"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369929]I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.[/QUOTE]When I first started out, I would give a POT a small donation for a M&G. But I've definitely changed my ways since then. I'll pay for the coffee / drinks / meal / whatever. I'll even give some gas money if she drove a fair distance to come see me. But I absolutely will not give a POT some sugar just to come and have drinks or coffee or dinner with me, unless the M&G leads to the FC or I get some sort of sex play out of the date. More than a few POTs have declined to meet me because they wouldn't be getting paid to have coffee with me. Fine with me.

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369931]I had a SA account and was fairly successful making contact with potentials. Was wondering is if any of the other sites (e.g. SD4ME) were worth it.[/QUOTE]A few brothers report that different areas around the country seem to have different success rates with some of the various arrangement sites. SD4 ME seems to have a good selection depending on your location, but frequent reports (my own included) are that recurring billing is very difficult to stop. Take that into account when providing a payment method should you decide to give that site a go. SDToday is a totally free site, but you get what you pay for. I believe a couple brothers have had some mixed results there, myself included. Any other sites are too small or haven't had very many reports given.

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369929]I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.[/QUOTE]Exactly, like you say, it is a meet and greet. Analogy would be an interview. They don't pay you to show up for the interview. I don't think anything is wrong with treating it like it is a casual date wherein you pick up the tab for whatever you do. However, it can be productive as you get to meet each other and if you are to each other's likings, then you can set some guidelines for your relationship at that time.

As things tend to go, one of you or the other may wish to modify from time to time, and being flexible is in my opinion a good thing. But know your limits and respect hers.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2370259]When I first started out, I would give a POT a small donation for a M&G. But I've definitely changed my ways since then. I'll pay for the coffee / drinks / meal / whatever. I'll even give some gas money if she drove a fair distance to come see me. But I absolutely will not give a POT some sugar just to come and have drinks or coffee or dinner with me, unless the M&G leads to the FC or I get some sort of sex play out of the date. More than a few POTs have declined to meet me because they wouldn't be getting paid to have coffee with me. Fine with me.[/QUOTE]I still laugh that there are women out there that actually want money just to come out and meet you. LOL good luck ladies, enjoy your 6 cats!!

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369929]I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you run into the ones that think you should pay them to sit and look pretty. I have never done that. When they request that, I tell them I will gladly pay the expense of the date itself, coffee, dinner, drinks, but I will not pay them for showing up for that. I tell them that I do not pay to sit and talk to them. I can get that at home for free. The sugar doesn't start until the panties hit the floor. They will try and tell you that your investing in a future arrangement. I ask them if they pay to go on a job interview. About half of them go silent at that point. The other half will meet you anyway. The ones that meet you without the sugar are the ones that are serious about an arrangement. The other ones are merely looking to turn you into their personal ATM. For those young ladies, I just say NEXT!

Speaking of that, last summer I me an extremely hot 46 why / o MILF on SA. She lives 2 towns over from me, so it has been very convenient. We had met for lunch at a diner the first date and all went well. She had agreed to FC trips for $150. These were non stop sucking and fucking for the entire 3 hours we had the SS. During the m&g, I had established, and she understood, that I was not going to be her personal ATM. Well, shortly after the first of the year she would ask for an advance. Reluctantly, I did that for her because she was in a tight spot a couple of times. We would meet later in the week at the FC and I didn't have to give her any sugar, so she was making good on it. Now the problem is this is starting to happen way too often. I think I need to cut her loose now as she seems to be turning Nando1 on me. Well, it was good while it lasted. NEXT!

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2370593] The other ones are merely looking to turn you into their personal ATM. For those young ladies, I just say NEXT![/QUOTE]Having had an escort try to turn me into her personal ATM, I can certainly relate that 1) nobody likes that, and 2) you don't want to go down that road. They will have no shortage of emergencies that they need a little help with. And they may be true, some of them anyways. But at the very least you have to ask yourself "do I want to have such an arragment with a woman whose life is so full of crisis financial situations and I'm the person for some reason she goes to for help with all of them?

Yeah. No!

On the other hand, you are the sugar daddy and you got to take care of your baby to keep the sugar sweet. I'm fortunate that my lady on the side has other more generous and capable suitors and my relatively small donation helps smooth out the slow times for her.

Well Brothers.

Just an update on life in the bowl in the midwest. Started the year with a 19 yo white 9/9/9. Had been seeing her for months. She developed a serious boyfriend and needed to stop. Left on good terms. Found a 24 yo with small daughter. She is a social worker and in between jobs. She also has her own apartment that we can use! Nice curly hair and banging body. Pretty submissive. Keeps my cock in her mouth a good portion of the time. I started off taking just a couple of pictures with her and offering her the ability to delete them, but on the next date just started videoing her-Wow!! Seemed like it made her more freaky!! I see her every 2 weeks.

Then one day a girl popped up on SA that lived 1 town over. Tall with a nice rack. 19 yo. College student. Took me several try's to get her to respond to me. We started texting each other. Met at a local hotel- no m&g. She is awesome. She very much likes to please and really likes the gifts I bring her-lingerie, panties. She lives with her mother so I have to rent a room, but she has been taking 125 per visit and she sends me awesome pics every week.

So then on my weekly business trip 3 hours away I found an 18 yo. 5'4" 100 lb spinner. We exchanged messages on SA for several weeks and she agreed to meet me for oral sex and a massage. She same to my hotel and we talked for over an hour. She then said we can have sex I know you are not a creep. She is very quiet but was up for anything. I especially enjoyed having her hang her head off the bed and deep throating her! She had never done anything like that. She has had a hard life. Screwed up parents, some sexual abuse, but trying to improve herself and has taken her little brother in to protect him from bad family situation. Next time she said we could watch a movie afterwards and she would spend the night with me.

So I started the year down and depressed because I lost my SB and didn't think it could get any better, and now I have three!! I should probably drop one, but that is a hard choice!!

I know it has been brought up on here before, it is interesting to see the amount of mental illness in these girls. All 4 of the girls I have seen on SA have had depression or bipolar issues, or a bad childhood with some sexual abuse. These factors must somehow cause them to seek out SA or other sites like it. They have all been good girls trying to improve their situation and go to school but just sad to hear their stories.

I love reading other members stories and have learned a lot from this thread!

Someone just thanked me via PM for my 5 step plan. It made me recall my first M&G. I was so nervous driving to the restaurant I got into a car accident on the way there.

So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.

Need advice. I stepped my game up and I'm only committing time to girls 8+. I have a M&G tonight at a 5 star dinner spot. She'll likely be one of the most wholesome girls I've meet up with. She ignored msgs for weeks, finally responded and after a few days of chatting on the SA site, we've confirmed a dinner date. Her stats 22/ Mixed / Law School student 10/10/10, says she had a SD relationship before. Her expectations say "negotiable".

In our chats, the convo hasn't shifted to an arrangement or allowance. This is the first girl I'd consider a LTR SB. How do I get a girl like this to drop the panties quickly?

All my past successes or first night BBBJ or FC came after a bar or lounge was involved. I typically wear a suit, no tie, nice cologne and bring a wad of cash to pay for everything. After a couple of drinks we're kissing, petting and things move on quickly. Because this girls temperment has been even and hard to read I don't know what to anticipate.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2371079]So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.[/QUOTE]Sometimes these situations provide an opportunity to extend the boundaries of what you can do. Something that she would not put on the table before? Now might be a good time to get it included as part of the deal.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2371079]So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.[/QUOTE]Once they crash through the Nando 1 sound barrier there is probably no return. But since she has been such a good provider for you it might be worth having THE Talk. Set the rules for payment only at the time of service and stick to it. OTOH if she has been true to her word and provided when she said she would, and if you do not let her get too far ahead of you it might be worth seeing her through this crisis. I had one like her who I allowed to sweet talk me a little too far ahead. I ended up cutting her loose with $300 unpaid credit. My bad since I let it happen.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2371079]So now she has lost her job. We all know what that means. Stixxer is 100% right. She will now up her game on all the crisis in her life. Fortunately I am in Florida until next week so she knows I cannot front her any funds. However, if she doesn't find a job by the time I get back I think I will have to go radio silent on her. Anybody have any other thoughts on this? I'm thinking it's time to move on. She's a fun gal and I enjoy hanging out with her. Sex is off the charts and she is fun to talk to. But. I shopuld probably re-read this thread to confirm that I am on the right track. After all, it's just pussy at the end of the day and I can always find a new one.[/QUOTE]My advice in this particular circumstance always is to follow your gut and don't advance an amount you're not prepared to lose. I've advanced sugar twice in my entire sugar career. Once to my first legitimate SB and once to a different SB I was seeing at a different point in time. When those particular SBs asked, I felt that they were trustworthy enough and that we had a good enough relationship that I felt comfortable advancing them the requested amount. And both times, each SB made good on making up the advance back to me under the conditions that we had agreed upon. Just go with your instincts.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2371361]My advice in this particular circumstance always is to follow your gut and don't advance an amount you're not prepared to lose. [/QUOTE]Very true. Once the money is spent, don't count on anything more than you have already gotten. Personally I have lost thousands doing this. I always think of them as investments. Sometimes they pay off and mostly they don't.

Gentlemen,

Many of you know that I prefer SA over SD4Me. At least in my area, the former has a consistently higher quality of baby, and it is where all of my long-term, ATF relationships have come from. Every once in a while, however, little Scottie gets it into his head that we should just see what SD4Me had to offer, just for a month, and so I relent and sign us up. It has been my experience that the SD4Me little fish are some of the most fantastic fucks I have had, full of energy, enthusiasm and creativity, but their lack of anything interesting beyond that, at least for me, causes me to lose interest sooner rather than later.

My observations also are that while the babies on SD are a little sleazier, there are more masquerading pros, and at least this time around I have encountered several scammers who have a beautifully-written text with stolen pictures, and when they email me the English is haphazard and difficult to follow at best. I can't figure out what the angle is, since I would eventually want to meet them in person, and if they are, as I suspect, Eastern European dudes, the party would stop then and there.

That said, I did have an m&g this morning with a gorgeous baby, originally from Ukraine, that quickly progressed from coffee to a near-by motel. One other truism about SD babies is that they tend to be happier with a smaller amount of sugar than their sisters on SA, which at present is good for me, since work is spotty at the moment. In any event, as I was taking her clothes off, I revealed a massive bruise on the right side of her entire body, which I have to admit gave me pause. When I asked her what was up with that, she detailed a remarkable story, which I condense here for the sake of brevity.

One day last week, she was riding in the car of a male friend of hers, who she didn't really know all that well, when a police car pulled up behind them and put on its lights. Instead of pulling over like any smart person would do, the guy floors it and leads the cops on a high-speed car chase, which ends when the dude runs a stop light and gets t-boned in the intersection on the passenger side of the car, right where this baby was sitting. The cops leap out, guns drawn, and make them both lie down on the ground, cuff them and take them in to the station, where the guy is arrested for outstanding drug-related warrants, and the baby, once it is determined she was an innocent passenger, is released. She's pissed at the guy for trying to outrun the cops, clearly, but also because they were on their way to another friend's house where they were going to smoke some weed and get drunk.

We are both naked as she is telling me all this, and while she has a stunning body to go along with the gorgeous face, I'm finding the end-to-end bruise a bit of a turn off. Scottie has lost most of his focus as well, and I'm thinking about all the sage advice on this thread about avoiding Nando 1's at all cost. Eventually, however, I decided that since the room was paid for, and neither one of us had clothes on, the polite thing would be to go ahead and bang her, which I did.

But my question, or perhaps challenge is a better word, to you all is this: who has a more insane story about a Nando 1 that they would like to share? I think to be fair it has to be a single incident, and not a repeating pattern of insanity. Something to do with weapons, or pit bulls, or maybe both. I have in the dim recess of my memory a story on this thread about some baby's estranged BF starting the house on fire while the brother was in bed with her. Maybe I'm making that up, but THAT would be a great story to hear again.

As always, it is great to see all the new faces in the clubhouse.

Keep up the good work, and let's share those Nando Tales!

Peace,

Scott.
PS when I got back home I googled her email address and several mug shots of her came up, all drug-related incidents, including one where she apparently called a pharmacy and tried to impersonate a doctor phoning in a prescription for herself for oxies, I assume, and was arrested when she showed up to buy them. That was back in 2013, so I'm sure she has cleaned up her act since then lol!

[QUOTE=BeardedMan67;2370870]Well Brothers.

I know it has been brought up on here before, it is interesting to see the amount of mental illness in these girls. All 4 of the girls I have seen on SA have had depression or bipolar issues, or a bad childhood with some sexual abuse. These factors must somehow cause them to seek out SA or other sites like it. They have all been good girls trying to improve their situation and go to school but just sad to hear their stories.

[/QUOTE]I agree, it is interesting and sad at the same time. Between high-strung anxiety, flipping off the handle if you're a few minutes late, and other issues, yeah it can be difficult. One girl I was with briefly she was a young former military gal and she told me about her PTSD but she's working trying to pay bills for her and her daughter I believe it was. I'm sure she'll be fine, she had her stuff together pretty good. But yeah, crazy family issues, bipolar, sexual abuse. I think it just makes it harder to maintain steady relationships over time. "Normal relationships" you might say so other less committed arrangments seem to work better.

What does that say about us, hahaha!

First, as always, I appreciate all the advice offered here by my Brothers. This is what makes this forum so priceless. I told my SB MILF this evening via text that due to changing financial circumstances I will no longer be in a position to advance any funds for any reason. As expected, she went on a rant about how I was supposed to be taking care of her in her time of need. I reminded her about our ATM discussion and that she had totally violated what she agreed to. I said that helping her out and what she has progressed to are two separate things. I have now blocked her number on my phone. In a word, NEXT!

Anyone else have issues like this? I find it hard to believe in this day and age. I like companies that use reputable (I've never had a problem with, anyways) billing like CCBill and what have you like that.

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Also.

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So what are some ways around thi? Using a prepaid card I suppose? Knowing that likely will be the case, I don't want to use my regular card.

This is disheartening, because honestly SD4 M seemed to have sweeter SB (assuming the profiles were legit) than SA, for my area. Unless I can find a secure way around like a prepaid card that I can keep loaded or let run out at my discretion.

Lmao. I love how polite we Sd's are in dealing with our babies!

QUOTE=F Scott;2371399 Gentlemen.

Eventually, however, I decided that since the room was paid for, and neither one of us had clothes on, the polite thing would be to go ahead and bang her, which I did.

Got into an argument with a pretty good SB from SA. Face 8, body 7. 24 school teacher. We had some great dates, I probably over spent on them. Before setting up a third date, we start to discuss an allowance. I already mentioned I'd give her $$ for our next meet to take care of traffic ticket while we were out previously.

She went into this script trying to get me to commit to a monthly allowance. She didn't even give an amount for me to counter. She got so lost in this tirade about me not offering her a proposal that she forgot about the $$ I agreed to for our next meet. Her angle was she didn't want to agree to a per meet allowance. However, she admitted that she wants to have sex with me. I felt like she's been getting into from somewhere and is following recommendations to a "T".

I'm on to the next now. But the babies keep coming. I've saw a profile on line of a girl I meet at a bar in real life. I got her number previously and never called. Don't think I'll reach out to her via SA. I'm realizing there's a sugar epidemic!

'Massage Specialists'.

Any intel of this cutie? She's in the Ashland area. Very nice picture of a hot blonde. She did answer an email but going back and forth at this point.

"Massage Specialists".

"We are two open minded females currently in a domestic partnership that specialize in sensual massages, exotic dances and ect. Please email for details. Prices negotiable depending on what we can do for you ".

[URL]http://richmond.craigslist.org/crs/4891049474.html[/URL]

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gacac;2372455]'Massage Specialists'.

Any intel of this cutie? She's in the Ashland area. Very nice picture of a hot blonde. She did answer an email but going back and forth at this point.

"Massage Specialists".

"We are two open minded females currently in a domestic partnership that specialize in sensual massages, exotic dances and ect. Please email for details. Prices negotiable depending on what we can do for you ".

[URL]http://richmond.craigslist.org/crs/4891049474.html[/URL]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]And already deleted by Author.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2372254]

She went into this script trying to get me to commit to a monthly allowance. She didn't even give an amount for me to counter. She got so lost in this tirade about me not offering her a proposal that she forgot about the $$ I agreed to for our next meet. Her angle was she didn't want to agree to a per meet allowance. [/QUOTE]I had this conversation recently. I calmly agreed to a monthly allowance-paid at the END of the month. I pointed out that most everyone gets paid after they have rendered services, and that if we have the excellent level of trust that she believes, this shouldn't be a problem for her. That was the end of that discussion.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2372254]Got into an argument with a pretty good SB from SA. Face 8, body 7. 24 school teacher.[/QUOTE]OK, I want to know where this evaluation is for you guys's numbers. Is there a grading rubric somewhere, or an algorithm you plug into your computer to get these ratings? LOL Yours is pretty straight forward, but I've seen some that are like 8. 5/7. 2/9. 1/8. 6.

Also, while I'm asking. When there are 3 or 4 numbers like that, what do the numbers mean.

I get it is like body / face / something / something. Maybe boobs and butt, or legs? I have searched and I haven't found it yet.

I've been home from my long period out of the country for a few weeks and have been busy rebuilding my lineup in preparation for a spring and summer of sugaring. I thought I would share some of my results.

SB1 is my only holdover from last year. She is 23, white, 7/7/9/9 and was a true first timer. I continue to see her once a week and she gushes for me on command. She is a very sweet girl, tells me she has never had sex like this in her life, and will see me as often as I am willing. She also understand that work will take me out of town for weeks at a time sometimes and is willing to start right back up when I get home. She is no longer on SA. Her allowance is 120 every time we meet.

My first M&G when I got into town was with an Asian girl, 25,8/7/6/6. We met for lunch and I had a difficult time drawing her out into conversation. Afterwards, feeling I had nothing to lose, I suggested we hang out at my place for a while and to my surprise, she agreed. She was extremely submissive and we were soon in the FC. She was only okay in bed and indicated that she didn't enjoy giving oral. With so many options on the table right now, I have not been back in touch and have not heard anything from her.

The only Pot that I've worked on that didn't come from SA I met in the strip club. She is 28, recently went through a bad divorce, has three kids, has the best body of any woman with three kids I've ever seen. She has a good job but the divorce put her in a financial bind so she has been dancing to make ends meet. She has a goal in mind and a 6 month plan to quit the club. We had some good conversation and I felt the potential SB vibe was there, so I asked her to dinner. She agreed and gave me her number, but then flaked on me the day of the dinner. She doesn't really come across as the typical stripper, but has shown the need for extra cash, so I a continuing to work her and hope that this will be my first non-online generated baby.

Next up was SB2, my 25 year old white 8/9/8/8. In my initial letter to her I had mentioned my 120 allowance and she responded that everything in my letter sounded good to her. We met for lunch and she expressed interest moving forward. When I texted to schedule our second date, we got into a discussion about sex, and she stated that "she didn't F* on the first few dates. " She has a perfect little spinner body, and we had shared a very nice kiss that held promise at the end of our M&G, so I decided to put up with a little more BS from her than normal. It took three dates, and I even broke a rule and gave her a little cash on the third, but I finally closed the deal and she was well worth it. She will be over tomorrow for a sleep over and is on the summer lineup.

Two more M&G's produced Pots that I haven't closed on but still have hopes for. The first is white, 23,7/7/7/? And I believe is a true first timer. She had agreed to meet for a second date at my place with an understanding of play-time but got cold feet. She lives way across town, so she's been on the back burner, though I texted her and we've discussed trying again this weekend. She is heavier than in her profile pics, but still cute, kind of spacey, and agreed to 120 allowance. I will keep in touch and if it happens it happens. The other Pot is 23, white, 9/9/8/? She is beautiful and has a smoking body and has been around the SB block before. She told me her last SD gave her a credit card and 500 per visit, but ultimately cut her loose. I told her that she had been very fortunate and that kind of allowance wouldn't be possible for me. She is in a bind a for cash and may be headed for UTR land, so we finally agreed to 200. She also live across town and she balked at driving out to see me, so we haven't made the FC. I normally wouldn't commit to 200, but she is really hot, is totally my type, and we had fun at the M&G so I may spring for it a few times as a booty call situation just to see how it goes. We are supposed to try again to get together Saturday.

Finally, today I met a unicorn. I had contacted an 18 year old Latina spinner 9/10/8/8 on her first day on SA. We emailed and texted a few times, and our schedules didn't match up. I had to cancel our first M&G due to a work issue and she politely told me that she wouldn't be able to reschedule. I waited a week and sent her another email to let her know I was still interested and again she declined. Another week goes by and I had about forgotten her when she texts out of the blue and suggests coffee, followed by "whatever I wanted to do". I jumped on it. We chatted over coffee for a few minutes and I suggested we drive to my place and she agreed. I will never forget the next hour and a half. After, I slipped 120 into her purse as I drove her back to her car. We had not discussed allowance so I was worried that it might not be what she was expecting. I texted her later in the day thanking her for a wonderful time and saying I hoped to see her again soon. It was several hours before she responded and I was worried that she was going silent. Finally I got a response saying she had a couple of hours free before work tomorrow. She is definitely on my roster for as long as she wants to be.

So, my calendar is full once again (maybe too full). I have several other girls who want to meet, a couple of whom have agreed to 120 up front that I just don't have time for. I have another 4 weeks coming up out of town, expect that will result in some attrition, but I think I'm in good shape overall. I plan on narrowing my geographic circle as driving 30-40 minutes each way to see someone is cutting into my time too much. If only I didn't have to work!

[QUOTE=Gacac;2372455]'Massage Specialists'.

Any intel of this cutie? She's in the Ashland area. Very nice picture of a hot blonde. She did answer an email but going back and forth at this point.

"Massage Specialists".

"We are two open minded females currently in a domestic partnership that specialize in sensual massages, exotic dances and ect. Please email for details. Prices negotiable depending on what we can do for you ".

[URL]http://richmond.craigslist.org/crs/4891049474.html[/URL]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Contacted her on SA and she wants someone to " take her on shopping sprees and treat her like a princess. " I left the door open for a PTP visit and she did not bite. Clearly she is separating her escort self from SB status.

" what do the numbers mean " ? Stixxer a= face / be=body / c=sex skills / d=overall satisfaction.

Desperado-You and Hollywood seem to have the corner on cost effectiveness $100/120 Good job! I'm sure location plays a big part but dating game seals the deal. If you can take them out, wine and dine them, then have a place to take them back to the atmosphere is more like an IRL date and the girls feel more like a princess and less like a hooker. Those of us who can't do that have less success or pay more for the hooker treatment.

So here is my roundup:

SB #1 40+ 9/9/7/7 predictable but I need to get her game up to 8+. Meanwhile I am looking for a replacement team.

Pot #1 Mixed 7/7/? 22 yr old -a little ghetto but interesting looking. If the M&G leads to the FC she will need to perform at an 8+ to be a keeper. I will take a 7 all day over a 9 if the performance is great.

Pot # 2 Hispanic 19 yr old 8/7. 5 /? Same thing. Got both M&Gs same day this weekend. If both go to the FC I might have to double dip my chemical enhancement.

Pot#3 white 9/9/? 21 yr old. She is the best looking so I hope she works out later this weekend. She might be GPS.

The tab averages $150 -200.

[QUOTE=Stixxer;2372846]OK, I want to know where this evaluation is for you guys's numbers. Is there a grading rubric somewhere, or an algorithm you plug into your computer to get these ratings? LOL Yours is pretty straight forward, but I've seen some that are like 8. 5/7. 2/9. 1/8. 6.

Also, while I'm asking. When there are 3 or 4 numbers like that, what do the numbers mean.

I get it is like body / face / something / something. Maybe boobs and butt, or legs? I have searched and I haven't found it yet.[/QUOTE]Face / body / attitude / skills or substitute personality for attitude.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2373464]
Desperado-You and Hollywood seem to have the corner on cost effectiveness $100/120 Good job! I'm sure location plays a big part but dating game seals the deal. If you can take them out, wine and dine them, then have a place to take them back to the atmosphere is more like an IRL date and the girls feel more like a princess and less like a hooker. Those of us who can't do that have less success or pay more for the hooker treatment.

So here is my roundup:[/QUOTE]If I wasn't single I think I would get decent single apt which would be about the same as 10 FC visits a month in my area.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2372926]

Two more M&G's produced Pots that I haven't closed on but still have hopes for. The first is white, 23,7/7/7/? And I believe is a true first timer. She had agreed to meet for a second date at my place with an understanding of play-time but got cold feet. She lives way across town, so she's been on the back burner, though I texted her and we've discussed trying again this weekend. She is heavier than in her profile pics, but still cute, kind of spacey, and agreed to 120 allowance. I will keep in touch and if it happens it happens. [/QUOTE]My first timer just texted and wants to meet. She is currently driving 50 minutes to see me this afternoon. I'm going to need a day off soon. I have date tonight with SB2!

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2373768]My first timer just texted and wants to meet. She is currently driving 50 minutes to see me this afternoon. I'm going to need a day off soon. I have date tonight with SB2![/QUOTE]I did a double date in the same room last Sunday. I must be getting older because I had to hold back on the first one to have enough left over for the second one. But since the first one is a no sugar babe and the second one owed me a favor, I got the whole day for a $ total including the room. Date one was with my "little girl" Sugar. I will keep seeing her maybe once a month. The second was with my MILF that I hadn't seen in 4 months. I think I may just end it or see her only if I am desperate as the thrill has gone down.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2373876]I did a double date in the same room last Sunday. [/QUOTE]How did that work out? I have been thinking about the same tactic because I have 3 girls who live on the other side of town ( 45 min drive each way with no traffic). None of them have transportation so I have to go over, pick them up, bring them back and then take them home. I was thinking about getting a room on Sunday and trying to get two of them in in one day to save all the driving. I just wonder if whoever is second is going to catch an attitude about the sheets being mussed or finding a hair on the pillow. None of these three have been to the FC yet, though they've all indicated complete willingness.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2373946]How did that work out? I have been thinking about the same tactic because I have 3 girls who live on the other side of town ( 45 min drive each way with no traffic). None of them have transportation so I have to go over, pick them up, bring them back and then take them home. I was thinking about getting a room on Sunday and trying to get two of them in in one day to save all the driving. I just wonder if whoever is second is going to catch an attitude about the sheets being mussed or finding a hair on the pillow. None of these three have been to the FC yet, though they've all indicated complete willingness.[/QUOTE]I've been able to use a room twice several times by scheduling an early evening FC visit on the day of check-in, going home for the night, then meeting #2 the next morning before check-out (ask for late check out, almost always granted). Never had an issue with mussed sheets. Just told girl #2 I had spent the night there. Actually kinda fun, banging two different girls in the same bed. He he he.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2373737]Face / body / attitude / skills or substitute personality for attitude.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Hollywood.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2373464]

" what do the numbers mean " ? Stixxer a= face / be=body / c=sex skills / d=overall satisfaction.
[/QUOTE]Makes sense. Thanks, Fred.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2373946]How did that work out? I have been thinking about the same tactic because I have 3 girls who live on the other side of town ( 45 min drive each way with no traffic). None of them have transportation so I have to go over, pick them up, bring them back and then take them home. I was thinking about getting a room on Sunday and trying to get two of them in in one day to save all the driving.[/QUOTE]How about just have them all over there with you together!

Although I'm sure there's all kinds of ways that situation could go from sweet to sour really quick.

Took out a 10/10 for dinner and drinks the other night. The girl was gorgeous. She mentioned she's had a good experience so far on the SA site, but didn't reveal too much info nor did I ask. I told her I'd like to see more of her and would like to discuss it on our next meet. Based on my experience so far, she's been the best quality girl I've been out with.

Since I'm initiating the negotiations, any pointers? I don't think she'll go for a per-date arrangement. I think it'll be a monthly or maybe bi-weekly, which is the most sensible. She's a full-time grad student and lists expectations as "practical". Her bio only mentions someone to hangout with, provide assistance when needed and ideally something long-term.

In the past, most of the girls that I didn't like so much but we're tolerable brought up the arrangement discussion. I of course didn't budge on not paying $1. 00 (a single buck) and got all the free goods I could get before communication dwindled. With this girl I'm making the leap first. I'd prefer not to agree on a set amount, but I could provide varying amounts depending on my finances. Also, if I put my time into 1 SB per month I'll likely save money. I've spent way to much on random M&G's already.

This date made me want to change my approach. I'm probably going to let go some of the 6 face / 10 bed chicks too. The young 10 bed chicks have mostly enjoyed the nights on the town, no $ required. I'll have memories of the outstanding BBBJ CIM and the wild sex, but I'm cutting them loose in pursuits of SBs I can actually click with and enjoy their company.

Advice on SBs that have LTR potential?

Curious if any guys have been able to pull of a threesome with these girls. I've causally mentioned it during the heat of sex to a couple of the girls and they have all been agreeable. Ihaven't actually tried to make it work yet. Just curious if anyone has brought two sugar babies together for the purpose of a threesome.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2373946]How did that work out? I have been thinking about the same tactic because I have 3 girls who live on the other side of town ( 45 min drive each way with no traffic). None of them have transportation so I have to go over, pick them up, bring them back and then take them home. I was thinking about getting a room on Sunday and trying to get two of them in in one day to save all the driving. I just wonder if whoever is second is going to catch an attitude about the sheets being mussed or finding a hair on the pillow. None of these three have been to the FC yet, though they've all indicated complete willingness.[/QUOTE]I've done this a number of times and have never had the girls say anything. My last time was check in around noon. Date #1 was 2 pm-4 pm. Date #2 was about 9 pm-11 pm and then Date #3 was the following morning. I was exhausted. .

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2373982]I've been able to use a room twice several times by scheduling an early evening FC visit on the day of check-in, going home for the night, then meeting #2 the next morning before check-out (ask for late check out, almost always granted). Never had an issue with mussed sheets. Just told girl #2 I had spent the night there. Actually kinda fun, banging two different girls in the same bed. He he he.[/QUOTE]I normally call the front desk and ask my room to be made up. I always book someone I trust to show for the 3 pm check in. Then do a m&g with a pot I have a good vibe with.

After a FC session with a trusted SB, I have the room made up while I am out on a m&g. If the m&g goes well, no questions asked. Plus I get a new bottle of travel size shampoo and soap for when I am at the gym at work.