Korean Agency BB

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6155652]The price now with upcharge are no longer justify by look nor service.

Been mongering with k girl since 2010, I can tell you that price went up but look, service went down, very few left that still worth seeing. Some just got old after all these years. Use to see one a week, now one a month if there is someone reliable that matches look, service and price.

I can tell by the reviews who paid 400 to 420, so so at best, nothing close to glowing reviews back in the day when it was 260 to 280 or 300. So does 400-420 really worth it with lower quality? Not really. Only the newb thinks that they got a great deal.

It's not just about money anymore, I feel like getting fuck over for paying more but get less. That's the truth![/QUOTE]Your post sums up on what I wanted to say. I was already on the fence for some time now, but with my visit with Ria and getting totally fucked over made me rethink things in my life. I cannot remember a time where a girl was so rude that she just walked away to see myself out. At the worst, the girl was classy enough to at least try to be civil despite her actual feelings about the session. I'll still be around, but I plan to post less as I won't have anything new to share. I'm curious as to where the scene will go next year. The way I see the hobby back then was an affordable treat and it's morphed into this cash grab to milk out customers as much as they can get away with. The fact that the bookers read this place and the price has gone up or hasn't gotten better clearly shows nothing has changed.

Humpday at sfk / kbliss.

Sfk Erika Viki Allie.

Kbliss Jessica Erika Allie.

Booker says someone good coming next week. Unknown if the girl is rebrand from norcal or new from overseas.

[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;6154837]Pretty sure you're not alone in your POV, as could be the case for anyone past the "honeymoon period" of this hobby. Which begs the question, what's the average amount of time someone hobbys before hanging it up?[/QUOTE]That would ultimately depend on the person themself. There is no answer since it's quite subjective on each person's circumstance. I've been doing this for awhile and doing some thinking, a few years ago was a more prudent time to hang up the gloves. Now is a good time than ever to justify at the very least a hiatus.

[QUOTE=TheAbc;6155726]Your post sums up on what I wanted to say. I was already on the fence for some time now, but with my visit with Ria and getting totally fucked over made me rethink things in my life. I cannot remember a time where a girl was so rude that she just walked away to see myself out. At the worst, the girl was classy enough to at least try to be civil despite her actual feelings about the session. I'll still be around, but I plan to post less as I won't have anything new to share. I'm curious as to where the scene will go next year. The way I see the hobby back then was an affordable treat and it's morphed into this cash grab to milk out customers as much as they can get away with. The fact that the bookers read this place and the price has gone up or hasn't gotten better clearly shows nothing has changed.[/QUOTE]Trust me they read. But old, ugly, hobbyists don't complain when they get a rebrand.

This goes on with escorts and dolled up pictures. They are worst. So don't feel to bad we ain't being shafted as most hobbyists are.

Price will stabilize but why are they raising rates when rent hasn't gone up at there locations. Are they charging us 5000% for mouth wash when we all bb. We saving them on rubbers LOL.

[QUOTE=Irresponsible;6155718]Here's to hoping that some of the agencies will drop prices next year, just to get any clients at all.[/QUOTE]I may have some years under my belt, but I don't ever recall a significant dip in kgirl rates across the board in LA. At best, there may have been a plateau pre-Jamie era. But I welcome any of the super OGs to chime in on whether we've ever seen a reduction, and perhaps what the context was at the time.

This was the M / PKL era of Hana Banana, Ara Akira, Saki to Me, Daisy Fuentes, and Mean Jean Okerland. Those days are long gone. The question is, will there be another renaissance to save us from a potential [B] MADD [/B] situation and [B] Make LA Great Again [/B] as BA mentioned?

[QUOTE=Ramen25;6155833]This was the M / PKL era of Hana Banana, Ara Akira, Saki to Me, Daisy Fuentes, and Mean Jean Okerland. Those days are long gone. The question is, will there be another renaissance to save us from a potential [B] MADD [/B] situation and [B] Make LA Great Again [/B] as BA mentioned?[/QUOTE]Brothers of the same cause, let's unite, put on our MALGA hats and combat this price hike!

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6155652]The price now with upcharge are no longer justify by look nor service.

Been mongering with k girl since 2010, I can tell you that price went up but look, service went down, very few left that still worth seeing. Some just got old after all these years. Use to see one a week, now one a month if there is someone reliable that matches look, service and price.

I can tell by the reviews who paid 400 to 420, so so at best, nothing close to glowing reviews back in the day when it was 260 to 280 or 300. So does 400-420 really worth it with lower quality? Not really. Only the newb thinks that they got a great deal.

It's not just about money anymore, I feel like getting fuck over for paying more but get less. That's the truth![/QUOTE]Agree 100% been mongering the same time but it took me sooner to realize this wave of euphoriais about to crash seeing the new clients coming in and they were no where up to par as it used to be during the CVibe days. It really in all honest opinion started with the Trump era when girls were getting scared that they couldn't leave the states because they thought they weren't be able to come back and the new talents were having a difficult time coming in with these new laws Trump proposed for non citizens that's when it went down the shitter.

When I did the deed pre 2020 and gave them the donation felt good when I left driving home the 260 280 donation was worth the 30 min drive to LA but since late 2020 felt like I kept getting ripped off no matter how many times I gave new girls a try and expected positive results never happened, then I realized man I need to quit its like throwing away cash at this point and I ain't going to keep supporting these Orgs if they really think imma be settling for a girl that's a 5/10 and paying her 320 TF!

I feel like they think we can't get women or something and we rely on their service, the whole main reason why we pay is to smash girls that almost closely look like kpop girls not looking like third world country. At this point they should be paying me to smash them then me paying them cause the appearance department really went down hill.

With that being said imma end it with a quote from my favorite comedian so y'all can open your eyes and mind.

"Everyone knows there is no such thing as good 36 year old pussy" -Dave Chapelle.

Who sets the base price? House, or the girls? I'm guessing the house got greedy and upped their cut, that's why we're paying so much. The girls probably aren't taking home more money.

It's funny we think alike. The higher the price goes, the less I use the service.

Which is a better business model?- lower price higher volume, or higher price no volume?

Now at $350 400 420, I'm holding back only for the best of the best.

[B]Spending psychology[/B] is different. For $400, I'd rather eat well, buy a nice graphics card for my computer, or some other shit. For $260, I didn't really give a shit either way.

It has been 9 months since I've seen a kgirl, the longest I've ever held out. I used to go once a month.

Even though it's 50% more expensive now, I'm cutting my visits by 300%.

Ugly girls on dating apps seem like a better deal right now. If not, then jacking off to porn gives the same end result.

There's a breaking point as more buyers boycott, and these k-orgs will soon feel it.

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6154632]Anyone seen Blue from M yet?[/QUOTE]I would like to second this request on Blue please, I used to toftt pretty much all wla with M but am hesitant now due to recent track record. Feel like I have seen this face before but who knows with pictures these days. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ChefBoyardee;6155952]I would like to second this request on Blue please, I used to toftt pretty much all wla with M but am hesitant now due to recent track record. Feel like I have seen this face before but who knows with pictures these days. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'd like to recommend none of us TOFTT. New girl? Can't tell if she's a rebrand? Fuck it. Unless she's charging well below market rate, then why waste the money? These days, the chances of a dud are way too high. Most new (or rebranded) upcharge girls are starting out at $420 for one pop BBFS. Nope nope and nope. Go back to $360 for an unknown face and I'll TOFTT. Then maybe <b <them if</ them </ b you prove you're worth it, I <b <them might</ them </ b consider paying more. Tired of getting ripped off. I'll keep seeing my trusted regular girls (less frequently BTW), but no new faces for me. Once the regulars have gone, I think I'll be out unless the quality rises considerably or the prices drop to meet the mediocre offerings.

[QUOTE=Kaamper;6156033]I'd like to recommend none of us TOFTT. New girl? Can't tell if she's a rebrand? Fuck it. Unless she's charging well below market rate, then why waste the money? These days, the chances of a dud are way too high. Most new (or rebranded) upcharge girls are starting out at $420 for one pop BBFS. Nope nope and nope.[/QUOTE]

I like where this conversation is going. Will some still take the bait? Of course. Noobs and dudes that just dont give af alike. But there's a reason why I'm mostly seeing girls in the Bay these days.

Every so often the board gets an uptick about topics relating to price, quality, and service of kgirls. It's to be expected. A core pillar of this platform is to provide a space to air out grievances, opinions, experiences, etc by anyone or everyone concerning the kgirl scene. However, I want to inject some nuance into the conversation as some statements I see could use some context. These are based my own experience with, understanding of, and conclusions drawn from being a part of the kgirl scene for a long time.

For one, I wholeheartedly believe that anyone who has been engaged in the kgirl scene for the past three or four years would have at least subtly understood that a price increase was coming regardless if you're a multiple visits per week or once per month (s) monger. The stagnant pricing since the early 2010's can't last forever. The small intermittent and sporadic increases foreshadowed and promised a larger price hike in the future. Even if you're not an economist, the concept of inflation is readily understood by the vast majority here. I've already made the case that the true base rate reflective of and taking into account current economic conditions lies somewhere around the $300-320 range [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=6005807&viewfull=1#post6005807]HERE[/URL] and [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=6007777&viewfull=1#post6007777]HERE[/URL]. I won't rehash it here so take a look for yourself if you're so inclined. As such, I don't see how you can make a logical jump to expect or conclude that service/quality should also improve commensurate with an inflationary price correction. On the contrary, only when no economic forces exist to justify and account for the increase, can you make the argument that service and / or quality should improve or conclude that it's just plain old greed. But this is not the case here.

Secondly, I think we were all fortunate in the past to be subjected to normalized rates between agencies. That is, within an agency or between closely associated sister agencies, the donation rate was the same regardless of who you chose to see from their roster for the vast majority of cases. It didn't matter if you chose their current popular flavor of the month or their bottom of the barrel talent. In my estimation and speculation, this was implemented by the agency to curb infighting and jealousy among the working girls. From the bit I now know about the social and cultural undertones of Koreans, it makes sense. This situation lead to a desperate need for a system to sift out the good from the bad. The eventual outcome being this board and other similar platforms. The normalized pricing trend diminished slightly when BBFS up charges began. And the model collapsed with the advent of the a la carte model coupled with starlets and legend titled kgirls pricing themselves out of the norm. A prime example was Hana who came in starting at $300 with M when the rest of her girls were at $260. Call it greed, call it capitalism, call it whatever but from their viewpoint, they are essentially taking the prescribed route afforded to them by a capitalist society.

Finally, IMO, I think the floor of base donation rate have plateaued at $300-320 given market fundamentals. And while we can lay the blame of up charges and a al carte menuing directly at the feet of kgirls and their greed, it falls to us mongers to respond accordingly. I hope they back themselves into a corner and choke on that bone but I don't see LA and OC mongers cohesive enough to mount a concerted effort to clearly and effectively voice their dissent. Money talks, yes, but only if a large majority (or, at least, large enough to affect each agencies' revenue stream) agrees to follow through with boycotting up charge and a la carte girls to a very measurable degree. It's also incredibly important to convey to the booker that you didn't or don't want to see a particular girl because of it. Alternatively, support the all inclusive or GFE-exclusive girls instead. I sincerely hope we can but I won't hold my hold breath either.

[QUOTE=NintyNine;6155943]Who sets the base price? House, or the girls? I'm guessing the house got greedy and upped their cut, that's why we're paying so much. The girls probably aren't taking home more money.

It's funny we think alike. The higher the price goes, the less I use the service.

Which is a better business model?- lower price higher volume, or higher price no volume?

Now at $350 400 420, I'm holding back only for the best of the best.

[B]Spending psychology[/B] is different. For $400, I'd rather eat well, buy a nice graphics card for my computer, or some other shit. For $260, I didn't really give a shit either way.

It has been 9 months since I've seen a kgirl, the longest I've ever held out. I used to go once a month.

Even though it's 50% more expensive now, I'm cutting my visits by 300%.

Ugly girls on dating apps seem like a better deal right now. If not, then jacking off to porn gives the same end result.

There's a breaking point as more buyers boycott, and these k-orgs will soon feel it.[/QUOTE]With the GPU market these days define "nice graphic cards" at $400.

[QUOTE=NintyNine;6155943]Who sets the base price? House, or the girls? I'm guessing the house got greedy and upped their cut, that's why we're paying so much. The girls probably aren't taking home more money.

It's funny we think alike. The higher the price goes, the less I use the service.

Which is a better business model?- lower price higher volume, or higher price no volume?

Now at $350 400 420, I'm holding back only for the best of the best.

[B]Spending psychology[/B] is different. For $400, I'd rather eat well, buy a nice graphics card for my computer, or some other shit. For $260, I didn't really give a shit either way.

It has been 9 months since I've seen a kgirl, the longest I've ever held out. I used to go once a month.

Even though it's 50% more expensive now, I'm cutting my visits by 300%.

Ugly girls on dating apps seem like a better deal right now. If not, then jacking off to porn gives the same end result.

There's a breaking point as more buyers boycott, and these k-orgs will soon feel it.[/QUOTE]I would say both parties are both responsible. I had this same discussion with a girl recently. I felt that at her price point she wasn't worth it because services that I wasn't getting from her were lacking and I knew she was wasting session time by having me listen to whatever is going on with her life (I don't care). Every time I went the session was pretty scripted and she barely could accommodate changes or do freakier stuff. I suggested a lower rate but I'll go more often which would leave her with more money instead she wanted the going rate. Much like you, I decided to cut the sessions down considerably, maybe once in a few months. She admitted to me she was quite slow in the past few months so it would make sense for her to accommodate me best she can. There was enough here to tell me she was complacent. I repeated with her because she was the cheapest BB option, looks were decent, didn't look like she took 5 creampies that day and kinda did a thing I liked but everything esle was meh. Though it was her choice to have it her way, it would be best to have some customer loyalty or extras to keep them happy. To her, I was just another generic customer.