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[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]I thought about this after I slept on it. It says right on the wall what the attendant is making for the session which is $45. I know a person who is a marketing mgr for a medical device company who creates leads for the salespeople makes $40/hour, (she has an MBA from Yale). The workers at ERS are not required to be liscensed or have any training at all. The workers for the UAW recently took a paycut to keep their jobs and they were averaging around $23/hour. A plumber or electrical unioun worker doesn't make $45/hour. I would say that a mechanic probably makes that. I saw an ad for a liscensed massuese at a chiropractic clinic and they were offering $40/hour. I mentioned it to a girl who used to work at ERS (the one who was caught rifling through pockets) and she said, "that is chump change." To give it a little more perspective, if you check these forums in say Washington Park, IL there are a few places down there where good looking dancers, comparable to those at ERS will take you to a private room and give you more than what you get at ERS for $50 total. I think a message needs to be sent to the greedy women at ERS that we are in a tough economy and they are making pretty good money even if they don't get tipped. Just another couple of thoughts.[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly. While I am not cheap and will always tip, I believe that the going rate for a rub and tug ahould be in the $ range. At ERS which I have frequented a fair bit my tip is in the 20-25 range. When World went to.75 for their base fee, I began visiting MC down the street where the massage is.65, tip I provide is.4 and they don't ask for it. People who throw around extravagant amounts of money for service are responsible for wrecking attitudes and result in the "chump change" statement.

[QUOTE=Chicagobob]I agree with Robert387's post. I do not like being asked for tips and find it a bummer. I had a recent session with Jessica at ERS who asked for a tip 10 mins into the session. I replied that I am now able only to give you $20 for good service and she replied that she needed at least $60. Told her she's crazy and ended up getting a good typical HJ for $20 tip.

We mongers should ban together and discourage this practice. I do not mind tipping say $40 jsut do not like to be blatantly asked for it. How about if a waitress asked for her tip before she brought your meal. That would be wierd!

Maybe some of the girls will read this post

Chicagobob out.[/QUOTE]She did the same to me.

Add me to the growing list of people gripping about the ladies asking for tips. One fact that Bbbuddy left out is that all the jobs he listed are "hourly" wages. The girls in the massage joints don't work hourly. A girl in CLV or ERS can sit on her money-maker all day and only get 1 customer. That $45 then gets spread over 6 hours or so. Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending them, but if you're going to compare, make it apples to apples. I think a 20 or 25 tip is well within the norm, considering what you actually get for your money. " You may be right, I may be crazy."

Stinky Out Collecting Cans

I agree with you stinky, there are some girls at ERS that I will not choose to ever have massage me, however, it seems even they do get customers and I am sure they are making money or they wouldn't be there. The paticular girl I mentioned who made the comment about chump change used to brag about routinely be busy from the moment she came in until she left and would say she left with $1000. I would say 8 appointments of massage is considerable work but $1000, cmon. That's over $200k a year. Now who should we feel sorry for? The other fact you failed to recognize is that if she is making $1000 a day then she is making at least $500 or more in tips which is not taxed that's worth at least another $125 per day. Again, I agree there are girls that do much less but they IMHO look like they can't expect to be in this league.

Luckily there were no parades going on when I was passing through, so I successfully made my return visit to ERS recently. I ended up picking Jamie since I remembered the name from here and thought that it had been mentioned in a positive light. I found her to be attractive, pleasant to talk to, and very competent at massage work. On the down side, I found her to be a little too business like during the massage compared to the sensual, flirty, playful attitude that my previous session with Nina had. Though she did get "comfortable" prior to starting the massage and did warm up nicely on the flip, it seemed she intentionally avoided coming into touching range during the massage itself and confined her rubbing to the strictly legit areas. In all fairness, I can't call the session bad since it was on par with the average service I am used to in HJ only AMPs for roughly the same price, It just wasn't what I was expecting/ looking for at that time so I felt a little let down. Bottom line, I wouldn't leave if she was the only one available, but I won't make seeing her a top priority on future visits either.


In reference to the discussion on tipping in the last several posts, I have not been asked for a tip during or after the session either time I was there. In both cases I left .25 and they seemed okay/happy with it. IMHO .70 for an hours work is a good wage. Even if they do only get one or two customers a day that is still pretty good money considering the work doesn't require any great amount of skill or education to do and the effort they have to put into earning it isn't exactly backbreaking labor either. I can remember a time when I worked alot harder for less. In the past I have experimented with offering higher tips in places where the tip is negotiated in advance to see if the service improved. I found that in most cases you simply end up paying more for the same level of effort and generally wasting your money. Based on that opinion, if the tip is negotiated up front I offer the "going rate" based on what I see here and refuse to budge. I have never been refused extras, although at times I think the quality of the service probably suffered a bit due to hurt feelings. If no tip is agreed to prior, I follow the same basic principal as I do in restaurants. Better service= better tip and vice versa.

If one of the girls tried that on me I would get dressed and walk out and go right to the front desk and ask for my money back. There are signs right on the wall asking us to report girls asking for a tip...start doing it and this will stop right away.

[QUOTE=Robert387]Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.[/QUOTE]

The girls of CLV and ERS have known about this site for a long time. And in this entire time I believe there was only once that a girl actually posted a response. But when I read all of the last posts about tipping, I had to speak my mind. First of all, this is not a job where we are paid hourly. Someone did mention that earlier (thanks). We are not busy all day long, no matter how attractive. Things have been very slow due to the economy so sometimes we do sit all day. No one makes $1000 a day. The one person that did was doing extras and stealing and she was fired. We understand that tipping is not required. But if you don't wish to tip, do not try to do anything that is not included. What is included in the $45? A massage and a HJ. No breast kissing, no rubbing down there. So yes, if you're going to be doing all that extra touching, don't you think you should tip? We don't let you do it because its included, we do it hoping you'll be more satisfied and tip us. So, if you were asked for a tip, it was probably because you were doing some extra feeling around.

For the guy that said that a licensed masseuse earns $40, well is she naked and jacking you off? Obviously not, or you would go see her instead of coming to us. Regardless of whether the job involves skill, its very degrading to women. It doesn't matter what the girl says, she hates her job because there are a lot of unappreciative men that treat you like garbage. Of course we don't tell you that. We want to make you feel good, because thats part of our job. Some guys are very respectful and sweet and it does make the job a ton easier. But some are jerks that just want to paw you to death and complain about tips. You know who you are. Our job is hard mentally. But we do it because there are no jobs out there. There are good days but without tips, it doesn't equal much. Its not the amount of the tip. Its realizing that we provide a valuable service and appreciating that. We tip when we get our hair and nails done and go out to restaurants.

Have you not seen the high turnover in the last few months? Girls are sick of being mistreated. Many have left for regular jobs because the little extra they make working at massage parlours isn't worth it if you're treated like an object. We are not your sex toy that you get to manhandle for 45 bucks. We are real people. And the profession is about being mutually beneficial to each other. And I don't mean getting us off too. For all the guys that understand this, thank you. I'm sure you are one of the customers that are respectful and that we enjoy having. For everyone else, take it how you want to.

I think Massagegirl99 makes a great case for treating these ladies right.

[QUOTE=Massagegirl99]The girls of CLV and ERS have known about this site for a long time. And in this entire time I believe there was only once that a girl actually posted a response. But when I read all of the last posts about tipping, I had to speak my mind. First of all, this is not a job where we are paid hourly. Someone did mention that earlier (thanks). We are not busy all day long, no matter how attractive. Things have been very slow due to the economy so sometimes we do sit all day. No one makes $1000 a day. The one person that did was doing extras and stealing and she was fired. We understand that tipping is not required. But if you don't wish to tip, do not try to do anything that is not included. What is included in the $45? A massage and a HJ. No breast kissing, no rubbing down there. So yes, if you're going to be doing all that extra touching, don't you think you should tip? We don't let you do it because its included, we do it hoping you'll be more satisfied and tip us. So, if you were asked for a tip, it was probably because you were doing some extra feeling around.

For the guy that said that a licensed masseuse earns $40, well is she naked and jacking you off? Obviously not, or you would go see her instead of coming to us. Regardless of whether the job involves skill, its very degrading to women. It doesn't matter what the girl says, she hates her job because there are a lot of unappreciative men that treat you like garbage. Of course we don't tell you that. We want to make you feel good, because thats part of our job. Some guys are very respectful and sweet and it does make the job a ton easier. But some are jerks that just want to paw you to death and complain about tips. You know who you are. Our job is hard mentally. But we do it because there are no jobs out there. There are good days but without tips, it doesn't equal much. Its not the amount of the tip. Its realizing that we provide a valuable service and appreciating that. We tip when we get our hair and nails done and go out to restaurants.

Have you not seen the high turnover in the last few months? Girls are sick of being mistreated. Many have left for regular jobs because the little extra they make working at massage parlours isn't worth it if you're treated like an object. We are not your sex toy that you get to manhandle for 45 bucks. We are real people. And the profession is about being mutually beneficial to each other. And I don't mean getting us off too. For all the guys that understand this, thank you. I'm sure you are one of the customers that are respectful and that we enjoy having. For everyone else, take it how you want to.[/QUOTE]I do not post much on here, but I could not resist. If you get 2 or 3 customers per day at $45 shut up. Many of us make that per day working 8 hours a day. Then we pay taxes, you don't. If you don't like the job find another one or quit. Nobody is forcing you to work at any job. If you get a $10-20 tip be happy. The other thing is get your GED and go to college.

I am sorry that you are stuck in a job that is so degrading and that you hate. The plain truth is that in recent studies close to 75% of the american workforce hates their jobs, however I do empathize with the degradation factor.

It is valid what you said about tipping for stylists or waiters/bartenders, however, if you read the prior posts the girl in question was asking up front for a tip before any service was even rendered so your theory of them doing extra touching would not apply. If she politely explained that our standard massage includes exactly what you said and if there is any touching beyond that then an additional tip is customary I am sure the posters in question would not have been so turned off. So by your own argument if I go in and the massage is just an average massage and I don't even try any mutual touching then no tip should be required. I have two jobs and one of them is a position where I am paid tips and the other full time position is one where I generate commissions.(so neither of my postions do I have any guarantees) The position where I make tips I am on my feet for a 7 to 10 hour shift and deal with around 125 to 200 wanting drinks and to make $45/hour would be a good thing. Our points were plain and simple, it is a tough economy as you admitted in your post, and for someone to discuss tips up front when someone is already paying $95 is quite off putting.(and as you can see by reading the posts, it actually backfired on her twice and cost her $20 each time)

I don't know what type of goofball goes in there treating the women badly, however, personally I make it a way of life to respect everyone, whether it be the busboy that brings me my water or the attendant who gives me my massage. I know what it feels like to give your best and get nothing in return so I do empathize with your position, and from your post it doesn't sound like you are the girl in question that is asking for tips upfront. Since you can read the girl's name on here you might want to take her aside and explain that she is only hurting herself and others, as well as possibly driving men to other providers since I am quite sure that some of your customers probably drive all the way from the chicago suburbs to come to ERS. Just a thought, and appreciate your tactful post.

I think Massagegirl99 made a good post there. Your job is tough, no doubt about it.

I think MikinRock made a really lame post, simplistic, ignorant and downright angry.

As I've said in the past, I tip based on my experience. I treat the ladies with respect and what is/isn't allowed decides the level of tip. I've not tipped before and it was due to bad service & I spoke up.

Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.

When I was in a few weeks ago, I had no up sell because the girls I frequent already know I tip. If I had an up sell, I'd speak up & that I determine tip afterward and that it should be a matter of mutual trust. If the tip-talk went any further, I'd let them know it's a turn off and affecting the tip, plain and simple. Most girls respond better when treated better. As with any business, some customers aren't great & go too far - and some girls aren't customer friendly.

For the majority of time, I've had great girls w/great personalities and in turn, I've tried to be a decent customer. I leave happy & I believe the tip I leave is adequate for the level of service rendered.

It's not tipping if it's required at the beginning of the session. That's about as stupid as thinking that your paid an escort a donation, or that the girls report all their income to the irs.

It sounds like tipping is the new euphemism for upcharge.

ERS used to be a great deal. You pay your $80, and maybe tip $20 at the end. And that was a tip not an upcharge. Now it's like $140 total for a hj.

And yes, the job probably does suck, but it pays really well. If you don't like your situation then go to school and get a job that pays more.

I think there is a middle ground in all of this. I think it is unreasonable to expect a 60 dollar tip for just a massage, a peek at the goods and a HR. But I think it is ridiculous for the customer to think a lady should have deliver near everything you can reasonably expect to get for 0 to 20 dollars extra. I can see how they could feel degraded, even the old hags (not that they are all old hags, many are though) at the amps would expect more than 20, if they had to deliver the same service. I have been in this hobby long enough to know when one of these ladies is trying to do a good job and when one is trying to just get to the finish. I have also been around long enough to know what is a small tip and what is generous. I tip based upon my past experiences and what they cost, compare it to the current experience. If it compares to my better experiences, I am generous, if not the tip reflects it. I learned long ago that over tipping for bad service just encourages bad service, the same way that being cheap encourages bad service. I think Emp Fan laid it out perfect, besides CLV is down the street, 50 dollars door, 35 tip up front, that is pretty fair price for a massage and release. You may not think they are as young or attractive as ERS, or the massage may be a bit rushed, but you may get lucky and find someone who meets expectations and expects little or no tip.

Well, we've heard a lot here.

I haven't posted in a while but this topic has me typing again.

Man, I was thinking about making another trip to ERS soon, but now that we got the inside scoop as to how us customers are regarded, kinda takes the steam out of my enthusiasm.

I don't see the issue being if to tip and how much, but if it's proper to ask for a tip either before, or early into the session. Girl99, I think it's a valid point. When you get your nails done, or go for a meal, these folks don't ask what you're going to tip before they provide their services. You'd most likely consider that rude.

Once we've paid the door, we want to relax and enjoy a sensual experience. The last thing we need at that moment is to be reminded again that it's all about the money.

And as long as you've brought up our current economic situation from your standpoint, well I'd like to address that too.

I was doing allright until about a year ago when the company I was working for went Chapter 13. Many of us lost our jobs nationwide. I was unable to go to an MP for months, and finally found another job 8 months ago. My pay is nowhere near what it was, but I'm thankful that I'm working. But one change is, a visit to ERS is now a major financial decision. Sometimes I have to save up for a trip. Your post seems to suggest to me that while you're worried about how much you put in your purse (and I don't blame you one bit for that), you have no realization that I have to work almost a full day just to make enough money just for the door, then gas to and from the suburbs, the tip. Hey, sometimes.20 or.30 is a lot of money to someone like me.

I'm glad to have had a number of ladies tell me how much they enjoyed our session because of my gentlemanly behavior. But if you demand respect from us customers, at least respect the fact that a lot of us aren't wealthy and have to put in many hours at lousy jobs for one hour with you. And be thankful, in this economy, that there's enough of us still showing up at your door with our hard earned dollars.

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[QUOTE=Emp Fan 473]
Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.

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I agree that $17 an hour is not exactly great money and the IRS and state are certainly going to get theirs, but I think there is a crucial point this line of thinking leaves out. As several people have correctly pointed out the girls only get paid when they are "on the clock" with a customer and they might spend hours or possibly the entire day without getting a customer. While this is a valid point for the girl when considering if this line of work is worth the time she is investing, I would disagree with the apparent suggestion that the customers they do get should feel obligated to subsidize that down time with higher tips. In my opinion, the customer is only responsible for providing fair compensation for the hour they spend with the girl. Defining fair compensation is of course a matter of judgement that the customer has to make based on what they feel the service is worth, but $70 seems about right to me ($45 from the door and a $25 tip).

To put this is perspective, lets assume that we do tip more during slow times to help even out the girls income. Does that mean that on busy days they will offer a discount to even out our expenditures? Somehow I doubt it. Because of the intimate nature of the services involved it is sometimes hard to keep in mind that this is in fact a business transaction, but that is the case. Nothing more, nothing less. You can bet the girls never lose sight of that fact and neither should we customers. By all means treat the girls with common courtesy and respect, but don't let your emotions fool you into paying for more than the time you spend with her and the services rendered.

Mellow Guy really puts it all in perspective.

In the rest of the business world tips are supposed to reflect the quality of service; unfortunately in the restaurant business the 15% tip has basically become an expected amount regardless of service.

Of course this business operates in a gray area and the market will ultimately determine what's fair.

In this business what is a reasonable amount to tip for the basic services?

As far as what the girls make in a day that really isn't a concern of mine; I am only interested in how well I am taken care of. It should stand to reason that if business is slow she could (and should) offer a higher level of service since she isn't being worked as hard in the day. When that happens her tip should reflect it.

If the girls don't like what they are making they are free to get a job in the real world.

If we don't like their service we shouldn't patronize them.

Well, Zeuss, this is why this board exists.

When I first went venturing out into this hobby late (relatively) in life, I was lucky enough to find this board. I have used it's advise a lot.

I didn't know what to tip or what to expect, but the board showed me a guideline I still use. .2 for expected service, .3 if I thought it was better than expected. One time in Rockford I tipped .3, and was told "the usual tip is .4". Never saw the girl again. I'm not saying to adopt that rule, but it has worked for me, and I figure it into the cost of my trip.

This board also helps you find the providers that are worth spending your money on.
I'd be willing to bet that Diana from ERS doesn't complain about money too much. I found a high reccomendation about her on this board, and was glad I did. Every time has been great, and I felt worth every penny spent. My only problem with her is when I try to find her lately, it seems she's always booked with appointments. No wonder why. Now, I don't know Diana out of ERS, and for all I know, she thinks I'm a big dumb S.O.B., but in the room, she makes me feel like a king. She sure doesn't act like she hates her job.

Now, I use Diana as an example. I'm sure some other girls are giving great service too. Point is, we out here rely on the information on the board to steer us the right way. I gotta thank all the experienced posters here for the info they've shared and I've used to my benefit.

I also agree, Zuess, that a customer shouldn't be expected to pay more if they show up on a slow day, just as I don't think Burger King should charge extra for Whoppers on a slow day. I think Burger King should be grateful that I paid $4 for 2 Whoppers so their day wasn't as slow as it could have been.

Now, I'm not totally disagreeing with Massagegirl's posting. She does make some good points. Whatever you paid at the door, whatever you paid for a tip, you bought the massage, not the girl. She still is a human, with feelings and pressures and a real life. For those looking to grope and nibble because you think you'll get better service, good luck.

I've had a number of conversations with ladies who, after getting comfortable with me, have told me of some of the bizzare things guys will try to do during a session. My suggestion is once, just once, try treating her like a person, an human... there's plenty of time in the room to converse. Ask her questions. Let her talk about herself. I think you'll find that in the end, you'll get a way more enjoyable experience than if you go in acting like a wild animal.

Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.

Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?

I like this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs[/url]

[QUOTE=KingDd]Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.

Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?

I like this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs[/url][/QUOTE]

Most SWs probably don't even file. Especially the drug users. The IRS is more interested in the high price call girl, like the one that brought down Elliot Spitzer in New York. Unless the girl is bringing in six figures a year its probably not worth their time to investigate,

I remember and interesting story where the IRS estimated a call girl's income based on the number of towels she got each week from her laundry service.

[QUOTE=Robert387]Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.[/QUOTE]I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.

I visited ers yesterday, and had a really good session after a long day. Think her name was Kayla or Carly. Not much talking, which was good because I really wasn't in the mood. Tipped .2

[QUOTE=Klt5944]I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.[/QUOTE]Had this and didn't pay more than my normal tip. It's not her mouth, she's using the chin trick.

Not to start a pissing match, but what I said about taxes should be common knowledge by now, the IRS has been hiring and hitting "smaller fish" since they can make more $$ in a poor economy that way as opposed to bigger fish who can afford the legal help. It's no where near as complicated as you may assume with a lot of people filing electronically. If you have friends that are bartenders, waiters, etc. working on tips in "legit" industries, ask them & I guarantee you will hear that if they haven't been hit, they know a co-worker that has received the automated mailing for an audit.

In the meantime, I've moved away from visiting the ERS as much as I used to and head further up to Madison since you can get more at a flat rate. If you don't know about Madison, rtff on the WI page.

When you say had this, are you saying you agreed to the mouth bit and found out she was doing the chin trick and called her out on it and gave her the normal tip. Or did she not discuss anything first just did the chin trick.

Decided to take a drive and visit some old haunts. Stopped in @ ERS and had a session w/Sam. Hit the tub and then back to the room for a little r&r. Decent rubdown, nice personality.

Still requiring additional therapy, I made my way up to CL. I wasn't thrilled with the selection, so I took a pass.

Headed to Golden Hands and was about to walk out as the older babe at the door didn't do it for me, but I was told that Nat would be able to see me. I waited in the room for way too long when the older woman who greeted me walked in. She made some excuse that Nat wasn't there, although I knew she was because I heard her in the next room. Well, I shoulda left cause I don't like being lied to, but I had a kink in my neck, so I let her rub it out.

The old girl gave one helluva rub, probably the best I've ever had. Her technique must come from years of practice. Didn't catch her name, but you can't miss her.

[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]When you say had this, are you saying you agreed to the mouth bit and found out she was doing the chin trick and called her out on it and gave her the normal tip. Or did she not discuss anything first just did the chin trick.[/QUOTE]

We went through the whole 'more is available' and gave a quote and told her what I've said in the previous few posts. She gave the chin job, perhaps hoping I couldn't tell the difference. I complemented her on the cj when I tipped, just so we were both on the same page as to what was done & not done. I gave .3 which is .1 more than I usually tip - the overall experience was better than an average session at ERS.

Just to add to what I said yesterday, I usually frown on extras at ERS, since it isn't part of their normal routine. The girls that offer more are usually gone shortly after, no matter how good their service was. Don't know if they risk rocking the boat with the locals, who leave them pretty much alone, or they just don't want to go that route as a whole.

Hi all,

I'll be up in R-ford and Belvidere on Wednesday on business and am looking for some help in finding a little FS. I've read about CLV and ERS, although it seems FS isn't available...I might settle for less.

I would be appreciative if anyone could pm with some details on ERS or CLV (recommended providers, available services) or even some digits to providers. I will be happy to reciporocate with digits and descriptions of my providers in the city and burbs.

Thanks for any help you can give!

Just curious -- how many of you guys opt for the Jacuzzi when it's available? I used to and liked the "foreplay" in the pool; however, I've not partaken for the last few visits because it cuts into the already short time of the massage. Any strong preferences one way or the other?

[QUOTE=Robert387]Just curious -- how many of you guys opt for the Jacuzzi when it's available? I used to and liked the "foreplay" in the pool; however, I've not partaken for the last few visits because it cuts into the already short time of the massage. Any strong preferences one way or the other?[/QUOTE]

This subject has come up before. Personally, I won't do the jacuzzi. Not only does it shorten the time, but I refuse to sit in a tub where one of you mongets has already had your naked ass and balls. Not to mention, if someone gets real hot, I don't want your little spermies floating around me.
Nope, let me take a shower and have to girl crawl all over me, not your butt cheese.

Stinky Getting sick

[QUOTE=Mr Stinky]This subject has come up before. Personally, I won't do the jacuzzi. Not only does it shorten the time, but I refuse to sit in a tub where one of you mongets has already had your naked ass and balls. Not to mention, if someone gets real hot, I don't want your little spermies floating around me.
Nope, let me take a shower and have to girl crawl all over me, not your butt cheese.

Stinky Getting sick[/QUOTE]

gross..LOL

I'm with Stinky on this one.....for BOTH reasons.
I don't think the girls are real fond of it either.

Mac Man

Hadn't given it that much thought before, but Stinky's right on. Will skip it from now on.

I usually go in the jacuzzi but now that you guys mention it i will probably skip it next time, even thought the session i had last with jamie the jacuzzi was a lot of fun. I wonder how ofen they clean and change the water in there.

Hey Guys,

I post on the Michigan boards but always check on the places where I used to live or traveled to. I lived in Rockford, for 8 years, moved over 12 years ago but have a lot of fond memories of Belvidere and ERS and CLV, but mostly ERS. There was a tall blond that worked at ERS in the mid 90's, I can't remember her name, Shelly ...? She was average looks about 35, nice breasts C's ...this was 12 to 15 years ago ! She lived in Beloit, husband wasn't working and drank a lot. OK, I would always ask for her, or call and make an appointment because she would let me ...well....get her off... she would pull me toward her while she was lying on the table , and my fingers were working their magic, she would bite my shoulder and claw my back, and tell me to make her cum and she orgasimed. It led to an awesome HJ finish, with some dirty talking, always COB because she was so horny. The last two times I saw her, after I got her off, I did get a BBBJCOB.

So lets hear it for drunk unemployed husbands with hot wives ! YES !
Just some awesome memories....

The last time I was in Belvidere was in early 2000 after an apparent reform election to clean up the city and ERS was closed. CLV was open but the girls had to keep clothes on and you could "pleasure yourself" during the massage.

Glad to see its back to business as usual.

PM me if you are headed my way I'll let you know what I can. Again just rembering a few good times. And as always stay safe

Scheduled a session with Nina yesterday. Even though I planned on not doing so, I took the jacuzzi based on some good action with Jamie in there on a previous visit. Was OK this time, but will definitely skip in the future. Session was fine with everything done (doggone it) by the ERS rules. Tipped the standard .2 for which she gave a genuine "thank you." Will probably go with Nina again next time, skip the jacuzzi, and go for a double pop instead.

I have been watching this board for a few months and taking the information I have been viewing I finally went to ERS about two weeks ago and was very satisfied. Thank you gentlemen for all of the previous information posted to help us 'newbies'.

I do have a question about Nina. By chance is she the same Nina that I have seen post on CV, BP, and (well no more) CL? Early 20's, tattoos, and dark hair? Really curious since I wanted to call her way back when but never got around to it.

Again, thanks everyone for wonderful information.

I was always under the impression at ERS that:

1) The guy was supposed to shower there before the session starts

2) The jacuzzi was treated much like a swimming pool with a certain amount of chemical

3) Underwater pops were not allowed

Thus, I never worried about the jacuzzi. However, it's been a while, so maybe things have changed?

Greetings,

I was passing near ERS today, so I decided to stop in and see who was available. Luckily, Diana was not busy when I got there. So, I spent the hour visit with her, and had a good time. I know she is not everyone's preference, but I always have fun with her.

I normally skip the Jacuzzi too. I like to spend the extra time in the room.

SM

All your points are true. You can smell the chlorine when you go in the jacuzzi. I don't think there is any popping going on in the jacuzzi however with a little play going on there is a chance from some pre-jizz to be present, but again with the presence of all that chlorine I would think it is taken care of. I would worry more about the rednecks who don't wash their asses well.