BBBJ and BBFS

[QUOTE=FatRichard;3625476]Having tried many different approaches, the highest percentage of success for me has now become the only one I use. I wait until we're actually face to face, and I ask if she kisses. Her answer is fairly irrelevant to me, but my follow-up after she answers (which seems to come almost as an after thought) is, "Oh. Um, I should mention that I can't do any latex. I'm allergic to latex, and I get a bad reaction. " Her response will dictate my next move.

If she says, "Okay", then that's it and we're going in raw.

If she says, "You mean bareback?" with surprise and / or disapproval I say "Well. Yeah, I guess. " and just wait for her response. Which will determine my next move. "Um. Okay. " means we're going raw. "I don't do that. " means I will probably be leaving at that point.

If she says she has non-latex condoms we can use, I explain that it's not actually the latex *itself* that causes the bad reaction, it's the "chemical lube" they use on all condoms. Her response will guide me from there.

In advance, I always have an unopened 3-pack of NaturaLamb (lambskin) condoms in my pocket. If she's REALLY HOT, and I still want to fuck her after she declines going raw, I hastily explain that I "didn't mean using NO condom", I just have to use these natural ones, but we can't use them for oral, because "they taste like shit". This will almost always result in a BBBJ (at least), and the lambskin ones are not actually TOO bad for fucking.

It's easy for her to decline BB in preliminary text message when she's never even met you, but VERY hard for a prostitute to let you slip out of her net after you're inside her incall, or (even better) she's had to travel to get to you. At that point she can SMELL the money, and she doesn't ant to let that walk away. I NEVER pay in advance, so there's no money for her until we come to terms that will accommodate my unfortunate medical condition (tee hee). This approach requires that you are strong enough to walk away from the encounter. She'll easily sniff out a bluff. And they almost never will let that happen. Worst case, assuming she's hot enough, you compromise on BBBJ and fucking with a hunk of sheep intestine wrapped around your dick. It's not as bad as it sounds.

Finally, here are my recent results from the last few months: out of 32 individual BP providers, 18 were BBFS w / CIP and 4 were BBFS no CIP. 6 went for BBBJ, but covered (lambskin) FS. Make of these numbers what you will. Of the flat-out raw-doggers I have repeated with maybe half.[/QUOTE]I always ask before hand by text / call but in a way that its not so demanding. I have never went into a session and asked face to face because if I'm going into the session ONLY wanting raw that night and then she says no I will be upset that I drove 30-40 min just to leave right when I got there.

I like knowing EXACTLY what to expect before I even leave my place to go to hers. I'm not too big on the "unexpected" especially in this hobby.

[QUOTE=Vagrazer;3625450]I ask straight up is she will offer bare. On the phone before I head out. If it's on the menu I want to know if that's my taste for the day. No sense in wasting time. If I'm not in mood I will wait and see.[/QUOTE]Considered intent if you show up and 12 is there waiting with shiny bracelets and a camera crew? I always worry about using any kind of explicit talk (me or her) and generally don't go for it if she is blatant. (Anal is 40 extra or whatever). Just me, but it seems like an unnecessary risk when there are more vague ways to get your point across.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3627181]Considered intent if you show up and 12 is there waiting with shiny bracelets and a camera crew? I always worry about using any kind of explicit talk (me or her) and generally don't go for it if she is blatant. (Anal is 40 extra or whatever). Just me, but it seems like an unnecessary risk when there are more vague ways to get your point across.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I ask for GFE no cover, no raincoat, full natural service, a lot of ways to beat around the Bush and ask the?

[QUOTE=Xerox;3625179]Quick poll all. Do you ask for BB before you meet the girl while talking on the phone or text, or during the session? I've not had much luck with ATL BB girls from backpage. Cincinnati every girl is willing to do BB, but not much luck here. I've had better luck on POF. Lots of girls there willing to work for $$ and go raw. How do you approach a girl for BB?[/QUOTE]I just slide it in raw. If she demures, I'll pull it back out, but she almost never does.

I realize it makes me a huge "simp", but I like having the girl get turned on and wet (versus this forum's standard fantasy of making sure no one smiles as you ram it in dry during a ten minute $20 quickie, but that's for another post), and if she's turned on, 99% chance she'll go raw.

Usually she'll then say "just don't come in me baby", but as the moment approaches, I just say "I'm going to come in you" and again, they're almost always cool with it (though later they'll say "I can't believe we did that" and so on, but because of how crazy the human brain is (looking at you, cognitive dissonance) they wind up liking you even more.).

But basically if I want BBFS, I just do it; it's up to her to divert at that point (and I'll comply). I certainly never talk about it before hand, because I know just because she says "no" doesn't mean she won't do it. I've negotiated tough deals with tough folks for a LONG time (it's how I make a living), and if there's a truism in life, it's that people don't know how they'll respond to a situation until they're actually in it; in the case of a hoe, the feel of a dick head pushing its way through her labia into her vagina is as natural as it gets, and usually the hips take over and before she knows it, she's grabbing your ass and trying to pull you in deeper, even if she "would never do bare".

O.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3627181]Considered intent if you show up and 12 is there waiting with shiny bracelets and a camera crew? I always worry about using any kind of explicit talk (me or her) and generally don't go for it if she is blatant. (Anal is 40 extra or whatever). Just me, but it seems like an unnecessary risk when there are more vague ways to get your point across.[/QUOTE]If you show up they are getting you on intent. I ask for nudes and I have never seen or heard of the police sending naked photos.

[QUOTE=Vagrazer;3627597]If you show up they are getting you on intent. I ask for nudes and I have never seen or heard of the police sending naked photos.[/QUOTE]A cop can show nudes, but I think they can't engage in sexual behaviour, like actual dick in pussy. Only that will cross the line, but nudes are still a good way to judge. It just doesn't mean you're safe, unless your in there.

[QUOTE=MikeAsEscorts;3627821]A cop can show nudes, but I think they can't engage in sexual behaviour, like actual dick in pussy. Only that will cross the line, but nudes are still a good way to judge. It just doesn't mean you're safe, unless your in there.[/QUOTE]More like "won't" . There are PLENTY of well-publicized cases of cops having sex with escorts, then busting them. It would take a rare breed of female officer to have sex with a monger in order to get a bust, or send legit nudes of herself. (Fake pics are another matter).

[QUOTE=Edawg5;3628841]More like "won't" . There are PLENTY of well-publicized cases of cops having sex with escorts, then busting them. It would take a rare breed of female officer to have sex with a monger in order to get a bust, or send legit nudes of herself. (Fake pics are another matter).[/QUOTE]There was a story on the news a few years back where a female cop sued (I think it was Fulton County) because she got naked doing undercover busts and the video got passed around.

Totally with you on this one!

If ad says nothing bare, I pass. I will never ask before about BB. I do ask if she's GFE. If she's GFE and I make sure she's enjoying herself (I enjoy it more anyway if she is), then it just happens, and it slides in.

If there's no chemistry, and it happens sometimes, then I just write it off as a loss. Obviously, YMMV, and I try to look nice, dress nice, smell nice, act nice, and play nice, and it usually pays off.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3627442]I just slide it in raw. If she demures, I'll pull it back out, but she almost never does.

I realize it makes me a huge "simp", but I like having the girl get turned on and wet (versus this forum's standard fantasy of making sure no one smiles as you ram it in dry during a ten minute $20 quickie, but that's for another post), and if she's turned on, 99% chance she'll go raw.

Usually she'll then say "just don't come in me baby", but as the moment approaches, I just say "I'm going to come in you" and again, they're almost always cool with it (though later they'll say "I can't believe we did that" and so on, but because of how crazy the human brain is (looking at you, cognitive dissonance) they wind up liking you even more.).

But basically if I want BBFS, I just do it; it's up to her to divert at that point (and I'll comply). I certainly never talk about it before hand, because I know just because she says "no" doesn't mean she won't do it. I've negotiated tough deals with tough folks for a LONG time (it's how I make a living), and if there's a truism in life, it's that people don't know how they'll respond to a situation until they're actually in it; in the case of a hoe, the feel of a dick head pushing its way through her labia into her vagina is as natural as it gets, and usually the hips take over and before she knows it, she's grabbing your ass and trying to pull you in deeper, even if she "would never do bare".

O.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3627442]I just slide it in raw. If she demures, I'll pull it back out, but she almost never does.

I realize it makes me a huge "simp", but I like having the girl get turned on and wet (versus this forum's standard fantasy of making sure no one smiles as you ram it in dry during a ten minute $20 quickie, but that's for another post), and if she's turned on, 99% chance she'll go raw.

Usually she'll then say "just don't come in me baby", but as the moment approaches, I just say "I'm going to come in you" and again, they're almost always cool with it (though later they'll say "I can't believe we did that" and so on, but because of how crazy the human brain is (looking at you, cognitive dissonance) they wind up liking you even more.).

But basically if I want BBFS, I just do it; it's up to her to divert at that point (and I'll comply). I certainly never talk about it before hand, because I know just because she says "no" doesn't mean she won't do it. I've negotiated tough deals with tough folks for a LONG time (it's how I make a living), and if there's a truism in life, it's that people don't know how they'll respond to a situation until they're actually in it; in the case of a hoe, the feel of a dick head pushing its way through her labia into her vagina is as natural as it gets, and usually the hips take over and before she knows it, she's grabbing your ass and trying to pull you in deeper, even if she "would never do bare".

O.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you Oz, except that the average provider will slap a cover on faster than you can think about going in raw. I suppose a small percentage of escorts will readily fuck raw but, not the majority, in my experience.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3630290]I totally agree with you Oz, except that the average provider will slap a cover on faster than you can think about going in raw. I suppose a small percentage of escorts will readily fuck raw but, not the majority, in my experience.[/QUOTE]You've might have already read the approach I take, and it is decidedly NOT about letting the seller be in control of the transaction.

Beyond that, I believe a little transcendental meditation before a session is always a good idea. My personal mantra, which I will share with you fine gentlemen, is this:

"Trick them if you want to dick them".

Call me Dick.

[QUOTE=FatRichard;3631019]You've might have already read the approach I take, and it is decidedly NOT about letting the seller be in control of the transaction.

Beyond that, I believe a little transcendental meditation before a session is always a good idea. My personal mantra, which I will share with you fine gentlemen, is this:

"Trick them if you want to dick them".

Call me Dick.[/QUOTE]The picture is so confusing!

Who takes pictures of a busted rubber about to go into a very large woman?

[QUOTE=FatRichard;3631019]You've might have already read the approach I take, and it is decidedly NOT about letting the seller be in control of the transaction.

Beyond that, I believe a little transcendental meditation before a session is always a good idea. My personal mantra, which I will share with you fine gentlemen, is this:

"Trick them if you want to dick them".

Call me Dick.[/QUOTE]Not going to lie, I'm guilty of the busted rubber trick myself. I've purposely rammed through rubbers and popped them during cfs without saying a word.

I don't have the balls to actually load the girl raw though. I just get a couple good strokes of her bare walls, before: "oops I didn't know it broke. Let me grab another. ".

I also have used the broken rubber lie, in order to get extra multipops. Or pop in the rubber and keep going.

These providers trick us a million different ways, but we have our own set of "tricks" up our sleeves.

Who takes pictures of and brags about breaking the condom to get some raw the woman didn't give consent for. You may want to consider that sometimes they knowingly want you to strap up for YOUR protection. Keep that in mind the next time you consider the Trojan horse approach.

RJ.

[QUOTE=ChrisPoontang;3631309]The picture is so confusing!

Who takes pictures of a busted rubber about to go into a very large woman?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickJames808;3631417]Who takes pictures of and brags about breaking the condom to get some raw the woman didn't give consent for. You may want to consider that sometimes they knowingly want you to strap up for YOUR protection. Keep that in mind the next time you consider the Trojan horse approach.

RJ.[/QUOTE]No idea who took that picture. I simply downloaded it from a porn site to go along with the gag "mantra" I wrote, "Trick them if you want to dick them". I thought it was funny, but if it bothers you then I deeply and sincerely don't give a shit. Maybe what you find funny would disgust me as well.

Meanwhile, I never had a jimmy bag break, and hope I never do because if I find myself balls deep wearing a rubber then I'm pretty sure there was a good reason I've got it on.

Call me Dick.