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I saw Nikki add recently and was in the mood for fat girl. I used to see Nikki years ago she was very GFE and Greek friendly. I asked thru text if she was still GFE and speaks Greek. She replied yes. I went off to Malden to some run down road side motel. Nikki answered the door. She looked bigger and run down from a hard life. I ask about extras and she says Greek is off the table and holds up a condom to a say let's get started. I asked what happened to BBBJ. She said it's unsafe. My night was ruined about to leave when I hear a noise in the bathroom. She said it's her girl. Who then comes out. It's the SSBBW huge girl Star aka Jenna or Christina. Big ass girl who has serviced me.

It's late and they need money for the room for tomorrow. So I offer $ for a double QV. They wanted $.2 but said I only had $.

They agreed only if I bought them cigarettes after.

We proceed it wasn't girl on girl or doubles. One would CBJ while the other lied on the next bed. I told Nikki to get it in doggy when star said QV was blow job only. That this point I wanted to bust a nut. Star said 20 more for FS. I just wanted to cum.

I had star get in K9 so I could enter from from behind. But she said mish only and spread in the fat girl V. I was so sick of her attitude and shit. I went OK over to fuck Nikki. I busted and left quickly.

Do not waste your time.

It is naive to assume that THEY WILL DESTROY your personal info after you are screened. They can say whatever they want! In reality, they will not destroy your personal info. It is really tragic that someone who says he is a Professional and have lot to loose give out personal info to these Korean and Chinese agencies. I know that we all have little guy syndrome and don't care what happens during that moment. But we need to be careful about giving pictures, name and all the details to them to SCREEN us. If someone pays them then they will give out all the info and you have no recourse since you are doing illegal transaction / activities with them. One doesn't need to be an attorney to understand simple Internet thing. They can "sell" your info outside US and all bets are off! Not suggesting they all do that. But you never know on this day of open net. Few days ago, Facebook was exposed for letting your messages to someone (which is supposed to be PRIVATE) were sharing them with companies who "PAID" them money! It happens everywhere. Boston Public channel WGBH sold my info and thousands of others few years back to whoever wanted and paid for it. This was supposed to be deleted and confidential for giving to their charity. Guess what? They realized that there is money to be made and didn't destroy the info. What makes you think that these Korean and Chinese agencies will not do the same?

[QUOTE=Krabi;4072937]I've been screened through a couple agencies. I am professional with a lot to lose, and I sure got nervous when Boston Asian Dolls was busted, and the awesome aamp near pine Street inn was busted, but nothing ever came of it.

Boston Asian Dolls had assurances that material used to screen people were destroyed after everything was confirmed, and they would approve your number for reference. Also, could law enforcement even act on seeing records of you visiting these girls? Where's the evidence that a law was broken?

Anyways, finding natural tits is difficult with Korean agencies. Finding consistently hot girls is difficult. The best we can do is turn away if we find that the girl isn't hot, in hopes that the agencies will stop misreprenting their girls.

Still can't believe anybody would pay 325 to fuck Jade. People need to raise their standards.

The best place was the aamp next to pine Street inn. 160 bucks for an hour, mamasan would send pictures via text, and encouraged you to walk away if they weren't hot enough and come back again. There were some ugly ladies there, and there were some truly beautiful ladies. You could tip them and expand the menu, and still not break the bank.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4073386]Yes, legit agency but there is no getting around showing your real I'd to the girl on the first visit. After the first visit you just text a different # and no more BS with the I'd but the damage is done, right?[/QUOTE]I agree. This agency seems to have a larger network than the typical Asian agencies. Their twitter handle has more than 1.5 k followers. I wonder how many original IDs they have.

Bad was the only agency I was ever verified with. Had to give work related info to get verified and also show DL on first visit. I don't see a way how a newbie can get started with the hobby without this level of verification as everyone seems to be asking for it?

Found a new board that seems to have some good familiar faces and some new ones. Reviews too.

Privatedelights.ch

Saw Alisha Love. Reviews were spot on and she is worth a visit for all of you. Treat her right. First visit is FBSM and if she likes you FS is available on second visit and beyond.

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Anyone ever see this girl? Been positng for a while.

[QUOTE=TomWantsFun;4074271]It is naive to assume that THEY WILL DESTROY your personal info after you are screened. They can say whatever they want! In reality, they will not destroy your personal info. It is really tragic that someone who says he is a Professional and have lot to loose give out personal info to these Korean and Chinese agencies. I know that we all have little guy syndrome and don't care what happens during that moment. But we need to be careful about giving pictures, name and all the details to them to SCREEN us. If someone pays them then they will give out all the info and you have no recourse since you are doing illegal transaction / activities with them. One doesn't need to be an attorney to understand simple Internet thing. They can "sell" your info outside US and all bets are off! Not suggesting they all do that. But you never know on this day of open net. Few days ago, Facebook was exposed for letting your messages to someone (which is supposed to be PRIVATE) were sharing them with companies who "PAID" them money! It happens everywhere. Boston Public channel WGBH sold my info and thousands of others few years back to whoever wanted and paid for it. This was supposed to be deleted and confidential for giving to their charity. Guess what? They realized that there is money to be made and didn't destroy the info. What makes you think that these Korean and Chinese agencies will not do the same?

.[/QUOTE]You're right. It is definitely the smart and safe move to not send your private information. It's also the smart move to not engage in this hobby at all, yet here we are.

If the worse thing they are going to do is sell my info, that's great. You said it yourself. In WGBH sells peoples info. No, the worst thing is getting an STD or getting busted, and these agencies have standards about protectoon, and safeguards against getting busted. BAD had my number, place of employment, and I'd. They were busted and nothing came of it. Even if they did find my info and wanted to pursue charges, all they would see is me asking to see a girl without explicit language, which isn't illegal. Maybe I just want to practice my Korean and Chinese!

[QUOTE=DeepThroat70;4074241]I saw Nikki add recently and was in the mood for fat girl. I used to see Nikki years ago she was very GFE and Greek friendly. I asked thru text if she was still GFE and speaks Greek. She replied yes. I went off to Malden to some run down road side motel. Nikki answered the door. She looked bigger and run down from a hard life. I ask about extras and she says Greek is off the table and holds up a condom to a say let's get started. I asked what happened to BBBJ. She said it's unsafe. My night was ruined about to leave when I hear a noise in the bathroom. She said it's her girl. Who then comes out. It's the SSBBW huge girl Star aka Jenna or Christina. Big ass girl who has serviced me.

It's late and they need money for the room for tomorrow. So I offer $ for a double QV. They wanted $.2 but said I only had $.

They agreed only if I bought them cigarettes after.

We proceed it wasn't girl on girl or doubles. One would CBJ while the other lied on the next bed. I told Nikki to get it in doggy when star said QV was blow job only. That this point I wanted to bust a nut. Star said 20 more for FS. I just wanted to cum.[/QUOTE]Link.

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Hi,

Just a heads up. The "lady" who is at the same place as Star. [URL]https://backpage.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/28147026/[/URL].

Is the same girl who has been around for a few years, known as Tianna. It's been a long time since I have seen her but I can offer some pros / cons.

Pros- Takes a pounding and loves it hard. Not a bad BBJ. Acts nice when you meet her. You will be safe at Joe's place.

Cons- is a heavy H user, in real life dates serious thugs, she is a bigger girl, pics are at least 5 years old. Should never trust her for an in call as you have to keep eyes on her at all times. When she is working, she will schedule appointments that leave her no time to shower.

I wouldn't see her again but she does get the job done.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Krabi;4075421]You're right. It is definitely the smart and safe move to not send your private information. It's also the smart move to not engage in this hobby at all, yet here we are.

If the worse thing they are going to do is sell my info, that's great. You said it yourself. In WGBH sells peoples info. No, the worst thing is getting an STD or getting busted, and these agencies have standards about protectoon, and safeguards against getting busted. BAD had my number, place of employment, and I'd. They were busted and nothing came of it. Even if they did find my info and wanted to pursue charges, all they would see is me asking to see a girl without explicit language, which isn't illegal. Maybe I just want to practice my Korean and Chinese![/QUOTE]Go in with a major in music, and instead of realizing your potential of playing for quarters on the redline and or street corner.

Become an internet pimp, live the fast life, eventually crap your pants in court and probably get off the charges because.

It's your first offense. America, America. You get the point.

That dude was like f a cubicle as he transformed himself from a quiet, obedient Asian proficient in cello, to an all out internet hustler.

Just wondering how he didn't think he was being followed ever? And I wonder who the secretary was?

[QUOTE=Belairht;4072797]I don't know of an ad, but you can view her monkey profile and get her digits. She is still active and hosting a few afternoons a month at a Dedham hotel. If the link below doesn't work, PM me and I'll send you her digits.

[URL]https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/gianna-escort-dedham-44202[/URL][/QUOTE]Pro's- cute (IMO) provider, intelligent, great conversationalist. If you are into MILF nympho types who truly get off, that's her. Also, her oral skills are top notch- I have been with Gianna multiple times over the years and she truly takes pride in her great BBBJNQNS talents. Con's- limited availability is the big thing, and if you saw her over 3 years ago, you will remember a gal who had the rare combo- cute face, thin legs, huge rack; so that last review (dated Dec. 2018) on ER is outdated, but there was a time when it was accurate, just not anymore. Unfortunately she had breast reduction surgery and then put on some weight all-around to the point that she's in the curvy to BBW range. I did reach out to her once looking for a 0. 5 h because of the great head-game she has, but our schedules couldn't match up. Hope that helps, happy hunting!

[QUOTE=DaddyDollaz;4068318]857 XXX 4897. Play nice and she will play naughty.[/QUOTE][URL]https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/28020370/8573334897[/URL]

[QUOTE=JDogInMA;4076424]Pro's- cute (IMO) provider, intelligent, great conversationalist. If you are into MILF nympho types who truly get off, that's her. Also, her oral skills are top notch- I have been with Gianna multiple times over the years and she truly takes pride in her great BBBJNQNS talents. Con's- limited availability is the big thing, and if you saw her over 3 years ago, you will remember a gal who had the rare combo- cute face, thin legs, huge rack; so that last review (dated Dec. 2018) on ER is outdated, but there was a time when it was accurate, just not anymore. Unfortunately she had breast reduction surgery and then put on some weight all-around to the point that she's in the curvy to BBW range. I did reach out to her once looking for a 0. 5 h because of the great head-game she has, but our schedules couldn't match up. Hope that helps, happy hunting![/QUOTE]Too bad she reduced her breasts they where amazing. I agree with you. All over a great MILF who loved sex and fucking. She had an open mind and loved trips to Greece. Also loved her bbbjcimnqns unless she snowballed me.

Hello,

I have been looking at the Asian provider advertising all over with phone number 617-xxxx388 for woburn. The pics seem too good to be true. I am only considering them as they have a verified profile on cityxguide. A quick search showed some consistent information in a couple of other websites as well, leading me believe they could be legit.

I emailed them using a secure email for more info and their 'manager' asked me to send text on her personal number.

Ending with 7978. This number only showed search results in the philly area but the pics don't match.

It would be great if anyone has info on this. I will happily report back if I see them. Thanks!

I can honestly tell you that the pictures are strictly promotional. You will never see those women at an appointment. You may occasionally find a young and attractive hostess, but more often than not she will be older, possibly overweight, and far from what you may have been led to believe.

[QUOTE=TalkTwoSam;4078541]Hello,

I have been looking at the Asian provider advertising all over with phone number 617-xxxx388 for woburn. The pics seem too good to be true. I am only considering them as they have a verified profile on cityxguide. A quick search showed some consistent information in a couple of other websites as well, leading me believe they could be legit.

I emailed them using a secure email for more info and their 'manager' asked me to send text on her personal number.

Ending with 7978. This number only showed search results in the philly area but the pics don't match.

It would be great if anyone has info on this. I will happily report back if I see them. Thanks![/QUOTE]

Hooked up with Dakota 781 XXX 2163.

She was a lot of fun, little petite spinner. Tight little body, good attitude.

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[QUOTE=TalkTwoSam;4078541]Hello,

I have been looking at the Asian provider advertising all over with phone number 617-xxxx388 for woburn. The pics seem too good to be true. I am only considering them as they have a verified profile on cityxguide. A quick search showed some consistent information in a couple of other websites as well, leading me believe they could be legit.

I emailed them using a secure email for more info and their 'manager' asked me to send text on her personal number.

Ending with 7978. This number only showed search results in the philly area but the pics don't match.

It would be great if anyone has info on this. I will happily report back if I see them. Thanks![/QUOTE]I visited last week and there were two girls available. Got Tina who took my call, decent CBJ then finished off in doggie. The other girl who was in the shower when I arrived turned out to be Lucy who I saw a couple of weeks ago. Lucy is the prettier of the two and is Korean while Tina is Chinese.

Book the 1/2 hr and they're okay for a quick pump and dump.

Only problem is you may have wait while the other girl finishes off her "guest".

Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night.

NGY.

[QUOTE=NoGrayYet;4078927]I visited last week and there were two girls available. Got Tina who took my call, decent CBJ then finished off in doggie. The other girl who was in the shower when I arrived turned out to be Lucy who I saw a couple of weeks ago. Lucy is the prettier of the two and is Korean while Tina is Chinese.

Book the 1/2 hr and they're okay for a quick pump and dump.

Only problem is you may have wait while the other girl finishes off her "guest".

Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night.

NGY.[/QUOTE]Thank you, that is valuable info!

[QUOTE=Troutman;4078710]I can honestly tell you that the pictures are strictly promotional. You will never see those women at an appointment. You may occasionally find a young and attractive hostess, but more often than not she will be older, possibly overweight, and far from what you may have been led to believe.[/QUOTE]Reading through the fourms generally, that's what I thought so too. I am on a limited time and budget, hence trying to make the best of it. Thanks!

Anyone have intel on Samantha from the Newton Waltham area? She advertises as being 45+ and has been advertising for several years.

Because they no longer allow personal ads but of course you can read between the lines. What I would like to know is, have any of you guys run an ad looking for a fwb situation and have gotten a reply from a couple that claim to live in Cambridge, MA around the Mass ave and Cameron Ave area. I can not post their pics out here. He is blonde, young and she is attractive brunette. He talks about networking with people because of their financial situation and claims that for 60 clams his beautiful wife will supply oral stress relief but no more than that as in you are on an egg timer once you meet her and depending on whether you go fast or may take longer she likes to show off her oral skills. I am leery that they could be a sting op as was the Foxy Lady in RI and the motel down in Attleboro where LE ran an ad for a working girl and as men knocked on the hotel door they were arrested and their names put in newspapers. If anybody has gotten a response like this I would like to know if they are legit or not. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Pastrami45;4080002]Anyone have intel on Samantha from the Newton Waltham area? She advertises as being 45+ and has been advertising for several years.[/QUOTE]Doing a search brings up several negative reports. I have never seen her myself.

[QUOTE=Psalyer;4080564]Doing a search brings up several negative reports. I have never seen her myself.[/QUOTE]I saw her a maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Bad attitude, upsell (contradicting what it said in her BP ad), lousy rushed BJ, one of the worst providers I have seen. Would not recommend at all.

[QUOTE=Pastrami45;4080002]Anyone have intel on Samantha from the Newton Waltham area? She advertises as being 45+ and has been advertising for several years.[/QUOTE]Terrible and a waste of money. She was also 45 about 20 years ago.

I had time to see Holly so I texted her to meet. I was excited to see her again. She offered a double with her gf. She said $.4 for hhr if I Uber them to my place.

I sent the Uber to the address but the didn't show up. In contact with driver but they ghosted after contact. Had to pay cancellation fee. She texted me this morning for a double and claimed Uber never showed up. YMMV.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/27991818/[/URL]

I wanted to bust a nut prior to holidays with the family. I had no luck reaching out to regs but I did hear back from Melissa. I really didn't want a BBW but time was running out. I went to her place. I hard to find townhouse complex in Dedham.

I went inside place smelled of smoke. She said she was crashing with a friend. She was dressed in leggings and a tank top with a zip up sweater. She is definitely girl in pics. She asked want I wanted. I said BBBJ and FS. She said safe play only and a rubber was required. She had an old free clinic condom out but I brought magnum XL. Not that I am big I just hate tight condoms on my junk. I had her undress. She had a big stomach that hung down and c cups but didn't look that big due to her frame. She went down on her knees for a CBJ. Had avg skills for a bigger girl. I pulled her hair and fucked her mouth. She gagged and spit up on my cock. She said not so rough but I gave all I had.

I was sitting on the couch and she was lying I put my fiv and gave a sniff test. I said let's fuck. She went to climb on when I heard someone upstairs. She said it was her friend that lives there but she wouldn't come down.

She rode me RCG than I flipped her doggy. Big ass for plenty of cushion. I pulled her hair and slapped her ass until I came. She gave me some paper napkins to clean up.

HHR $. 2. She asked for a tip due she needed presents for her kids. I told her I didn't have any more.

[URL]https://independent.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/28209963/Melissa[/URL]

Man. When I open listcraw most of the fat ones are in Malden area. Where are the decent ones at? I need to find myself a good car date girl to go to but can't find any decent one.

[QUOTE=DeepThroat70;4080956]I had time to see Holly so I texted her to meet. I was excited to see her again. She offered a double with her gf. She said $.4 for hhr if I Uber them to my place.

I sent the Uber to the address but the didn't show up. In contact with driver but they ghosted after contact. Had to pay cancellation fee. She texted me this morning for a double and claimed Uber never showed up. YMMV.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/27991818/[/URL][/QUOTE]Aww man, that sucks. They look fun on their pics. Matching socks and all. Though I think they misspelled "hoe".

SM.

I've just no luck. And these Latin / mixed butts are my weakness.

Called, said it would take 1. 5 hours to get to me; 5 hours later, still claims she is coming. Yeah, I just went to bed unfulfilled. Her "fee" was $ 50 which had me questioning to begin with, but she assured me she had no problem traveling. Now I know why she had no problem. Her pics are new compared to the post I reviewed. She's been posting for a few days now.

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Why you actually meeting these 2 for a double team. [blue][Deleted by Admin]

Let me take a swing at it, because it's his dick, his money and he wanted to? Maybe?

What business is it of yours who he fucks?

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Well, not sure how real they even are. If you browse and look through escortallligator and escort index and numerous other sites, over the last six weeks, those same pics have been part of a mix of numerous pictures used in numerous varying ads, using number girls' names, using numerous other phone numbers, with numerous ad wordings, stating they might be tied to numerous other towns / cities around Boston.

[QUOTE=DeepThroat70;4080956]I had time to see Holly so I texted her to meet. I was excited to see her again. She offered a double with her gf. She said $.4 for hhr if I Uber them to my place.
I sent the Uber to the address but the didn't show up. In contact with driver but they ghosted after contact. Had to pay cancellation fee. She texted me this morning for a double and claimed Uber never showed up. YMMV. [URL]https://escortalligator.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/27991818/[/URL][/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you replying to the right person?

[QUOTE=TurnOverHoney;4075994]Go in with a major in music, and instead of realizing your potential of playing for quarters on the redline and or street corner.

Become an internet pimp, live the fast life, eventually crap your pants in court and probably get off the charges because.

It's your first offense. America, America. You get the point.

That dude was like f a cubicle as he transformed himself from a quiet, obedient Asian proficient in cello, to an all out internet hustler.

Just wondering how he didn't think he was being followed ever? And I wonder who the secretary was?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fuhgetaboudit;4081637]Well, not sure how real they even are. If you browse and look through escortallligator and escort index and numerous other sites, over the last six weeks, those same pics have been part of a mix of numerous pictures used in numerous varying ads, using number girls' names, using numerous other phone numbers, with numerous ad wordings, stating they might be tied to numerous other towns / cities around Boston.[/QUOTE]They are mostly Star. A big fat waste of time.

Ok so I saw Tori maybe year ago same hotel rte1 Saugus next to the Kowloon. Really attractive very large assets. But not like overweight. Some Latino. Absolutely no GFE kissing or bb. Nice personality says she's a student so you may see her post once a week. Paid 60 qv FS. Ok CBJ but nothing great just Price is right. Downfall is clockwatcher so it makes it uncomfortable. Now a year later I pay 80 qv absolutely no kissing and no contact with genitals at all no ball touching nothing. CBJ sucked couldn't get off. Body completely changed through drastic surgery. All pictures and video posted are of someone else. Never said anything and I'm not even sure if it's the same girl from last year. However she does have massive tattoos on her stomach and if you check her posted pics no tats. I'm def not going back couldn't finish just too much of s clockwatcher even though she seems sweet but she is a pro. I'm done with covered many out there doing BBBJ for same price.

Yesterday I had an extended text conversation with the skinny girl from Lynn that has a lot of tattoos. She says she mostly does car dates and outcalls but occasionally does incalls, so after 2 hours of texting (trying to figure out if she was really available), I finally figured we were all set and headed out there and parked across the street. Texted her that I was there and she asked me which car; I should have realized what would come next but I thought she just wanted to look out the window and check me out before I came in, so I described my car and asked her if I could come in now. Two minutes later she comes out and crosses the street towards my car. I freaked out and drove away when she was about two feet from my car. Wish I handled it differently and felt bad about blowing her off, but I have out-of-state license plates and figured I'd get stopped if a cop saw this girl getting in my car. Not sure if she's just stupid or was texting so many guys that she forgot I was the one that wanted an incall. It's too bad because she looked pretty good and I was all set to get a BBBJ for $. I won’t do car dates because it’s too risky.

[QUOTE=Krabi;4081812]I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you replying to the right person?[/QUOTE]I think he was referring to the dude who got busted when BAD went down. Started off as a Berkeley student and then found himself into this world working for BAD.

[QUOTE=Johnson686;4082332]Yesterday I had an extended text conversation with the skinny girl from Lynn that has a lot of tattoos. She says she mostly does car dates and outcalls but occasionally does incalls, so after 2 hours of texting (trying to figure out if she was really available), I finally figured we were all set and headed out there and parked across the street. Texted her that I was there and she asked me which car; I should have realized what would come next but I thought she just wanted to look out the window and check me out before I came in, so I described my car and asked her if I could come in now. Two minutes later she comes out and crosses the street towards my car. I freaked out and drove away when she was about two feet from my car. Wish I handled it differently and felt bad about blowing her off, but I have out-of-state license plates and figured I'd get stopped if a cop saw this girl getting in my car. Not sure if she's just stupid or was texting so many guys that she forgot I was the one that wanted an incall. It's too bad because she looked pretty good and I was all set to get a BBBJ for $. I wont do car dates because its too risky.[/QUOTE]Got a link for her ad?

[QUOTE=HankChinanski;4082496]Got a link for her ad?[/QUOTE][URL]https://escortalligator.com.boston.listcrawler.com/post/28116225/Lynn[/URL]

Not sure if this will work but if not, go to escortbabylon and enter Lynn in the search box, her ad starts with the words "Lynn petite". If you try her out, let me know what I missed.

[QUOTE=Krabi;4072922]Where did you see her ad? I'll give anybody who is unbelievably hot a go.[/QUOTE][URL]http://genevievemarie.escortbook.com[/URL]

There is Keri Love of pornhub fame posting on Switter, at least that is what they want you to believe. Not sure who it is but doubt it is actually Keri Love.

Whoever it is, is totally paranoid that you are a cop, sends a pic with your name on a piece of paper that was totally not taken in any hotel. Plain to see.

Then lies about it saying they are protecting themselves from the cops. They told me where they were staying, then send that pic with name written on paper taken who knows where.

It definitely was not any hotel in Boston.

Stay far away from this one.

[QUOTE=Bastardale;4080930]Terrible and a waste of money. She was also 45 about 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]I concur. Upsell from the get go. Lame ass hand job and her tits are hard as a rock. Save your money! There are much better options available.