and a dead fish in bed. Hot looks aren't always everything. It doesn't always equate to a better performance in bed. I've had some dead fish hot girls in bed that were not worth the high dollar.

As long as he's getting a freak in bed that drains his nuts well. That's really all that matters. Especially at that great price.[/QUOTE]Yeah for sure, I don't throw shade on anybody's taste in women. I just want to see what he's able to negotiate down to $150/ visit or $1,500/ mo so I can calibrate what I'm chasing. It's just a helpful data point.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;6757816]Yeah for sure, I don't throw shade on anybody's taste in women. I just want to see what he's able to negotiate down to $150/ visit or $1,500/ mo so I can calibrate what I'm chasing. It's just a helpful data point.[/QUOTE]The appeal in his negotiations to the girl is most likely the 1500. The girl is not seeing it as only 150 per meet or so. She sees 1500 and it's great for her. And he broke it down to her most likely they have to see each other a certain number of times per week. The risk here is if he's giving the money at the beginning of the month. He's trusting that she'll hold up her end. She could easily bounce and he's out that money. I don't do monthly or weekly allowances. I prefer PPM because it keeps us both honest. She gets something and I do too.

And again doesn't matter what the girl looks like. As long as she's cute / pretty and with a good / great body. For me as long as the girl has a natural great body and the face is at least acceptable. Then I'm down for it. Great in bed, great body, decent face minimum. I'm good to go.

Holy fuck I think I'm in love.

[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6758716]Holy fuck I think I'm in love.[/QUOTE]LOL careful she's been inseminated.

Loverrgirll: She's an Indian / Middle Eastern girl, forgot exactly where, in her late 20's back on SA with a new profile. She's been on SA for many years now with different profiles and usernames. Her profile pic is fake. That's some other model's pic. She's not attractive at all. Her looks are a 6 and her body is a 7. She's asking for 1 k ppm, condom only.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a7406205-3610-4799-b36b-3d4b3d1c08bf[/URL]

Danielle: White dirty blonde girl in her late 20's according to her profile. She looks more like in her mid or late 30's. She lives in Dana Point but is willing to travel for arrangements. She is ready to meet and DTF afterward. Her looks are a 6 and her body is a 6. Allowance is negotiable.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/536f92a8-7d6c-4b9b-8db7-8002861ae36c[/URL]

Hmmm: Very unattractive white girl. Don't bother asking for her pics. Her looks and body is a 5.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/80cf1251-e8a5-4922-9270-ea9a90de504b[/URL]

Lovergirl: Possible fake / scammer account. Uncertain.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d16ec19a-fbe5-46f3-a4f5-288ec48edf56[/URL]

Breenabeballin: White blonde girl looking for platonic only.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b85d4dfd-ed3d-4e27-9317-66f54a5a32eb[/URL]

SweetTart4 ever: Possible fake / scammer account. Uncertain.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5f5f299f-26dd-43e4-a9e7-f5cd6b0de90e[/URL]

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6757542]The only way that this can play out is that the SBs were scammed, defrauded, manipulated, and played. There's no way an SB will accept a $125-187 per meet range. They are not complete idiots and stupid. Why would they have sex with an old SD for just merely an average of $150? Of course not. I just met with an Argentina girl and she told me her previous SD scammed her for almost 3 months. The SD gave her nearly a fraction of what he promised to give. She was completely defrauded and scammed and now she's broke. It is these fake / salt SDs that have diminished the supply pool of SBs, not COVID-19 or social media. People go where the money is. If there is no money to be made, they go elsewhere. If an SB is spending 2-3 x a week meeting with an SD for only $1500, how can she survive in this inflated economy? It is these fake / salt SDs that have ruined it all for all the real SDs and they complain about why there are fewer girls now.[/QUOTE]Genuinely feel like insecurities came out with this post. To be clear the likely hood of me sharing who the SB is without good reason is unlikely. To answer your question, me and this person went out and had dinner / drinks and never discussed any portion of the arrangement the first night. The 2nd date she expressed how she enjoyed our time and didn't want it to feel super transactional but the 1500 would help cover all her other expenses besides rent.

I didn't come up with this number. She did!

The idea for her on this site was to find 1 partner and to receive some support but had no idea what that would look like. Also not sure how I'm ruining it for anyone, with so many "salt" daddies you should have your choice at the crop then since you're competing with us.

Also to note I'm not some old person I'm not going to give my exact age but I'm late 20's to early 30's haha, I use SA as another dating platform and have given my share of 6-700 or even 1 k at some points. Those are more so short term.

Also my 7 or what I view as attractive is subjective and doesn't apply to everyone. Wish you the best of luck and hopefully you get some success, seems like you could use a little luck going your way.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6757542] If an SB is spending 2-3 x a week meeting with an SD for only $1500, how can she survive in this inflated economy?[/QUOTE]Because she has multiple SD's. Very common to have 2 or 3 regulars not to mention the random guys she fucks 1 time here and there. Or she may live with or be getting money from her family.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/28ec7acb-50e0-49f9-a037-d586366a6aa5[/URL]

Has anyone this cutie yet? Any information will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Dsteezy;6759191]Genuinely feel like insecurities came out with this post. To be clear the likely hood of me sharing who the SB is without good reason is unlikely. To answer your question, me and this person went out and had dinner / drinks and never discussed any portion of the arrangement the first night. The 2nd date she expressed how she enjoyed our time and didn't want it to feel super transactional but the 1500 would help cover all her other expenses besides rent.

I didn't come up with this number. She did!

The idea for her on this site was to find 1 partner and to receive some support but had no idea what that would look like. Also not sure how I'm ruining it for anyone, with so many "salt" daddies you should have your choice at the crop then since you're competing with us.

Also to note I'm not some old person I'm not going to give my exact age but I'm late 20's to early 30's haha, I use SA as another dating platform and have given my share of 6-700 or even 1 k at some points. Those are more so short term.[/QUOTE]That explains. You're young and probably above average looking so the chances for you to find such an arrangement is more likely. Guess you got lucky. It happens.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6759269]Because she has multiple SD's. Very common to have 2 or 3 regulars not to mention the random guys she fucks 1 time here and there. Or she may live with or be getting money from her family.[/QUOTE]That's a possibility.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6757542]The only way that this can play out is that the SBs were scammed, defrauded, manipulated, and played. There's no way an SB will accept a $125-187 per meet range. They are not complete idiots and stupid. Why would they have sex with an old SD for just merely an average of $150? Of course not. I just met with an Argentina girl and she told me her previous SD scammed her for almost 3 months. The SD gave her nearly a fraction of what he promised to give. She was completely defrauded and scammed and now she's broke. It is these fake / salt SDs that have diminished the supply pool of SBs, not COVID-19 or social media. People go where the money is. If there is no money to be made, they go elsewhere. If an SB is spending 2-3 x a week meeting with an SD for only $1500, how can she survive in this inflated economy? It is these fake / salt SDs that have ruined it all for all the real SDs and they complain about why there are fewer girls now.[/QUOTE]First off let's get away from these terms of salt daddy, fake daddies, Splenda daddies, etc. If you help out a girl with 100 or 1000 in an arrangement type deal. You're a sugardaddy period! Also I hate the term sugardaddy, it sounds silly as fuck to me. So I just like Daddy or Papi, since I'm a Hispanic guy. For me what you refer to as a salt daddy. I can understand but I know it as the "smash and dash". Meaning you trick the girl out of paying her after you smashed her. I've known some dudes that have done that and it's fucked up.

Also these girls are not always jobless. So they may not need as much help. Since I go for mainly college girl types and ages. They may be working part-time or getting help from their parents for college. So all they want is some extra spending cash for small bills, having fun, cell bill, etc. Not all girls are materialistic minded and trying to live that boujee (bourgeois) "lifestyle". So it's possible to find girls that are fine at lower amounts. It's just getting harder to nowadays with the smaller pond I fish in and with dudes just giving these girls high PPM amounts without even negotiating. Giving these girls high PPM amounts right off the bat or just asking what their PPM amount is. IS WHAT HAS RUINED THE GAME! And contributed to so many girls having GPS / PPS even ugly overweight girls. I refer to that, as what the kids call it now, as simping! Just giving a chic whatever she wants, no questions asked. Don't be a simp! You need to know how to negotiate.

A sugar arrangement is meant to provide some extra help and maybe some gifts here and there to a girl. It's not meant to replace and be a source of regular income. That's what a regular job is for.

And yes Covid did reduce the pool! I know what I saw when it first came around and we had all the restrictions kick in.