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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2598969]This girl is now my new roommate. She is not asking for anything and is also not providing anything except good company for now. LOL. But I am working on her. She is not too comfortable being on my "list". Lets see what happens over the next week. In the meantime I will just keep fucking my regulars. She is 33, 5'7" and 117 lbs.[/QUOTE]I doubt she says "no" to a "c-note" LOL.
[QUOTE=Hundred;2599040]I think my buddy hit up that "33" year old one. Is she from the valley?[/QUOTE]No, she was living on the west side.
[QUOTE=CrazyJimWood;2599061]I doubt she says "no" to a "c-note" LOL.[/QUOTE]So far she has said no. She could get that note everyday if she wanted it. She is making me court her like a civvy girl. Its cool because I don't really have a GF that I see. Just a few regulars for sex but no dating activities.
Now I have a pretty girl to hang out with everyday and that will leave if I need to see one of my regular girls. She starts work tomorrow, a FT 9-5 in an office in DTLA. She has some means, which is why she can keep me at arms length. She doesnt really need my cash. But she does need a safe comfortable place to stay.
Is she praying to the almighty white penis god for strength & support I surmise?
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2599075]So far she has said no. She could get that note everyday if she wanted it. She is making me court her like a civvy girl. Its cool because I don't really have a GF that I see. Just a few regulars for sex but no dating activities.
Now I have a pretty girl to hang out with everyday and that will leave if I need to see one of my regular girls. She starts work tomorrow, a FT 9-5 in an office in DTLA. She has some means, which is why she can keep me at arms length. She doesnt really need my cash. But she does need a safe comfortable place to stay.[/QUOTE]When you finally hit it, please describe it for us and pics of that ass will be greatly appreciated.
After looking through this in more detail. I actually found that about 21 of those profiles I contacted have not logged in to SA in a while and hence, have not read my message.
So it was a miss on my part in not looking at their activity before contacting. This changes things a bit. The funnel is now.
33 contacted - 18 replied - 12 conversed - 7 potentials - 4 scheduled for FC.
These are good for first round. I think as one becomes better at "qualifying" prospects, one can get the hit rate higher. However, spamming a lot of girls can also net more with the rate coming down.
"Teach a man to fish. ".
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2597415]
I contacted / was contacted by 55 girls. About 18 of them led to more contact. Of those. Perhaps 12 led to substantial communications. Of those 4-5 broke down over financial or intimacy expectations. After a few tries, I upped my offer from $100 to $150-200. Of the rest - 3 are ready to go with defined pricing (100,150,200), 1 is scheduled for a M&G (200), 2 are MILFs who contatced me and 1 is pretty ready to go. I have put her off for now.
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After looking through this in more detail. I actually found that about 21 of those profiles I contacted have not logged in to SA in a while and hence, have not read my message.
So it was a miss on my part in not looking at their activity before contacting. This changes things a bit. The funnel is now:
33 contacted - 18 replied - 12 conversed - 7 potentials - 4 scheduled for FC.
These are good for first round. I think as one becomes better at "qualifying" prospects, one can get the hit rate higher. However, spamming a lot of girls can also net more with the rate coming down. "Teach a man to fish. ".
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2597415]
I contacted / was contacted by 55 girls. About 18 of them led to more contact. Of those. Perhaps 12 led to substantial communications. Of those 4-5 broke down over financial or intimacy expectations. After a few tries, I upped my offer from $100 to $150-200. Of the rest - 3 are ready to go with defined pricing (100,150,200), 1 is scheduled for a M&G (200), 2 are MILFs who contatced me and 1 is pretty ready to go. I have put her off for now.
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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2597865]Once you have a few regulars at $$ or whatever, then you can start to get a little firmer on the price, because you won't give a shit. And trust me they can catch that "walk away" vibe real fast. Good work dude. Keep posting and post pics. Or pm me a link to who ever you fuck. I am just curious and will not take any cuts in line.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WhenWhen;2599333]When you finally hit it, please describe it for us and pics of that ass will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I hate to report this (but being the honest guy that I am) this girl may be a total washout in the FC. Just like the straight guys at the gym that look like Adonis (to overcompensate for their other deficiencies). I think this girl may be a workout fanatic for similar reasons.
She really just has no game at all and I don't think I can change that. Too many emotional issues to just let go and let me take control. A far cry from my regulars that are all daddys little girls looking for approval. And willing to do almost anything to get it.
But she can crash here for now. She is a sweet girl, and as long as she doesn't mess up my schedule I am OK for now. But not what I was expecting. Although I was pretty suspicious at this point and told her so. But no reason to ditch her as she basically pays her own way. I kinda feel sorry for her. She says she wants to change. But I told her you have to be willing, and I dont really see that in her. She has an awesome smile but no spark in her eyes. She is the type that would rather go in the woods for a few days and meditate. On what I am not sure.
This girl is just way too inexperienced, insecure and shy. I have upped a lot of girls game, because they are game. But I dont think she is. The hawaiian virgin was a total **** compared to her (and I already miss her). And I did stuff with her I never did with any girl because she was full of adventure. This is like the opposite. So I will continue my quest for the holy grail. This is why I stick to the youngest girls possible (18-22). They are basically ready for anything. You know the type, they get that wild look in their eyes, or the look of omg I think I died and went to heaven.
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2599406]After looking through this in more detail. I actually found that about 21 of those profiles I contacted have not logged in to SA in a while and hence, have not read my message.
So it was a miss on my part in not looking at their activity before contacting. This changes things a bit. The funnel is now:
33 contacted - 18 replied - 12 conversed - 7 potentials - 4 scheduled for FC.
These are good for first round. I think as one becomes better at "qualifying" prospects, one can get the hit rate higher. However, spamming a lot of girls can also net more with the rate coming down. "Teach a man to fish. ".[/QUOTE]No matter how you look at it. It's a success so far. Make sure to follow up with the juicy details. LOL
I don't know if I have the patience for this long-term. One girl flaked on M&G last minute. Prob legit. Had to take someone who was sick to the doc. Another said "I am not having sex with you again unless you pay me more" and I said "you seem upset, what's wrong". 20 minutes later. All good. Still on for FC. Same gift. I am learning a lot about the psychology of these girls. Very fickle. Many of these girls use their own emails and phone nos, I can find their facebook. One even sent me her home address. They are both callous and vulnerable. Tender and cruel. All at the same time. If all goes well. Will have 3 more in FC by next week. Will post my notes. I don't take pictures (risk of being found out somehow). The one scheduled for tomorrow is 5 11". Yoga instructor white hippy chick.
If I fuck all three girls this week then I can die and go straight to heaven. I haven't had pussy like this EVER. Even when I was young and 2 X randy.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2599978]No matter how you look at it. It's a success so far. Make sure to follow up with the juicy details. LOL[/QUOTE]
You got to keep at it Vox. And I pinky promise you it will all be good in the end. Now for my yesterday. I will skip the relating of the half a dozen girls calling and asking when, where and why with pouty imoge faces. Just on a hunch I went to meet a girl I had literally no time for the day before on Sunday. All we did was talk (about all the right things) and so I gave her .2 and sent her on her way to let her know I was serious. But at least I got to check her out enough to know I wanted to have sex with her. And if she was no good at least I got to find out for .2. Well worth it.
Then Monday I was f-ing swamped with work and family obligations and my new roommates car having to be towed, etc. I finally picked my roomy up so late from her new job that by the time I got to Taylors in K-town and home with the steak and potato, it was already like 8 pm.
I then ate too fast and got sick. So knowing it would take at least 2 hours for my food to go down I made a car date for 11 pm with the 21 year old girl I did the M&G with the day before. She has the sweetest disposition and what turned out to be some good quality sex skills and a very dirty mind.
But due to even more family issues I didn't get to her until it was like 1 am. I picked her up in front of her apt and found a quiet spot about a mile away. I asked her how much she wanted and she said .6. So I countered with .4 just to tease her and said "well I only want a HJ but since you stayed up all night to see me I will give you the .6" (and because she had to be up at 6 am for school this morning).
When we got to the spot I was already hard and she proceeded to rub and tug, I sucked her titties which she liked (as she was softly moaning) so I asked if I could drop her pants and finger her. She willingly obliged and guided me to her first of two O's. All this as she kept strokin me. And she kept clamping down on my fingers and asking me how good her pussy felt. Then she says "don't you want your dick in there?" She says she had a condom. And I said "hey I am not too hot on condoms". But I tried it for like 15 minutes before I stopped. I told her just work my balls and dick and I promised her I would cum. Which I eventually did. She kept telling me how nasty she was and would do anything I asked. So I had her do a couple of things I liked and I did get off in the end after about 45 minutes of her workin it.
It was a car date and I was not in the mood to fuck in the car in a strange place, with a strange girl and a condom after an 18 hour day. But all in all it was fun and I told her I liked her. She loved the role play and all the dirty talk. She made me tell her I wanted her to be my "dirty little girl". It was well well worth the .6 that I paid for her time and she graciously accepted it. I am sure I will see her again. Especially at these bargain prices. She is a really good BCG so far. And she would never be more than that and could care less. She had a cell phone bill to pay.
Lord. There is nothing like driving in L. A. in the middle of the night (I love it). I drove home from the 105 & 110 to Hollywood in under 20 minutes. I finally got home just in time to get like 4 hours sleep before having to get up and take my roomy to her second day of work. It was so wifey. "Goodbye honey, I love you" Kiss Kiss.
Another day another girl. My ATF will be here in two hours for a nooner.
"I agree completely, why waste time on short term relationships when you can have something real. $100 sounds reasonable, because it shouldn't be about the pay. It should be about having something real, and the pay is just a bonus. We're on the same page.
I met the tall yoga instructor girl. We met at a bar but she was 45 minutes late. She had an oddly unattractive face (I could'nt pinpoint why but it just did not do anything for me. But she had a hot body. I took her back to the hotel because I had access to the lounge. She had a bit too much to drink. Made out a lot on my bed and told me she had her "flow" so we couldn't do anything else. She was smart and we had some trippy conversations. Finally she split and I did not even pay her.
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2603076]Finally she split and I did not even pay her.[/QUOTE]Good move on your part.
So what sites do you guys prefer to use? I've worked the Craigslist thing from time to time with some great success but thinking of trying this angle.
[QUOTE=LadyChaser;2603538]So what sites do you guys prefer to use? I've worked the Craigslist thing from time to time with some great success but thinking of trying this angle.[/QUOTE][URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL]
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2603977][URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Well worth the investment.
For the people with SO,. How open are you on these sites. Do you put a picture from neck down. No picture at all.
As with many sites, I'm assuming I will get more hits by having more information open for the females.
Any tips on creating an alluring profile?
Thanks!!
[QUOTE=XxBullXx;2604832]For the people with SO,. How open are you on these sites. Do you put a picture from neck down. No picture at all.
As with many sites, I'm assuming I will get more hits by having more information open for the females.
Any tips on creating an alluring profile?
Thanks!![/QUOTE]I am single. But you definitely need a picture up there, even if its just close resemblance. Then put your real pics in the private section. Keep the profile short and sweet.
Or even better, just fuzz up a real pic, or photoshop it a little.
Targets:
18-22 - students.
Pros. Low sugar expectations, uninhibited sexually, willing to learn, eager to please, good bodies. In shape, often very impressed with a guy who at 40 is "not old" but successful and worldly.
Cons. Flaky, busy, hot / cold, less in common with me, cannot host, often not mobile, sometimes unrealistic expectations.
22-28 - educated, low-paying entry level office jobs or arts / architecture / entertainment type careers that pay little at that level, grad students.
Pros. Some have low sugar expectations, sexually experimental, appreciate attention, educated and intellectually stimulating, good bodies and in-shape.
Cons. Many are pros / UTR / escorts so need to wade through, many have high expectations and are looking for high rollers, some have issues (emotional, alcohol etc.).
30+ MILFs.
I have had very limited luck with this demographic but the sample size is low, they are really looking for that high roller and will likely keep looking, they also have high logistical issues with kids etc. So can be tough to actually meet.
SOPs:
Profile: need a decent profile, enough details to attract attention.
Pictures- need good pictures, need to privately exchange to build trust and make sure it is not a turnoff, I find this hard because I don't have a lot of selfies, and in the cold light of day many pics are not great if that is the first impression, have had to really look hard at my collection and find something non-traceable.
Contacts. Need a good text game, going back and forth, exchanging enough info, getting to M&G, etc. , I find you need to seal the deal relatively soon or it peters out, so a 3-4 week cycle. Week 1 - make initial contacts, late week 1/ early week 2 - build it up and make contact, week 3 - seal the deal,. No more than a week between building a strong connection through initial communication and meeting in person.
Hotels. I feel very uncomfortable in Motels, while they are cheap and relatively anonymous I prefer my standard hotels. I use points but parking and other charges add up. Girls get very impressed by the concierge level and lounge benefits.
Staying in character. After 6 months I am comfortable with my nickname and backstory. It is close enough to the truth but slightly blurry. I tell them I live in the city I work and am vague about where I work. Professional details close enough not exact. I have moved around quite a bit so it sounds exotic. Living in europe, asia, etc.
Time commitment: I invested some time initially, I intend to develop a girl I can see every week and 2 I can see every other week. I will have to periodically invest time to build the portfolio as girls drop out. If this cannot be done, I cannot sustain time commitment required. I have a CAMP and a AMP which are reliable but I don't like seeing new girls every few weeks and I hate motel 6.
Overall, this thread has been a goldmine of information and I am cautiously optimistic this approach will lead to long-term sustainable arrangements. However, there is a lot of flaking and time wasting.
"Fuck off. I'm not a hooker selling my body".
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2607617]"Fuck off. I'm not a hooker selling my body".[/QUOTE]Said the "hooker" that just asked for $$.
They are not hookers, we are not johns.
Yet spare us still the Western joke.
When joss-sticks turn to scented smoke.
The little sins of little folk.
That worship at Kamakura—.
[QUOTE=Marlowe;2607652]Said the "hooker" that just asked for $$.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marlowe;2607652]Said the "hooker" that just asked for $$.[/QUOTE]In her case it was more like five.
Great Report! Thanks for sharing.
BTW, could you share or PM some stats. Like how much time average you invest per week on this?
Also, how many M&Gs (average) has it taken to convert to a qualified SB?
What has been the avg 'sugar' per SB.
Per you experience the rate of return better in which category (18-22; 22-28, etc).
And in which market are you playing. Thanks, again.
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2607558]Targets:
18-22 - students.
Pros. Low sugar expectations, uninhibited sexually, willing to learn, eager to please, good bodies. In shape, often very impressed with a guy who at 40 is "not old" but successful and worldly.
Cons. Flaky, busy, hot / cold, less in common with me, cannot host, often not mobile, sometimes unrealistic expectations.
22-28 - educated, low-paying entry level office jobs or arts / architecture / entertainment type careers that pay little at that level, grad students.
Pros. Some have low sugar expectations, sexually experimental, appreciate attention, educated and intellectually stimulating, good bodies and in-shape.
Cons. Many are pros / UTR / escorts so need to wade through, many have high expectations and are looking for high rollers, some have issues (emotional, alcohol etc.).
30+ MILFs.
I have had very limited luck with this demographic but the sample size is low, they are really looking for that high roller and will likely keep looking, they also have high logistical issues with kids etc. So can be tough to actually meet.
SOPs:
Profile: need a decent profile, enough details to attract attention.
Pictures- need good pictures, need to privately exchange to build trust and make sure it is not a turnoff, I find this hard because I don't have a lot of selfies, and in the cold light of day many pics are not great if that is the first impression, have had to really look hard at my collection and find something non-traceable.
Contacts. Need a good text game, going back and forth, exchanging enough info, getting to M&G, etc. , I find you need to seal the deal relatively soon or it peters out, so a 3-4 week cycle. Week 1 - make initial contacts, late week 1/ early week 2 - build it up and make contact, week 3 - seal the deal,. No more than a week between building a strong connection through initial communication and meeting in person.
Hotels. I feel very uncomfortable in Motels, while they are cheap and relatively anonymous I prefer my standard hotels. I use points but parking and other charges add up. Girls get very impressed by the concierge level and lounge benefits.
Staying in character. After 6 months I am comfortable with my nickname and backstory. It is close enough to the truth but slightly blurry. I tell them I live in the city I work and am vague about where I work. Professional details close enough not exact. I have moved around quite a bit so it sounds exotic. Living in europe, asia, etc.
Time commitment: I invested some time initially, I intend to develop a girl I can see every week and 2 I can see every other week. I will have to periodically invest time to build the portfolio as girls drop out. If this cannot be done, I cannot sustain time commitment required. I have a CAMP and a AMP which are reliable but I don't like seeing new girls every few weeks and I hate motel 6.
Overall, this thread has been a goldmine of information and I am cautiously optimistic this approach will lead to long-term sustainable arrangements. However, there is a lot of flaking and time wasting.[/QUOTE]
I invest a couple hours a day minimum.
I usually have at least a 50% conversion rate from M&G to the FC.
I try to do at least one M&G a week. This usually results in a few new SB's per year.
Average sugar per SB is $. 5 but I start them all out at a $.
Age doesn't seem to matter as far as sugar amount.
Thanks, HWG. BTW, what's the major reason for non-conversion of 50% of POTs? Is it because of higher sugar expectations?
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2607944]I invest a couple hours a day minimum.
I usually have at least a 50% conversion rate from M&G to the FC.
I try to do at least one M&G a week. This usually results in a few new SB's per year.
Average sugar per SB is $. 5 but I start them all out at a $.
Age doesn't seem to matter as far as sugar amount.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lebruno;2608187]Thanks, HWG. BTW, what's the major reason for non-conversion of 50% of POTs? Is it because of higher sugar expectations?[/QUOTE]The reason is you just can't or don't want to connect with everyone you meet... right?
I turn pussy down and sometimes pussy turns me down. It's all in the game.
I posted stats here - [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=2599398[/URL]#post2599398. Also look at my other posts for more details. I invested the most time before I started on this this and the Richmond SD thread. I am in LA but not Hollywood. My areas are SGV and North OC. When I started I invested several hours a day over 3-4 days. Since then I just keep up with it and maybe send out one or two messages when I have time. I think you need to prime the pump and invest time to begin. Assume you need to wade through and contact 50 girls. After that it might be easier. My M&G conversion rate has been 66% and I have several M&G that are taking a while to schedule due to busyness on my part and / or girls scheduling issues. If they have school and a job. They're busy too. I have two girls who agreed to 100 but haven't consummated yet. Others are 150 and one 200. I think it is possible to find people for 100 if you are patient. Pay what you can afford. I say you are worth a lot baby but I am on a budget. I am reliable and I am going to be regular if we hit it off. This is what I can do. Honestly, many of them are busting their ass at minimum wage. If you are guy the won't mind sleeping with anyway. The 150 or 200 is a bonus. It is what they make in a few days. It is their cable bill or cell phone bill or whatever.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;2607903]Great Report! Thanks for sharing.
BTW, could you share or PM some stats. Like how much time average you invest per week on this?
Also, how many M&Gs (average) has it taken to convert to a qualified SB?
What has been the avg 'sugar' per SB.
Per you experience the rate of return better in which category (18-22; 22-28, etc).
And in which market are you playing. Thanks, again.[/QUOTE]
I ditched all my POTS except for three. I am just going to round up a new group. Already got one today. Never get too needy. L. A. is overflowing with good pussy.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2610031]I saw my x GF / SB last night for our third date since we started seeing each other again. It's sad, but I just don't see it working out. I may see her a few more times this month to help her out. But we are just not on the same page in the FC.[/QUOTE]You are a lucky man if you can afford to kick someone that fine to the curb. Or just much more skilled than me.
HW guy, I shall start each day saying a salutation to you. It is raining pussy is all I can say. Some of the girls who I message 3 weeks ago are coming in now. I have two competing FC girls tomorrow. POT 1 is 5 9 white spinner college athlete. She is coming over at 10 PM. POT 2 is 5 7 AA athletic with great tits. She is canceling her dinner plans so she can come straight to FC at 6 and I told her I have to go to dinner after that and she cannot stay. She is Ok with that. POT3 was GPS who wanted 400 - is back and has been emssaging me daily. I told her I cannot meet until next week. I have 2 girls I can repeat next week and 6 new ones all ready and willing to FC for 100-250.
This has to be an anamoly. It is a run that cannot last but I am going to enjoy it while it lasts. God my budget is out of the window for the month. CPO still reasonable but too many Os per week!
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2610501]I ditched all my POTS except for three. I am just going to round up a new group. Already got one today. Never get too needy. L. A. is overflowing with good pussy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marlowe;2610833]You are a lucky man if you can afford to kick someone that fine to the curb. Or just much more skilled than me.[/QUOTE]Not lucky. I work for it. And yeah she is a 10 in looks, but not in the sack. And that has to be my main priority. It's sad because we are in love, as much as two semi-promiscuous people can be. She has two girlfriends that I know of, but I am the only guy. I guess she is just too gay to take a real dick.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2610031]I saw my x GF / SB last night for our third date since we started seeing each other again. It's sad, but I just don't see it working out. I may see her a few more times this month to help her out. But we are just not on the same page in the FC.[/QUOTE]One day I hope to be able to turn down ass like that.
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2610858]HW guy, I shall start each day saying a salutation to you. It is raining pussy is all I can say. Some of the girls who I message 3 weeks ago are coming in now. I have two competing FC girls tomorrow. POT 1 is 5 9 white spinner college athlete. She is coming over at 10 PM. POT 2 is 5 7 AA athletic with great tits. She is canceling her dinner plans so she can come straight to FC at 6 and I told her I have to go to dinner after that and she cannot stay. She is Ok with that. POT3 was GPS who wanted 400 - is back and has been emssaging me daily. I told her I cannot meet until next week. I have 2 girls I can repeat next week and 6 new ones all ready and willing to FC for 100-250.
This has to be an anamoly. It is a run that cannot last but I am going to enjoy it while it lasts. God my budget is out of the window for the month. CPO still reasonable but too many Os per week![/QUOTE]Well at $$.5 my budget would be busted too. But when I add in my new Uber addiction it does crank up the price a bit.
So the ones I have done are all 150. I have 3 that agreed to do 100 but for some reason have not been easy to schedule. I have one that wanted 200, I agreed but now I am not so sure. Given the abundance.
However, the amount of time is insane - 60-70 texts before you get anywhere. Also I have many that are in POT category now but sched issues. Many are studrnts and have a job. They are.
Only free 1-2 days a week since I cannot do weekends or evenings.
Usually I pig out on strange when I travel. I have one in the morning and one at night. But now I crave non-pros -.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2611206]Well at $$.5 my budget would be busted too. But when I add in my new Uber addiction it does crank up the price a bit.[/QUOTE]
This one seems to get the big picture. She sounds genuinely sweet. So I hope she does.
[QUOTE=VoxDei;2611802]So the ones I have done are all 150. I have 3 that agreed to do 100 but for some reason have not been easy to schedule. I have one that wanted 200, I agreed but now I am not so sure. Given the abundance.
However, the amount of time is insane - 60-70 texts before you get anywhere. Also I have many that are in POT category now but sched issues. Many are studrnts and have a job. They are.
Only free 1-2 days a week since I cannot do weekends or evenings.
Usually I pig out on strange when I travel. I have one in the morning and one at night. But now I crave non-pros -.[/QUOTE]NP's are the best. Hands down.
It was so funny. A girl who claimed she hadnt had sex in 4 years sends me her # yesterday and it goes to like 10 escort ads. You think they would be smart enough to use a different number. And different pics on their sugar ad. Not the ones they use on BP.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2611991]I saw my "lttle church girl / teen angel" today.
She ubered over after school for two hours of lessons in the FC from Daddy.[/QUOTE]Nice shots sir! The FIA just made me think of the "lollipop song", you know the sound they make when you pop your finger out of your mouth haha.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2612510]My new roommate. No sex yet, just a lot of touching.
Probably spend the day with her as we are both home today.[/QUOTE]If the church girl is truly gone, which would be a Damon shame, your roommate looks like a worthy replacement! Love the pics HWG!