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[QUOTE=Wannatry461;7370042]I got a little excited. They said if I didn't pay they would kill my ex wife. That would save me $1000.00 a month in alimony. I haven't paid them.
Also they said I has wasted his girls time by sending her a text. If her rate is 200 that is a out. O3 a second. I was going to send him. 50 cents and tell him to keep the change.[/QUOTE]Woopsie! Accidentally sent the Ex-W's address and schedule!
[QUOTE=NikkororSony;7368693]Apologies up front for the long post. But being that I am just getting back steady into the hobby, I am struggling to understand where a lot of these women are coming from concerning their rates since Covid. Keep in mind, I started hobbying 2009-2010 ish and I have seen changes in the game, but things are bonkers right now IMHO. I had a crazy phone interaction this past week with a well known "higher-end" provider. Even though I just recently posted that I would never pay xx amount for an hour with any woman, I had the cash and thought I would look deeper into the more high-end girls in Raleigh to see what I was missing. I was speaking (Not texting) with this provider and things started off great. Her voice was luscious, she was VERY well spoken and seemed to really have a good head on her shoulders. Then I made the mistake of letting her "verify" me, which I will not do again, but I did it because she is well established here. After a couple of minutes, she calls back and I asked about rates for her time and services. She quoted a RIDICULOUS number for an hour with 2 pops but no greek. Greek was $200 extra! I never once got rude but politely told her that was more than I was willing to spend that day. I was willing to spend $600 just because of who this was, but no more. Her well spoken voice immediately turned to trailer park trash LOL. She started raising her voice and dumped a ton of laundry on herself. Now she didn't call me poor or broker, and she never said I have Sugar Daddies that pay this all the time! No, she yells "I'm penniless", "my room is only paid for through Sunday", "no gas in my car", on and on. I tried to calm her down and made her a very reasonable offer without greek and she ended up hanging up on me. Must not have been too broker, huh?
So, why are a lot of these women getting this way? Is it THEIR mindset, or OURS that causes this? Am I that out of touch with the hobby? I know there are wealthy guys who pay absurd money for pussy. But I also know that middle to upper-middle class guys like me are the VAST majority of clients. So I beg anyone who has read this far to PLEASE answer this question: Which woman in the attached photo would you choose as a LONG TERM provider in the following scenario. Here is the hypothetical info: Both of these women are the same height (Your preferred height), both are always fresh shaved and showered and both host in a decent room. Both women have really great, fun and sexy attitudes. Both offer BBBJ, cim, cof, cob and daty. They are pretty much equally skilled in all of these activities. (I am purposely leaving out BBFS as that varies wildly with both mongers and providers!) The ONLY FOUR DIFFERENCES between these two women: 1 - Their age. 2 - Their appearances due to the age difference. 3 -The price. 4 - The one on the Right does NOT offer qv or hh sessions. Keep in mind, if you spend $800 a month on this hobby, you can get laid 7 times per month with one woman, or ONCE a month with the other! So Please tell me, who will most of you guys go for, Left or Right? Thanks to anyone who read this far and comments.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by "this way"?
If you mean the poor attitude that just varies by provider. I've rejected some based on price, and gotten different responses. Some have offered a lower price. Others have just agreed not to meet if they weren't agreeing to lower the price.
I've seen reports of rude providers, so I'm sure that happens, but it's not new.
Where you found the provider also also matters. There are places to find high end escorts that are a $1000 or more. Tryst has some higher prices.
As for who I'd choose neither one. The lady that's 56 is way too old, and I'm not giving anyong $800 for a one time meeting so that also cancels out the 24 year old. I'd rather get a sugar baby. Even if cost me 3 grand a month I'd get a better deal than a one time meeting for $800. If the 56 year old drops down to early 40's I'd see her.
As far as $200 extra for Greek some women hate certain activities, and they're charge a lot more for those activities. I don't blame them for that.
I hate being on call for any employer I work for so if I took a job where I was oncall, they'd have to pay me considerably more than someone who had regular hours just because I hate the idea of being on call. The employer doesn't have to accept the higher rate, and I don't have to accept a lower rate.
I'm not judging if 200 for greek is reasonable or not. I'm saying that's their price. She may feel fine making less money, if it means no greek.
If the price for something is too much the market will let them know.
Another provider may have less clients at $1000, and prefer it over seeing more people. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
With regard to the lady being broke she may be charging too much for general services. She needs to drop her prices or provides better service. She likely decided she was worth a certain amount, but she doesn't make that decision. The visitors decide if the visit is worth it. If it is they're more likely to come back.
How much was the "high end" provider charging? Most of them list their prices to avoid anyone who can't pay them. Most people who contact them can pay the price, and don't want to spend time haggling anyway.
P.S.: This is off topic, but you need hard rules that you follow, and you need to remember to never break them. I don't like the idea of sending confirmation pictures, even if they're a higher end provider. There are providers that don't ask.
I'm less likely to see someone who doesn't have prices listed. This isn't a hard rule, but unless someone's ad is very appealing I'm not contacting them unless I know the cost.
So today during a dream I went to visit one of my favorite providers I have known for a long time. She had a friend visiting from out of town that does the same thing in VA. I speak a little bit of Korean and a very small amount of Chinese so I can understand what they are saying somewhat. I was getting ready for my massage and overheard them talking about things that some guests / customers do that earn them either a poor experience with the provider, no follow-up visits or just being blocked! So I thought I would pass these suggestions along to my fellow mongers to help you have a better, more enjoyable visit on your next adventure.
1. We all have stuff happen, but if at all possible keep your appointment times, don't be calling and trying to change your arrival times if it can be helped. It seems some people do this regularly and in extreme cases it will get your number blocked.
2. Respect their hours. This is a business or means of support for them, and they have set working hours like you do. Don't call them more than an hour or two after their normal hours or late at night drunk. You sure as hell would be pissed if your boss called you after work asking you to come back in or waking you up after you have gone to sleep. Most of these girls after work shower, eat, do laundry and go to sleep early at least the Asians, they do not stay up late mostly not past 10 or 10:30 pm. Calling after hours drunk will get you blocked as they know you will probably forget about your appointment and not show up so they will not even answer the phone if they are awake. Apparently this is a very frequent occurrence.
3. Making contact and boundaries. Most of these places or people have preferred contact means for a reason. If they ask you to call, then call and speak. If they ask for texting then text this can be important as some of them don't speak English well yet and need to use a translation app to fully understand you, even then these apps get the translation wrong so double check details.
Boundaries and behavior during your visit. If you want something, ask first. Respect and being polite is very big in Asian culture, and being polite and asking if you can touch or do something different or have them do something different first will make them a lot more responsive and willing to do it if you simply ask first instead of just grabbing them or trying to do what you want. Sometimes simply asking politely will get you what you want instead of being pushed away or told no. If you ever come back and see them in the future, they will remember you were polite and be more inclined to give you what you want, and will sometimes do it without asking for more money.
4. Cleanliness and hygiene. I thought this one would be apparent to most people, but it seems it is not. Don't show up for your time if you're dirty, dripping sweat, stink or have skid marks in your drawers! If you do, they will not want to touch you and will do as little as possible, you will definitely not get any extras or close to them. On your next visit look around I am sure you will see a big can of air freshener, it is there because this is an issue with some people.
5. This goes back to your behavior again when making contact. It seems some guys like to send pictures of themselves or parts of themselves, or tell them how much pleasure they will give them when they come to see them. DON'T do this. They will think you're a weirdo and block you, almost for sure. If you are one of the guys that do this, I am sorry to tell you, but this is not acceptable behavior for anyone and doing it makes them think you're crazy or a rapist. They don't care what you look like, they see plenty of naked men every day, you are not special.
6. There is always talk on here about how much to tip, and your own personal preferences are your own. Tip what you're comfortable with. However, your tipping amount will determine in most cases how you are treated when you want to make your next appointment or come back. If you go to an establishment, the girls tell each other if you tipped and how much, yes they do talk about you with the other girls. This will have an impact on future service if you want to come back and what you are offered.
If they have a choice of two people wanting the same time on the same day, they are going to pick the good tipper over the person that leaves the minimum. If they know you are not going to tip well, then they will do what you do, and that's as little as possible.
Private providers this is even more important, tipping well will almost always get you times that are not normally offered, either before or after normal hours. They will remember you tip well and do their best to ensure you leave happy on your next visit. Knowing you're a good tipper will again almost always open the menu more and make them more likely to do things how you want too.
I hope this advice from an older monger helps some of you.
[QUOTE=LieDetector;7372181]What do you mean by "this way"?
As far as $200 extra for Greek some women hate certain activities, and they're charge a lot more for those activities. I don't blame them for that.
[/QUOTE]Greek requires extra prep if you want it to be safe and clean. Charging extra for it seems perfectly reasonable. Your view on how much extra seems fair may be very different than the provider's view.
[QUOTE=IWonder;7376623]Greek requires extra prep if you want it to be safe and clean. Charging extra for it seems perfectly reasonable. Your view on how much extra seems fair may be very different than the provider's view.[/QUOTE]Agree, extra prep is needed. But most of these ladies doesn't even douche before the session, and it can get really messy pretty quickly.
Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]I'm using the Brave browser on mobile and have had no issues.
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]For me it's usually between 3 am and 5 am I get that message.
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]Got that with Duck. Seems some update was forcing HTTPS. I was able to turn that off for this site.
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am getting this error. Previously on Chrome, it would warn me that this site doesn't support https, do you still want to go ahead. I'd click yes and access the forums.
Now even if I manually remove 's' from https chrome still auto adds it back. Ended up downloading Firefox for mobile. I use Firefox for desktop anyway so haven't had issues there.
[QUOTE=Livinitinva;7379224]Got that with Duck. Seems some update was forcing HTTPS. I was able to turn that off for this site.[/QUOTE]It's did seem to start having the issues after the most recent IOS update rolled out this week.
I too was getting this on various devices. There's a thread on USASG about this. While I don't exactly understand it, your browser is attempting to find a secure site and is using "[URL]https://usasexguide.nl[/URL]" to reach the site. Manually delete the "s" so that the requested URL is "http://usasexguide.nl" That's what got me in.
The USASG Forum - Forum: Logging In & Posting Problems
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37918-502-bad-gateway
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;7380005]I too was getting this on various devices. There's a thread on USASG about this. While I don't exactly understand it, your browser is attempting to find a secure site and is using "[URL]https://usasexguide.nl[/URL]" to reach the site. Manually delete the "s" so that the requested URL is "http://usasexguide.nl" That's what got me in.
The USASG Forum - Forum: Logging In & Posting Problems
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37918-502-bad-gateway[/QUOTE]The USASG site is Not secure and can be easily hacked and why you can't use HTTPS in the address.
[QUOTE=FortySix&Two;7379158]Anyone else getting this? Google / duck all restricting ended up downloading Firefox browser and was able to get back in.[/QUOTE]I couldn't use this site for around 2 weeks. I tried different IPs, VPN, Firefox, etc and nothing worked. Today it worked with no problem.
[QUOTE=BillyThornton;7381380]I couldn't use this site for around 2 weeks. I tried different IPs, VPN, Firefox, etc and nothing worked. Today it worked with no problem.[/QUOTE]In the search for the website on Firefox, they have already eliminated the ass from the HTTP so it goes right to the site with no issue.