[QUOTE=Zippy69;6704139]I was getting ready to pull the trigger. It sounds like her selling point is bareback.[/QUOTE]Not a Goddess just good. Enough said.
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[QUOTE=Zippy69;6704139]I was getting ready to pull the trigger. It sounds like her selling point is bareback.[/QUOTE]Not a Goddess just good. Enough said.
Hi. What is the best web site for House massages. Wish the girls would post more here. They seem not too. Sadly. CL and BP were the old time favorites. But so many today and most are cash app in advance and scams.
What does everyone like.
Sunny day. Enjoy the nice non rain.
Hey! A few months ago, I saw a lovely woman at Phoenix on 82nd Drive, named Eva. She spoke good English and told me she lived in Pennsylvania. She also gave a great BBBJ service and was super upfront about donations. The next time I went in, she was gone, but it sounded like she had planned to stick around the Portland area. Anyone know where she might've gotten to, or if she's still working?
I was fortunate enough to be back in town for business again. I have been an AMP monger for many years and was rather amazed at the number of choices in Portland. Some are rather poor choices for sure but I went around a bit to try to find one that would hit the spot. On a prior visit, I went to Everyday Spa and was impressed enough to go back again on this trip. I am glad I did. There are two lovely girls there, Judy and Anna. They are both attractive masseuses with excellent customer service skills and extensive menus that would please any monger. I spent an hour with Judy followed by a half with Anna. I went back to my hotel with a big smile. I'm by no means an expert on the Portland AMP scene but I think I have found my spot to go when in town. Everyday is top-notch.
[QUOTE=CobaltBlue;6714156]I was fortunate enough to be back in town for business again. I have been an AMP monger for many years and was rather amazed at the number of choices in Portland. Some are rather poor choices for sure but I went around a bit to try to find one that would hit the spot. On a prior visit, I went to Everyday Spa and was impressed enough to go back again on this trip. I am glad I did. There are two lovely girls there, Judy and Anna. They are both attractive masseuses with excellent customer service skills and extensive menus that would please any monger. I spent an hour with Judy followed by a half with Anna. I went back to my hotel with a big smile. I'm by no means an expert on the Portland AMP scene but I think I have found my spot to go when in town. Everyday is top-notch.[/QUOTE]Now if only I had a clue where Everyday Spa was. Google, rubmaps, and rubsguide all come up blank.
[QUOTE=FastEddie70;6715157]Now if only I had a clue where Everyday Spa was. Google, rubmaps, and rubsguide all come up blank.[/QUOTE]Google worked just fine for me. It's on Halsey.
[QUOTE=RileySmom;6715198]Google worked just fine for me. It's on Halsey.[/QUOTE]I think it used to be called Halsey Massage and that's how it's listed on RM. The phone number has changed. You can see the new signage and number using Google street view.
[QUOTE=FastEddie70;6715157]Now if only I had a clue where Everyday Spa was. Google, rubmaps, and rubsguide all come up blank.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why I suggest listing an address or nearest intersection, AND the city if it is not specifically Portland.
[QUOTE=FastEddie70;6715157]Now if only I had a clue where Everyday Spa was. Google, rubmaps, and rubsguide all come up blank.[/QUOTE]Well, I just googled it and it popped right up. It's on NE Halsey St.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6715355]This is exactly why I suggest listing an address or nearest intersection, AND the city if it is not specifically Portland.[/QUOTE]I typed in "Portland everyday" on my favorite maps page and found it in seconds. And I am VPN in thru Australia. Sounds like fasteddie and some others here simply want things spoon fed and like to complain about everything with little interest in doing their own due diligence.
I've repeated many places dozens of times and couldn't tell you the address.
[QUOTE=Pdx503;6715751]I typed in "Portland everyday" on my favorite maps page and found it in seconds. And I am VPN in thru Australia. Sounds like fasteddie and some others here simply want things spoon fed and like to complain about everything with little interest in doing their own due diligence.
I've repeated many places dozens of times and couldn't tell you the address.[/QUOTE]Actually I'm requesting the same things that I give. If you look through my posts in this section, you will see I make sure there's no confusion about the place I'm at. Think for example of the guy that said he went to a place called lucky. There's at least three different Luckys in the metro area, perhaps even five. Then there's the problem of guys that talk about Highway 99 and some cross street, but don't say the city. That could apply to either Vancouver or Tigard. It's not that I could not figure out where everyday was, it's that I'm trying to encourage other gentlemen to include the basic location info in their reviews to make it easy on everyone. If you're unhappy with the quality of my reviews please speak up.
In West Linn, she goes by Tina. Not a beauty, but she is a nice 40+ lady that provides everything, and seems to enjoy herself. I would see her again. I saw her earlier this week, she told me she's expecting her cycle so you may want to wait until the next phase of the moon.
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[QUOTE=CobaltBlue;6715632]Well, I just googled it and it popped right up. It's on NE Halsey St.[/QUOTE]Is it on Halsey and 119th?
Not too hard to figure out. Drive by and check. I will do the same. And perhaps visit the others on mill plain in vancovuer which are west of the hospital. Been to two two more to go I will test them all out.
Have a great weekend guys keep the reports flowing.
[QUOTE=Pdx503;6715751]I typed in "Portland everyday" on my favorite maps page and found it in seconds. And I am VPN in thru Australia. Sounds like fasteddie and some others here simply want things spoon fed and like to complain about everything with little interest in doing their own due diligence.
I've repeated many places dozens of times and couldn't tell you the address.[/QUOTE]I spent about 25 minutes trying to figure out the locations of two places that had reports on the first page of posts. Neither got any hits via "xxx Portland" or "xxx Vancouver wa", since the reports didn't even give me that much information. Rubsguide wasn't any help either, though I think the search function there is just useless. Rubmaps let me figure out the first one I was looking for, but wouldn't come up with anything for Everyday Spa. So no, I tried, I just came up dry. It seems like other people tried the same thing I did and got better results, I don't know.
But just to clarify the point, right here in your response "my favorite maps page. " Why can't you actually be helpful and specify what maps page got results?
[QUOTE=CobaltBlue;6714156]I was fortunate enough to be back in town for business again. I have been an AMP monger for many years and was rather amazed at the number of choices in Portland. Some are rather poor choices for sure but I went around a bit to try to find one that would hit the spot. On a prior visit, I went to Everyday Spa and was impressed enough to go back again on this trip. I am glad I did. There are two lovely girls there, Judy and Anna. They are both attractive masseuses with excellent customer service skills and extensive menus that would please any monger. I spent an hour with Judy followed by a half with Anna. I went back to my hotel with a big smile. I'm by no means an expert on the Portland AMP scene but I think I have found my spot to go when in town. Everyday is top-notch.[/QUOTE]Any creampie action here?
Hey all,
Longtime lurker, first-time poster. And since I've been benefitting from all of your recommendations, I thought it was finally time to give back and contribute.
One of my original mongering stops used to be the old Yi Chi on 82nd / Burnside where I would frequent Vivi and CiCi. They all always gave quality attention and a great massage, so when they left for Yi Chi 2 (between SE Duke and Flavel on the west side of 82nd), I followed. They've always offered a very relaxing standard finish w / roaming and never shorted me on time. I suspect the menu might possibly provide more, but since I what I was mostly looking for was a good, strong massage, I never felt the need to ask. CiCi isn't there, anymore, but there's a new shop that Vivi also works at sometimes, Qi Qi Spa around SE 64th & Powell. There's a girl named Bella who just started and is mid / late 40's (I have a terrible asian age-gauge LOL) who gives an incredibly strong massage and has a pretty smile. Sounds like a couple of young (er) girls are going to be starting, fairly soon, too. Anyway, just my two-cents, but they're my go-to at both locations. Hope this helps!
Happy Mongering!
Is the 87th and Canyon place closed? I know it's not CNE so I assumed it was the place on the triangle island facing canyon, if so seems the place closed shop? Or is it some place new? Feel free to pm
edit: Nevermind.
[QUOTE=Sscdrake;6719881]Is the 87th and Canyon place closed? I know it's not CNE so I assumed it was the place on the triangle island facing canyon, if so seems the place closed shop? Or is it some place new? Feel free to pm.[/QUOTE]The poster on the door reads healthy life spa. The main part of the building faces Canyon however the entrance to the spa is on the lower level and faces 87th. The business on the upper level that faces Canyon is a Mexican Tienda type place.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6719890]The poster on the door reads healthy life spa. The main part of the building faces Canyon however the entrance to the spa is on the lower level and faces 87th. The business on the upper level that faces Canyon is a Mexican Tienda type place.[/QUOTE]Thanks a ton, found it after some searching. Will do a report when I get back from work but I had a good time.
Thought it was the place that used to be across the street where the record store is now.
On Thursday, stopped by a few places on Powell. The first one is diagonal across the street from steakadelphia. It used to be called Lily, but now it just says massage. Two youthful cute looking ladies working there.
Next stop was a few blocks down the street, at 65th / Powell, called Sisters. Map to more useful attractive girls there one named Corona the other was named helen. I was paired with helen, she has very long straight dark hair, attractive face, nice body with natural c cups. She was all smiles, and wearing a clingy shiny dress that also looked like lingerie at the same time.
She is not into kissing, not into prolonged daty, all services were covered. I enjoyed looking at her during the main event. By the way this location has bars by the ceiling if you like to get your back walked on.
Had a very pleasant meeting with Fanny at Sunny, which is at the intersection of Mill Plain and Lieser. It's the one around the corner from the convenience store, there's also a tattoo shop in that same Plaza as a point of reference.
Nice girl, nice body, good time. Also enjoyed a massage and getting my back walked on. I would see her again. There is another young lady working there that goes by the name of JoJo, who is also easy on the eyes. Abcdatylfkbbbjcfsxyz.
For fans of the delicious (and fun) Cherry, she is now at Maple on First St near 172nd, which is about halfway between Vancouver and Camas.
Stopped by 172 and Halsey for the first time. Met Mia at the entrance and went with the hr session. Shown into a nearby room and she moved the rolled up towel off the table after I mentioned I've been to other places when she asked earlier if I've been there before so she understood what I was implying. Table just had the sheet and no towel on top to be between me and the sheet. I wasn't thinking at the time so I just laid down. The massage was decent, her constant checks on if the pressure was ok and if I was feeling any pain was good but got to the point that it was becoming more annoying. On the flip, asked what I wanted and got CBJ / cfs. Mia is not my type being a little heavier than average and her overall looks so rcg was all we tried but she only had one speed and that was fast. Didn't pay attention to me trying to slow her down so just finished not long after. Asked if I wanted to see the other girl Jessica and go a round with her but I told her I'd like to meet her later. Didn't have it in me for a second round or bring the funds for a second girl. Finished up with the front massage and she went out to get me a cup of water with Jessica in tow. When I said later I meant on the way out of the place. Jessica wasn't for me either with her permed short hair and looking to me like an Asian auntie. The place was a bust for me so it'll be a while before I give it another try because of this experience and just being far for me to get to.
I had a nice time at Maple. But it was a in and out the door type event. Cut you short so the next guy can get it. Reminded me of the Navy where you hot bunk on a sub. Not my idea of a sanitary time. Personally a new sheet Towel and such needs to be done in front of my face. The nagging in the back of your mind thinking you are laying in someone elses YOU know what. Takes a little fun out of it.
But she is a tight body nice spinner and cute at hell.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6720097]Had a very pleasant meeting with Fanny at Sunny, which is at the intersection of Mill Plain and Lieser. It's the one around the corner from the convenience store, there's also a tattoo shop in that same Plaza as a point of reference.
Nice girl, nice body, good time. Also enjoyed a massage and getting my back walked on. I would see her again. There is another young lady working there that goes by the name of JoJo, who is also easy on the eyes. Abcdatylfkbbbjcfsxyz.
For fans of the delicious (and fun) Cherry, she is now at Maple on First St near 172nd, which is about halfway between Vancouver and Camas.[/QUOTE]What was the damage? Thanks.
Sometimes I get asked how much I spend at an AMP. Almost always, it's 200 total for an hour of everything. If I meet too much resistance, I leave because I know the next place will say yes. Occasionally I have taken the advice of another member that said an extra 20 will usually turn a frown upside down.
Hello fellow mongers.
I will be visiting portland for the first time tomorrow and I'd really appreciate if you could help me find a good massage place with slender provider with standard HE finish.
No really looking for the full menu at this time. I will be staying near Portland State University.
I'll have a rental so anywhere preferably within 20 min distance would be great.
Please help a brother out and will do the same when you're visiting Seattle!
Thanks!
Had business on the westside today so decided to try Oriental pearl off Cornell and got Angela, who appears to have many reviews here already. Doable face, acceptable body with large naturals. When I showed up she was in a dress jacket over a dress with leggings, which did not appear promising so I opted for the 30 for 50. Handed 60 and asked for change. Surprisingly while I was getting undressed she actually came back with 10 change and left it on the table and left again to let me finish. That's a first really anywhere so far I have seen.
When she returned the dress jack and leggings were gone and only left the cocktail dress which was looking more promising. She said she was the only one working there today but tomorrow there will me another, Amy or something.
Very good massage for about 15 minutes and had to leave to answer the door. I was on the room next to the lobby so I heard the conversation rather clearly. It was some Vietnamese lady (yes I recognize the accent) wanting to purchase gift cards for her husband. I was like WTF I hope this is not going to take a while. If you have met Angela, you know her English is not great, so you could hear her using her phone translate app to complete the gift card purchase for the lady. Back and forth with the app and took over 15 min. The lady wanted to buy $120 in gift cards. After wards she tried to then book and appt with Angela. I was scratching my head at this point. Not sure if any appt was made but she left soon after.
Angela returns, apologizes and finishes up my back before going to get hot towel. On the flip, her top comes down exposing her large naturals and asking what I want and if I would tip. I requested boom boom and handed her the 1. 4 from my pants and she happily took it without counting or asking for more.
BBBJ, CFS, CG, mish. She took a good pounding. Asked for 69 DATY and she said maybe next time.
When she told me the lady want to buy a massage for her husband, I wanted to ask if she was going to do all this stuff to him also or did that lady know what she was gifting him? LOL.
After work on my way down canyon, stopped by the place across from the aloha intel and the Popyes chicken. Was greeted by an old granny and left.
Tried to stop in at the place by the car stereo place near Don chilitos, but the lot was a little busy for my taste. The front door is not as obvious from the street as some has mentioned here, but there was like a family hanging out in the lot chatting so I opted not to stop in.
There was a couple mentions of Maple this week and it piqued my interest so stopped in tonight for recon. I already had a rub earlier in the day so opted not to stay.
Met with Jenni? In a tight clubbing dress with large ones squeezed together. Butterface but banging spinner body. I told her next time. Looks to be worth a revisit since in the past I've been met with some plain janes in like aprons and scrubs here.
Asked who else was working, she said there was a new girl in the room with someone but she didn't know her name.
Someone mentioned a cherry here who sounded promising. I have not yet had the pleasure to meet this one but she sounds like she's worth a visit.
[QUOTE=Pdx503;6721538] Doable face, acceptable body with large naturals. I opted for the 30 for 50. Handed 60 and asked for change. Surprisingly while I was getting undressed she actually came back with 10 change and left it on the table and left again to let me finish. That's a first really anywhere so far I have seen.
Very good massage for about 15 minutes and had to leave to answer the door. I was on the room next to the lobby so I heard the conversation rather clearly. It was some Vietnamese lady (yes I recognize the accent) wanting to purchase gift cards for her husband. I was like WTF I hope this is not going to take a while.
Angela returns, apologizes and finishes up my back before going to get hot towel. On the flip, her top comes down exposing her large naturals and asking what I want and if I would tip. I requested boom boom and handed her the 1. 4 from my pants and she happily took it without counting or asking for more.
BBBJ, CFS, CG, mish. She took a good pounding. Asked for 69 DATY and she said maybe next time.
.[/QUOTE]This is a very nice shop and tries to come off as legit so maybe the gift card buyer was not aware of extras offered.
I have learned the hard way, you must tell them everything you want such as BJ daty 69 or many providers will only provide boom boom. I'm surprised she didn't allow daty /69 considering your patience waiting for her return.
You saved me some time and money as I was planning on stopping in but hate disruptions. I try to avoid one provider shops unless they lock the front door during a session. $190 for 30 without daty and 69 is excessive IMHO.
[QUOTE=Trumpeter;6711237]I think there are more than two called "Lucky". What street is the one you went to?[/QUOTE]The one I went to is on Natio Parkway and shows up in Google Maps as simply Asian Massage. It was fun and I liked the way she was dressed, but I think I'll keep on searching for a place to become my regular place. The one I originally planning on going to is on and Broadway by the river (I think the door is actually on a side street).
[QUOTE=OneOne9;6722303]This is a very nice shop and tries to come off as legit so maybe the gift card buyer was not aware of extras offered.
I have learned the hard way, you must tell them everything you want such as BJ daty 69 or many providers will only provide boom boom. I'm surprised she didn't allow daty /69 considering your patience waiting for her return.
You saved me some time and money as I was planning on stopping in but hate disruptions. I try to avoid one provider shops unless they lock the front door during a session. $190 for 30 without daty and 69 is excessive IMHO.[/QUOTE]Curious. Do you guys pay less for FS during a 30 min sessions vs 60 min session?
I just figured they want the same since FS is FS regardless of the time. I normally opt for the hr to have time to relax and not feel rushed but this time was new and I didn't want to waste my time if it sucked. I usually just bring in a wad of 1.4 to tip for FS, take it or leave it. Some times ill attempt to slip 1.0 or 1.2 to see if they bit, but never more then 1.4.
[QUOTE=Pdx503;6722524]Curious. Do you guys pay less for FS during a 30 min sessions vs 60 min session?
I just figured they want the same since FS is FS regardless of the time. I normally opt for the hr to have time to relax and not feel rushed but this time was new and I didn't want to waste my time if it sucked. I usually just bring in a wad of 1.4 to tip for FS, take it or leave it. Some times ill attempt to slip 1.0 or 1.2 to see if they bit, but never more then 1.4.[/QUOTE]I usually offer 200 for the hour, 160 for half hour, total. But I prefer an hour. The ideal situation is boom boom first followed by a good quality massage. For me, that is the perfect AMP visit.
[QUOTE=Sscdrake;6719942]Thanks a ton, found it after some searching. Will do a report when I get back from work but I had a good time.
Thought it was the place that used to be across the street where the record store is now.[/QUOTE]Spent an hour here with someone who called herself Nana, was on the younger side (who knows what her real age was, looked early thirties to me), c cup but plump rear. The massage was passable, not great but at least she put effort into it instead of rubbing a circle in the same spot for 30 min which really annoys me. I was able to get CBJ and started with CFS, but then went on to BB her, she seemed okay with it but for more money which I did not offer, she let me do it in an attempt to get me to hurry up.
That is also the reason I probably wouldn't ever repeat with her. I'm a bit above average in size and for a long time actually thought I was small until I learned if and was surprised by the actual statistics, but I'm not packing 9 inch BBC, yet too many of these AMP asian ladies act as if I'm using a toyota to ram a tree trunk into them. She eventually wanted to stop and finish with standard HJ, but still wanted $$. Uh, hell no.
After some negotiating she said she was sorry and would let me BBCIP if I was quick if I still gave her $$, and seemed overall open to it (though for more than I was willing to give her, YMMV).
Overall, I had a pretty good time as far as AMPs go, but it was far from my best experience and though I ultimately had fun I wouldn't ever repeat with Nana again. I really hate being rushed like that and if you're just going to whine the entire time, it not only makes me uncomfortable but also makes me wonder why you offer it in the first place, and the only realistic answers are not flattering.
Anyway, too bad I missed Sophia I guess, but there you go.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6721090]Sometimes I get asked how much I spend at an AMP. Almost always, it's 200 total for an hour of everything. If I meet too much resistance, I leave because I know the next place will say yes. Occasionally I have taken the advice of another member that said an extra 20 will usually turn a frown upside down.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I never even bother bringing more than that.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6722639]I usually offer 200 for the hour, 160 for half hour, total. But I prefer an hour. The ideal situation is boom boom first followed by a good quality massage. For me, that is the perfect AMP visit.[/QUOTE]In my experience paying up front for the hour is usually an inefficient use of funds. The girls prefer 30 minutes and will likely do their best to get you out in 30 min anyway. If you have 200 to spend doing a 30 min session will get more of that money to the girl and not the shop, and naturally the girls like that so you'll be able to negotiate more / better service. And if you click with a provider, even better. I regularly one provider who has decided she likes me (must be my great looks and winning personality, hah) and insists giving me a thorough massage before the action. I'm usually in there with her for over an hour, maybe 1:15. I pay a half-hour room fee and give her the rest of the 200, and she loves me for it.
Nothing wrong with hour appointments, I've just learned not to pay for one up front, unless you have seen her before and know what you are getting.
Some time ago someone wrote they take 200.
Pay for 30 and use what's left to negotiate.
I like this method but also I have found paying for 60 I seem to get a better massage with a happy ending.
I never spend more than 200 for whatever service I get.
[QUOTE=Sancho1999;6723913]Some time ago someone wrote they take 200.
Pay for 30 and use what's left to negotiate.
I like this method but also I have found paying for 60 I seem to get a better massage with a happy ending.
I never spend more than 200 for whatever service I get.[/QUOTE]Like I always say: a gentleman brings three things to the shop; two benjamins and a cover!
Ran into coco at phoenix in Clackamas, An old favorite. I thinks its call phoenix, on 82 and shares the building with a hair salon. You may remember her from division and then at Powell. She said he stopped working for a couple years after Powell but is now back. Thicker and rounder then when I last saw her but still nice and decent. Had bolt ons installed during covid.
We got reacquainted and she started reaching for jr. I asked for a quick massage and she obliged. No time or money was discussed at all and I loved that.
5 min into the back rub I decided it was a good time to flip. Fooled around with HJ and she sucked my balls for a bit before leaving to go get a cover.
69 cfscgmishcumontits. I helped her clean herself up and she got me a towel. She stayed and chatted while I got dressed. I put the stack of 2. 0 I brought with me and placed it on the table for her. She didn't even count it.
She said she was the only one today, another tomorrows but then a new girl in a few weeks.
Since I was in that part of town decided to check out the talent near by.
Lotus flower nearby on 94th. Met Jenni or something. Looked like late 30's cute and worth a visit. Straight up told me. 6 for the hour and 2. 0 for everything. Can't argue with that but I told her I just had a massage and I'd see her next time.
Up 82 at Mimi by the napa, met a gilf with jerry curled perm that reminded me too much of an old Chinese MIL. I said not thank you and left.
Driving back to the office I stopped by a recently reviewed place at foster near gateway. Rang the door and met Anna. Looks pretty cute and 30's. Might be a better visit next time in stead of driving to Clackamas. She wanted me to stay but alas I was already drained.
Drove down to Sandy near the air port way Costco and stopped in since long time lurker first time visit. Girl was ok but almost feel this place was legit. Not sure but didn't stay.
[QUOTE=Sscdrake;6723666]Spent an hour here with someone who called herself Nana, was on the younger side (who knows what her real age was, looked early thirties to me), c cup but plump rear. The massage was passable, not great but at least she put effort into it instead of rubbing a circle in the same spot for 30 min which really annoys me. I was able to get CBJ and started with CFS, but then went on to BB her, she seemed okay with it but for more money which I did not offer, she let me do it in an attempt to get me to hurry up.
That is also the reason I probably wouldn't ever repeat with her. I'm a bit above average in size and for a long time actually thought I was small until I learned if and was surprised by the actual statistics, but I'm not packing 9 inch BBC, yet too many of these AMP asian ladies act as if I'm using a toyota to ram a tree trunk into them. She eventually wanted to stop and finish with standard HJ, but still wanted $$. Uh, hell no.
After some negotiating she said she was sorry and would let me BBCIP if I was quick if I still gave her $$, and seemed overall open to it (though for more than I was willing to give her, YMMV).
Overall, I had a pretty good time as far as AMPs go, but it was far from my best experience and though I ultimately had fun I wouldn't ever repeat with Nana again. I really hate being rushed like that and if you're just going to whine the entire time, it not only makes me uncomfortable but also makes me wonder why you offer it in the first place, and the only realistic answers are not flattering.
[/QUOTE]I think they're using the same names for whoever is working there, because I was just there and "Nana" wasn't in her 30's by a decade and lost the booty (alright looking, though). Still took BBFSCIP for $$, didn't whine or rush, so a better deal than you seem to have.
[QUOTE=Wagnerb;6724306]I think they're using the same names for whoever is working there, because I was just there and "Nana" wasn't in her 30's by a decade and lost the booty (alright looking, though). Still took BBFSCIP for $$, didn't whine or rush, so a better deal than you seem to have.[/QUOTE]I've noticed if I enter a shop and say "I'm looking for coco", the lady will say "I'm coco". Instead, I ask them what their name is. Better results that way.