"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:

1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)

2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)

3) I'm relatively young for this scene.

What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?

Thanks for the lesson Spitfire. It will make my post more legible.

[This is a dignified and well thought out procedure which obviously works for you. It's got to be better for the baby than the rapid fire, fast penetration followed by abandonment attacks many of us specialize in. Yours is not my thing, because I don't want that kind of involvement, but I certainly respect it. However, I'm curious how you handled the security risk while you were married. QUOTE]

When I was married. I engaged a bit more into the semi rapid fire mode (3-6mth SBs) but did eventually settle on a regular SB. I then as now work and travel a fair bit so it would be "hey hon". Ill be late tonight. Or I have an overnight. I was fortunate in that I had a friend who let me use his house. FYI. NONE of these babies knew my real last name etc. My bud traveled alot too so schedules were ok to work out. Even if we crossed paths. The story was that he was a friend who traveled for work alot but came to my hometown so I would put him up (in his own house. Hahahah. Hey. These are the basic SBs. They usually had a BF so only moderately interested in me and my personal biz. But I used another friends industry as my own job when talking so I was reasonably knowledgeable and could speak the language if questions came up. But yes. 4-5 steps of cover. They say when your getting your pilots liscense to fly high enough for 3 mistakes. I try to use that lesson in most of my lifes endeavors. And no my divorce was not because I got caught. She never knew. But I was not married long. 5 yrs

I always kinda wanted to be a secret agent..... oooor am I?... muuuuaaahhhhaha

LikeMike,

Thanks for all of the great answers. I am following in your path on the LT SB one at a time. Taking my time with her and it is working out great.

But a couple of other questions.

1. Did you keep a bench going as backup or did you just play with the one? I am torn on this one since the bench makes for a lot more work. But you get the benefit of an abundance mentality.

2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.

What is the quality of your LT Babies?

Revvo

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB.

What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]Think hard about this decision Bro. I would only do that if she was a real girlfriend and you know everything about her. She will know all about you including where to find you.

I understand the temptation but when you tire of her or want variety then how do you get her out? It might not be easy and she will have something on you.

Bad idea, she will no longer be an SB. She will be a live in girlfriend, and they are hard to get rid of!

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:

1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)

2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)

3) I'm relatively young for this scene.

What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:

1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)

2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)

3) I'm relatively young for this scene.

What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:

1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)

2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)

3) I'm relatively young for this scene.

What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]I have lived with multiple SB's. Serious background check is required. Any kids, X's, drug use, did they graduate HS, do they want to work or are they in college, any prior live in experience, do they have a lot of friends, and on and on. I have a live in now and she is cool. Very hard to find. With zero drama

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1732437]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.[/QUOTE]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1732437]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Golfcart;1732821]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.[/QUOTE]The key to a domestic violence conviction is evidence of physical assault. If the girl you are shacking up with calls the police on you, in most Jurisdictions you are going to jail! You will be arraigned and depending upon your criminal history and quality of your attorney you will either be OR'ed or given a bail amount.

In the interim, a truly devious girl is going to file a restraining order against you. Forcing you to stay away from her for a certain amount of days. The first one she gets a free shot. Judges are not going to say no just in case you really are as fucked up as she says you are. But on request of renewal, if you are truly a fine upstanding citizen, that just likes to pay girl's to fuck you, she will not be able to maintain it. And you will be able to return to your home.

During this time your case will usually be referred to the investigating arm of 5-O. This often includes a request for a very uncomfortable interview with the POLICE in which you have to decide to reveal the true nature of the relationship with your live in girl. Or take the 5th. I always recommend taking the 5th. At the conclusion of this process the local prosecutor will decided if they want to file charges against you.

This is all governed by the laws of your state where you are shacking up with the girl. Now all bets are off if you like to slap your garden tools and kick them in the butt to let them know you mean business. Non consensually of course. (Mr. Lit, disclaimer not withstanding I bet you slapped a girl on occasion, but I digress). So, a hour with a divorce or criminal defense attorney may be money well spent.

Over all this a situation that is not unique to having Ho's live with you. Any women that you live with that gets tired of you fucking her, may begin to start fucking you. It's just that it gets a lot more complex when it is a ho you are paying to fuck.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;1728836]There are problems and issues with getting tail no matter what.[/QUOTE]Watch your ass mother fuckers or get it handed to you!

P. S. And for you inquiring mind type of mother fuckers out there. Yes! This happened to me! With the most expensive girl I have ever fucked in my life. My first wife (LOL)!

1. Always take care of home first.

2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.

3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.

4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.

5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.

6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.

7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.

8. Date your wife, keep her happy.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1732377]LikeMike,

2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.

Revvo[/QUOTE]

#CLHottie (22) : Had to let her go. After one month and seeing her only twice. She has some deep seated self-sabotage / self hatred issues. I've never seen any this bad off. Even with opportunities to make her immediate situation better, she chose to stay in the middle of drama and emotional upheaval. It quickly turned out not to be any fun or panties being dropped. That experiment is over.

#MsSuccessful (37) : Had to let that go. Her situation changed and it really required for us to make some changes. I could still be with her, but I'd either have to cut back on getting sex at the same pace or lie to her about being exclusive. So that's out.

#20YearOldDCHottie: Had lunch with a new prospect. She's a senior in college. African American, about 5'2, beautiful skin, great smile and just the most wonderful DDs. She reminds me of my other young hottie, only much smarter. My my my she's a cutie. Not sure it's going to turn out to be much. She's not sure she can go through with it. She does not want any funds. Her boyfriend is "away" and she'd like a distraction. She's never done this before and even though our dinner was fun and engaging, I could see her still struggling with her decision. She's agreed to take it one date at a time.

#MsLatinNympho (35 years old) : We've text or email every day. I'll probably be seeing her next week or the week after.

#MsOxymoron (29 years old) : She back in the saddle and we now have a standing date once a week. ($ each meeting). I got to pay for the hotel.

#MsYoungHottie : (22 yrs old) Saw her last night briefly. She's not the brightest, but dayum she's sexy! So she's been very easy to please and very easy to impress. This is a person who thinks $35 a day to rent a car is a lot of money. Just with the phone calls and emails and the small amount of funds I've sent. She's totally committed and being exclusive. She does not drive, does not have a car, lost her job and in school. She was venturing into Nando 1 territory, but she's taking my help to not go over the edge. This seems like it's going to be a great investment. The sex was great and she's gotten more and more comfortable. So now I'm getting really "good" pictures and tons of priority. She just lives so far away.

#MsBusiness (24) : Met a young AA Entrepreneur. She's is a mix of cute and pretty. Not quite as beautiful as some others. She is by no means petite. But if you like the shapely non-fat women, then she is classified as "smokin!". It was so bad I just had to compliment her on her back side when she was walking away. Absolutely amazing. During lunch, responding to my question, she said her minimal expectation was $2500. I did not choke on my steak, but kept the conversation going. At the end of lunch I thanked her and told her that she was out of my range. Amazingly she was negotiable as long as I didn't expect her to be exclusive. So we cut a deal between 600-800 per month. Since she has her own place, if this works out for the both of us, I'll have to drop someone else.

#MatureBigBooty (37) : Exchange pics and emails with 37 year old from AM. She is good looking, but her butt is actually a little on the big side. However everything else is very much in order, does not seem to have much of a belly. She was clear, she's looking to have some good experiences and get in some good screwing. She's single. We are schedule to meet on Sunday.

My BigButt beautiful friend from down south is flying in next week. And my six foot DD friend is flying in next month (I'm much shorter than 6 foot).

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"

"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"

I couldn't of said it better my brother. RESPECT!

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1732921]1. Always take care of home first.

2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.

3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.

4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.

5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.

6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.

7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.

8. Date your wife, keep her happy.[/QUOTE]Excellent tips. We need more of these. We've talked recently about being in deep cover with SBs, but we haven't talked much lately about the effort and care needed to maintain your "normal" life and keep it separate from your covert activities.

I'll just add that a gym membership is your best friend. And get a gym membership which has multiple locations if possible. Not only does the gym give you some regular "off-the-grid" time (I always leave my phone in the locker when I'm working out) but you have a reliable place to shower if necessary. It also doesn't set off alarm bells when you're packing a change of clothes with you and leaving the house with a travel bag. In your gym / travel bag always carry the exact same soap and shampoo. This way your FC visit can very easily mimic a gym workout. Women are very sensitive to smells, so if you use the same soap and shampoo at the FC as you would the gym, then to the SO you'll smell like you just came from the gym.

Also as Tigg said, have regular outside activities whether it's friends or even just taking a local community college class. And when you do those things even legit, don't gab too much about your activities to the SO. Aside from a few random anecdotes, try to establish the pattern with your SO that your time is your own and keep the summaries of your activities brief. If you're having to fabricate too many events in detail, eventually you're going to get your stories or details mixed up. It also minimizes the chances of contradictions from external forces if you keep things brief and vague. In general try to weave your lies as close as possible to the truth.

One more thing, I always be careful when meeting a SB who lives more than a hour from you. The distance can be good for discretion, but if you're driving 100 miles north, but you're telling the SO that you're actually 100 miles south or that you're in town, then you have to be extra careful with your trip. Don't get a speeding ticket. Make sure your car has been serviced recently. Know how to change a flat tire. Avoid parking tickets. Basically try to avoid situations that will leave you stranded or leave evidence that you were 100 miles away from where you suppose to be. It's also wise to check the weather, traffic, news of where your SO thinks you really are. If some guy tried to jump off a freeway bridge that brought traffic to a standstill, you better know about it.

That's why I actually avoid lying too much about my location because too many things can go wrong for exposure. So if I'm meeting a SB 100 miles north of me, I'll tell the SO I'm visiting a friend within a 25 mile radius of that location. This way if something unexpected happens, it's much easier to explain. As I said, I go by the principle of weaving lies as close as possible to the truth.

I forgot, the one thing missing from Tigg's list which I think is probably the second biggest vulnerability (the phone being the biggest) is your computer. You MUST secure your computer at all times. Don't ever use the family computer ever for SB activities. Only use your personal computer and make sure it's password protected and locked down when you're not around. When using it, don't use the default browser. Firefox and Chrome are getting even more popular so I would probably avoid those too. Use something like Opera which your SO won't recognize or know how to use. Don't use the save password function in the browsers. The vast majority of SO's get solid proof of infidelity from phones and computers. We use those things so much that it's easy to get sloppy. But at the same time try to keep the dirt buried in your computer deep enough, so your SO could check her Facebook on your computer without you having a nervous breakdown in front of her. Randomly offer her to look up something on your computer (in a controlled environment of course). This way she doesn't think you're trying to hide something.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1732821]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have thought of it except for an article in the local paper about the exact same situation, although that situation had nothing to do with SD / SB arrangements. It was crazy!

My limited experience has been pretty good. I just got back form a new hookup today. Was scheduled to see one of my regular SB today. Got text from her last night saying that today may not work because of a babysitting issue. Now this girl is a single mom and a solid 8 on any scale 5'7" 130lbs 22 yrs old. I meet her 2-3 times per month and give her 125 and pay for the hotel which is another 55-60. Then we have about 2 hours of fun. Multiple holes and she is into it too. She is a stripper. Very hot. She is NH SB1.

Anyway, she couldn't make it today so I contacted one of the other gals in her area. Met her for coffee. Talked about what each of us were looking for. I told her I was comfortable with 125 per meeting. She explained that she wasn't an escort."Of course you're not I said. If I was looking for an escort I'd be looking in a different place. I'm looking for someone I connect with and make it a regular arrangement." 3 minutes later she asked me if I liked her?"yes, you're cute and sexy" she suggested a nearby motel. 23 yrs old 5'4" 120 lbs and hot. I knew she was only available time wise for a one pop meeting. Very fun. What would I have paid for an escort about the same for this meeting. But we talked at the end and I mentioned that next time she should plan on 2-3 hrs of fun. She said that sounded good. Today's baby below (image 123) in bra garter set.