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[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6705664]Not really attracted to Asians. When I do fuck one, I prefer the clean cut American Born Chinese ABC.
Never been a fan of the aznbabygurl ABG silliness. Fake blonde hair, fake tits, fake nails, tattoos, smokes weed, and drinks Henny all the time.
My current ABC SB is only 18, and cute as a bug on a rug. No condoms, all bare, she lets daddy do anything daddy wants. That's a good Asian babygurl LOL.[/QUOTE]COTDAMN BRO. You're hitting that? Teach me your ways sempai.
Got rejected by smolkitten. She viewed my face pictures and stopped responding LOL! Anyone see her before? She looks trans in the face but has a great ass. Man. I feel bad getting rejected by these sloots.
same story with ricecake. I didn't realize I was this ugly lol.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6726816]Dang bro. You are a lucky ass dude if you got to see her. She sounds hot as hell.[/QUOTE]Her look and body is a 7 so no need to feel that you missed out on a hottie. She's actually in her mid or late 20's now LOL.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6726821]Got rejected by smolkitten. She viewed my face pictures and stopped responding LOL! Anyone see her before? She looks trans in the face but has a great ass. Man. I feel bad getting rejected by these sloots.
same story with ricecake. I didn't realize I was this ugly lol.[/QUOTE]Post her profile link so I can see who.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6726889]Post her profile link so I can see who.[/QUOTE]Kitten.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6728e430-9c53-4fa8-b8a3-00dc698adb31[/URL]
Ricer.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20414dac-5b76-4d69-bf03-2180af64f246[/URL]
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6727151]Kitten.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6728e430-9c53-4fa8-b8a3-00dc698adb31[/URL]
Ricer.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20414dac-5b76-4d69-bf03-2180af64f246[/URL][/QUOTE]RiceCake has been on SA for many years. Maybe 6+ years. I chatted with her in the past but never met up with her so don't know if she's real or not.
Thanks for the positive feedback. I'll post another SB review and see.
DreamyAphrodite. Fake / Scammer. Gave me another SD number on SA instead of hers.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/feb6d4c1-8418-4fdc-996f-a71502dbafb3[/URL]
Missperfect4 you. Fake / Scammer. Changed her location many times.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3b76da89-e2c0-4614-832c-49f2c47ed926[/URL]
VictoriaKitty. Fake / Scammer. Just looking to chat online.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6a9d8451-30ed-4185-8daa-7e22c029f2e7[/URL]
Jaexrae. She's Filipino from Toronto. She's here in LA visiting for her bday until January 1st. She's new to sugar dating and trying it out. Act quickly if you're interested. Her looks are a 7. Her allowance is negotiable.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c8568d34-2674-4e45-9b13-3c86e6e1aedb[/URL]
Skybaby. Fake / Scammer. Selling pics.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/340dc5ae-4181-48d5-81c7-69479e170d1d[/URL]
Jennifer. Fake / Scammer.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae643868-5f0e-43ce-ad6b-4471aaac1e3e[/URL]
Whimsicallyrose. White girl from Missouri in her 20's. She has very bad teeth so kind of a turn-off. Her looks are a 7 if you can get past the bad teeth. Her body is a 6, kind of thick and athletic. Allowance is flexible.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7c8f4238-e104-478c-a427-6cd0948e8a7a[/URL]
SexySiren. Portuguese girl in her 30's. She's been on SA for many years using different usernames. She's short and has an athletic body. Her looks and body are a 7. She looks better in photos than in person. She has a full-time job so sugaring is only on the side and she's selective as to who she replies to. Allowance is flexible.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/704b1273-ff5e-4fb3-8435-b30d03034c4e[/URL]
Awakebutnotwoke. Review Part 2. We continued our conversation and I was correct. For per meet allowance, she's asking for 3 k ppm. She's definitely not in that tier. However, throughout our conversation, she was nice and friendly even though our allowance expectations differed.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd2a631e-169f-46f7-a34b-91b61ea37f8c[/URL]
Jaym4 ds. Fake / Scammer. She will text you and schedule a meetup and on the day of the meetup, she will ghost you. She's unwilling to do a voice call or video chat prior to verify so most likely a fake / scammer.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/45ea1eb2-a769-40e1-ad31-138c37e1e249[/URL]
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727400]RiceCake has been on SA for many years. Maybe 6+ years. I chatted with her in the past but never met up with her so don't know if she's real or not.[/QUOTE]What would you rate yourself out of 10? I'm suprised I'm not getting responses from some of these girls. I'm average looking but most guys on these websites are ugly so I thought I'd stand out:
[QUOTE=Chupacabra;6725961]I agree. Don't let anonymous haters run you off, USD. I appreciate your posts.[/QUOTE]All legit reviews are greatly appreciated. And 99% of them are. But never judge any guys version of a 10 or what they are willing to pay. There are just too many variables to quantify what is a fair or unfair rate. Another guy on another thread always says in his own way "there are no gold diggers, old gold givers". So pay what you can afford and enjoy the ride.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6727678]What would you rate yourself out of 10? I'm suprised I'm not getting responses from some of these girls. I'm average-looking but most guys on these websites are ugly so I thought I'd stand out:[/QUOTE]You'll probably be surprised if I tell you this. I don't even have a single photo posted on my SA profile. So it's not all about looks but how well you write your first message to the girls. The girls on SA are not looking for hot model-looking guys since they know what SA is about, but looking for sincere mature gentlemen to take care of them. You just have to present yourself as a gentleman and if they're interested in what you have to offer to them then they will respond. So the girls who responded to my messages don't even know what I look like so looks don't matter initially.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727764]You'll probably be surprised if I tell you this. I don't even have a single photo posted on my SA profile. So it's not all about looks but how well you write your first message to the girls. The girls on SA are not looking for hot model-looking guys since they know what SA is about, but looking for sincere mature gentlemen to take care of them. You just have to present yourself as a gentleman and if they're interested in what you have to offer to them then they will respond. So the girls who responded to my messages don't even know what I look like so looks don't matter initially.[/QUOTE]Dang bro. You are the true master at slaying poonani. I go straight for the kill and ask their ppm. Maybe I should be jestering more. Didn't know this was okcupid LOL.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727499]I left one out in my reviews.
Joy. She's back on SA with a new profile. She's been off for a while. She's been on SA for many years with different usernames. She's a European girl, forgot from where exactly, in her late 20's or early 30's. Her body is a perfect 10. She's tall, 5'9", and skinny with a natural C breast that is soft and in perfect shape. Her body is like one of those nude models you see in Eyes Wide Shut movie. Her looks is a 7 but her body makes up for it. Her allowance is negotiable.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0317aec3-8b89-448b-844e-f7c0ecf3c299[/URL][/QUOTE]I always appreciate your info! Did you meet with this one? If so, what was the damage and how was she? PM if you prefer.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6727749]All legit reviews are greatly appreciated. And 99% of them are. But never judge any guys version of a 10 or what they are willing to pay. There are just too many variables to quantify what is a fair or unfair rate. Another guy on another thread always says in his own way "there are no gold diggers, old gold givers". So pay what you can afford and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE]Good advice.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6727678]What would you rate yourself out of 10? I'm suprised I'm not getting responses from some of these girls. I'm average looking but most guys on these websites are ugly so I thought I'd stand out:[/QUOTE]So you approach them w / questions about their PPM, and you have race-based stereotypes on your fingertips. Do you send junk pix too? I'd bet they feel you are approaching them like hookers; Asian girls who are NPs / SBs are least likely to respond to such blandishments. That group, in my opinion, is the most in to keeping it above the gutter level. Hence, their huge allowance asks.
[QUOTE=Chupacabra;6728350]I always appreciate your info! Did you meet with this one? If so, what was the damage and how was she? PM if you prefer.[/QUOTE]I prefer to keep my experiences with the SBs private. In my reviews, if I say allowance negotiable that simply means that she has no set price or specific allowance expectations and she didn't reply with a ppm rate. Thus, she goes with the flow and whatever allowance you offer her if you guys connect. Joy is very easygoing and friendly and has no set allowance.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727400]RiceCake has been on SA for many years. Maybe 6+ years. I chatted with her in the past but never met up with her so don't know if she's real or not.[/QUOTE]I've had dinner with her, but chose not to move forward because I only enter arrangements with those who I actually click with outside of the bedroom. Conversation didn't flow as well as I would've liked.
But she's a nice person. Face isn't as attractive in person as a heads up. Definitely puts on a decent amount of makeup.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6728444]So you approach them w / questions about their PPM, and you have race-based stereotypes on your fingertips. Do you send junk pix too? I'd bet they feel you are approaching them like hookers; Asian girls who are NPs / SBs are least likely to respond to such blandishments. That group, in my opinion, is the most in to keeping it above the gutter level. Hence, their huge allowance asks.[/QUOTE]I tell them how often I want to meet and ask what their ppm is first message. I don't like playing games. It has worked with many girls (I've seen over 20 and all of them were asian LOL) but some girls on these sites really think they are above hookers? Man LOL. What is wrong with this generation of women? If you're going to be a sloot at least own up to it. THat is why I quit dating normies. They are soo full of themselves ggrrr makes my blood boil.
[QUOTE=Blah1337;6728606]I've had dinner with her, but chose not to move forward because I only enter arrangements with those who I actually click with outside of the bedroom. Conversation didn't flow as well as I would've liked.
But she's a nice person. Face isn't as attractive in person as a heads up. Definitely puts on a decent amount of makeup.[/QUOTE]Agree. I remember she sent me more pics over text and the pics weren't attractive so I didn't meet up with her in person.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6728668]I tell them how often I want to meet and ask what their ppm is first message. I don't like playing games. It has worked with many girls (I've seen over 20 and all of them were asian LOL) but some girls on these sites really think they are above hookers? Man LOL. What is wrong with this generation of women? If you're going to be a sloot at least own up to it. THat is why I quit dating normies. They are soo full of themselves ggrrr makes my blood boil.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are breaching the TOS of the seeking site, and as soon as that becomes apparent to the mods, you'll get banned. It is pretty hard to get back on, they have ways to tell it is someone they've seen before trying to get a new profile. So, 'enjoy' it while you can.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6726888]Her look and body is a 7 so no need to feel that you missed out on a hottie. She's actually in her mid or late 20's now LOL.[/QUOTE]Had dinner with this one but had zero chemistry. I usually do really well on m&g's but she has no personality whatsoever. It was exhausting having to keep asking her questions to strike up conversations. F is about a 7, body maybe a 6, tall, nice tits but not toned. She was nice but I did not schedule a second date.
[QUOTE=Citrus1999;6728914]Had dinner with this one but had zero chemistry. I usually do really well on m&g's but she has no personality whatsoever. It was exhausting having to keep asking her questions to strike up conversations. F is about a 7, body maybe a 6, tall, nice tits but not toned. She was nice but I did not schedule a second date.[/QUOTE]Your review is very accurate. I was more generous and gave her a 7 for her body LOL.
[QUOTE=Citrus1999;6728914]Had dinner with this one but had zero chemistry. I usually do really well on m&g's but she has no personality whatsoever. It was exhausting having to keep asking her questions to strike up conversations. F is about a 7, body maybe a 6, tall, nice tits but not toned. She was nice but I did not schedule a second date.[/QUOTE]Geez bro. Thanks for helping me dodge a bullet. Personality is HUGE for me. I don't see boring girls. I need a girl who can flirt with me and make me feel like teenagers in love. Not dealing with lame girls. That's why I quit dating apps a long time ago. Too much autism / lack of effort.
Please tell me you didn't pay her for the meet and greet?
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6728938]I received a PM to share some of the hotter SBs on SA.
ItsBrittneyBaby. She's a model and has a profile on ModelMayhem. She does nude modeling and has a nude yoga instructional video on [URL]truenakedyoga.com[/URL]. She's not tall at 5'4" and has a very fit body. Her looks are an 8 and her body is an 8. Her allowance is negotiable. She's been inactive on SA for a while so not sure when she will return.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20544ceb-e8e0-4c6b-952c-a27306fd70c7[/URL][/QUOTE]This Brittney looks like my current blonde 19 yo SB.
[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6730191]This Brittney looks like my current blonde 19 yo SB.[/QUOTE]Is there any young model in the 213 area code who you haven't banged?
[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6730191]This Brittney looks like my current blonde 19 yo SB.[/QUOTE]Can't tell. Can't see your SB's face LOL.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6729087]Geez bro. Thanks for helping me dodge a bullet. Personality is HUGE for me. I don't see boring girls. I need a girl who can flirt with me and make me feel like teenagers in love. Not dealing with lame girls. That's why I quit dating apps a long time ago. Too much autism / lack of effort.
Please tell me you didn't pay her for the meet and greet?[/QUOTE]I NEVER pay for m&g. I already know it's a bad start if girl insist on getting paid for their "time. " no intimacy, no sugar, period.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727764]You'll probably be surprised if I tell you this. I don't even have a single photo posted on my SA profile. So it's not all about looks but how well you write your first message to the girls. The girls on SA are not looking for hot model-looking guys since they know what SA is about, but looking for sincere mature gentlemen to take care of them. You just have to present yourself as a gentleman and if they're interested in what you have to offer to them then they will respond. So the girls who responded to my messages don't even know what I look like so looks don't matter initially.[/QUOTE]I would say looks matter only in terms of what they are going to ask. Obviously if you excel in the looks or personality dept it's going to help get you a lower rate. But no SB I have ever met has turned down a date based on those two things. If they are in no way attracted to you they are just going to ask more. But they are not totally lame. They know the higher the rate the greater the expectations are going to be.
Which is a ploy I have used many times in reverse. Offer very little but say you respect their boundaries. If the chemistry is there the boundaries get moved pretty fast. And if not or she is just a little more professional, well I will still make the most of whatever they are willing to give and then move on. I have never given in to an upsell, not even once in my life. They can take it or leave it and I can do the same.
Sometimes they will even call back and I just have to politely tell them I pay what I can afford, sorry. Recently lost my most regular regular. She met my live in GF and just decided she didn't want to compete. That was a 3-4 year arrangement. I guess she figured she had no chance of ever getting paid more. And she was right. Also had another great regular in L. A. That raised her rate. Hit it maybe 100+ times in 4 years. But sorry just can't do it anymore.
If money was no object I would probably feel differently. Just my current situation. A classic case of a middling wage earner in a Bidenomics economy.
This perspective, from one of the most experienced SDs on this site, shows that guys who message girls on the site, ask their ppms, and then post them here are wasting their time. Getting to 'yes' w / a SB is a negotiation. Or it should be. The response girls give to those messages (from among the *hundreds* they get) are like the MSRP on a new car. It is their standard, wished-for sugar. That doesn't mean they might not get involved in a much different scenario than they are thinking about for a much different amount.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6730431]I would say looks matter only in terms of what they are going to ask. Obviously if you excel in the looks or personality dept it's going to help get you a lower rate. But no SB I have ever met has turned down a date based on those two things. If they are in no way attracted to you they are just going to ask more. But they are not totally lame. They know the higher the rate the greater the expectations are going to be.
Which is a ploy I have used many times in reverse. Offer very little but say you respect their boundaries. If the chemistry is there the boundaries get moved pretty fast. And if not or she is just a little more professional, well I will still make the most of whatever they are willing to give and then move on. I have never given in to an upsell, not even once in my life. They can take it or leave it and I can do the same.
Sometimes they will even call back and I just have to politely tell them I pay what I can afford, sorry. Recently lost my most regular regular. She met my live in GF and just decided she didn't want to compete. That was a 3-4 year arrangement. I guess she figured she had no chance of ever getting paid more. And she was right. Also had another great regular in L. A. That raised her rate. Hit it maybe 100+ times in 4 years. But sorry just can't do it anymore.
If money was no object I would probably feel differently. Just my current situation. A classic case of a middling wage earner in a Bidenomics economy.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys. Visiting from out of town. What is "normal" ppm in LA? 600-700? Thanks.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6728976]Your review is very accurate. I was more generous and gave her a 7 for her body LOL.[/QUOTE]Bro, I am not trying to count your pocket or anything like that but do you have a set monthly budget on these SBs or do you just spend whatever? I would go broke if I indulged myself this much. However, I used to pick a month in a year where I would spend almost 10 grand on quality SBs. That lasted until 2 years ago and I am quite frugal now. Anyway, thanks for your contributions to this thread. Much appreciated.
[QUOTE=Citrus1999;6730379]I NEVER pay for m&g. I already know it's a bad start if girl insist on getting paid for their "time. " no intimacy, no sugar, period.[/QUOTE]Based as hell my dude. Down with simps who pay before getting the fishhole.
[QUOTE=WubbaDubz80;6730828]Hey guys. Visiting from out of town. What is "normal" ppm in LA? 600-700? Thanks.[/QUOTE]300-1 k is normal IMO. I never had trouble with 500 (my go to) but definitely have been laughed at by some girls LOL.
[QUOTE=Uncountable;6730856]Bro, I am not trying to count your pocket or anything like that but do you have a set monthly budget on these SBs or do you just spend whatever? I would go broke if I indulged myself this much. However, I used to pick a month in a year where I would spend almost 10 grand on quality SBs. That lasted until 2 years ago and I am quite frugal now. Anyway, thanks for your contributions to this thread. Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. I don't have a set budget. Honestly, if you need to set a budget for sugaring, maybe consider focusing on your work and achieving financial freedom before doing sugaring. Sugaring is always around so no need to rush into it.
[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6730865]Based as hell my dude. Down with simps who pay before getting the fishhole.[/QUOTE]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.
I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.
She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6730713]This perspective, from one of the most experienced SDs on this site, shows that guys who message girls on the site, ask their ppms, and then post them here are wasting their time. Getting to 'yes' w / a SB is a negotiation. Or it should be. The response girls give to those messages (from among the *hundreds* they get) are like the MSRP on a new car. It is their standard, wished-for sugar. That doesn't mean they might not get involved in a much different scenario than they are thinking about for a much different amount.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing your comments are about my reviews since I'm the only one posting SB reviews recently. Maybe my reviews are useless to you but that's unfortunate because other members have found it useful and have shared their support. I agree with you that my reviews on SB's ppm are useless information to those who are fake daddies because they don't offer any and dislike it when other SDs offer it to SBs. After all, it just makes it harder for fake daddies to manipulate them.
[QUOTE=NitroHX;6731048]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.
I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.
She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.[/QUOTE]YK, seeking has a companion website, whatsyourprice, where you are negotiating w / a girl for just the public date portion. I was recently invited by seeking to transfer my profile over to that site, they were going to give me 50 free credits to message girls. However, as I have a SO, I can't really do too much regular dating, so I haven't seriously considered this.
If anyone wants to TOFTT by getting a WYP membership, I would be interested to know about it. Of course it is possible that once you have had that initial date w / them, it could turn into something more, civvy or sugar.
[QUOTE=NitroHX;6731048]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.
I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.
She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.[/QUOTE]I'm glad this method has worked out for you. It has worked 0/3 for me so far and hesitant to try again.
[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6730191]This Brittney looks like my current blonde 19 yo SB.[/QUOTE]Yeah so if you ever get tired of her, send over her number!
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6731454]I'm guessing your comments are about my reviews since I'm the only one posting SB reviews recently. Maybe my reviews are useless to you but that's unfortunate because other members have found it useful and have shared their support. I agree with you that my reviews on SB's ppm are useless information to those who are fake daddies because they don't offer any and dislike it when other SDs offer it to SBs. After all, it just makes it harder for fake daddies to manipulate them.[/QUOTE]Don't flatter yourself. I read several sugar threads across the US (Atlanta, Vegas, Richmond), to get general information about how people are sugaring, and they do it on all of them.
Man hearing some of the numbers being thrown around here lately is loco. 400 to 1000. I make good money and could afford higher ppms. I'm not rich but could still manage them. But why? I started in this game finding non-pros on Craigslist. With some dabbling on SA back then. You could find the same quality of girls on SA back then on CL for around 100-140,200 tops for an overnight. SA was always a bit more back then too. But not the amounts being thrown around now. Straight up asking for a PPM amount is not good. I've always negotiated. And if a chic is expecting a lot more. Then I'm like bye bye. I don't give in as well to buy up. I've said it before. I don't care how hot a girl is. If it's way more than I want to spend. Then bye bye. Had that happen with a hot Persian chic that wanted to upsell right at the meetup. After we had already negotiated beforehand. I was like nope, bye. My MO is negotiating before first meet. I don't usually do meet and greets. Only if the girl wants to do one. That way everything is clear and no need to waste time and money on dinners and such. The expectation is clear and we just meet up at the hotel, ready to go.
If you're a rich dude. Then fine I guess you can throw that money around. But just asking straight out for PPM amount. Is like agreeing to a prostitutes hourly amount. Which is not what a sugarbaby is normally meant to be. A non-pro. Doing this is what has driven up the price for a sugarbaby. I will keep negotiating.