Safe Sex Information and Advice

There is a lot of media discussion about HPV levels in the US population right now. It says that 1 in 9 of us guys have oral HPV, presumably by DATY, though in point of fact, rates are higher among men who have sex with men. Anyway, a question is what we can do about this. Young people these days are being offered vaccines for HPV, Gardasil and another brand name. They are only recommended in the US up to 26 years of age. So, if you limit your partners to young women who had the shot, you should be fine. LOL. I wondered about other countries, and found out this about Canada, in a Canadian health magazine:

* didn't even consider getting the vaccine until he contracted genital warts. He says: "I first considered the vaccine out of fear. The genital warts were a nuisance and having them frozen off over a period of months was physically uncomfortable. It was a condition and treatment that I'd never want to experience again. ".

Even though Gardasil does not protect against HPV strains already contracted, it does against others, so * went through with his vaccination. He recently received his third and final dose and says that to him, prevention is paramount. "I see myself as equally responsible for the safety and well-being of my partners," he says. "The peace of mind alone is worth the cost and hassle. ".

Despite being 30-years-old. Over the recommended maximum age of 26 for men, * experienced no problems in getting his prescription. According to Dr. * since the Gardasil vaccine has now been approved for use in women up to age 45, it makes sense to do the same for men.

So, maybe us geezers can head north of the border and get it.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3586790]Yes it is out there. The ladies who do it are taking more risk than the men and most will say it is YMMV and at their discretion.

In many cases if the lady feels safe with you she will just proceed to doing it without asking. For those who won't, they will have the condom ready and waiting.

The question was raised as to why BBBJ and BBFS are linked in the same forum? For the educated it makes sense. BBBJ and BBFS have the same STD risk, so if you do one, then you should not be afraid of the other. Over my almost year 30 hobby life, I have gotten Chlamydia twice and in both cases it came from BBBJ, and it was from reputable, top tier ladies. I have also received the dreaded, "I think you should be tested. " phone call once. That instance proved to be negative, but it goes to show you that even if you and the lady are tested regularly, you can only claim that you are truely clean up to the next time you get a BBBJ.

The most risky act, BBANAL is never talked about. It is about the only way a man can get HIV from a woman sexually. The anus was not meant to take the stress of sex. The sphincter will tear and bleed. Blood equals risk for both parties. It is rumored that BBANAL is what made Magic Johnson HIV positive, his wife stayed clean while getting pregnant by him. Think about that a bit.

Because of the risk to the woman, BBFS should have an upcharge and should be at the lady's choice. If you are one of the ones that ask for it, then only ask once. If the answer is "No" then move on to CFS. Begging, bartering and attempted negotiation is a juvenile and unmanly thing to do.[/QUOTE]It is not the same risk, BBBJ and BBFS, and I encourage everyone that has questions to do research and consult with your doctor.

[QUOTE=LightYagami;3590004]It is not the same risk, BBBJ and BBFS, and I encourage everyone that has questions to do research and consult with your doctor.[/QUOTE]

According to the CDC it is.

[URL]https://m.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Adolescent-Health-Care/Addressing-Health-Risks-of-Noncoital-Sexual-Activity?IsMobileSet=true[/URL]

The Hobby has risks. Do your own research and determine your own risk assessment.

If you think you can't get infected by oral, you are wrong. It has happened to me twice in 30 years. Is it a risk that I am willing to take, yes.

I mainly posted what I did to try to make people do the research. Too many people go on hearsay. I do not. Both times that I got chlamydia I had open discussions with my doctor. The conclusion from both discussions was oral and vaginal sex have the same risks.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3591871]According to the CDC it is.

[URL]https://m.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Adolescent-Health-Care/Addressing-Health-Risks-of-Noncoital-Sexual-Activity?IsMobileSet=true[/URL]

The Hobby has risks. Do your own research and determine your own risk assessment.

If you think you can't get infected by oral, you are wrong. It has happened to me twice in 30 years. Is it a risk that I am willing to take, yes.

I mainly posted what I did to try to make people do the research. Too many people go on hearsay. I do not. Both times that I got chlamydia I had open discussions with my doctor. The conclusion from both discussions was oral and vaginal sex have the same risks.[/QUOTE]Did you read this article? Because the closest statement they make to a conclusion is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Nowhere in this article do they mention what you have said.

"The role of noncoital sexual activity in the transmission of other nonviral infections, such as vulvovaginal candidiasis, bacterial vaginosis, and trichomoniasis, remains unclear (10). ".

I had Hpv a few years ago. The easiest way to check your self. Is to spray Vinegar all over your junk and balls. Warts turn white when exposed to vinegar. (takes a few minutes to turn white).

If you do, nor fret they are incredibly easy to get rid of.

Now the way I did it was use abit of oil and cover the unexposed area with patrolium jelly. Now take a clove of garlic and cut a slice that fits over the region that has Hpv. Tape the garlic to it with sports tape. Change a few times a few. The wart will turn black and fall off. You will have a scab where it was. Takes about 2 weeks to heal. I spray vinegar after every incounter now. No reinfection. I also spray alittle up my urthrea (it's not bad) after every encounter.

I swear by it, started doing it a few years ago and no std's yet.

Out of well over 100+ encounteres BBFS BBBJ past year, still Clean. (I get myself checked every four months).

There must be something to it.

[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3500490]
The problem is, it feels SOOOO good to a man. If you only knew. Sex BB is like sex, Sex with a cover is not like sex, but an effort or more like work to try to feel good and try to be pleased with it and THAT is part of why BBBJ is a great alternative for guys. Quite safer for both and an extremely great feeling if done right, vs. A layer of latex and the issues that causes.[/QUOTE]

I have found that the THICKNESS of a condom, the material it is constructed of and the size make a HUGE difference in the way covered sex feels! Oh sure, I use to be unknowledgeable about this and would just grab whatever condom was cheapest or whatever the girl provided. And yeah, as OP pointed out it was often an unpleasant experience playing with the wrong condom.

But who ever heard of [B]thicknesses of condoms[/B]? Can't say I had ever heard it discussed much. Then one day I found a website that sold condoms and had tons of educational material. I discovered that the standard condom was 0. 070 mm thick. OK cool, whatever that means. But then I discovered that there were "thin" condoms that are 0. 055 MM thick and 0. 045 mm thick! I bought a bunch of these and YES! They made a difference!

In fact, recently had an experience with a FWB. I visited her twice in a week. First time I used the "thin" ones (0. 045 mm) and had an OK date. The second time, I brought a thin one (0. 045 mm) and a Magnum (0. 080 mm). Tossed the covers on the night stand and when it came time she suited me up. It was a terrible date as the sensation wasn't there and I didn't pop. As I left and picked up the unused condom I noted that it was the Magnum that had been used. So it was that extra thickness that lead to the lack of feeling for me. (she had a great time).

You can see the thicknesses of standard condoms here:

[URL]http://kimono-condoms.com/condom-size[/URL]

Look at the ribbed condoms. Some are as thick as 0. 121 mm! WOW. Pleasure for her, a HUGE buffer for the dude!

But the story doesn't end there! A friend from overseas pointed out that I was living in the past and the world has evolved! The standard "thinnest" condoms out there are now 0. 020 mm thick! That is half the thickness of the "standard" Thin condoms and WAY thinner than the average, 0. 070 mm. So look for the 002 condoms as they are marketed. I think the original ones are SAGAMI ORIGINALs. These are Japanese manufactured condoms that you have to buy overseas or off of ebay as I have never seen them in USA stores nor at most USA online condom retailers. Oh and technology marches on, there are now condoms that are 0. 018 mm thick. But can anyone feel the difference between 0. 020 and 0. 18 mm? The cost of the 0. 018 mm ones are like 3 times as expensive.

Now all of that said, YMMV. Had a buddy who used "whatever" condoms and one day I gave him a bunch of the 0. 055 mm thin ones to use with a FB on a trip. He reported he couldn't tell the difference. But for me I sure CAN tell the difference! The thinner the condom the better!

Also a consideration is [B]the material that condoms are made of.[/B] Oh sure for years there have been lamb skin condoms as it was felt that they had better heat transfer. But the standard condom is constructed with latex. Not so good for those with allergies or those who want heat transfer. So the new "world's thinnest" condoms are made of polyurethane which transfers heat much better. So material does matter.

The final comment is about [B]the size of a condom.[/B] If one does research they will see that condoms vary in length and diameter. How this matters is if one gets a condom that fits too tight it can deaden the sensations. So remember, if one is average or larger, then the original size of a Japanese condom might be a bit snug. (apparently the average Japanese dude is smaller) They do make a larger version of the Sagami's however.

I am not saying that I would engage in unprotected sex with a massage girl if she initiated it and assured me she was safe, but, what do you guys think?

Some of these massage girls seem cleaner than the girls who get picked up for one night stands?

A lot of my friends sleep with tons of women and never wear condoms. I know that it only takes one time to get a bad STD but if the girl isn't a drug user and is clean?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Barry.

[QUOTE=Barry101;3644460]I am not saying that I would engage in unprotected sex with a massage girl if she initiated it and assured me she was safe, but, what do you guys think?

Some of these massage girls seem cleaner than the girls who get picked up for one night stands?

A lot of my friends sleep with tons of women and never wear condoms. I know that it only takes one time to get a bad STD but if the girl isn't a drug user and is clean?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Barry.[/QUOTE]Don't be a fool. And never believe a girl that tells you ONLY YOU.

[QUOTE=Barry101;3644460]I am not saying that I would engage in unprotected sex with a massage girl if she initiated it and assured me she was safe, but, what do you guys think?

Some of these massage girls seem cleaner than the girls who get picked up for one night stands?

A lot of my friends sleep with tons of women and never wear condoms. I know that it only takes one time to get a bad STD but if the girl isn't a drug user and is clean?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Barry.[/QUOTE]DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT think about doing that. When it comes to paying for sex, you're pretty much playing a game of Russian roulette. Most of these girls have something or are going to catch something at some point.

It will never be worth the risk. I can tell by the question itself you're somewhat young, but back in the 90's there were HIV prevention ads that said stuff about not going by "she LOOKS clean. ".

Are you seriously going to believe her?

As they say on ESPN. Come on man.

Yes, she makes you feel like its all about you.

That's part of her charm. But, in reality you ain't the only one. She says is to all of us.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;3644745]Don't be a fool. And never believe a girl that tells you ONLY YOU.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barry101;3644460]I am not saying that I would engage in unprotected sex with a massage girl if she initiated it and assured me she was safe, but, what do you guys think?

Some of these massage girls seem cleaner than the girls who get picked up for one night stands?

A lot of my friends sleep with tons of women and never wear condoms. I know that it only takes one time to get a bad STD but if the girl isn't a drug user and is clean?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Barry.[/QUOTE]"safety" is all about risk. How one perceives risk and what levels of risk on is willing to take.

Problem is that humans are inherently terrible at perceiving risk, understanding it ad managing it. Oh sure, we are smart enough not to walk into a cage with a hungry lion, but other things that are less concrete and more abstract we all perceive risk differently.

Even now with the politicization of science, many now distrust facts and think they are rhetoric. Also human emotion what it is, we have evolved to a place where we feel we have to be "right" all of the time and take a position and be unmovable on it, even on line (where we could rightly learn something).

So how one perceives risk and what level of risk one wants to take and how one manages that risk are all factors. It isn't one simple answer.

On one of these threads is some detailed scientific information on the rates of transmission of each STD from one partner to another. Rates are relatively low overall for female to male transmission. Also, the condition of one's penis matters too: the skin is a nice barrier- but if the skin is compromised in some way (cut, sore, opening, rash, chaffed, etc) it can lead to higher transmission. Also anal sex is a significant level of higher risk. Then the likelihood of a girl having something to catch is key too.

Oh, I know, back in the 80's when HIV / AIDS was discovered there was a huge campaign to "educate" the public. Unfortunately that education, based on old information (like a brick telephone) is out dated. But many stick to that rhetoric as if it were fact and religion. But the fact is that less than 2% of the population is living with HIV. Drill into the numbers and 60% of those are men who have sex with men. Drill further and one will see that the rate of white women living with HIV is less than 2-tenths of a percent, <0. 2%. The rate for Asian women is even less.

Also know that there is nothing out there today that will kill you, especially since everyone has Obamacare.

As far as AMP girls go. I am reminded of the common knowledge / advice given to dudes visiting Thailand. If you are going to go with a girl, choose a go-go or beer bar girl as those establishments make sure the girls are checked and medically cleared. The "freelancers" or SWers may not have been checked and thus have a higher risk.

So if you are scared of "one time" being all it takes to catch an STD, then stay out of the hobby and be monogamous (100% safe) or use condoms 100% of the time with a known, tested-clean girl! If one is willing to accept some risk. Do some research & find out the transmission rates, things one can do to lower risk and make a rational decision, not an emotional one.

With the new thinner condoms, many of the issues of why dudes don't like them may be gone. So give them a try.

Just read the replies to the ordinal message (after I had replied).

Yeah, I see where they are coming from. Sure a girl can tell ten guys that he is the only one she is having BB sex with. The reason they do that is that most guys won't date a girl who offers BB sex as they perceive it as too risky. But I have found, when pressed and questioned appropriately (non accusatorily) that many girls will report how many dudes they offer bb sex too. I have observed that is often just a few and not large numbers and usually only the married guys that see them regularly (at least weekly). But hey, I believe most people are inherently truthful and when given an "out" to avoid PC backlash will be honest. That said, add addiction into the mix and throw that idea in the waste bin. Also found that those who have no compunction about lying them selves usually don't trust anyone.

But yeah, back in the 80's or 90's when the mass HIV public "education" was going on, there was a lot of rhetoric. Things like sleeping with someone means you are sleeping with everyone they slept with in the last 10-years. Yeah, I get that concept and understand why it was used (fear factor), but let me ask this - does someone getting tested for a full panel of STDs break that chain? If someone tests clean, then they did't get anything from all those people from the last 10 years!

And then there is the "she looks clean" stuff. Yes that is a good point. No one an tell by just looking. But that was a scare tactic to push HIV infection into the "unknown" and thus play with the normal psyche and mess with our abilities to process rationally the facts. The point is that TESTING proves a girl is clean. Most all test sites will provide paperwork proof.

Oh and then there is the myth, from old technology (think brick cell phones) that a person isn't clean until they have two clean test results 3-month apart. Problem is that is based on the old technology of HIV testing that looks for antibodies to the virus. Yes, in SOME people it might take as long as 3-month for their body to create antibodies to the HIV virus. But new technology exists (think tablets & smart phones) that can detect the actual virus as soon as 10-days time! So yeah, if one wants to be assured they are clean, make sure you are using the antigen test (new technology).

Also, let's think rationally about the science. If a girl has sex with an HIV+ dude (Guy1) on Day 1 and does indeed get the virus, at what date has the virus replicated enough, so that there is a high enough "load" of HIV in her system such that it CAN be transmitted to Guy2? If modern science (antigen testing) can't detect it until 10-days, is the load large enough to be transmitted?

The CDC has a new tool out there one can use to evaluate risk of HIV infection.

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/[/URL]

Use it to get knowledgeable on the topic!

I know for me that fear comes from a lack of knowledge. Once I understood the facts of risk, transmission and prevalence of STDs I was better able to manage my risk on a rational rather than emotional basis. While fear is a good thing and a way to avoid stepping into the lion cage, it didn't need to cloud my judgement.

Remember condoms are a tried and true method of being protective and reducing risk. If condoms don't work for you, perhaps you are using the wrong ones?

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html[/URL]#-sb.

Great information.

I know that I am safe and my risk is minimal. I would never think that I would be this woman's "only" but I trust her to know risk and we discussed it at length.

Having the information to make an informed decision is key!

Thanks again for a very thoughtful response. I appreciate it!

Barry.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3645291]"safety" is all about risk. How one perceives risk and what levels of risk on is willing to take.

Problem is that humans are inherently terrible at perceiving risk, understanding it ad managing it. Oh sure, we are smart enough not to walk into a cage with a hungry lion, but other things that are less concrete and more abstract we all perceive risk differently.

Even now with the politicization of science, many now distrust facts and think they are rhetoric. Also human emotion what it is, we have evolved to a place where we feel we have to be "right" all of the time and take a position and be unmovable on it, even on line (where we could rightly learn something).

So how one perceives risk and what level of risk one wants to take and how one manages that risk are all factors. It isn't one simple answer.

On one of these threads is some detailed scientific information on the rates of transmission of each STD from one partner to another. Rates are relatively low overall for female to male transmission. Also, the condition of one's penis matters too: the skin is a nice barrier- but if the skin is compromised in some way (cut, sore, opening, rash, chaffed, etc) it can lead to higher transmission. Also anal sex is a significant level of higher risk. Then the likelihood of a girl having something to catch is key too..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3643384]I have found that the THICKNESS of a condom, the material it is constructed of and the size make a HUGE difference in the way covered sex feels! [/QUOTE]Here is some more info on thin condoms:

[URL]https://www.condom-sizes.org/thinnest-condoms/thinnest-condoms[/URL]

For latex condoms, new size options are available:

[URL]https://myonecondoms.com/[/URL]

The female condom has many advantages:

[URL]https://fc2.us.com/[/URL]

Latex free, can use any type of lube. One size fits all. The man feels friction, not just heat and pressure. Feels like bareback for the man. More skin covered, for better safety. The woman inserts it in advance, so there is no fumbling when ready for penetration. Switching partners in a threesome doesn't require a condom change. Negatives are higher price, harder to use and extra lube required on man's side.

Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]I don't recommend BBFS with iv drug users. The percentage of needle sharing is high and can lead to one acquiring Hepatitis and HIV, etc. Always insist on having the lights turned on, preferably all to shine the light on not just iv track marks but also any lesions that are suspicious for HSV, granuloma, condylomata, vaginal discharge, etc. Stay safe A.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]The risk of female to male transmission for HIV is very low, however, IV users have a much higher incidence of HIV and Hep. It can't be worth worrying for the next 8 weeks about what she may have given you, all for a few minutes of feeling a raw pussy.

I have been a BBFS fan, but always try to make sure that they are not IV users. It just adds a whole new lever of risk for things other than HIV.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]I don't BBFS with a provider that doesn't look clean or if they have evidence of drug use. Just not worth it if you know they are extra high risk. For example, saw missmargaret on TNA.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?339342-missmargaret[/URL]

After initial assessment of her place being a dive, marks on her arms, and general feel of who she was I chose to use a rubber even though she wanted BBFS. I am glad I did and walked away without the dirty feeling you sometimes get with a bad encounter.

After fucking her and getting a better look, she seemed clean enough as her vag had no smell and the marks on her arms were probably from razor blades from failed suicide attempts as opposed to drug needles. She may be an ok candidate for BBFS but I don't think I will return. For those who might be interested, she really likes it rough. Choke her with your cock and pile drive her. She can take it.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]

Sigh, the below replies are not surprising, as before I did much research and started asking health care professionals to verify my findings, I though the same thing.

First, everyone assumes that needle sharing is rampant. It "could" be. But before assuming that, check and see if your state or local government permits / has needle exchange programs. I know in my state there are needle exchange programs and all of the girls that have a need know what day and time those exchanges are open and most head there. Just because one is addicted, doesn't mean that they are stupid or have a death wish. Most girls know about HIV and that it "can be" spread by sharing needles, so most have changed their behaviors and DO NOT share needles.

Second, look at your state's Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Report. There one should see tables or charts of causes of HIV transmission: [I](see attached table)[/I].

The table shows that the risk of People Who Inject Drugs (PWID) of transmission is relatively low. I attached Philly's info as it was the fastest I could get to but each state is required to provide to the CDC and also publish an annual HIV / AIDS report, so specific info for your area should be available. Table shows that of NEW cases each year, the method of transmission of HIV was 11% (2012) and now has dropped in half (2016). And with the transmission risk being 5. 5% relatively low (one-tenth), especially compared to Men who have sex with men 56%! So to assume all IV drug users are transmitting HIV rapidly is old school thinking and not supported by recent data.

Next let me comment on having to wait 8 weeks to detect HIV. Again this was true in the 1990's when awareness started and the technology that existed was antibody tests. But technology moves on and there are now antigen tests that can detect fragments of HIV as soon as 10 days. Some test sites use a combination of antigen / antibody tests, so IF timing is important to you, then seek out a site that includes antigen testing.

Yes, the risk of transmission of HIV from female to males is very low, see the chart here:

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html[/URL]

Point being that the skin was designed as a decent barrier and HIV needs to "get inside" in order to replicate and cause AIDS. If your junk is free of cuts, scarps, rashes, rubbed / raw, chaffed skin then F2M transmission should be very low!

OP have postulated that one should examine a girl for track marks, etc. No one can "tell" if a girl is clean just by looking! Addicts are great at hiding their addictions: inject them selves in hidden places you wouldn't think to look. But also, can a lay person with little or no technical training tell the difference between a skin tag and genital warts or some other sign of infection?

The point is that you need to ASK a girl her status and study her reaction as she provides it. I think most people are truthful about such things. It takes a pretty callous person to knowingly have an STD and agree to BBFS and infect another.

But the question was about IV Drug Users. The problem with addicts isn't needle sharing, it is the ADDICTION! When one is Jonesing they NEED a fix, most will do just about anything to get that fix. SO therein lies the risk. They will have sex with anyone to get the fix. So if a girl is desperate and Jonesing when you see her, she probably will lie, in order to get her meds. But I have seen high functioning addicts who aren't on the streets, who plan their days and are able to get the money for their meds before it is a problem. Those girls can choose who to BBFS with and don't have to take anyone who comes along.

Look the bottom line is the BBFS is about [B]RISK [/B] how one perceives it, how one manages it. See my discussion of risk here:

#811.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3645291&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3645291.

Some of the above stuff & more was discussed in that post as well:

#812.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3645325&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3645325.

OP gave links to new thinner condoms, which feel better than thick vending machine condoms:

#815.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3646157&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3646157.

Good Luck!

This chart, from the CDC, shows the transmission categories for HIV infection. Those working off of "old information" assume that the rate is high. It was in the 1990's, but with needle exchange programs and education, that form of transmission has dropped to VERY low levels!

Page 6 here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library/slidesets/cdc-hiv-surveillance-persons-who-inject-drugs-2016.pdf[/URL]

So. Who is most likely to have HIV?

What are the most risky populations?

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/statistics.html[/URL]

In the whole USA, in ALL of 2016 only 1032 new cases of HIV infection among white women! That versus 4189 cases in Black Women.

[QUOTE=ChevyChase;3655915]Risk associated with dreaming about BBBJ? Are there any, really?[/QUOTE]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!!

[QUOTE=UtrLvr41;3656143]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!![/QUOTE]Also herpes hsv-1 and hsv-2. 1 out of 6 in USA have herpes. Most no symptoms. So do have lesions and pain from it.

[QUOTE=UtrLvr41;3656143]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!![/QUOTE]Always best to be armed with the facts:

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreased_risk/less_risky.html[/URL]

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/transmit/activities/oral_sex.html[/URL]

And remember, you guys should be getting tested as often as us ladies, the recommendation being every 3 months. It is the general consensus that one cannot detect an infection any sooner (ie. Texting every month), unless you are experiencing observable symptoms.

Happy Holidays,

Noelle.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3653765]So. Who is most likely to have HIV?

What are the most risky populations?

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/statistics.html[/URL]

In the whole USA, in ALL of 2016 only 1032 new cases of HIV infection among white women! That versus 4189 cases in Black Women.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post. Interesting. I didn't see any statistics for white, Hispanic or other heterosexual contact.

[QUOTE=Noelle;3657190]Always best to be armed with the facts:

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreased_risk/less_risky.html[/URL]

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/transmit/activities/oral_sex.html[/URL]

And remember, you guys should be getting tested as often as us ladies, the recommendation being every 3 months. It is the general consensus that one cannot detect an infection any sooner (ie. Texting every month), unless you are experiencing observable symptoms.

Happy Holidays,

Noelle.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing those links / statistics on Oral transmission of HIV! Important information that everyone should read and understand. Too many "myths" out there and people posting opinions that are not supported by the facts.

As far as frequency of testing goes, 3-months should catch everyone, but be aware that antigen / antibody tests run by a laboratory can detect HIV as early as 18 days and maybe as late as 45 days. So getting tested via the lab route ever 2-months would be more protective. [I](see attached)[/I].

But also be aware that if one thinks they may have been exposed to HIV, DO NOT WAIT! Go see a doctor, as within 72- hours there is something like a "morning after pill!" It is called PreP. Prep is a cocktail of anti-retrovirus drugs. Taking a course of these drugs can prevent the HIV from taking hold!

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3657200]Thanks for the post. Interesting. I didn't see any statistics for white, Hispanic or other heterosexual contact.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are asking. The last two bars on the bottom of that bar chart are indeed for white and Hispanic women for heterosexual contact.

If you wish to know the risk in your area it is best to look at you state's annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance report. That should have specific statistics on women and race. Tell me what state that is and I'll take a look for you.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3657778]Not sure what you are asking. The last two bars on the bottom of that bar chart are indeed for white and Hispanic women for heterosexual contact.

If you wish to know the risk in your area it is best to look at you state's annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance report. That should have specific statistics on women and race. Tell me what state that is and I'll take a look for you.[/QUOTE]I meant to say that I did not see a category for white male (heterosexual contact).

By the way, I've used [URL]https://www.talenttestingservice.com/[/URL] in the past and it's pretty easy. There are many draw locations in my area and they overnight the samples down to Southern California. If you're shooting porn, they are one of the labs that you have to go through.

Be safe out there.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3660171]I meant to say that I did not see a category for white male (heterosexual contact).[/QUOTE]For me personally, I don't care what is the incident rate of, or how many, heterosexual men are living with an HIV infection because I do not plan on having sex with ANY man! But the number of men who have sex with men (MSM) is shown, but relevant to me only in that it shows that a majority of those living with HIV are MSM.

However, from this chair it would appear that my risk for contracting HIV from a sexual partner IS directly related to the number of women that are living with HIV. Because [b]the statistics presented previously show (on a national basis) how many women of various ethnicities are living with an HIV infection,[/b] I can gauge my risk of contracting HIV should I play without the benefit of a condom.

That said, those are CDC numbers on a national basis, for me it makes sense to understand the numbers and ethnicities of women in my area, so I have looked up my state's annual HIV / AIDS incident report. Also, in some of the major metropolitan areas, there are Health Departments that produced their own Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Reports, so more site specific information maybe available.

[B]Deciphering one's RISK is a bit tricky- it depends on the number of or percentage of people living with HIV, the rate of transmission of HIV from one person to another, the type of sex one engages in and any protective measures one takes.[/B] So in general, the statistics show that the number of white women living with HIV is much less than the number of AA women living with HIV, which is greatly less than the number of MSM living with HIV. So I use those numbers as PART of my evaluation of who to engage as a sexual partner.

All fwiw. Everyone perceives risk differently and evaluates data and information differently. I think it makes sense to look at the facts from credible scientific sources (CDC, State Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Report) [i] (which shows how many or the percentages of people, by category, who are living with HIV)[/i] as part of my risk evaluation process.

Of course one can pretty much manage their risk to negligible numbers by using a condom with every act of penetrative sex.

Hey guys,

I'm not looking for any info on AIDs. I have my opinion on that one. I'm wondering how many of you have or have known someone who ended up with a STD wearing a condom. The info I get online is so confusing. It looks like a condom doesn't fully protect against herpes. Is this really true? I don't just mean if it breaks. I'm married and my life would be destroyed if I were to get an STD. Obviously, I'm not one to do anything bareback. I guess I can stick with FBSM and handies. Also, a lot of you are into DATY. Is that not also poor safety?

[QUOTE=BoulderBoy;3674929]Hey guys,

I'm not looking for any info on AIDs. I have my opinion on that one. I'm wondering how many of you have or have known someone who ended up with a STD wearing a condom. The info I get online is so confusing. It looks like a condom doesn't fully protect against herpes. Is this really true? I don't just mean if it breaks. I'm married and . Obviously, I'm not one to do anything bareback. I guess I can stick with FBSM and handies. Also, a lot of you are into DATY. Is that not also poor safety?[/QUOTE]First I do not understand how one could be confused by online information? Only look at credible scientific sources like the USA Gubmint Center for Disease Control (CDC). That is their job and IF they get something wrong online, Tonnes of people are jumping on them to get it corrected. But hey, look at opinion sites and pseudo-scientific sites and then perhaps one could get conflicting information. CDC Detailed Fact Sheet:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes-detailed.htm[/URL]

The reason a condom may not be protective with someone who has herpes is that the lesion or sore or shed site might be outside the vagina, in areas that are contacted by one's own pubic area skin. So unless you wear "lap dance pants" and wear a condom, there are parts of a woman's anatomy that "could" be a viral shed site and thus come in contact with your bare / uncovered skin.

But two things I see in you comment:

1) What is your "opinion" on HIV? The way you said that appears as though one does not believe the facts and has a "belief" of something different. I am NOT criticizing that at all, no everyone is entitled to their own beliefs / opinions. But it suggests a low risk tolerance?

2) You are married and scared to death of taking something home.

Look, decisions on how one plays in this hobby are based on one's personal view of "risk". Be that an irrational fear or an view based on facts. I discussed risk perception here (post #811):

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3645291&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3645291.

So I won't repeat that discussion.

Here is one person's view of the situation:

1. You have to talk to your potential partners about any diseases they might have, when they were last tested and what those tests included. If that is too uncomfortable, skip the sex. I believe that most people are inherently honest and truthful (drug addicts excepted) and most will tell you if they have something. Yeah, sure one might not know, so only those who were tested for whatever one is concerned about.

2. These items from the CDC fact sheet seem pertinent:

[I]Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during genital contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection.

In persons with asymptomatic HSV-2 infections, genital HSV shedding occurs on 10.2% of days, compared to 20.1% of days among those with symptomatic infections. [/I]

3. Transmission rates are important, most people think, "it only takes one time" which is absolutely true, but it does not mean that one and only one, or a FIRST contact is going to mean successful transmission. Look atteh info in this post by FooteRoger where he has collected the transmission rates for various STDs. He also includes where he got the information.

#734 [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3179369&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3179369.

He corrected a small error in the HSV numbers here, #737:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3180791&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3180791.

So that shows a transmission rate of 015% or 1/6700 sex acts for Herpes HSV2. Detailed transmission info is tough to find as it is burried deep in Medical studies in scientific journals that are written in medicaleeze. Apparently the transmission rate for oral transmission F2 M BBBJ is LOW but hard to find and not found.

4. Now this should set off purists and make their heads spin, but immediately AFTER sexual contact wash you junk and / or use some other antiseptic. The point is nothing like that is going to 100% prevent infection, but it CAN reduce the risk.

5. What is one's risk tolerance? That is the starting point. If one thinks the consequences of action A are too high then take actions that avoid the consequences. So if ones " life would be destroyed if I were to get an STD" then what level of risk is one willing to take? Some illicit sexual fun on the side that breaks wedding vows vs a destroyed life? Only you can make this evaluation.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=PasionMmx;3698938]We should all agree on certain terminology to clarify. In Miami, GFE was BBBJ and CFS, and Ultra GFE was BBBJ and BBFS. I like your suggestions, but I feel like "not quite GFE" is a little negative and will cause white knights to show up, or even girls to defend themselves in the USA review board. "Not quite GFE? You didn't say that when we were LFK!" We need more positive terms.[/QUOTE]I guess I need to revise all my reviews, never have BBFS, too dangerous. I'd agree with BBBJ, DFK and CFS equals GFE for me. You can always PM the reviewer for details.

OO.

FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

[URL]https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-you-can-get-while-wearing-a-condom/[/URL]

[QUOTE=OliverOil;3699151]I guess I need to revise all my reviews, never have BBFS, too dangerous. I'd agree with BBBJ, DFK and CFS equals GFE for me. You can always PM the reviewer for details.

OO.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board. I see that you are a newbie. I look forward to seeing some great reviews here! Keep us posted on your covered fun.

[QUOTE=Jjones3;3698841]When I expetience GFE I run like hell! I've been offered BBFS too many times, and that to me is a red flag. DFK, not for me. GFE is what I'm trying to avoid. No emotional strings. Reciprocal. Otherwise, you're only fooling yourself. To each their own I guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryPlopper;3699685]FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

[URL]https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-you-can-get-while-wearing-a-condom/[/URL][/QUOTE]Now I like BBFS as much as the next guy, but it seems like there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and choosing not to use a condom [I]specifically[/I] because you think it doesn't protect you isn't a good idea. Definitely, some infections you can get with or without a condom, but the ones that condoms DO protect against are the ones that you should worry about. The ones that are extremely common / dangerous, mainly chlamydia (extremely common and contagious), gonorrhea (extremely common and contagious), and HIV (extremely dangerous). The infections in that list you can get, sure, but you probably won't with / without a rubber: you can be vaccinated for the dangerous strains of HPV, syphilis is pretty rare now (and you'd see a giant, weeping sore which would be a good indicator to stay away), and when was the last time you heard someone contracting lice / molluscum?

I'm not advocating anyone does or doesn't use a rubber, I just think it's good to know all the facts before you decide.

[QUOTE=HarryPlopper;3699685]FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

[URL]https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-you-can-get-while-wearing-a-condom/[/URL][/QUOTE]Finally! Someone who get's it! The only guarantee is abstinence!

[QUOTE=VMakel;3699724]Now I like BBFS as much as the next guy, but it seems like there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and choosing not to use a condom [I]specifically[/I] because you think it doesn't protect you isn't a good idea. Definitely, some infections you can get with or without a condom, but the ones that condoms DO protect against are the ones that you should worry about. The ones that are extremely common / dangerous, mainly chlamydia (extremely common and contagious), gonorrhea (extremely common and contagious), and HIV (extremely dangerous). The infections in that list you can get, sure, but you probably won't with / without a rubber: you can be vaccinated for the dangerous strains of HPV, syphilis is pretty rare now (and you'd see a giant, weeping sore which would be a good indicator to stay away), and when was the last time you heard someone contracting lice / molluscum?

I'm not advocating anyone does or doesn't use a rubber, I just think it's good to know all the facts before you decide.[/QUOTE]1) I agree not using a condom because it might not protect you from something. Is crazy talk.

2) How is HIV "extremely dangerous?" That is the brain-washing from the 1990's that the government wants everyone to believe so that they can direct and control behavior. The conservatives want to tell you to be only in a monogamous relationship. However, health professions at testing facilities have told me and other health professionals have confirmed that HIV is no longer a death sentence, but now a manageable chronic condition. In fact if one is on anti-retroviral medication viral loads in the body are driven down to the non-detect level. Oh and since everyone has health insurance under ObamaCare, everyone should have access to the medication.

3) Vaccination for HPV is NOT available to anyone over the age of 26. Also, last trip to the County HD for STD testing had a long convo on HPV. Usually in a dude the body naturally clears most HPV infection in a couple of years.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html[/URL] Looks like the risk of HPV being a bad player depends on one's number of sexual partners ( 50) [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3231998/[/URL].

What makes the issue of "safe sex" so difficult is "beliefs" based on myths based on old science or just plain propaganda. This discussion needs to have "opinions" backed up by credible sources.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;3699984]Finally! Someone who get's it! The only guarantee is abstinence![/QUOTE]What I got out of that blog post was an indictment of lambskin or natural membrane type of condoms. Yes, those membranes might have pores that are small enough to allow the passage of pathogens.

But it does not say that latex or PVC condoms suffer from that problem! So to extend a conclusion to ALL condoms is a fallacy. If indeed there is credible evidence that PVC or Latex condoms allow the passage of pathogens, then none should post a link to that study, report or data.

Like I have said, too many "opinions" out there, and too much "spin" used to club you into submission of monogamy or whatever their agenda is.