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[QUOTE=Trust Lust;1494681]I will continue to use Clorox solution, gargle with hydrogen peroxide, and bathe after P4P to prevent infection with whatever, nevertheless. I would do so, had there never been any mention of AIDS or hepatitis.[/QUOTE]Why chlorine and hydrogen peroxide? Why not alcohol as is used in hand sanitizer and mouth wash?
[QUOTE=Trust Lust;1488864]The key to avoiding STD's is proper hygiene. I kid you not, that sloshing a little bit of Clorox in a cup of water and flushing out the ureter, before and after P4P, will accomplish the same with STD's. I do it, even when the girl makes me wear a rubber.[/QUOTE]How do you flush out the urethra? Do you hold the end open and pour the Clorox solution in? Do you squirt it in with an eye dropper?
OK. Admittedly, bacteria can get into the proximal urethra from any number of activities. Gonorrhea and Chlamydia are especially good at this. HIV, much less so.
Chlorine is a potent biocide and is therefore a dangerous chemical. It is also a carcinogen, and lethal to mammalian cells exposed to it. Sure, it will kill bacteria, and some (but not all) viruses. The mucous membrane which lines the urethra is, in itself, a great barrier against most infections. But if damaged by chlorine, the epithelial cells which line it can be killed, and its protective qualities compromised.
Frankly, even tho I too do not trust the government to protect us against corporations and the toxins they expose us to, the CDC is the best we have in terms of protection from STDs. Follow their guidelines until you get solid evidence not to.
One way to flush the urethra is the take a good long piss immediately after sexual activity. True, it is hardly 100% effective, but it is a method easy and relatively effective. Be very cautious about inserting or injecting anything up the urethra...
[QUOTE=John Dough;1511030]How do you flush out the urethra? Do you hold the end open and pour the Clorox solution in? Do you squirt it in with an eye dropper?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=John Dough;1511030]How do you flush out the urethra? Do you hold the end open and pour the Clorox solution in? Do you squirt it in with an eye dropper?[/QUOTE]An eye dropper is effective, but a syringe works better. The way I do it is slosh a little bit of Clorox in a pint of water and flush out my ureter directly after sex. Right after that, I wash my whole dick with the same solution while using a washcloth. I've been doing it since December 1991 and have never caught any STD's; I've gone bareback almost with every SW I've dated. During the first few times you do it, you should experience a slight burning sensation, but this is only the bacteria at the top of the ureter yelling,"Fire!" At first, I had to piss, directly afterwards, but once my liver made the juices for what was going on, this didn't keep happening. A whole myriad of these bacteria exist, and they are present to block other germs from going in more deeply and fucking up your kidneys. This was my reason for never not using Betadine, as I would with fallops, before embryo transplants. The bacterial balance in the ureter is, as critical as the one in the intestines, so I'm afraid Betadine usage would be a bad heath choice.
On the other hand, I won't hesitate to put a few drops of Clorox per quart of drinking water down in Mexico. In the USA our tap water is heavily chlorinated, and I bathe with it. Reports are, that we get more liver cancer from this, than we do from drinking it. At my lake lot, I pour a gallon of Clorox into my water cistern, and boat paddle it in before using it. I don't really need to, as I pump the water from the top of the lake, where it is cleanest. This Clorox evaporates almost immediately, however, and this is further reason, for my not using Betadine or Tincture of Iodine, before bare back sex, instead. As a matter of fact, the many deaths we have in our hospitals, because of Chinese imported IV tubing, could be avoided, were that tubing to be Clorox solution flushed, before usage.
As for the histological arrangement the ureter, you can pull back the lips of your own and see that it is no different from the navel on your belly. Don't want to believe it, then go down to your city library and start reading up on it. The first part of the ureter ain't no damned different from a girl's pussie lips. For all intents and purposes it stays mostly out in the open all of the time and is just as nasty and left unattended as any of our other holes. You can clean your dick hole out with clorox and water just as you can get water in your ears at the swimming pool without consequence. Want to be contrary about this, you can spend more money on swimming pool chlorine than Clorox and have the same thing. Trying to discern about the first part of the ureter makes about as much sense as worrying about the difference between food that gets on the inside or outside of your lips.
I do know this, I have connected condoms up to a manometer and placed them under a vacuum, and without exception, they have all leaked. I could care less about what any labels or TV hype has to say about how many demons, one brings upon themselves, for fully enjoying uninterrupted, heterosexual BBBJFSCIP. For as long as we apart from the tyranny of kings, queens, princes, and fairy god mothers with the bearded old man in the sky, I will take advantage of the subsequent, hard work in the laboratory miracles, such as Clorox, that the escape from that feudalism, have rendered us. Even during the event, that I must wear a rubber, I will shower, gargle with hydrogen peroxide solution, and flush out my dick hole with something that kills everything pathogenic.
[QUOTE=Giani; 1511043]OK. Admittedly, bacteria can get into the proximal urethra from any number of activities. Gonorrhea and Chlamydia are especially good at this. HIV, much less so.
Chlorine is a potent biocide and is therefore a dangerous chemical. It is also a carcinogen, and lethal to mammalian cells exposed to it. Sure, it will kill bacteria, and some (but not all) viruses. The mucous membrane which lines the urethra is, in itself, a great barrier against most infections. But if damaged by chlorine, the epithelial cells which line it can be killed, and its protective qualities compromised.
Frankly, even tho I too do not trust the government to protect us against corporations and the toxins they expose us to, the CDC is the best we have in terms of protection from STDs. Follow their guidelines until you get solid evidence not to.
One way to flush the urethra is the take a good long piss immediately after sexual activity. True, it is hardly 100% effective, but it is a method easy and relatively effective. Be very cautious about inserting or injecting anything up the urethra.[/QUOTE]For the sake of candor, the CDC may want to make note of my efforts and render the same advice I have. In light of CDC's uncompromising ties with Big Pharma and therefore, Big Oil, this would, however, be an impossibility. More revenue is to be generated, of course, by fostering the spread of AIDS and then paying lip service to its false cures and prevention. That lip service always involves remedies that hasten the victims death as well as increase that person's suffering. Just as radiation and chemotherapy make cancer worse than it ever could have been, a squeamish CDC certainly can't be expected to "rock the boat" on something, as idiotic, as AZT therapy. AZT is what finalizes the destruction of the immune system, and you can bet your buttocks, that it takes the likes of CDC, to suggest to the sinful AIDS victim, that he get his ass in to be burned at the AZT stake for the purging of his sins. The right hand mates the left on this one. CDC's advice on prevention is as faulty as their groveling to the AMA and the specialty oil refineries as to its cure.
As for your comments about tissue, they speak for themselves, and it is apparent that you haven't actually WEIGHED to know how the tissues are differentiated, throughout the urethral canal, as you would have it. I'm not going to refresh my memory on anything, in light of the practicality of my suggestions, from the standpoint of the presence of our eyelids, nasal passages, and even assholes for that matter. When I develop hemorrhoids from doing dead lifts and squats, I don't poison myself with benzoic acid. I take the tip of the washcloth and wash out my asshole with soap and water to make the damned things quit itching before I simply leave the god damned things alone to do what my body put them there to do. The tissue at that part of the asshole, not even quiet the anus yet, as with the URETER, is no different than that of a newborn's fresh carpet. Nevertheless, I'm not about to argue over what the nursing school "comic books' have to offer on any of this. Notwithstanding, don't the urologist's nurses wash out the dick, before the two legged MD comes in and rams a motorcycle spoke looking thing down it, to take a look around? Provided I don't know myself, then let's both take a pellet gun and knock a squirrel out of tree. We'll take his ass apart; look at him under a microscope, so we both can compare our notes with a genetics based, histology book too damned hard to understand. That's my reason for trying these things out and realizing just how well they worked over the years. I don't have hepatic coma to add to resume of washing my my dick out with Clorox solution, however.
I won't deny for a second, that chlorine is a poison, and a very potent one at that. We get something like ten times the chlorine from a hot shower, than we do from drinking that same water. Whenever I mingle with large crowds of people from all over the country, I, nevertheless, pour a cup of Clorox in my hot bath water and soak in it to avoid the flu. I splash it in shower basins at notels I frequent to avoid athlete's foot. The list goes on and on about the many ways I cause myself liver cancer from all the Clorox I use, just as it could with mercury poisoning from plastic we constantly use, and the renal cancer it causes. Sodium fluoride is another example. It's the second most deadliest poison, know to man, yet Prince Fedgov insists that it go in our drinking water. The substance has been found to be the leading cause of Altzheimer's disease, however. Oh well, fluoride must be one more tool to get us so fucked up that we have to cling to the government for help. All this adds up to how to how poisonous Clorox is in light of its effectiveness in keeping one's health in tact. Any worthy nurse would respond to it as the best "gun" in the house.
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"safer sex should be treated as sexual hygiene."
"complementing condom use by gargling, douching, and washing after sex, employing vinegar or other mild disinfectants that kill HIV. In a pinch, apply soap and water to intimate fluids that might carry germs. Equate AIDS-prevention with cleanliness."
"the advice about after-intercourse hygiene delivered most authoritatively in The Guide to Living with HIV Infection, by John G. Bartlett and Ann K. Finkbeiner, medical professionals associated with the well-regarded AIDS Clinic at Johns Hopkins University. Their own guidebook puts it this way: "Anyone who makes a mistake and has unprotected sex should use a vinegar douche as quickly as possible."
"Should a condom not be used during sexual intercourse. Or should one break or leak. Douching with a solution of vinegar and water can lessen risk or harm by reducing the amount of HIV left on penetrable skin-linings and susceptible cells. Using soap and water, vinegar, or some other mild disinfectant to wash a penis after intercourse can help keep HIV from reaching blood through any warts, sores, or skin breaks on it. Gargling with an HIV-killing disinfectant after oral sex can help prevent infection via the mouth."
I'm just now done hanging out with an R. N. Buddy at the IHOP. He works for one of the main urology concerns, and although I have absolutely nothing at all to do with his business, he informs me, that they do indeed wash out the virilis with Phisoderm, before performing cystoscopy. I "didn't do nothing" to bring any of this on, but I'm at least glad to know, that I can maintain my composure and muse at my own consideration of applying Betadine (Phisoderm is a Betadine like soap) , before P4P. No pathogen can get past this barrier, and I'm relieved of no longer having worry about dirupting the barrier of bacteria that lies distal to atmosphere.
I was taught, many years ago, that the virilis was not to be considered a part of the urethra, and that it was to be differentiated as the distal ureter, completely devoid of bacterial incidence. Slides of the sclerous, proximal to the bladder and the kidneys, showed the presence of a bacterial reduction of the same to be found in the urethra, proximal to the viriilis. They were pickets, to prevent any pathogenic invasion of the urethra, but more importantly, the ureter. Any bacteria, in the canals, were considered uremic, and any infection caught, during bare back P4P, was the result of its afferent pathway through the epidermis of the turned outside to inside piss hole. That tissue, separating the the virils from its remainder, was that of the ureter and not the ureter. This accounted for the small cell, compacted arrangement of bacteria wherever the "tubing was soldered together." Also it accounts for dermatolgists, being the specific medical specialty, related to STD's and their afferent pathway through the skin to the lymphatic system and finally to lie dormant in the base of the spine to await its ultimate invasion of the brain.
Should the urologist's nurse be disposed to washing the dick out with something, as harsh as Phisoderm, before the doc sticks a motorcycle spoke, made into a reed, down it, then, surely, I don't need to waste bigger change on Phisoderm or Betadine for P4P clean up. My Clorox solution practice should, neverthess, prevail. I go swimming in pools, where they add the equivalent to its water. How is it, that that chlorine, doesn't get through the epithelial of my eyelids to reap all the same havoc, that it, otherwise, should cause, when applied to the dick?
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"Generally speaking, (most) germs attached on the outer skin on the penis cannot penetrate through it unless there is a cut. Germs usually invade through the urethral mucosa for a male. Therefore, a male can prevent STDs considerably by urinating immediately after coitus."
"nano-silver is the most suitable germicide to be added into the lubricating gel for STD / AIDS prevention due to its wide germicidal effects and non-irritability."
"In contrast with a condom, this lubricating gel (Silver Gel) being a liquid cannot have structural defects and cannot be torn or mistakenly taken off. It has germicidal effects as well by colloidal silver. Therefore, it works better than a condom in prevention of AIDS. Furthermore, it can cover much wider area than a condom as it can be applied easily on and around the genital, which forms invisible thin film of nanometer thickness that acts as a barrier to crabs, lice and scabies."
For as many times, as I've P4P'd and have come up with duds, I'm now debating on whether or not to label bottles,"COLLOIDAL SILVER;" fill them with tap water, and sale them to our flaky public. What laboratories can one go to to test for silver nitrate let alone this ethereal colloidal silver hooey? People, nurses in particular, spend so frivolously on what three square meals a day will adequately attend. Not only are vitamins the solution to their alcoholism and nicotine addictions, but they often come up crippled, early in life, because of hypervitaminmosis.
On the other hand, nursing schools don't get into the kind of anatomy and biochemistry etc, that it would take, for one to make suggestions on whether or not one has a nutritional deficiency. As far as that goes, how is it, that the much more rigorous M. D. Schools haven't come up with anything on colloidal silver? It's always the bottom feeders in the medical community, who recommend the quack remedies. The very ones, who haven't the ability to do medical school type lab work, are the same ones, without the necessary laboratories in their schools to make adequate determinations' as to colloidal silver.
I'm not knocking the utmost importance of nurses, however, until they, themselves, start knocking the greater need for scrub techs, a position nurses used to have to fulfill. When I shit all over myself, while incapacitated in a hospital, there won't be any question about my opinion, as to which trade school book educated hand in the hospital, is worth the most. As of my reading today, on this forum, I'm pleased to be informed, nevertheless, that humans no longer have open sweat glands for excretion purposes. DERMATOLOGY, the medical profession for skin ailments, is no longer the elder over STD's, because R. N. 's, R. N. P. 's, D. C. 's, and Johnny come lately N. D. 's have sassed them to their senses. Hepatitis, almost always transmitted through the skin, has also become extinct because of the effervescence of this, easy to come by, cotton candy for nutrition, type of knowledge we have nowadays.
Don't get me wrong, I work with silver Silver Nitrate almost everyday, and when it can't be had for whatever reason, Copper Methionate works even better. The point is twofold. Heavy metals, including silver, work in a very harsh manner with pathogenic fungi. Without access to a laboratory, myself, I can only observe these attributes, as I work with things such as Silver Nitrate and Copper Methionate. Should they be, as effective as they are, for things like jock itch and athlete's foot, when nothing else will nail it, then there's no way in hell I'm going to believe, that they can be reduced to the extent, that they can be ingested, until some big bang medical laboratory, tells me so. Secondly, when none of their OTC suggestions are going to even start to work, I have much cheaper alternatives, that have proven themselves, time and time again. What physician would prescribe, in that manner, with colloidal silver? Were colloidal silver the panacea it's supposed to be, then one would be required to get a prescription for it. Physicians are totally mute about colloidal sulfate, while they ignorantly claim in a headstrong sort of a way, that things like penicillin and silver nitrate don't work anymore. When nothing else will work, penicillin and silver nitrate will work, and when that can't be had, something even stronger than they are can still be had.
I've noticed, that the SW's with the most hang ups about AIDS, are from the crack hoe community. They have crack addicted buddies, who have burned holes in their lungs, as of their addictions, and have ultimately died of double pneumonia. As of their denial of their addictions, they try to pass the blame off on this preposterous idea of HIV being transmitted heterosexually. They're death throes were simply those of crack induced pleural pneumonia along with all of the shriveled up and dilapidated anorexia and bulimia that comes with it. Once one observe some faggot actually die from AIDS, one can see the similarities between that and the crack hoe double pneumonia or the heroin skank's filthy needling and resultant endocarditis.
The one thing, that I've failed to mention, however, is how ultimately important it is to these girls, that they not get pregnant. They don't talk about it that much, but once I've been able to prove my vasectomy to them, they prefer how bare back feels. Being able to effectively clean up, after P4P, along with the enhanced pleasure, has led me to almost never use a rubber. Every single day I hear stories of someone dying of some water borne amoeba, while swimming at the lake, or viral tuberculosis, caught while riding the city bus. Because of our border situation, we even have people dying of, once extinct diseases, eg, cholera. Folks often die from bugs, before they can even get them to the ER, and in some instances, because doctors just don't know how to diagnose them anymore.
I can go back in recent history and cite instances, where typhus and flu have wiped out a considerable chunk of the population, not because of it not being treatable but because of the epidemiology of the crisis. This sort of thing looms far more important in my mind, than any threat of diseases, that may not even exist outside of their, media concocted, purpose. For one to even suggest, that I'm at risk for bare back hetero sex, is probably nothing more than an outcry of their own jealousy. Something, that feels that good, is reserved only for them, don't you see? This is especially in light of the fact, that I've heavily indulged in BB P4P, since December 1990 and have never caught anything from the fucking. My practice has always been to clean up, afterwards. In the hundreds of times, I've done it, how many times would I have been stricken desperately ill, as a result of not showering, afterwards, irregardless of whether or not I used a rubber? All of this condom use nonsense amongst heterosexuals is nothing more than control freaks whining. Not only do they wish to be arbiters over others sex lives, they would feel entitled to do so in every other aspect one's lives. Because their own alcoholism or drug and nicotine habits have failed them, they feel, as if they have to have control over others, in order to compensate for the loss of their own. What better way is their to do this, than to dictate, that one's fucking be interrupted with a rubber?
Don't know if this has been posted previously, but saw this and thought it was a good read. General consensus: Condoms are good for you. TIFWIW.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm[/url]
The CDC is a word, that needs to be broken apart and explained. The first "C" means center, and center entails a police state entity. The latter "C" is what government is all about: control. The "D," of course means, that the government likes to use the fear of disease to gain their control over us. When people concur with me halfheartedly about this, I already know the drift. The way these go is that the contending party always agrees with me, that the government can't be trusted, only to turn around and proclaim the CDC as a must. In other words, the government can't be trusted, because it doesn't provide enough hand outs to pay nurses the same as doctors is all, I can gather, from these debates. This same sort of contention carries over into the condom usage scene, I can assure you.
Could it be, that those mongers, who insist, that every other monger out there, use condoms, don't use them themselves and are very jealous of others experiencing the ultimate pleasure? Maybe it's the other way around, and the one, who must use them, is envious and fears, that his gal, may be letting others have a better P4P deal. All this dude needs to do is find a girl, who doesn't require them. Plenty of SW's don't, and I won't even date one, who does the first time, whenever I can get out of it. Either scenario goes to show just, how controlling, condom usage is. The latter situation is easily enough corrected, but what can be done to stop the likes of the former? What's going on with these kind of folks anyhow? They surely won't stop with the condom issue. You can count on it, that they have a whole lot of other things, they'd like to get everybody else to go along with, before ever learning to mind their own business first. Of course, they believe everybody's business is also their business for, as long as they're so groveling to the police and bureaucrats etc.
To be in a situation, where I had to be confined to a hospital, is what I dread most. The very people, who will be treating me, are the same dummies who will be killing me off with unsanitary, Third World produced IV's. They will swear up and down, that the tubing is clean, and will be oblivious to my constant pleas, that any tubing, used on me, be first purged with Dakin's (white tailed Clorox). For these same folks to be so intent on condom usage and oblivious to the fact that HIV transmission is a genetically based, histology matter makes sense. Their own thinking is so perverted, that sanitation doesn't even register with them. They can't even make heads or tails out of people, dying in droves in our hospitals, because of unsanitary IV and anesthetic tubing, let alone even begin to ascertain the fact that fucking an asshole goes opposite to the way asshole tissue was designed to function. How are they going to be able to follow up on condoms being able to leak enough to allow retro viruses pass? They aren't. The ins and outs of bees pollinating also applies to how HIV can reduplicate and mutate to pass wherever light can go. The mutations of HIV are in genetic lock step with the tearing and repairing, that goes on with corn holing, nothing else. You can count on it, that none of these folks, so trusting of the CDC are even going to consider anything, Maxwellian, on this. As long as Prince Fedgov, says to use a condom, we are to submit to that control just, as we are to believe the labels on the IV"s, that they won't kill us. All it amounts to is, that they so fear losing out on government subsidies and hand outs, that they are haltered into not even considering anything, that even remotely deviates from its decrees.
[QUOTE=Redman69]in Costa Rica with a condom on. The part of the base of our dick that comes in contact with their pussys. Well about three days latter I had a sore at the base. Little as it is of course. And was told I now had herpies 3, called gentails herpies.[/QUOTE]There is an easy way to protect the base of the penis that is not covered by condoms. Buy a universal silicone replacement donut sleeve for a penis pump, preferably clear silicone. Cut off the indented part where the cylinder slides in. The part remaining is a thick silicone gasket. Put that over the erect penis and slide it down as far as possible before putting on a condom. This will prevent the skin to skin contact that can result in herpes or HPV infection.
[QUOTE=Trust Lust]The key to avoiding STD's is proper hygiene. I kid you not, that sloshing a little bit of Clorox in a cup of water and flushing out the ureter, before and after P4P, will (prevent transmission of) STD's. I do it, even when the girl makes me wear a rubber.[/QUOTE]I decided to test chlorine bleach on a plantar wart on the bottom of my foot. I've tried other "home remedies" that all failed. I put a drop of undiluted bleach on the wart and let it soak in. I did this two days in a row. A few days later, the wart didn't cause pain anymore when I stepped on it. After a few weeks the old skin peeled off and new skin grew in where the wart had been. Success.
Another time I was doing laundry with bleach and got my hands in the chlorinated water. I noticed my hands smelled like bleach for several hours afterwards. It seems the chlorine is absorbed into the skin. Perhaps this justifies using bleach beforehand, since it will form a protective layer in the skin. Using it again afterwards will sandwich any microbes between two layers of potent microbicide.
While scabies is not a STD, it can be one of the hazards of playing with different partners. Scabies is an easily spread skin disease caused by a very small species of mite. The mites that cause scabies burrow into the skin and deposit their eggs, forming a burrow that looks like a pencil mark. Eggs mature in 21 days. The itchy rash is an allergic response to the mite.
Scabies is spread by skin-to-skin contact with another person who has scabies.
A guy I know was seeing 2 differents girls a week, most he met in strip clubs or they were friends of strippers. In all he probably saw 10 girls in a few months.
Well, he started itching. Legs, arms, groin, ankles, back, belly, butt. It became unbearable so he went to the doctor. Doc perform a skin scrape test, looked at it under the microscope, said it was scabies. Prescribed permethrin lotion, clears it right up.
Problem is, all 10 girls now need treatment. Or they could give it right back to him. He doesn't know who have it to him, and he doesn't know if he gave it back to one or all of them. After exposure there is a 3 week incubation period, then a couple of weeks of itching before you realize you have it. By that time you have no idea who gave it to you. So the cycle starts over again.
He's not glad he just got scabies. But he is glad there's an easy effective treatment. And he's really glad he doesn't have an STD. Not yet anyway.