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[QUOTE=Seeker963;2457854]Isn't there a customary "cop check" that both the provider and john do to make sure neither is LE?
Not sure if it holds up in court, but I believe it is something like that with the provider exposing herself and the John copping a feel.[/QUOTE]I'm no lawyer, but I can see where that customary LE check could lead to sexual assault charges, if the woman goes first.
[QUOTE=Punanilicr;2457955]I'm no lawyer, but I can see where that customary LE check could lead to sexual assault charges, if the woman goes first.[/QUOTE]True. How about a combo? The man initiates sexual contact by touching first to neutralize the harassment threat, then the girl proceeds with the normal rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution charge threat.
Etiquette for newbies would be something like:
1. Zero discussion of services or money at the beginning.
2. The man must disrobe completely first--birthday suit. Any hesitation and the mamasan will ask him to leave.
3. The man must initiate contact in an overtly sexual way to neutralize the harassment threat. Kissing, gropping, etc.
4. The provider then completes a rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution threat.
And for the love of god, always locked main entry and then locked rooms to give two layers of protection against a raid barging in unannounced.
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I wish all mamas and remaining girls well as they weather the storm.
[QUOTE=LonelySmiles;2457969]True. How about a combo? The man initiates sexual contact by touching first to neutralize the harassment threat, then the girl proceeds with the normal rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution charge threat.
Etiquette for newbies would be something like:
1. Zero discussion of services or money at the beginning.
2. The man must disrobe completely first--birthday suit. Any hesitation and the mamasan will ask him to leave.
3. The man must initiate contact in an overtly sexual way to neutralize the harassment threat. Kissing, gropping, etc.
4. The provider then completes a rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution threat.
And for the love of god, always locked main entry and then locked rooms to give two layers of protection against a raid barging in unannounced.
If Admin thinks posting something like this is potentially harmful, please delete.[/QUOTE]My girl just says hello and sits next to the customer. No touching of any kind. She waits for him to make the first moves that has to included touching sex areas otherwise it's strictly massage. That way no sexual harassment charges and I think technically she could file charges against the customer for groping.
[QUOTE=LonelySmiles;2457969]True. How about a combo? The man initiates sexual contact by touching first to neutralize the harassment threat, then the girl proceeds with the normal rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution charge threat.
Etiquette for newbies would be something like:
1. Zero discussion of services or money at the beginning.
2. The man must disrobe completely first--birthday suit. Any hesitation and the mamasan will ask him to leave.
3. The man must initiate contact in an overtly sexual way to neutralize the harassment threat. Kissing, gropping, etc.
4. The provider then completes a rapid insertion LE check to neutralize the prostitution threat.
And for the love of god, always locked main entry and then locked rooms to give two layers of protection against a raid barging in unannounced.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good plan. To be extra cautious, perhaps one more step should be added: the woman specifically requesting and requiring the man's spoken verbal consent for the woman to take off her clothing and to have sexual activity with him. That would seem to produce an even more effective defense to any police allegation of sexual assault. Plus, because police officers are often shameless liars, it might be beneficial for the woman to openly audio record that part of the verbal interaction. Better than being arrested.
[QUOTE=Chik0848;2457700]There's a short blurb in the Star Advertiser. They mentioned charges against the women, but did not mention any location specifically. Instead of charging them with prostitution a petty misdemeanor, they were charged with sexual assault which is a misdemeanor punishable up to one year in jail.[/QUOTE]This was the lead story tonight on KHON at 6 pm. Yes, sexual assault (4th degree / exposing) are the charges. They asked Peter Carlisle, who said it will be tough to prove.
They named Young, Keeaumoku, Atkinson, S. King streets as being the parlors raided.
Not a coincidence that another story was about Prosecutor Kaneshiro being sued in a civil lawsuit by the gambling machine owners. Connect the dots. Trying to save face.
They'll probably rebroadcast at 10 pm.
[QUOTE=BulgogiBoy;2458103]This was the lead story tonight on KHON at 6 pm. Yes, sexual assault (4th degree / exposing) are the charges. They asked Peter Carlisle, who said it will be tough to prove.
They named Young, Keeaumoku, Atkinson, S. King streets as being the parlors raided.
Not a coincidence that another story was about Prosecutor Kaneshiro being sued in a civil lawsuit by the gambling machine owners. Connect the dots. Trying to save face.
They'll probably rebroadcast at 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Channel 4 news featured hana on Kalakaua and Kison by Beretania times said 4 were arrested at Kison. Don't remember how many were arrested at Hana.
[QUOTE=BulgogiBoy;2458103]This was the lead story tonight on KHON at 6 pm. Yes, sexual assault (4th degree / exposing) are the charges. They asked Peter Carlisle, who said it will be tough to prove.
They named Young, Keeaumoku, Atkinson, S. King streets as being the parlors raided.
Not a coincidence that another story was about Prosecutor Kaneshiro being sued in a civil lawsuit by the gambling machine owners. Connect the dots. Trying to save face.
They'll probably rebroadcast at 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.
Could all the raids come from, think I heard Crack down on sex trafficking?
[QUOTE=BulgogiBoy;2458103]This was the lead story tonight on KHON at 6 pm. Yes, sexual assault (4th degree / exposing) are the charges. They asked Peter Carlisle, who said it will be tough to prove.
They named Young, Keeaumoku, Atkinson, S. King streets as being the parlors raided.
Not a coincidence that another story was about Prosecutor Kaneshiro being sued in a civil lawsuit by the gambling machine owners. Connect the dots. Trying to save face.
They'll probably rebroadcast at 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Sh*t, it might make sense to lay low and be cool for a while. Be safe and be careful bros. Peace.
[QUOTE=BulgogiBoy;2458103]This was the lead story tonight on KHON at 6 pm. Yes, sexual assault (4th degree / exposing) are the charges. They asked Peter Carlisle, who said it will be tough to prove.
They named Young, Keeaumoku, Atkinson, S. King streets as being the parlors raided.
Not a coincidence that another story was about Prosecutor Kaneshiro being sued in a civil lawsuit by the gambling machine owners. Connect the dots. Trying to save face.
They'll probably rebroadcast at 10 pm.[/QUOTE]So which ones would those be? Hula's, Roses or Nirvanna, China Doll Spa or Plus Spa, one of those AMPs near Top Spa, any other guesses? Maybe VIP or Yokohama Spa?
[QUOTE=Spartacus77;2458160]So which ones would those be? Hula's, Roses or Nirvanna, China Doll Spa or Plus Spa, one of those AMPs near Top Spa, any other guesses? Maybe VIP or Yokohama Spa?[/QUOTE]Sorry buddy but no one going to post which ones got hit out of respect for the mama's. Bad for business. You got some right. Best to ask one of your girls.
[QUOTE=Spartacus77;2458160]So which ones would those be? Hula's, Roses or Nirvanna, China Doll Spa or Plus Spa, one of those AMPs near Top Spa, any other guesses? Maybe VIP or Yokohama Spa?[/QUOTE]I heard that Hula, Nirvana, Rose, Kison, VIP, CDS and Top got hit. If it's true or not, but that's what I heard from one of the mamas. More could of been hit.
[QUOTE=Spartacus77;2458160]So which ones would those be? Hula's, Roses or Nirvanna, China Doll Spa or Plus Spa, one of those AMPs near Top Spa, any other guesses? Maybe VIP or Yokohama Spa?[/QUOTE]Five places were already named on the various threads. You just need to go back a few days and read. Aside from those already mentioned, there were three on Keeaumoku, one in AY Wong building, one on Ena, and a couple of smaller ones. Out of these dozen or so places, at least three were hit multiple times within the three day span. This came from two different sources but the information was the same. Take it for what it's worth and draw your own conclusions.
[QUOTE=Spartacus77;2458160]So which ones would those be? Hula's, Roses or Nirvanna, China Doll Spa or Plus Spa, one of those AMPs near Top Spa, any other guesses? Maybe VIP or Yokohama Spa?[/QUOTE][URL]http://khon2.com/2015/05/04/honolulu-police-arrest-16-women-in-massage-parlor-crackdown/[/URL]