Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;2075693]. Essentially when eBay bought them, they had a hard time reconciling sanctions against adult businesses, when eBay actually sells as much adult material as it does regular merchandise. Once they saw the bottom line they changed their tune and now welcome adult businesses with open arms.[/QUOTE]Actually they still have some problems. Summer and I used paypal when we were excepting CC. We were unable to open a paypal account ourselfs because they wouldn't except the adult business. So we end up having someone set an account up for us. Most of our amounts run for CC use were between 125-300. In one instance, we had a three our duo in which the guy paid 600. Immediately they froze the account. We couldn't get our for almost 4 months. They wanted prove of business, receipts, taxes, etc. With the help of someone, we was able to send recepts for a cleaning business and a few other things. That still wasn't good enuf. We then closed the account out after a month of messing with them and it still took another three months to get our money. It was a hassle. And I would never reccommend paypal. It really sucked for us to have to wait that long for 600.

[QUOTE=ClassASweetie;2075760]Actually they still have some problems. Summer and I used paypal when we were excepting CC. We were unable to open a paypal account ourselfs because they wouldn't except the adult business. So we end up having someone set an account up for us. Most of our amounts run for CC use were between 125-300. In one instance, we had a three our duo in which the guy paid 600. Immediately they froze the account. We couldn't get our for almost 4 months. They wanted prove of business, receipts, taxes, etc. With the help of someone, we was able to send recepts for a cleaning business and a few other things. That still wasn't good enuf. We then closed the account out after a month of messing with them and it still took another three months to get our money. It was a hassle. And I would never reccommend paypal. It really sucked for us to have to wait that long for 600.[/QUOTE]Not to discount what you are saying but I had no problem getting an adult account, and I was given my frozen funds completely, once the judge filed an order for them to do so--you just had to know where to complain and how to complain. There are [B]millions[/B] adult items sold everyday on eBay (a little secret they don't broadcast is that that is their primary profit source, since they charge premium fees to list adult items) and those sellers are [B]REQUIRED[/B] to have a Paypal account.

eBay owns Paypal. When they acquired them, there was no way eBay was going to keep those prudish policies in effect: there was too much money to be made. I sell hundreds of dollars in adult items on eBay (it helps fund my hobby) every month and have not had a problem since the changeover.

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;2075961]Not to discount what you are saying but I had no problem getting an adult account, and I was given my frozen funds completely, once the judge filed an order for them to do so--you just had to know where to complain and how to complain. There are [B]millions[/B] adult items sold everyday on eBay (a little secret they don't broadcast is that that is their primary profit source, since they charge premium fees to list adult items) and those sellers are [B]REQUIRED[/B] to have a Paypal account.

eBay owns Paypal. When they acquired them, there was no way eBay was going to keep those prudish policies in effect: there was too much money to be made. I sell hundreds of dollars in adult items on eBay (it helps fund my hobby) every month and have not had a problem since the changeover.[/QUOTE]Terms of service;.

Prohibited Activities.

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

1. Violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

2. Relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, [B](c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,[/B] (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, [B](h) certain sexually oriented materials or services,[/B] (I) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.

They fucked us with 2 C and H.

I'm going to look into Square.

I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.

I have not played much lately due to major health reasons but have engaged in massages very recently. I have a rant about texting. Yesterday, I sent a text to one of the providers that advertises on this forum who states that texting is fine. I did not get a reply and after 3 hours I logged out of google voice and spent the day on other activities. Last night when I logged back onto GV, there where 10 texts from her. The last 7 basically stated "if you weren't serious, why did you text me". Hey, don't yell at me 3 hours after I sent my text. If you can't respond till then, just state that. I don't mind getting one that says, "I couldn't respond till now and if you are still interested, let me know". Just my rant.

[QUOTE=Mlive123;2076586]
Hey, don't yell at me 3 hours after I sent my text.[/QUOTE]If Mlive needed to move on he should have advised her by text he was out of time and he would be back to her direction later. Girls have more of us to keep track of than we do of them. Most have other jobs and kiddies. Girls receive a lot more texts than we do. Different text handles and email handles can make it hard for the girls to keep the same guy straight. If we want to get a girl in the sack we need to show a little consideration.

Since this is the Octagon I'll quote Jackson, "Just another asshole out to cause trouble." (That's me)

[QUOTE=Admin2;2075671]It's one of the features we are thinking about adding. Live regional chat. Though we are talking about it as part of a subscription packet.

No that doesn't mean that this part of the USASG is not going to be free.

[b]WE AREN'T PLANNING ON CHANGING ANYTHING HERE.[/b] We are thinking about stuff we could do in the future to have a free and subscription level. [b]IT'S ONLY AN IDEA NOW, NO YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY TO READ THE FORUM.[/b].

I have to put that in bold and caps so I don't get a million emails from guys.

A2.[/QUOTE]Another great thread on USASG.

A2 - I'd definitely be willing to pay for subscriber added features. And, leaving the forum as it is and free is the way to go.

Either way, I'm looking forward to see what you all come up with.

Zhuxi.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2076644]If Mlive needed to move on he should have advised her by text he was out of time and he would be back to her direction later. Girls have more of us to keep track of than we do of them. Most have other jobs and kiddies. Girls receive a lot more texts than we do. Different text handles and email handles can make it hard for the girls to keep the same guy straight. If we want to get a girl in the sack we need to show a little consideration.

Since this is the Octagon I'll quote Jackson, "Just another asshole out to cause trouble." (That's me)[/QUOTE]After three hours, I probably would have done the same. Sometimes I don't turn my ho phone on for three days. Maybe he should have seen her a follow up text that he was leaving, maybe not. But that doesn't make him an asshole out to cause trouble. On the other hand, there are some assholes on this board out to cause trouble. But that's another story.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2076743]After three hours, I probably would have done the same. Sometimes I don't turn my ho phone on for three days. Maybe he should have seen her a follow up text that he was leaving, maybe not. But that doesn't make him an asshole out to cause trouble. On the other hand, there are some assholes on this board out to cause trouble. But that's another story.[/QUOTE]I agree. Wouldn't it also make a difference how far along in the txt conversation you were? If I send one initial txt to a provider just saying Hello, and asking if she's available at a particular time, and I don't hear back for hours, I just assume she was busy. I move on and figure I'll try again some other time. I wouldn't feel a need to send another txt letting her know that.

On the other hand, if we had gotten to the stage of working out the logistics (what time, how long, location), it would be different. Or if she responded right away with interest but then I didn't hear back to a 2nd or 3rd txt. In those cases, I feel like I should let them know that my window of opportunity is closing and we would have to reschedule. I suppose that in any case, it could be a matter of losing track of people she's communicating with rather than being busy. But unless I get at least one positive response, I would never assume a provider has already dedicated some of her time to meet me and wouldn't feel a need to 'cancel'. I would assume there wasn't yet anything TO cancel at that point.

If anyone thinks that's the wrong way to handle it, I'm all ears.

There is a significant difference in the two situations of the girl's appearance and shape, and the monger's appearance and shape. The first is the matter of the advertisement. If a girl says in her ad that she is a 5'2", 110 lb. Hot looking spinner, and she turns out to be a 5', 160 lb. Mutt, then she is guilty of false advertising, and the guy has no obligation to do anything at all, leaving without a word is a viable option. Not rude, just real. Rude would be yelling at her and telling her she's a fat, ugly, lying *****. Don't do that, that's rude and even worse, unkind.

As far as us being old, fat, bald, ugly, etc., that's why we use providers. THEY KNOW that we are not young and handsome. (In General) But how many of us mongers tell a girl we are young, fit, and handsome when we are not? I would say none. That's not to say that we cannot overlook imperfections, it depends on how horny we are and how much we can afford. The second part of the deal is the money. If we tell a girl that we are willing to pay $1.5, show up, have fun and then give her .75, what do you think is going to happen? So don't come up with some wishy-washy tolerance crap about its rude to turn away from a woman who uses deceptive advertising to do the old bait and switch.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]Up there with the bizarre laws that say you can't buy something an adult is freely and willingly trying to sell, A2 cuts a little slack on pics. If the girl DISCLOSES in her ad "These aren't my pics, but I'm shaped like this" and she is, I'm ok with it. We have a AA provider on the forum that used to use this internet big bootie models photos. At first she didn't disclose the deal so I took them down because there are no "fake pics" allowed on the USASG. (I use chrome and right click to search all new advertisers pics to make sure). She and I started emailing a little and she ended up sending me a pic of herself (with clothing you assholes) and damned if she didn't look (body) just like the chick who's pics she was using. Her face was different, she was really cute, just different. So I told her that if she disclosed it she could do it.

Regarding the balance between appearance and service; A2 would much rather see a 7 or 8 that fucked like a 12 than a 9 or 10 that fucked like a 2. I'm absolutely over the chicks that think just showing up is all they have to do because they are really hot. Half of the world was born with a pussy, just because the life support system for yours is wrapped in a nice package doesn't mean you're done working. One of the surest ways to spot this, IMHO, is where they are pricing themselves within the locally acceptable range. Chicks that are trying to charge 150% or more over the top end of customary for the local market are saying something beyond price to me. To me, with that price they are saying, "I'm so fucking much hotter than anybody else here that you are lucky I need the money and am willing to demean myself enough to let your fat, greasy, fingers touch my hallowed flesh." Fuck them, you're a hooker, get to work. (My love of hookers is well know, it's the fucking princesses that piss me off).

Regarding fat, stinky, greasy mongers that don't fucking bath; I've experienced both sides of this equation. (not the no bathing part) and my experience tells me this. Chicks look at clients in a bunch of different ways. I'll talk about two.[LIST]Oh, he's kinda hot, I think I'd fuck him anyway, AND I get paid. Bonus! This one seems to end up with a lot of screaming "Oh God" and "Fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, fuck me's. With very, very, very moist dripping pussies.[/LIST][LIST]Oh fuck, well the rents due, let's go to work. This one seemed to have a lot of those porno soundtrack moans and faces that seemed to be composing the to-do list for after you're gone. "Gotta go pick up Tommy, then go to the store because we are out of milk and bread, then band camp for Susie, then..." No moistness here.[/LIST]
I added this after reading PD's post. I'm not saying that if a guy is fat, old, and bald but clean and decently groomed the chick shouldn't do a good job. The money is so I can be selfish about my pleasure and not have to play any of the stupid games. I'm saying that like anybody else, if the job is pleasant, they will be whistling while they work.

Bottom line, get off your ass and do a couple pushups, not for them, for you.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582] If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be? I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]Hmmm?

I shortened what you said just to make it easy on the eyes. I agree with some of what you say, especially that there really is no correlation between sexual performance and physical attractiveness, but not sure I can ride along with you on the two statements I took a little out of context above.

In my experience, while some of the ladies may connect with chemistry, personality, etc., for the most part most of them will admit, when being honest that this is the most appealing thing they will ever find in any man:

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That aside, yes, if you do your best to make yourself a more pleasant session, you might get better service. Of course, sometimes we just don't have our A game, so sometimes the white envelop will just have to be enouh: [B] a wink and nod at the poor young lady I was with; didn't have even my D last night.[/B].

On the issue of pictures and actual appearance, well, I have mixed feelings on that. How much is cold feet, and how much is a legitimate complaint that there was a bait and switch? Sadly that is often hard to determine, except in obvious, ridiculous false advertising, in which case you are perfectly justified in shaking dust and hitting the road, with apologies to none.

[QUOTE=SkirtChasa;2076582]I thought I'd move this conversation to the Octagon before it gets argumentive. Sex providers are not always what we expect when the door opens, right? Men who pay for sex, however, are all "GQ model material" with abs of steel. The next time you schedule an appointment with a provider and you're disappointed in appearances (much older, heavier, not so pretty, etc)., should you turn and run or give her a chance to provide her best to you? If every provider who was turned off by the old, fat, bald, smelly men who they open the door to says "no thanks", where would the hobby be?

From my own experiences, I've been with really pretty spinners who couldn't give a fuck about their performance and are a waste of money and I've been with homely or chubby women who gave me the ride of my life. If we mongers want a beauty queen on our arm, we should have married one or get on the dating scene until you find one. If we want great sex, sometimes we have to overlook the imperfections in the providers (as they do ours) and let nature take its course. I'm not saying we should overlook things like filthy rooms, other people hanging out, etc., but to turn and run due to looks alone is simply rude.[/QUOTE]I am not the spinner and not 18 but I love this hobby. I love as Admin 2 says being a "hooker". Also come my way you big, bald, and not stinky GENTLEMEN. If you do stink that is why I have a shower and will offer to jump in with you. Yet again no place like home and the gentlemen of Cincinnati. Bring on the big old fart teddy bears I love them.

Xoxox,

Stormy.

I just had a post get reported by a chick because he said she stole his phone. She said "he's my crazy ex boyfriend" and asked me to take it down. He's been a member with 500 posts and many, many good reviews as well as some bad ones.

Who do I believe, provider that registered to complain about that, or the guy who's been around forever? It's a toughy.