"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

As they say, [i]a man is only as faithful as his options. [/i]

If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.

Not to toot our own horns in this forum, while we may not be multi-million dollar sugar daddies, we are guys with some money. The majority of us are spending a minimum of $1000 a month on our Sugar Bowl activities (when you include all the costs involved). Even with all the knowledge and experience available on this forum, you still need enough money to ante up to get yourself in the sugar game. I'm guessing most guys here are probably spending between 12-24K per year on their sugar activities, so if you're making 30-40K annually, sugar babies aren't really an option unless you just see one with a really low CPO.

The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.

And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).

These things are allowing us to follow our ingrained instincts to spread our seed as much as possible, more so than Joe Blow who may not have the money or the means. Doesn't make us more "evil" than Joe Blow, we just have more options. And guys like Tiger Woods are several magnitudes above us in terms of options, but fundamentally we're all basically the same.

I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang. And you might end up doing stupid things or take unnecessary risks to get it. Is it an addiction or diet change, I'll let you decide.

As for kids, that's the only flaw with man's desire to bang as many women as possible. Kids do best with both a strong male and female (or dual parent if you want to be PC) presence in the household. So it makes sense why women in general instinctually want to attach themselves to a single man to look after their offspring. I think though a more natural arrangement for man would be similar to a Lion Pride or a polygamous marriage. A man can have as many women and children as he can support or protect. So it wouldn't be about trying to tie down a man into a monogamous relationship which just goes against our natural behavior. But it would be about making sure a man takes care of his responsibilities whatever they may be.

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1734930]"why the fuck are you so interested in who I'm fucking, you god-damned, self-righteous, arrogant, perverted fucktard?"

[noparse]/[/noparse]z[/QUOTE]Amen brother. Hahaha. Pun intended!

Revvo

My definition of an addict any addict, is when the addiction becomes more important than the daily routines of life that most of us must persue to be a so-called responsible and productive individual or member of society. Is your gas bill late because you spent it on a ho? Did you call in late for work because you were cruising some track at 3 am the night before? Is your marraige in shambles due to calls coming in at odd hours and unexplained blond hairs in the car? Do you feel beat up or are you damaged physically in some way due to excessive sex?

I say if you do your job, take care of your family responsibilities, maintain your health with diet and exercise and regular trips to the dr, then however much sex you have or spend time looking for is a hobby. Can you be addicted to your hobby? I have friends that spend as much or more time and money on fishing than some of us do on pussy.

But since the beginning of time sex, power and money have been the biggest motivators for man to be a success. I don't care much for power only in as much as it helps me to maintain the iconoclastic and eclectic california lifestyle I so enjoy. And yes I am a workoholic. I love money and the things it can buy. So am I an addict or just passionate about the things I love?

And to all the player haters out there (and hopefully there are none in here)... nana nana nana. LOL

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1735210]As they say, [i]a man is only as faithful as his options. [/i]

If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.

The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.

And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).

I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang.[/QUOTE]Having just spent the entire day holed up in a hotel with a Shiny New Baby yesterday, I agree that once you have fucked a twenty-something or two, there is no going back. This gorgeous baby's skin was flawless, and her body is close to perfect. Why in the world would any sane man want to settle for anything less, given the fact that he has, as you say, access to the fresh poontang? Since I started playing in the Bowl, I've fucked babies hotter than I would ever have had the courage to approach when I was their age! It continually amazes me that this world exists, and that there seems to be an unending supply of new babies every day! What a world!

Scheduled for an overnight with SNB on Thursday at another chic hotel (Hotels. Com is my new best friend) , and a romp with a tall, artistic redhead at her place (hooray for me) on Wednesday. Life is good.

Scott

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1733917]1. Fuck the wife with the same frequency in the same old way.[/QUOTE]I don't have this problem anymore, but it was damn difficult when I did."Pace yourself" is my only advice there.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1733917]3. Our electronic media is our undoing.[/QUOTE]Quite true, and it even goes back to the "paper trail" from before email and cell phones. Pay cash for everything hobby- or sugar-related. Discard receipts safely. Don't keep phone cards or slips of paper in your wallet or coat pocket. Establish a cleansing routine, and don't stray from it.

In short, don't fuck up.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1734790]You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before.

I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:

1. Utilities under someone else's name.

2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.

I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?

I couldn't agree more. I'm a single man and I can't see myself getting married now. This game has spoiled me to the utmost. I love every part of it the from the chase to the kill!

[QUOTE=West Central;1735276]I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before.[/QUOTE]"World domination". Yeah man. That's it. It almost sounds patriotic. Damn straight, I am a loyal American, therefore I monger. Great logic! There was a famous case when some amateur mongers were taken to trial over some of their antics, and this is how they handled it. I think we can all learn something from this. Here is the clip: Take special notice around 1:00 minutes into the trial.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw[/url]

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1734273]Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.

REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.

REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.

REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.

REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.

Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.

Be careful out there,

Revvo[/QUOTE]Seems like you got it going on. IMHO the attitude and skill or its potential of a SB trumps looks as long as there is some reasonable amount of attraction. 10s are nice but they usually come with a tude that the world owes them something. But if you can get looks, skills and attitude all together in one package then you hit the SB trifecta.

[QUOTE=West Central;1735276]I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion.[/QUOTE]I am compelled my brothers! My mission in life is to spread my seed far and wide! It is staggering how many of these HCBs (and all the rest of womanhood) are willing to sell themselves and their assets to the highest, or at least, the least unattractive highest bidder. The prize goes to the man with the most gelt.

Speaking of which, my HCB ATF SB is progressing nicely. Money is not front and center with her and she looks at me as a BF, wanting to introduce me to her circle of friends. This is good and bad. Since her FC is 90 miles away from ground zero I feel that it is unlikely that her circle will intersect with mine. But one never knows. This is that adrenaline surge that tweaks our nerves a little bit and makes the fucking later that much sweeter. I introduced her to a thundering orgasm last visit and discovered a few of her sweet spots to explore more this week. She might need a little spanking, so I will test the water there.

My former Ex regular HCB is still in the game. She likes my company even though she does not seem to be into sex, or sexually into me anyway. I approached her as a GF / BF option since I had to back off from a regular allowance and my new ATF is more sexually enjoyable. She tolerates sex so any load in a baby's pussy is good.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1735237]Having just spent the entire day holed up in a hotel with a Shiny New Baby yesterday, I agree that once you have fucked a twenty-something or two, there is no going back. This gorgeous baby's skin was flawless, and her body is close to perfect. Why in the world would any sane man want to settle for anything less, given the fact that he has, as you say, access to the fresh poontang? Since I started playing in the Bowl, I've fucked babies hotter than I would ever have had the courage to approach when I was their age! It continually amazes me that this world exists, and that there seems to be an unending supply of new babies every day! What a world!

Scheduled for an overnight with SNB on Thursday at another chic hotel (Hotels. Com is my new best friend) , and a romp with a tall, artistic redhead at her place (hooray for me) on Wednesday. Life is good.

Scott[/QUOTE]You may like hotelguides dot com as well. The big difference is with this one you don't pay up front. You reserve and pay when you arrive. Usually you can cancel up to 24hrs before with no charge. So if plans fall through with SB you are not as stuck. Now you just have a hard on problem not a loss of money problem too.

Animal House, a classic American guide to understanding male behavior. Hoo Rah I say!

So those upstanding young men did not pay a cent for their Babies. So howw Do WE do it? Appeal to their sense of Motherhood and apple pie? To their duty to go forth and multiply. To assure that the protectors and progenitors of our Nation, yea our World, are well supported in our quest to protect and serve? Or all of the above? I feel a new profile "about me " taking shape We don't need money my men, we need America!

America Daddy for Me (About me) : An American Patriot looking for a dedicated woman who desires protection, respect, and household security. A man who has your back (and front) , who will keep your world safe from desperate men who would attempt to lure you to their bedchambers with money. Heaven forbid that heinous animal who thinks money can solve the world's problems. No! Just say NO! And write me right now. I WILL protect you and take care of those needs that only a Patriot knows you need taking care of. God Bless America My number is UP.

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1735392]I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:

1. Utilities under someone else's name.

2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.

I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?[/QUOTE]I've thought of this as well. Compared to hotel rooms several times a month, this could be a cheaper, and nicer option. I'm interested in the collective wisdon on this.

Scott

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1734795]Well Said. I completely agree.

"Hi. My name is BigTigger and I'm an addict".[/QUOTE]I couldn't help it. I started literally laughing out loud.

About 2 months ago I was driving home thinking to myself what the hell is wrong with me? Now I know, thanks to all of you for all of your help!