[QUOTE=BigHardOne]Where exactly do you get YOUR facts? Every link I have researched clearly shows you CAN get HIV through oral sex;
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.avert.org/can-you-get-hiv-aids.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.aids.org/info/hiv-from-oral-sex.html[/url]
[url]http://www.hiv.va.gov/vahiv?page=ptfaq-2006-02-27[/url]
[url]http://aids.about.com/cs/safesex/a/oralsex.htm[/url]
Why must I post the sources? A simple google search gives all of the same results. Are you going to refute these links? If you aren't satisfied with these, google it. Their are thousands of links. Then again, maybe you don't consider HIV life threatening. If that is the case, then we are just on two different pages. Sorry, I consider HIV life threatening.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you tried to freak someone out by telling him he had to go to a doctor because there's a good chance he just contracted HIV.
Yes, I can google myself, and I get stuff like this:
[QUOTE]There are a few known cases of people getting HIV from giving oral sex (licking or sucking). There are no known cases of someone getting HIV from receiving oral sex (being licked or sucked).[/QUOTE] [url]http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-08[/url]
[QUOTE]You cannot get HIV from contact with saliva alone, so insertive oral sex (that is a man receiving oral sex) is safe. The only way insertive oral sex could present some risk is if your sex partner had sufficient amounts of blood in her mouth (from recent dental work or other dental problems for example) and your penis came into direct contact with blood. But you’d hopefully notice if your partner had blood in her mouth.
You can get other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) from insertive oral sex. The more common ones include gonorrhea, chlamydia, and non-gonococcal urethritis (NGU). These usually can be treated easily with antibiotics. You may also get syphilis (which usually can be treated easily with antibiotics (if identified early enough) and herpes (which can’t be cured but can be treated).[/QUOTE][url]http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-06-03-16[/url]
And that's what I already knew. Notice I provided quotes, unlike you who thought I'd bow down to a long list of URLs.
There aren't any documented cases of anyone getting HIV from a blow job. In theory, it can happen if someone has blood in their mouth, for example making contact with a scratch on your penis. Well, I'm not letting someone do anything if there is blood. Furthermore, it would probably have to be a lot of blood (like, someone who had just had their face beaten up), thus easily noticed...for the same reason as why people aren't getting HIV from kissing.
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Now, I'll radomly click on a few of your links to get a sampling of what you googled (I'll obviously skip the CDC, because that's the government).
From your links....
[QUOTE]There is considerable debate within the HIV/AIDS prevention community regarding the risk of transmission of HIV through oral sex. What is currently known is that there is some risk associated with performing oral sex without protection; (there have been a few documented cases of HIV transmission through oral sex). While no one knows exactly what that risk is, cumulative evidence indicates that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex. The risk from receiving oral sex, for both a man and a woman, is considered to be very low.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.aids.org/info/hiv-from-oral-sex.html[/url]
Notice they say there are a few documented cases of people getting HIV from giving blow jobs, but they don't say that about receiving blow jobs. That's because, after decades of HIV being out there in the world, there aren't any documented cases.
(BTW, the debate they refer to is, IMO, because there are a lot of people who want the public to think all sex outside of marriage is life-threateningly dangerous, as a political agenda. That's why I wouldn't even bother clicking on the CDC web site -- which is heavily influenced by politics.)
Another of your links: [QUOTE]The risk of getting HIV through receiving oral sex is very, very low. We can't say that there's zero risk, because there are a few cases of HIV infection in people who have no other known risk factors for HIV.[/QUOTE]
They cannot say there's a zero risk (in theory, it could happen), so they stop one step short of that just to be on the safe side.
No reference to any documented cases. Though they aren't sure how people got HIV in some cases, so it can't be 100% ruled out. Guess what? Not everyone likes to admit what high risk behaviors they engaged in.
Cont.: [QUOTE]Also, we can imagine a scenario where an HIV-positive person's mouth is bleeding when he or she is giving oral sex. This could increase the risk of infecting the partner. But, in general, transmitting HIV to someone receiving oral sex is probably a very rare occurrence.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.hiv.va.gov/vahiv?page=ptfaq-2006-02-27[/url]
Again, they don't cite any documented cases. Instead, they can "imagine" "very rare" "scenerios" where it's conceivable HIV can be contracted from receiving a blow-job, if there's blood in the mouth of the person giving head.
Another of your links:
[QUOTE]Risk is classified as either being documented (transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature) or theoretical (passing an infection from one person to another is possible).... Another factor that makes risk determination difficult is the fact that most people who engage in oral sex also engage in other types of sexual practices, namely vaginal and anal intercourse. Still, there have been document cases of HIV transmission strictly from oral sex.
Theoretical Risk: With fellatio, there is a theoretical risk of transmission for the receptive partner because infected pre-ejaculate ("pre-cum") fluid or semen can get into the mouth. For the insertive partner there is a theoretical risk of infection because infected blood from a partner's bleeding gums or an open sore could come in contact with a scratch, cut, or sore on the penis.
Documented Risk: Although the risk is many times less than anal or vaginal sex, HIV has been transmitted to receptive partners through fellatio, even in cases when insertive partners didn't ejaculate.[/QUOTE][url]http://aids.about.com/cs/safesex/a/oralsex.htm[/url]
Notice how the risk for insertive partners (that is, the one with the penis getting sucked) is only theoretical and not documented. Notice again that the theoretcal risk is in a scenerio involving blood in the mouth.
I don't know, maybe you misread your link and thought the "receptive partner" was the one receiving the BJ, when actually that's the "insertive partner". Try and read your links more carefully next time. They refer to documented cases of the BJ giver getting HIV, but none for the BJ receiver.
In short, if the commenter who you advised to run to the doctor in fear that he's just gotten HIV actually got HIV from that SW, and it could be verified he got it from the BJ, he would make it into the medical journals as one of the rarest freak cases in HIV history. I won't hold my breath.
