"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

You can go directly to the old site by going to this web address:

[URL]https://ww2.seekingarrangement.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Graham111;2362752]How do I get the old view? Thought I saw it on here and searched the first 15 pages but cannot find it. Thanks brothers.

BTW. When I had my vasectomy the Doctor gave me a kick ass happy pill. When I asked about pain he said "very little pain but guys don't mentally like the thought of activity in that area so the objective is to get you to not have a care in the world". And I did not have a care when he was working away!! I was pretty sore for about a week and incision was noticable. This was 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2362309]

"Why on earth would I spend money to bang a girl that isn't as attractive as what I could get for "free" Fish.

V. A. R. I. E. T. Y But if you as satisfied with your SO as that you might seriously reconsider the fleeting excitement of an SB vs Potentially losing your SO, reputation, money...[/QUOTE]It appears my last post was confusing. FM, you and I arrive at the same conclusion. I play in the bowl even though I am happy with my SO, because the girls in the bowl are not my SO. In other words, I need the variety. I should have been more clear in my last post.

Even though I love steak, the thought of eating it for every meal, every day is depressing.

Like JeezLizard, the payoff that my relationship with my SO provides is very different than the payoff I get with an SB. My SO keeps me intellectually stimulated, will care for me when I'm sick, etc. On the other hand, I don't get as excited in the bedroom with her as I do with a 19 year old blonde who tells me that she wants me to teach her how to have an*l sex and wants me to take her an*l virginity. I also cringe to think of what my day to day life would be like if I was in a long term relationship with every baby I've met so far. Oddly enough, the bowl has made me value my SO more, because of the snapshot it gives me of dating young girls (albeit a warped sense since it takes a particular sort of girl to sign up for a SA profile).

I do agree though that the pitfalls of marriage are many, and make one want to avoid it. I count myself lucky to have an SO that I truly connect with. In that way I am incredibly selfish since I want my life with my SO, and I want the variety of banging a young 19/20 something until that honeymoon period ends, until the sex isn't exciting anymore. That's the beauty of the bowl though, no?

The expectations are really set up front. Money, power, experience and / or privilege for physical intimacy and companionship, until you get bored, or until she finds someone with more of what gets her wet.

Just my two cents.

And BTW, I also agree that the excitement one gets from the bowl is fleeting. But when that feeling goes, it comes back when that next new 19/20 something is trying on the fishnet thigh highs you just bought for her, while bending over to gshow you just how wet she really is.

HWG was right, you might check out, but you never leave. The risks are great, but the rewards are just too sweet.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2361580]I think it's normal for a male to feel unrewarded (or at least not to satisfaction) for busting our asses day in and day out. Society has changed such that it's tough-going being a male. There has been much written about how women are finding it harder and harder to find someone who is even interested in marriage. Being married has so many disadvantages to men these days that some are wising up at a young age and just opting for the bachelor life permanently.

I'm somewhat in that category. Marriage is a BTDT thing with me and I won't return to it. Not long ago I was shuffling around some retirement account money, reading all the form fine print about the rights of "my spouse" (if I had one) to that money. Same goes with real estate equity. FUCK THAT! The laws have made marriage too unattractive.

However, it's one of things that if you're already in it, and you want out, best plan the escape route very carefully.

But as far as working on a relationship, yes of course it is work. Anything in life that is worthwhile is work.

I find searching for SBs to be a fuckload of work. I feel like a damn HR department in a temp staffing agency when I do it. It's not much different except the payoff is blowing our load rather than getting a commission check.

Civy dating itself is a lot of work too, whether you're a player or struggling to get laid. Lots and lots of work.

Escorts are easy. Aside from that, the payoff is a factor of the amount of effort we put into it.

Overall, my relationship is more rewarding that my SB antics, just in a much different way. The payoff is less intense, but longer lasting. Well I still get the short intense payoffs too...lol... they just aren't as fun with the same girl night after night. The long-term pay off is not sitting at home alone wishing my dick still worked at age 75 or whatever. At least if things continue I have a chance of having a partner that I actually enjoy spending non-sexual time with. I've always preferred that to being alone.[/QUOTE]Sorry man. I'm not stalking you or anything. You are just hitting on some issues that are in my wheel house at the moment.

For you young guys that have not been married yet. Do not get married. Once you do, and you sign that marriage document you have just signed away control of your own life. Your wife owns you now. She could literally do what the hell she wants, and you technically can't do a damn thing, because if you divorce she will get AT LEAST half of the assets of what you both have acquired, and if you draw a man hating lesbian judge she can fuck you for more if her state gives her unlimited discretion. In my state domestic judges have discretion to go outside the law to make decisions, and most of the judges in domestic court here are female. Probably 90% conservatively. There is a judge in my county that stuck some guy with "Unlimited Alimony". Unlimited. Long story short. Family court these days are designed as a re-distribution of wealth of men to women. The American women know this. It is my belief that most don't have a clue of love and commitment. They get in it for the security and the control they know they have in the system. They talk and keep themselves up to date on the laws. When it is time for reelection of a family judge you can bet they talk about who are "woman friendly". I could write a book, but I'll stop here. Bottom line is do not get married. Find a girl (if you desire to get married) that will marry you without the state involved. Try that. It is the ultimate test. If they balk, then you know you have a system girl that is out to control you and your assets. They can suck and fuck you like not other, and many men fall for this, and their brains turn to mush. Fatal. You must keep your thinking straight.

I had two kids, but never married the mother, as I find out how much of a crazy ***** she was, and what she was out for. I've been getting screwed in court the last ten years.

I finally got married to a lovely young (20 years younger) Chinese girl I brought over from China. I was 50 when I got married the first time. Wanted to see if it was for me. What I found out within the first year was that I was right all those years when I was single and had many girlfriends. Luckily she agreed to a dissolution, and I got out of it unscathed. She could have opted for the divorce, which would have been a bit dicier. We were only married 2 1/2 years. We are still friends, she lives in my house, and the sex has never been better. She's looking for a husband to have a child with, as I would not have another one, after what I've been experiencing in domestic court. Since last July I've been having my cake and eating it too. She knows I'm in the bowl now and understands it, but she loves our sex so much she doesn't care. I have even talked to her about being her sugar daddy when she gets married, and she is all in for it. I couldn't believe it actually. The sex is top notch and her young snatch is prime shit. The best tasting shit I've had, and I've had my share after 54 years.

Back to the laws today. The gender discrimination is at an all time high in family court. In my state the judge positions are dominated by women. All seven judges in my appeals court are female, 4 out of the 7 judges in the state supreme court are women, and then my local court judge is female, and all of her magistrates are female. They are ruled by emotion not the law, constitution, and logic. Run like hell away from marrying and fathering an American girl's baby. Your life will not be your own. That is the state of today for us men. Keep control of your life.

Lastly, whatever you do during your elections at any level is quit voting for females as judges and politicians. They are creating mightily to the downfall in this country. It is too much power for too many females, and it ends up fucking us in the end.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2363088]Keep control of your life.[/QUOTE]You said a lot, and it is all great advice. I only chose to quote the sentence that sums it all up for purposes of emphasizing it.

You're not much older than me, and it dawned on me today how much information (like what gets discussed here) is available to the next generation. The 24 year old today that was posting could be my son, yet he is able to benefit from insider knowledge that simply was not available to me when I was his age.

Heed the advice folks -- don't get married if you already aren't. If you already are married, play in the bowl but do so carefully. If you let the addiction control you, it's only a matter of time before "careful" gives way to temptation.

For those that actually do like the benefits of a long-term relationship when a reasonable prospect is found, I recommend the plan I'm on which is to dabble in the bowl sporadically but don't let it get in the way of the relationship. That takes a tremendous amount of control and self-discipline (something I didn't have when I was younger. Let's hope it holds out).

Random thought outlet time: On TV as I write this is Courtney Love being interviewed on Letterman. Cobain is lucky he's dead, because I bet if he saw her today he would puke at the thought he ever got her pregnant.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2361681]Have to do it without the SO knowing. I understand that it is a short procedure but afterward can I drive myself home? If I have to take a cab home then some precise scheduling may be required. After SO leaves home I come back and leave the car at home, take a cab to the place of surgery and return home the same way. I think I should be able to tell SO that I am not well and will stay home from work the next day.

How long is the typical time for recovery? Is it advisable to go back and get a sperm count to be sure or is a home test reliable?

I would appreciate any advice / information.[/QUOTE]Yes you can drive yourself home. The doctor might insist you bring a driver with you like they did with me, but I do recall that I could have driven myself. You'll experience some tenderness for up to a year, but it doesn't affect your sex performance. They gave me a 30 day supply of Percocets, but I only took one to two, and that was it. I probably only really needed one, and that was the first day home.

Regarding recovery everyone's different, but you should be good the next day if you must. If you can stay home the next day, then I'd do it. They give you a bottle to take with you. They require you to take a sample after a certain amount of time passed to make sure you're not still shooting bullets.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2363123]You said a lot, and it is all great advice. I only chose to quote the sentence that sums it all up for purposes of emphasizing it.

You're not much older than me, and it dawned on me today how much information (like what gets discussed here) is available to the next generation. The 24 year old today that was posting could be my son, yet he is able to benefit from insider knowledge that simply was not available to me when I was his age.

Heed the advice folks -- don't get married if you already aren't. If you already are married, play in the bowl but do so carefully. If you let the addiction control you, it's only a matter of time before "careful" gives way to temptation.

For those that actually do like the benefits of a long-term relationship when a reasonable prospect is found, I recommend the plan I'm on which is to dabble in the bowl sporadically but don't let it get in the way of the relationship. That takes a tremendous amount of control and self-discipline (something I didn't have when I was younger. Let's hope it holds out).

Random thought outlet time: On TV as I write this is Courtney Love being interviewed on Letterman. Cobain is lucky he's dead, because I bet if he saw her today he would puke at the thought he ever got her pregnant.[/QUOTE]If I can expand a bit.

You're right about this knowledge we're passing on to the younger generation was not available to me also. Case in point when I was in the "I want to try marriage mode" the lightbulb came on for me when the last American woman I dated was in 2007 and '08. Only upon breakup with this last one is when her ex husband told me she was a diagnosed bi-polar, and asked me "did she tell you? That was it for me and I swore off American women. I always thought about bagging a foreign girl from Russia, Ukraine, South America, or Asia. After that split I set out on a romance tour with a company to Kiev, Ukraine. I could tell stories of the time there, but suffice it to say that although I had a great time (I went there twice within a few months) they were still too much like our American women here on the gold digging. On a side note I've never been in a city where there were so many 10's, 12's, and 14's. I am not kidding. The sheer numbers of stunningly beautiful women there was off the charts. I then set out for China where I ended up spending most of my time. I like spinners and there's nothing like being in a country of 2 billion people. If I remember correctly for every 100 men there were something like 105 or 106 women. Don't quote me on that, but I do know it is a problem in their country of not enough men. There is a reason for that, but I won't go into now, but I must say with that ratio you're talking about at least a billion women, and most are spinners. They too had an unbelievable number of beautiful women, but just because of the sheer numbers made it glorious. Jeez you talk about addictions. Spending time in China banging those women can be addicting, and I was feeling like I was addicted. In fact to this day I still think about going back again, and currently I'm talking to about 4 of them now.

I will say this to the men about dealing with our women here. Sadly to say that the light bulb doesn't go on until they hit about 40 years old of considering looking outside of the country for marriage. A guy in his 20's and 30's would have unbelievable success in China. Hell I was in my late 40's and was treated like a rock star in some cities. Example Changsha China I flew down with about 4 guys from Beijing. My buddy started a online dating site and I volunteered for his first M & G in Beijing. Well one of them was in Changsha about two hour plane ride south. People there are not used to seeing western people there and you get a lot of long looks of curiosity. There are two large universities there, and I can tell you, walking down the street you have almost every damn coed staring at you, and a lot of them are eye fucking you. A western man in 2008 were rock stars. Maybe still are. I don't know. An absolute rock star. I thought if this is the life rock stars lead I am most envious. An endless amount of beautiful spinner coed. It was spinner heaven. The thing is that the Chinese women there are so approachable. They are naturally attracted to western men, and most of them don't have age as a high priority. I was hooked and still am to a certain extent. Recently signing up on SA I've started to dabble with the western girls. I do notice a difference though, and I don't take any of their shit to a certain extent. I have become less tolerant for ignorance and selfishness. I'm probably a bit spoiled by the foreign women.

I cannot emphasize enough to the younger guys that today's American women are not the same and haven't been for a few decades at least. The laws have been changed by the females in congress and at the state legislature level to attack men by attempting to re-distribute wealth from us to the women, and they call it "child support". No it isn't it is actually "child alimony" because there is no accountability on if they are spending it on the kids. Young guys run like hell if a girl won't marry you without the state being involved. Don't fall for the shit that they will say. Stay firm and focused. The typical thing the American woman will say is "if you really loved me why should it matter? Your comback is "if you really love ME then why should we need the state to bless our union if this is forever?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2363202]If I remember correctly for every 100 men there were something like 105 or 106 women. Don't quote me on that, but I do know it is a problem in their country of not enough men.

The laws have been changed by the females in congress and at the state legislature level to attack men by attempting to re-distribute wealth from us to the women, and they call it "child support". No it isn't it is actually "child alimony" because there is no accountability on if they are spending it on the kids. [/QUOTE]The ratio in China is too many men. Not enough women. But the quality of the men can't compare to a western man if that's what the girl has set her sights on.

The term "baby daddy". These girls don't want or care to get married. But they do want to get pregnant and get that "child alimony".

I know that this is a numbers game. Send out many messages to get a few responses and even fewer POTs. The problem I'm coming to is I've run the course on my desired demographic in my area. I'll admit that my search is really narrow. I unfortunately am only attracted to white, thin-average ladies. I wish my tastes were more broad, but I've sampled the others and I'm just not interested. If I was going for Hollywood's demographic in my area I'd be golden, but that's not in the cards.

Anyway, I have been limiting my search on SA to Minimal, Practical and Negotiable in the Expectations category. My thinking has been that all the rest above that would have GPS. I was wondering if my brothers on here limit their Expectation search? If not, what has your success rate been with the Moderate, High and Substantial ladies in accepting your offers. I'm thinking of broadening my search into those areas, but don't want to waste my time.

Your opinions are greatly valued.

Travelin'.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2363483]I know that this is a numbers game. Send out many messages to get a few responses and even fewer POTs. The problem I'm coming to is I've run the course on my desired demographic in my area. I'll admit that my search is really narrow. I unfortunately am only attracted to white, thin-average ladies. I wish my tastes were more broad, but I've sampled the others and I'm just not interested. If I was going for Hollywood's demographic in my area I'd be golden, but that's not in the cards.

Anyway, I have been limiting my search on SA to Minimal, Practical and Negotiable in the Expectations category. My thinking has been that all the rest above that would have GPS. I was wondering if my brothers on here limit their Expectation search? If not, what has your success rate been with the Moderate, High and Substantial ladies in accepting your offers. I'm thinking of broadening my search into those areas, but don't want to waste my time.

Your opinions are greatly valued.

Travelin'.[/QUOTE]I pay no attention to the expectation category whatsoever. In my mind a ridiculously high expectation setting could mean that she's just new to it all and is starting out aiming for the stars, or it could mean she set it that way once upon a time and forgot about it, or maybe she's really just nuts. It just doesn't mean anything to me in the long run. That is, unless she writes something in her profile that sounds over-the-top bitchy or GPS and corresponds to a ridiculous expectation, in which case I might just pass. One thing I have learned is that if a girl takes the time to write about what a sassy ***** she is in her profile, it almost always turns out to be true.

But, the expectation setting alone? I ignore it.

If American women are after our money foreign women view us as a way to immigrate to the US. Once they get here they may decide to stay with you if you have money or go with a guy who has more. The foreign spouse has to be married only for 2 years after which their Green Card (Permanent Residency) becomes permanent at least they will be subservient to you for those 2 years.

Sad but true.

But then again with Obama letting anyone who wishes to sneak into the country and get all the benefits (tax refunds!) we are now probably less appealing to foreign women.

I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.

Monday Evening. Drove about 40 minutes to meet a 25 year old slim latina. About 5'5" and 120 lbs. I would rate her as a solid 8, maybe even pushing an 8. 5. We had two drinks in a swanky hotel bar and really hit it off. Great conversation and a very nice vibe with each other. After two drinks I mentioned the fact that I was more than likely going to get a hotel room for the evening and that she should join me. She said that sounded like a nice idea but wanted to grab an appetizer and another drink. We walked to a little more casual bar right next door and had another drink and split an appetizer. Not sure what happened during that time but somewhere in there she got cold feet and said that she didn't think she wanted to get the hotel room that night and would be driving back home. I didn't push the issue and took the "nice" guy approach this time as I'd really like to land this fish. We have made plans for next week. We'll see where it goes as no discussion about sugar took place. Total cost was about $65 for drinks between the two bars. Over spent for this date but look at it as an investment.

Tuesday Evening. After the date on Monday night checked SA and started talking with a 20 year old college junior who had just signed up on the site the day before. We connected well as I was familiar with her school and even some of her professors. We texted back and forth late into the evening and made plans to meet. She drove about 40 minutes to meet me. When she showed up in person she was still hot, but larger than what her pictures would have led you to believe. She wasn't necessarily fat, but just a tall, curvy female. I believe someone may have said it earlier, but girls of this generation have perfected the art of the selfie and they know what angles to take pictures and they take 100's of pictures a week so they have a plethora of images to select from. We enjoyed a two hour dinner. Didn't vibe with her as well as I did the girl from the night before but we still had good conversation. Right across the street from the restaurant was a Hot Tub place so I suggested we go hot tubbing which she was readily agreeable to. We swang by the liquor store and picked up a cheap bottle of wine. Checked into the hot tub place and within a few minutes of getting into the hot tub her lips were on my shaft and I was watching a pretty hot 20 year old give me a nice BJ. Sex in a hot tub is not the most comfortable but it's still enjoyable. Only complaint is she told me she didn't want me to come in her mouth. No discussion regarding sugar. Total cost was $30 for the hot tub and $40 for dinner. We made tentative plans to hang out next week.

Wednesday Evening. Had been messaging back and forth with a 33 year old mom for a couple of weeks. Probably about a 7 body, but a 6 face. I hadn't really been all that interested in meeting her but she was persistent with me so we agreed to meet for a quick drink as she could only meet at 5:00 pm and had to leave by 6:00 pm to pick up her kids from day car. She arrives at the bar and I quickly turn the conversation sexual with her as she had sent me a few naughty pictures so I had a feeling she was a bit of a freak. By 5:15 I suggest to her that perhaps we should take a ride in my car and she could show me if she was as good at giving head as she told me she was. By 5:35 I was parked in a secluded parking lot watching her give me a sloppy BJ. She finished around 5:45 and I was driving her back to her car. No discussion about sugar. Total cost was $12.00 for two drinks. We said we'd talk about things next week. We'll see.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=LandonR;2364278]I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.



When she showed up in person she was still hot, but larger than what her pictures would have led you to believe. She wasn't necessarily fat, but just a tall, curvy female. I believe someone may have said it earlier, but girls of this generation have perfected the art of the selfie and they know what angles to take pictures and they take 100's of pictures a week so they have a plethora of images to select from.

Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]A few years ago the saying was " the camera adds 10 pounds" to a person. I think the new phrase could be "Reality adds 20 pounds to a person".

[QUOTE=LandonR;2364278]I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.Total cost was $30 for the hot tub and $40 for dinner. We made tentative plans to hang out next week.

Total cost was $12.00 for two drinks. We said we'd talk about things next week. We'll see.

Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]I have noticed that some girls on SA have emailed to say they are more interested in the experience than the cash. Hasn't happened yet, but we will see.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2363249]The ratio in China is too many men. Not enough women. But the quality of the men can't compare to a western man if that's what the girl has set her sights on.

The term "baby daddy". These girls don't want or care to get married. But they do want to get pregnant and get that "child alimony".[/QUOTE]You are right, and I was writing that at 1 am I believe. I stand corrected. Sorry for the misinformation. Yes, and what caused the unusual imbalance of men is because of their culture of over valuing having sons in stead of females. Sons hold a higher status symbol for the family. That thought process has been slowly changing over the recent years. With their one child policy (not true in the countryside) they would just abort if it was a female. So many years of that and you have what you see today. An imbalance of men over women.

Yes, the word is already out that the western men treat women way better than their countrymen. The American woman have no idea how good they have it with us. We as men and the system has spoiled them to no end, and now they've become complacent and entitled. They ought to go live in another country and find out how they're treated there.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2364145]If American women are after our money foreign women view us as a way to immigrate to the US. Once they get here they may decide to stay with you if you have money or go with a guy who has more. The foreign spouse has to be married only for 2 years after which their Green Card (Permanent Residency) becomes permanent at least they will be subservient to you for those 2 years.

Sad but true.

But then again with Obama letting anyone who wishes to sneak into the country and get all the benefits (tax refunds!) we are now probably less appealing to foreign women.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is truth in what you said about they view us as a way to immigrate to the US. There is (but has been fading in recent years) that belief that everyone is rich here and good. As we know for from the truth, but the prospects they have (I'm thinking Chinese women) are slim in good paying career, and a man that will respect them. They have a hard time finding both. There are some gold diggers, but the ratio is smaller. Their values of family and marriage are much different than our women. Chinese women tend to be very loyal to the man they love. Loyal beyond what guys here have ever experienced. Now that China is an economic power they are not stumbling over themselves to come here. The economy is strong there. With the power of the internet they are learning that our country is not so great anymore.

I will add one more thing to what you were saying about "watching out". The women have learned that they will be pampered here and put up on a pedestal that our system has created. All in all the number of quality women, value wise, is way more than what we have here. That is why I tell any young guy hell bent on getting married to marry an Asian woman. The odds are better in finding good, grounded, and loyal women. Liken it to going back in this country to the 50's and 60's. That is how our women used to be. Now that is not a blanket statement for all of them. The younger generation in their teens and early twenties are exhibiting habits that our women have here.

"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Some of these girls get on the site and treat it as it is the lottery. They're really not real serious about being a SB, so if they hit then it's the jackpot for them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Hollywood, please tell me the POT that wrote that note to you is featured on the Cover of this week's Sports Illustrated. I agree with Mike, they must look at it as a lottery ticket and, no matter what the odds, you can't win if you don't play.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date".
[/QUOTE]What some of them mean when they say this is they saw him once per week (for a three day holiday weekend at a time), but that week only came every three months or so depending on his work schedule.

So three nights of no holds barred fucking, figure three rounds per night. I fully believe that some of them pull this off, it's just that they are using "marketing speak" to make it sound like "a date" equates to "a fuck", and we all know that's not the case.

All this assumes her statement is even true. But yeah, some guys will pay a grand for a travel weekend if she's hot enough. It all comes down to how honest she is about what a date meant.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Usually if I find out a girl has had an SD before and I am considering her for more than a booty call, I will pass due to unrealistic expectations. I just think its funny that they even ask. I have had about 4 or 5 quote me this price so far. For the last 4 months I have been fairly satiated with my regulars. So I am just trying to find the next real SB. I have a few that look promising but it is really taking a lot of time. And the booty call girls just aren't getting me out of my chair lately. The 3 at the top of my list are all shy or scared regular girls. One has been passed around as a booty call a few times and is really frustrated. The other two are real newbies.

Its like I tell any skittish girl. "Every relationship starts with a one nite stand".

Stumbled across this while surfing some other stuff:

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2951713/So-pretty-young-woman-join-sugar-daddy-dating-site-Student-22-admits-taking-cash-older-man-says-wrong-that.html[/URL]

22 Year old British student lands a 44 yr old Multimillionaire. 5,000 lbs. (That's $7645 US) over 6 months, plus lots of high-end shopping. Paid for her 21st birthday party. Plus supposedly, she didn't even have to sleep with him:

"Emily claims that she didn't sleep with her 'sugar daddy' during the six months that they were together, because she wasn't ready.

But she does admit that they went further than any platonic friends ever would.

'He wanted more but I wasn't ready,' she explains.

When asked if they kissed and how ask far they did go, she replied: 'Yes, we kissed. It was like we were in the early stages of a relationship. ' ".

Bottomline message to the SBs. Lots of multimillionaires out there looking to lavish you with gifts and cash for no sex. LOL.

Also, check out the SA ad for Sugar Baby U.

Good Hunting!

Travelin'.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2365454]What some of them mean when they say this is they saw him once per week (for a three day holiday weekend at a time), but that week only came every three months or so depending on his work schedule.

So three nights of no holds barred fucking, figure three rounds per night. I fully believe that some of them pull this off, it's just that they are using "marketing speak" to make it sound like "a date" equates to "a fuck", and we all know that's not the case.

All this assumes her statement is even true. But yeah, some guys will pay a grand for a travel weekend if she's hot enough. It all comes down to how honest she is about what a date meant.[/QUOTE]A working girl I got to know traded my knowledge for her pleasures when she was on her tour through my town. She shared her business realities and made $175 K that year. She was older (40 ish) but beautiful and classy and still had "it". She was one an older guy would feel proud of and not self conscious . And she was educated and smart . Her fee was $300/ hour but had numerous weekend trips through the year to Vegas and other hot spots to travel with clients for $1800 plus travel and gifts. So it does happen that a guy who has tons of money spends it. What I do not get (believe) is the no sex thing. This girl "Emily" is super cute, but no way she wouldn't be putting out. So she just lies so she can say she isn't selling sex. BS Mutha Fu#%ka! We might be dumb but we're not stupid.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2365892]Stumbled across this while surfing some other stuff:

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2951713/So-pretty-young-woman-join-sugar-daddy-dating-site-Student-22-admits-taking-cash-older-man-says-wrong-that.html[/URL]

22 Year old British student lands a 44 yr old Multimillionaire. 5,000 lbs. (That's $7645 US) over 6 months, plus lots of high-end shopping. Paid for her 21st birthday party. Plus supposedly, she didn't even have to sleep with him:

"Emily claims that she didn't sleep with her 'sugar daddy' during the six months that they were together, because she wasn't ready.

But she does admit that they went further than any platonic friends ever would.

'He wanted more but I wasn't ready,' she explains.

When asked if they kissed and how ask far they did go, she replied: 'Yes, we kissed. It was like we were in the early stages of a relationship. ' ".

Bottomline message to the SBs. Lots of multimillionaires out there looking to lavish you with gifts and cash for no sex. LOL.

Also, check out the SA ad for Sugar Baby U.

Good Hunting!

Travelin'.[/QUOTE]Lots of amusing misinformation in that article, kind of reminds of why one of my friends always refers to that newspaper as "The Daily Fail". Unfortunately it's not just them, articles like these are pretty common. I suppose not many SBs are willing to brag about a relationship that includes sex -- it's too close to feeling like a pro for them. So they keep that part to themselves, and we end up with ridiculous articles about multimillionaires who pay their SBs 1 k / month for the priviledge of taking them shopping and maybe occasionally holding hands.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2362302]MESSAGE 1.

Hello. I just read your profile.

So after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at [EMAIL]xxx@xxx.com[/EMAIL].

Just lmk its you by your profile name.

I do prefer a per meeting type of arrangement to start.

So if you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.

MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.

MESSAGE 3.

Well every girl is on here for a reason. So let me ask you. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 a date (lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it.

But if you're willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. What do you think?

MESSAGE 4.

Well that's good because that's normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a girl to keep seeing me for a $100 a date she has to like me. At $300 a date I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

MESSAGE 5.

Send a long personalized intro letter explaining the details of your donation and expectations. Now when you go to the M&G you have a great chance of going straight to the FC. So be prepared.

If they go silent at any point in the process, just forget about them. If they go off the script / desired reply, just answer their question or comment directly and then go right back to the script. You have to stay in control of the conversation at all times. And try lots of things, I know I have and continue to do so. This is just what I am doing now.

Until 2 weeks ago I was just going straight to message 5. Kinda crazy but it did work enough to keep me busy. But I am finding that this multi step process is drawing out some of the more reluctant girls as well as the easy pickings. Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.[/QUOTE]Hey Hollywood,

I must have missed your post about the "123" message. Could you refresh my memory? Or direct me to it?

Keep up the good work.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2365927]A working girl I got to know traded my knowledge for her pleasures when she was on her tour through my town. She shared her business realities and made $175 K that year. She was older (40 ish) but beautiful and classy and still had "it". She was one an older guy would feel proud of and not self conscious . And she was educated and smart . Her fee was $300/ hour but had numerous weekend trips through the year to Vegas and other hot spots to travel with clients for $1800 plus travel and gifts. So it does happen that a guy who has tons of money spends it. What I do not get (believe) is the no sex thing. This girl "Emily" is super cute, but no way she wouldn't be putting out. So she just lies so she can say she isn't selling sex. BS Mutha Fu#%ka! We might be dumb but we're not stupid.[/QUOTE]Female denial of promiscuity has been around as long as the vagina itself. It is as intrinsic to them as our desire for variety is. In the case of SBs or pros, they see it as making themselves seem more respectful that they would command money for "companionship" while lessening the chance. One of the wildest fuck buddies I ever had was the biggest **** in the world between the sheets, but outside of bed would try to convince me that her total lifetime sex partner count could be counted on one hand (which was not even remotely believable, besides she had already told me about 3 of them that had occurred just in the prior year).

In all the women I've known, I can only remember one that bragged about (or I should announced) her promiscuity. A Chinese college student in her 20's I met online, she had come to the US only to study. I'm sitting there in a bar with her having a couple of drinks, when randomly and out of the clear blue, she said "do you fuck around a lot? I wasn't even sure I heard her correctly so I said "what? So she repeated it. "I said do you fuck around a lot? Because I do, I just wondered if you did too". It caught me completely off guard -- not because she seemed the shy or conservative type (not even close), but just because I'd never heard a woman so casually announced her promiscuity like that. Naturally I answered her question both verbally and with action.

[QUOTE=Orbits;2365938]Lots of amusing misinformation in that article, kind of reminds of why one of my friends always refers to that newspaper as "The Daily Fail". Unfortunately it's not just them, articles like these are pretty common. I suppose not many SBs are willing to brag about a relationship that includes sex -- it's too close to feeling like a pro for them. So they keep that part to themselves, and we end up with ridiculous articles about multimillionaires who pay their SBs 1 k / month for the priviledge of taking them shopping and maybe occasionally holding hands.[/QUOTE]Bait advertising is where someone, a used car dealer for example, makes a fantastic offer to draw customers in. However, when you turn up with the $500 for that brand new BMW, it's already gone. However, while you are there, there's this nice little clunker for only $20 k.

It's commonly used by escort businesses to recruit staff. They promise big $$ but when checked out, that big money is about four or five times what actually ends up in the hand after agency fees, taxes and expenses.

The point is, that bait advertising gets those who are thinking about buying a car, or working escort or being a SB to take that first step through the door.

So these articles, provided by SA, and used on slow news days by the media, effectively get those women thinking about it to take the first step. Once they've made that step, some will try to achieve the unrealistic targets, and leave if they can't. However, bait advertising is so effective because there are always some who take a more realistic deal.

I'm headed to Orlando in a week, so I've been searching SA for some possible company while I'm there. I ran across this profile:

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e7261c79/view?search-recently-active&[/URL]

Submissive sisters looking to live with you who will act as personal assistants and don't mind doing the group thing.

Talk about TGTBT, LOL.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2367206]I'm headed to Orlando in a week, so I've been searching SA for some possible company while I'm there. I ran across this profile:

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e7261c79/view?search-recently-active&[/URL]

Submissive sisters looking to live with you who will act as personal assistants and don't mind doing the group thing.

Talk about TGTBT, LOL.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'.[/QUOTE]For GPS pricing. They signed up almost 8 months ago. But good luck.

Hello! This is my first post, so I'm hoping I can get some guidance. I've been on a SB site for a month. I'm mid 30's, going through the divorce process. I figured I'd join to get back into the swing of things.

In summary, it's been overwhelming. I'd prefer one single girl for SB, but I don't think it's realistic. I've had about 7 dates and only 2 were adamant about an "arrangement". The most have ended up being dates or hookups for food or drinks. I got BBBJ CIM from 4/7 on the first or second date. I generally lose interest and hit the "search" button again and add another 2-3 to the chat rotation for the eventual meet up.

Is it recommended I continue this method till I find a solid SB? Granted my scope is early 20's, most are just happy to go to a nice dinner and night on the town. It's just been my luck that it's been leading to a BJ in the taxi or at their dorm / apt. I suppose my age is a benefit. I still look like I'm in my 20's, also I sense the girls are relieved because they've been doing strange things for some change with much older guys.

The one SB I had FC with told me her prev SD was in his 60's. On our first date, she begged me to take the condom off; figured it was just in the moment. Following am, after I ran out of condoms she's trying to rub me on her to insert. I snatched my junk back. I had to stop seeing her because I really liked the sex (this girls mouth was filthy. Age 20). But she was a 6/10 face / body and 9/10 bed. Now she sends texts saying she's in a jam financially as if I owe her.

Is it best to set a per date amount "or" should I continue eating the free lunch until I find a SB to settle for a longer period of time. Multiple dates can add up quick. Let me know how I should approach this. I have 2 or 3 meet and greets set up for this week.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2368317]Hello! This is my first post, so I'm hoping I can get some guidance. I've been on a SB site for a month. I'm mid 30's, going through the divorce process. I figured I'd join to get back into the swing of things.

In summary, it's been overwhelming. I'd prefer one single girl for SB, but I don't think it's realistic. I've had about 7 dates and only 2 were adamant about an "arrangement". The most have ended up being dates or hookups for food or drinks. I got BBBJ CIM from 4/7 on the first or second date. I generally lose interest and hit the "search" button again and add another 2-3 to the chat rotation for the eventual meet up.

Is it recommended I continue this method till I find a solid SB? Granted my scope is early 20's, most are just happy to go to a nice dinner and night on the town. It's just been my luck that it's been leading to a BJ in the taxi or at their dorm / apt. I suppose my age is a benefit. I still look like I'm in my 20's, also I sense the girls are relieved because they've been doing strange things for some change with much older guys.

The one SB I had FC with told me her prev SD was in his 60's. On our first date, she begged me to take the condom off; figured it was just in the moment. Following am, after I ran out of condoms she's trying to rub me on her to insert. I snatched my junk back. I had to stop seeing her because I really liked the sex (this girls mouth was filthy. Age 20). But she was a 6/10 face / body and 9/10 bed. Now she sends texts saying she's in a jam financially as if I owe her.

Is it best to set a per date amount "or" should I continue eating the free lunch until I find a SB to settle for a longer period of time. Multiple dates can add up quick. Let me know how I should approach this. I have 2 or 3 meet and greets set up for this week.[/QUOTE]You may never find just one. You may find a regular SB (for the time being) but my experience is you just can't help checking out the new talent that arrives almost daily and the temptation for some new pussy is always overwhelming. Many of the veterans on the board speak in terms of having a favorite but she is usually just part of an ever changing rotation. Variety is the spice of life. Since I started my sugar adventures last summer I have never stayed with one girl more than 4-5 sessions before feeling the urge to sample something new. I've tried all ages, 19-49, races, sizes, spinners to plump and had some amazingly talented ladies (and a couple of snoozers) willing to give me just about any type of pleasure I could dream up. And I'm one of those 60 yo guys. The bowl is full of goodies, just waiting for you to grab a spoonful. As long as you can sample for free (or just drinks / dinner) I would continue to do so.

Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue. As men we have the ability to compartmentalize and separate love and sex. For the most part women do not. Eventually as time goes on and the sex is amazing, feelings will begin to creep in for both parties. This is probably when it's best to cut and run if you use the big brain. Unfortunately the little brain wins most battles and clouds our judgement. This clouded judgment window is clearly dirtdeeds weakness which we all exhibit on some level. Women can sense this clouded judgement window as well, because usually our eyes are rolling towards the back of our head, LOL. Males have been struggling with this for centuries. So a hot 20 yo with an amazing rack wants to extract your man juice on a consistent basis, Darwin won't allow you to cut and run Dirtydeeds. You clearly have the money and the time for these young beauties, history will inevitably repeat itself in your case. It's a good problem to have and a curse at the same time. Variety will eventually end all of your relationships with these young hotties. Clearly you allow it to get to a point where you have genuine feelings for these girls as well. It's easy for me to sit on the outside and tell you to walk away earlier, but we are all guilty of allowing the penis to dictate our lives. I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2358228]A bit burned out at the moment, but not in necessarily a bad way. I now deem myself somewhat of a professional SD, WITH issues. The girls keep falling for me and I keep playing along with it. I have even went so far as to rent my own very nice townhouse on the side, furnished it, etc, all so I'd have a place 24/7 to bring the girls back. It's for no other purpose.

I've noticed a common denominator with these girls, especially the ones that get clingy and want relationships. Some of them are really sad inside, sweet, and kind young women, but, THEY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD! I've had marriage proposals and everything in between.

The latest girl is 24 in school, 5'2" very petite, big tits on her small frame, a bit of a loose box, but that's ok, she is a fucking freak in bed. I can't really even keep up with her. And now she too, is saying she's in love. Who am I ask? That this has now happened four times to me? I got maybe a slightly above average dick in size, yeah, I'm in shape for my age, I don't allow these girls to push me around, I stand my own and can be kind and gentle etc, but I do test their limits. I'm not God's gift to woman and this keeps happening. And if you think they just want my money, in all four of these instances now, they asked me to stop giving it to them cause they wanted it to be real. WTF?

For those out there entertaining the idea of this hobby, a big huge warning. As you get further into this and connect with a few of these fine young women. (not just the wham bam types, but a connection) you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER be able to go back to a partnership type relationship with a woman you own age. And for a moment you might think something real, can come of it as then reality of your age kicks in. And then the twenty something you've become attached is there and then you'll wake up and realize too much of your life has gone by and it isn't happening. A true defining moment of something "bitter sweet" But my brothers, that can be internally painful to realize when you have some starry eyes beauty wanting future plans with you, who will suck the cum out of every night and you have to face reality, in a few years, you'll be knocking on deaths door and she will just be beginning her life. It's a tough pill to swallow. Trust me.

So my advise, work very hard to keep the feelings at bay and if you sense them coming on. RUN, no matter how good she is.

If you know how to play this game, it can be the most rewarding experiences of you life as a man. It can take you back and let you see how you could have and maybe should have done things. It will make you think you can win over beautiful 20-something women and awe them, but at the end of the day, it will forever remain bitter sweet. So learn how to deal with all that before you start getting serious with any of these women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NutInHer;2368732]Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue.

I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.[/QUOTE]So it sounds like what you're saying is your family is keeping you out of trouble. For better or worse, and I would say "for better" because that is important to try to keep that ship floating along. A little on the side when you can, but you got to stay out of trouble, too.

I wish you the best.

OK so if you look at my post history, you'll quickly figure I'm not from your geographic region. Actually, I'm from West KY and I sometimes make it to Nashville, TN for a little fun.

Divorced (happily) with one young child and I have a casual sugar relationship that has been going on for almost 2 years now. In case you wonder, no, that did not start until after me and my wife were separated.

So I'm wanting to branch out and I've done some searching on some Arrangement type websites. The most promising one is sugar daddy for me com. Reason being the escort thing is nice once in a while, but it is so hit and miss unless I make a day of it and drive to Nashville for truly good providers. Also, because I go for the more upscale type of lady, it is kind of costly for the amount of time involved. I'm thinking a SD / SB arrangement could prove more mutually enjoyable for more or less about the same financial commitment.

So what do you experienced Daddies recommend in terms of setting up your profile? One thing my casual lady friend has suggested (has profiles on a couple sites) is to get the premium type membership where female members can respond to my messages without being a paying member themselves. She says "if a guy can't spend a bit more for the all-encompassing membership, then it makes me think he's cheap. " But as far as pics, what to say, that sort of thing. What do you recommend?

Thanks and be safe.

Good news. My tests came back negative and it was kidney stones. I got a antibiotic shot for nothing.

Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2369545]Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.[/QUOTE]The girls are playing the same game we are. They want more money and we want more sex. IMHO girls use sex to get money and we do the opposite. It is truly unusual to find a girl who flat out just loves sex for it's own sake and wants nothing in return. 50 Shades has opened up their minds to the fantasy world that they are looking for. Lots of wining, dining, and presents in return for a roll in the hay with a wealthy hot stud. The reality is shocking to them when they see the 70 yr old geezer walk in the coffee shop for a M&G. This guy is not Christian Gray. Perhaps he is more like Jim Belushi or Chevy Chase.

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

I had a SA account and was fairly successful making contact with potentials. Was wondering is if any of the other sites (e.g. SD4ME) were worth it.

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369929]I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.[/QUOTE]I would never pay a girl just to meet for coffee or lunch. If the date doesn't end in the bedroom, no sugar. (Actually I'm lying I just did it recently and it worked out okay, but it was our second meeting and I had a good feeling about her. I have since closed the deal). But in general, don't pay for M&G's. If she refuses to meet because of that she was probably going to be a constant money drain anyway with less than fair return, os move on th the next!

[QUOTE=Nice499;2369929]I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.[/QUOTE]No, I wouldn't say that's typical. I've been on a site for a little over a month now and never had that happen. The donation convo happens to me after the first date.