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[QUOTE=Guitarman1;1770762]Now regarding the girls that don't answer the phone when you arrive. Their voicemail will most likely either be full or not set up. Although if it works you can leave a message, or you can send a text. Otherwise you can give it a few minutes and call back, but you shouldn't wait long. Personally as soon as they don't answer I start pulling up other ads in the area on my phone. Once I find some ads I like I will give the girl I am waiting for one more try, then move on to calling the others. You aren't expected to wait, it is up to you how much time you want to risk wasting. This stuff mostly happens with high volume providers. Basically the girls that offer good prices for short stays.[/QUOTE]I call from 3-4 blocks away to say that I'm in the parking lot. If they don't answer, I keep going, and stay away until I get in touch with them. I might wait from 5-15 minutes, or longer for someone I've seen more than a few times. In that case I remind them of how long I waited, then collect the enthusiastic apology when I go in.

When I pull up, I look like any other guest or visitor who belongs there and already knows where he's going.

Sitting in your car in the lot attracts unwanted attention. I once had a hotel guard come over to ask what I was doing in their lot. I told him I pulled off the road to check business email and tipped the phone to show him. He asked me to wrap it up in 5 minutes. I had to bail and couldn't go back.

Using your phone in a commercial lot 6 blocks away is reasonable. Safe drivers pull off the road to text, right?

[QUOTE=Bunker Buster; 1770821]Shay: 305-807-8611.

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The middle pic with the black bra is easily spotted as Tiffany / Tessa / Ivanna, and has 190 hits on Google Image.

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The other 2 pix are stolen from different girls.[/QUOTE]Damn, you're good!

Should we, the more inexperienced, also post stolen pics? I've been checking and I've been finding a heck of a lot are stolen! More are stolen than are not stolen!

Exp

[QUOTE=Guitarman1; 1770762]I hope you are doing those outcalls at a hotel and not your home. Hosting a provider at your residence can end up going bad, even if you are single. They can steal from you, scout your place for her pimps crew to break in, or set you up for blackmail. Most of us consider it too risky, plus there is a higher percentage of rip-off artists among outcall only girls. It has been discussed at length plenty of times in the past if you want to search for those discussions.

Now regarding the girls that don't answer the phone when you arrive. Their voicemail will most likely either be full or not set up. Although if it works you can leave a message, or you can send a text. Otherwise you can give it a few minutes and call back, but you shouldn't wait long. Personally as soon as they don't answer I start pulling up other ads in the area on my phone. Once I find some ads I like I will give the girl I am waiting for one more try, then move on to calling the others. You aren't expected to wait, it is up to you how much time you want to risk wasting. This stuff mostly happens with high volume providers. Basically the girls that offer good prices for short stays.[/QUOTE]Well, one was at my home, yes. But the board members have advised me of the errors of my ways so I will not repeat. It doesn't sound much different from hiring Day Laborers. I guess the other thing I've noticed is outcalls tend to have more stolen pics.

I like your approach, however, these days I do a whole lot more research than I used to. I always look for reviewed providers because I figure they're safer. Maybe the thing to do is have two providers picked out, preferably in the same area.

The other problem, is I usually don't have much time to research during the day, so by the time I'm ready, it's really late like it is now. I figure 2 am is too late to be calling for an appointment, yes? Also, it would be harder to blend in this late because not many people are out and about, yes?

Thanks,

Exp

Went to visit this girl "Ivana" and from the jump things seemed fishy. First of all the hotel she was staying at has no free parking and it huges. To park its $16 & up to. WTF. I was so tempted to go but since she "looked" hott in the pics I decided to stay."Big mistake"! So I did my normal walk around the spots and then gave her a call. First call she didn't answer. A few moments later she calls me to tell me that she has no condoms, and could I go get some. WHAT. I said hell NO. That is one of the oldest tricks in the books when LE is waiting I was told.

Now I'm not sure if it was a sting or not, but things just didn't feel right. When I get that feeling I leave, because NO p*ssy is worth a trip with LE!

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Be safe guys!

Ok, saw an ad:

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For Mariah. 702-689-0409.

Ad said she was reviewed, so I went to the review site and she was there with decent reviews. Most importantly, it said the pics were hers. I check out the phone number and it looks like there was only one posting. I call, no answer, I hang up and start looking through the other ads (I am not very patient.). A few minutes later calls back, asking if I was trying to call, I said yes, and I wanted to know about the "specials". She says $ for hh, so I say ok, she texts address. I arrive, very upscale hotel! $$ a night! Call, she gives me room number, I go up, and it is not the woman in the pics. What gives? The review site said pics were hers, but I guarantee they are not. I'm not good at remembering faces, but breasts I never forget! The pics show a B cup and hers were a C or D. Anyway, she was kind of cute so I set the clams on the table and proceeded to have a good time, so everything turned out ok, but I was very surprised she was not the one in the pics.

BTW, there was no two call system, so I still don't know what that's all about.

So I get home and search on the images, and yes, she shows up in different areas, but that's normal isn't it? I also see same pics with a different number. 702-XXX-0402. Again these pics are not her but the name is Mariah.

So where did I go wrong, oh Wise One? I'm still looking for a petite blonde! (But I was too chicken to call you-know-who because of what happened last time). But at this point, only 1 out of 5 have been real pics which is disappointing.

To everyone, Mariah was a very nice Provider, the atmosphere was great and she did everything I expected. She was a bit larger than I expected, did not look like her pics, but was kind of cute anyway. Definitely Latina. CBJ lasted 5 or 10 minutes, then went miss. I had some problems (should have taken a Viagra!. Hindsight is sooo 20/20!) but she did a great job of assisting me. I would repeat because the price was right and I had a nice time. This was my first incall (feel free to congratulate me!.) and the cheapest I have paid without being free.

Thanks,

Exp

[QUOTE=Exp69; 1771694]Ok, saw an ad:

[url]http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/speacials-reviewed-22/4400346[/url]

For Mariah. 702-689-0409.

Ad said she was reviewed, so I went to the review site and she was there with decent reviews. Most importantly, it said the pics were hers. I check out the phone number and it looks like there was only one posting. I call, no answer, I hang up and start looking through the other ads (I am not very patient.). A few minutes later calls back, asking if I was trying to call, I said yes, and I wanted to know about the "specials". She says $ for hh, so I say ok, she texts address. I arrive, very upscale hotel! $$ a night! Call, she gives me room number, I go up, and it is not the woman in the pics. What gives? The review site said pics were hers, but I guarantee they are not. I'm not good at remembering faces, but breasts I never forget! The pics show a B cup and hers were a C or D. Anyway, she was kind of cute so I set the clams on the table and proceeded to have a good time, so everything turned out ok, but I was very surprised she was not the one in the pics.

BTW, there was no two call system, so I still don't know what that's all about.

So I get home and search on the images, and yes, she shows up in different areas, but that's normal isn't it? I also see same pics with a different number. 702-XXX-0402. Again these pics are not her but the name is Mariah.

So where did I go wrong, oh Wise One? I'm still looking for a petite blonde! (But I was too chicken to call you-know-who because of what happened last time). But at this point, only 1 out of 5 have been real pics which is disappointing.

To everyone, Mariah was a very nice Provider, the atmosphere was great and she did everything I expected. She was a bit larger than I expected, did not look like her pics, but was kind of cute anyway. Definitely Latina. CBJ lasted 5 or 10 minutes, then went miss. I had some problems (should have taken a Viagra. Hindsight is sooo 20/20!) but she did a great job of assisting me. I would repeat because the price was right and I had a nice time. This was my first incall (feel free to congratulate me.) and the cheapest I have paid without being free.

Thanks,

Exp[/QUOTE]Not after you get home. Maybe the pix were her, maybe they were old, maybe makeup and lighting are the difference. Once the first reviewer says the pix are real, nothing anyone else posts can change it. He might have been wrong, she might have changed pix. There are a lot of variables; we do our best to eliminate uncertainty, but there's always an element of rolling the dice.

She has some seriously mixed reviews on several sites, with some guys saying she's not good looking, and one even saying you can find her on the street. The average review is decent, so maybe she has a few enemies, met a few jerks, or doesn't get along with everyone.

What did you do 'wrong? ' I don't know. You met a nice person, had a nice time, and would like to see her again. Doesn't sound bad to me. You rolled the dice, and won.

[QUOTE=Powkid; 1771511]Went to visit this girl "Ivana" and from the jump things seemed fishy. First of all the hotel she was staying at has no free parking and it huges. To park its $16 & up to. WTF. I was so tempted to go but since she "looked" hott in the pics I decided to stay."Big mistake"! So I did my normal walk around the spots and then gave her a call. First call she didn't answer. A few moments later she calls me to tell me that she has no condoms, and could I go get some. WHAT. I said hell NO. That is one of the oldest tricks in the books when LE is waiting I was told.

Now I'm not sure if it was a sting or not, but things just didn't feel right. When I get that feeling I leave, because NO p*ssy is worth a trip with LE!

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Be safe guys![/QUOTE]She has ads in other states, and has been moving between Fairfax and Arlington counties.

I suspect she's a flake, and can't manage supplies, plus there aren't supplies in easy walking distance from that hotel.

Parking at that hotel is also inconvenient, but I've parked in the rental car slots or honored guest spots at night. I once got free parking there by asking the valet if he could watch my car for a few minutes while I went up to visit a friend.

Ok, with todays technology there is no reason the pics these girls post should be so grainy and small. Pretty much everyone has a decent camera on thier phone so there is no reason thier pics shouldn't be clear AND in a motel / hotel room setting. I won't even think about seeing anyone with pics that are taken in a studio set up. Also found out chatting with a provider that they use a website to screen OUR phone #s. She didn't tell me which one but she said they can post a phone # if they had a bad experience with someone.

[QUOTE=Exp69; 1771066]Well, one was at my home, yes. But the board members have advised me of the errors of my ways so I will not repeat. It doesn't sound much different from hiring Day Laborers. I guess the other thing I've noticed is outcalls tend to have more stolen pics.

I like your approach, however, these days I do a whole lot more research than I used to. I always look for reviewed providers because I figure they're safer. Maybe the thing to do is have two providers picked out, preferably in the same area.

The other problem, is I usually don't have much time to research during the day, so by the time I'm ready, it's really late like it is now. I figure 2 am is too late to be calling for an appointment, yes? Also, it would be harder to blend in this late because not many people are out and about, yes?

Thanks,

Exp[/QUOTE]You can still find plenty of girls working at 2am. Some girls are wrapping up their night but plenty will still answer at that time. Now if it is much later than that you will have a harder time finding a girl still up and working. Don't worry about walking through a hotel that late. The night staff most likely knows that girls work out of hotels, but for the most part they don't care to nose into anyone's business. They are paid to do a job so they just do their thing. Plus as far as they are concerned you could just be a guest getting back from a night out at the club.

The lower priced BP girls don't always have reviews and tend to move around. I don't do outcalls but I wouldn't be surprised if just as many incall girls use fake photos. You can use google image to help you, but that can only tell you so much. It may tell you if the pics are fake but not what the girl actually looks like or how accurate her real photos are. In the past I have set up appointments with girls that used fake photos. It was usually out of convenience, laziness, or being out at a really late hour with few options. Some were attractive enough to proceed. 1 or 2 actually looked much better than expected, and I turned around and walked out maybe 3 times. I just gave them the usual "I'm sorry but I'm just not attracted to you" and left. There are plenty of variables but you don't have to be afraid to TOFTT and see an unreviewed provider from time to time. If you don't like what you see you can always turn around and leave before you drop the donation. As you are in this hobby longer you will get better at analyzing ads on the fly. As you get better at narrowing the field, it makes the research easier.

Oh and congrats on your first successful incall. You played it right. She wasn't the girl in the pic, which happens a lot, but you still considered her attractive so you proceeded and had a good time. Plus now you see that you can't rely on a certain other site saying that the pics are real. If you aren't happy just leave before you drop the donation.

[QUOTE=Exp69; 1771066]Well, one was at my home, yes. But the board members have advised me of the errors of my ways so I will not repeat. It doesn't sound much different from hiring Day Laborers. I guess the other thing I've noticed is outcalls tend to have more stolen pics.

I like your approach, however, these days I do a whole lot more research than I used to. I always look for reviewed providers because I figure they're safer. Maybe the thing to do is have two providers picked out, preferably in the same area.

The other problem, is I usually don't have much time to research during the day, so by the time I'm ready, it's really late like it is now. I figure 2 am is too late to be calling for an appointment, yes? Also, it would be harder to blend in this late because not many people are out and about, yes?

Thanks,

Exp[/QUOTE]Which providers did you see on an outcall basis and how did they perform? I understand that you're changing your ways, but it would still be good to share that info with the forum.

Saw Ryder, her ad shows some nice pics and reviews say they are accurate. Should be stated the pics are old, she is at the least 20lbs heavier. Regular BP girl, non-GFE, but nice girl, and would only repeat if there was nothing else. Her ads.

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T1FTT today on Suani in chantilly, as she had no reviews that I could find. I think she's fairly new due to her first post in the adult ad's section earlier in the day, then later an escort ad pops up.

Tried all week to contact her and voicemail full. Finally today she answered and we set a time to meet. Doesn't speak English at all so scheduling was hard. Once arrived she was the girl in the pics, however the pics almost looked like they could be a little older.

Opted for the 30 mins at .80 and had a fun time. Pretty hard to talk with, her not speaking english but I tried my best.

Over all experience was pleasant and I would recommend to any juicy fat butt lovers.

Very pretty girl and nice tan being that she's from Honduras.

Her first ad,

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Follow up ad, later that day then updated each day til Friday.

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[QUOTE=JmSuttr;1772161]Which providers did you see on an outcall basis and how did they perform? I understand that you're changing your ways, but it would still be good to share that info with the forum.[/QUOTE]Good question JmSuttr. Exp has received a lot of good information from many of the members of this forum without a lot of flaming to read the forum. He should share his information on the providers that he saw and the providers performance. He owes the forum that much. There are a lot of guys that want to take from the forum for free but they do not give any information in return. We had another monger like him on this forum a few weeks ago, (I'll have to find his name) that wanted free information, boasting that he had seen many providers. When the monger was questioned about the information for the providers, he was found to be a fraud by JmSuttr. So Exp, you have ran up your post count, you have gotten a lot of good information that usually take months for newbies to get, so it is time for you to share the information about your providers. We definitely are waiting.

Propilot-Always check your six.

Update: The monger who JmSuttr found out to be a fraud was Sma168. After Sma168 was caught in a lie,I believe that he never posted again. Exp,after all the info that you have been given,the ball is in your court,time to put up or shut up.

[QUOTE=Powkid; 1771511]Went to visit this girl "Ivana" and from the jump things seemed fishy. First of all the hotel she was staying at has no free parking and it huges. To park its $16 & up to. WTF. I was so tempted to go but since she "looked" hott in the pics I decided to stay."Big mistake"! So I did my normal walk around the spots and then gave her a call. First call she didn't answer. A few moments later she calls me to tell me that she has no condoms, and could I go get some. WHAT. I said hell NO. That is one of the oldest tricks in the books when LE is waiting I was told.

Now I'm not sure if it was a sting or not, but things just didn't feel right. When I get that feeling I leave, because NO p*ssy is worth a trip with LE!

[url]http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/specials-petite-bonde-california-beauty-ivana-love-21/9418025[/url]

Be safe guys![/QUOTE]That's not always the case. Having been at this for a bit, I usually know which hotels the girls are staying, based on which area they tell me they're staying in. Probably because the motel / hotel's nighttime security procedures. If it's a motel / hotel that I've never heard of, or one that is very inconvenient for customers, that usually means that they are first-timers in this area. I have seen girls at a place in Crystal City, where parking is very scarce with a pay garage. Girls there are usually new to the area. Also I have had a provider ask me to get condoms. I did it that time and there were no problems, but I won't do it anymore because it's just professional. All the girl needs to do at the very least is wash her ass and have condoms, and some can't even handle that. But at least if she asks you to pick up some, you can be pretty sure you're going to get what you've come for.

[QUOTE=Utwogood;1772821]All the girl needs to do at the very least is wash her ass and have condoms, and some can't even handle that. But at least if she asks you to pick up some, you can be pretty sure you're going to get what you've come for.[/QUOTE]Asking you to pick them up can also be a way to get you to incriminate yourself, and to make you look worse. Think about how bad it looks on Dateline Predator when guys show up with condoms and booze."I just came here to talk" doesn't really fly.

To be safe, you shouldn't pick them up for someone you don't already know.