The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=DionysusVice;5833315]Tldrl if too busy, read the last paragraph.

I had a date, the went well by most metrics. The expected reimbursement was paid (more than 24 hours later); vigorously testing the hardwood floor of my office. Because, of the design of it, a comfortable sleeping suite, is transformed within. So, multiple smiles were had, at least by one truly. Though, within hours of good-byes and reimbursement, with the hollow "thank you's" I am told that -.

More is needed for another date. Informed my personality and magnetism were the only reasons she "overlooked" taking less (that she never specified) to enjoy the moment with me. Going forward, it would be more.

This is Bullshit.

I will not beat around the Bush with you guys. I have a beautiful wife (maybe the hate for me working so much at my company is motivation.) . Luckily, she (for the most part) is up for the naughty adventures. - A mix of issues and attitude make it less intimate than most would want. I bring this up to ask.

If there is a woman at home that holds her beauty in mind or body. Why are we allowing such blackmail?.[/QUOTE]For one thing you are dealing with a generation of inflated self worth, beyond that these girls fuck for money so they may seem personable at the time you are with them but it's Always about getting more. It's always your choice whether you want to pay them or not but if they think they can get more out of you than they will go for it.

Getting married in a scam and modern women are being brain washed and weaponized against men by the elites of the west.

[QUOTE=DionysusVice;5833315]Tldrl if too busy, read the last paragraph.

I had a date, the went well by most metrics. The expected reimbursement was paid (more than 24 hours later); vigorously testing the hardwood floor of my office. Because, of the design of it, a comfortable sleeping suite, is transformed within. So, multiple smiles were had, at least by one truly. Though, within hours of good-byes and reimbursement, with the hollow "thank you's" I am told that -.

More is needed for another date. Informed my personality and magnetism were the only reasons she "overlooked" taking less (that she never specified) to enjoy the moment with me. Going forward, it would be more.

This is Bullshit.

I will not beat around the Bush with you guys. I have a beautiful wife (maybe the hate for me working so much at my company is motivation.) . Luckily, she (for the most part) is up for the naughty adventures. - A mix of issues and attitude make it less intimate than most would want. I bring this up to ask.

If there is a woman at home that holds her beauty in mind or body. Why are we allowing such blackmail?

In this forum, we are not the lower level predictable vases. (We are men, we are predictable.).

Last paragraph:

Why is this allowed?

As a singular body of consciousness (I am not touching the sex issue) . This forum section has many men I am sure we could become friends in real life. Hell, we might be able to advance each other as well. Why allow women that do not understand how you reached your status, your situation rule your situation with equal weight?

In desperate moments why do you cave?

If you guys do not want this public, please just DM me. I want to know.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I followed your entire post, but the answer is. Don't cave. The power dynamic is in our favor (unless you enjoy findom, which is fine). Just move on to somebody who you align with better.

That's in the case I interpreted from your post (sort of upselling next date). In the case of actual blackmail, that is a lot tougher.

To stay a bit on topic, I haven't dived back in, but a friendly face from a couple years ago-ish looks to be back on SB.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/7a713053401a432e[/URL]

[QUOTE=DionysusVice;5833315]Tldrl if too busy, read the last paragraph.

I had a date, the went well by most metrics. The expected reimbursement was paid (more than 24 hours later); vigorously testing the hardwood floor of my office. Because, of the design of it, a comfortable sleeping suite, is transformed within. So, multiple smiles were had, at least by one truly. Though, within hours of good-byes and reimbursement, with the hollow "thank you's" I am told that -.

More is needed for another date. Informed my personality and magnetism were the only reasons she "overlooked" taking less (that she never specified) to enjoy the moment with me. Going forward, it would be more.

This is Bullshit.

I will not beat around the Bush with you guys. I have a beautiful wife (maybe the hate for me working so much at my company is motivation.) . Luckily, she (for the most part) is up for the naughty adventures. - A mix of issues and attitude make it less intimate than most would want. I bring this up to ask.

If there is a woman at home that holds her beauty in mind or body. Why are we allowing such blackmail?

In this forum, we are not the lower level predictable vases. (We are men, we are predictable.).

Last paragraph:

Why is this allowed?

As a singular body of consciousness (I am not touching the sex issue) . This forum section has many men I am sure we could become friends in real life. Hell, we might be able to advance each other as well. Why allow women that do not understand how you reached your status, your situation rule your situation with equal weight?

In desperate moments why do you cave?

If you guys do not want this public, please just DM me. I want to know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pubb69;5833815]For one thing you are dealing with a generation of inflated self worth, beyond that these girls fuck for money so they may seem personable at the time you are with them but it's Always about getting more. It's always your choice whether you want to pay them or not but if they think they can get more out of you than they will go for it.[/QUOTE]As I even form these thoughts in my head I feel myself sounding like a skeptical old man. The simple fact is the sugarbowl is now being filled with young ladies from the entitled generation of participation trophies and social media influencer dreams. Pretty girls with a couple cute beach pics or videos on their Instagrams or tiktoks are getting gifted with clothes, makeup, swag, and sometimes even $ by brands and companies just to plug their products to a relatively small audience. It's no wonder these girls feel that they deserve lucrative paydays just for existing. I miss the days when sugar dating was actually a fun way to make connections and actually add mutual value on each side. But just like every other business model today, there's a paradigm shift where the relationship doesn't matter beyond the moment. And never more than the bottom line.

[QUOTE=Donatello;5834372]As I even form these thoughts in my head I feel myself sounding like a skeptical old man. The simple fact is the sugarbowl is now being filled with young ladies from the entitled generation of participation trophies and social media influencer dreams. Pretty girls with a couple cute beach pics or videos on their Instagrams or tiktoks are getting gifted with clothes, makeup, swag, and sometimes even $ by brands and companies just to plug their products to a relatively small audience. It's no wonder these girls feel that they deserve lucrative paydays just for existing. I miss the days when sugar dating was actually a fun way to make connections and actually add mutual value on each side. But just like every other business model today, there's a paradigm shift where the relationship doesn't matter beyond the moment. And never more than the bottom line.[/QUOTE]100% honesty here. My close rate after connecting with a girl on SA or WYP via text was 50% want to meet, and 50% of those girls were up for a reasonable arrangement. That's a 25% close rate. About 4 years ago.

Now? I think all of them are self-important retards with absurd expectations and too many ways to get easy money (Only F a and s, beta sugar dads, etc). I'm out for awhile and just working good AMPs and a few strippers in different states that are more reasonable. Fuck it.

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5834469]100% honesty here. My close rate after connecting with a girl on SA or WYP via text was 50% want to meet, and 50% of those girls were up for a reasonable arrangement. That's a 25% close rate. About 4 years ago.

Now? I think all of them are self-important retards with absurd expectations and too many ways to get easy money (Only F a and s, beta sugar dads, etc). I'm out for awhile and just working good AMPs and a few strippers in different states that are more reasonable. Fuck it.[/QUOTE]First I want to thank everyone for the responses. It was a domino effect that had me rant a bit. I know why I do this, but. The juice is becoming less worth the squeeze.

Also, please enlighten me how to work a stripper into a SB. I'm tired of SA and etc. And, just like most other guys, sounds like a venture worth exploring. As I have never had the luxury. I k ow to not meet them I. The strip club. (for closing that night) but. Where do they pop up outside that arena? Haha.

[QUOTE=DionysusVice;5834914]First I want to thank everyone for the responses. It was a domino effect that had me rant a bit. I know why I do this, but. The juice is becoming less worth the squeeze.

Also, please enlighten me how to work a stripper into a SB. I'm tired of SA and etc. And, just like most other guys, sounds like a venture worth exploring. As I have never had the luxury. I k ow to not meet them I. The strip club. (for closing that night) but. Where do they pop up outside that arena? Haha.[/QUOTE]Strippers are like vampires so hard to find them out in the day, and if they work the day shift you will never see them in the wild. If you do try to close meeting a stripper where she works, try not to be a frequent customer of dances and just someone she likes seeing and you have to be generous ($20 for no reason while you talk etc) That being said, if she's only a tease at the club (no mileage) then you are getting zero mileage when out of the club. When she mentions it's her birthday or has a need, you jump on it with "let's go shopping together" and if she bites then you know she's a possible girl for outside the club fun. Hope that helps.

Her profile is down but the pics looks familiar I know she is a pro anyone know who she is.

This isn't meant to knock anyone's hustle, just a report from my end. I met a cute college dropout on SA who I saw frequently for 2 $ per date. Some of her SB friends convinced her to become a dancer because 'it was easier'. We met for coffee a few times after that and she told me that her ask had risen to 8 $ because she could make 2 $ in 45 minutes by just grinding on old guys and she essentially 'didn't have to do anything'. I scoffed at the new figure, and she immediately said, 'we can discuss it', but I didn't budge. I can definitely vouch that she hasn't needed to have a traditional job for the past couple of years. I realize that there are plenty of guys here that have enough game to score dates with dancers, however for every 1 of them, there are 9 who will gladly hand over their money simply to have someone blow in their ear and get a rager. Once a woman gets over the potential stigma of her social circle knowing she's a dancer, she can absolutely make more doing that. Part of the allure of being an SB is plausible deniability, complete privacy when you meet with the right people, plus additional perks. Once someone is beyond that point. Being an SB loses a lot of its attraction.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5835708]Strippers are like vampires so hard to find them out in the day, and if they work the day shift you will never see them in the wild. If you do try to close meeting a stripper where she works, try not to be a frequent customer of dances and just someone she likes seeing and you have to be generous ($20 for no reason while you talk etc) That being said, if she's only a tease at the club (no mileage) then you are getting zero mileage when out of the club. When she mentions it's her birthday or has a need, you jump on it with "let's go shopping together" and if she bites then you know she's a possible girl for outside the club fun. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5838562]This isn't meant to knock anyone's hustle, just a report from my end. I met a cute college dropout on SA who I saw frequently for 2 $ per date. Some of her SB friends convinced her to become a dancer because 'it was easier'. We met for coffee a few times after that and she told me that her ask had risen to 8 $ because she could make 2 $ in 45 minutes by just grinding on old guys and she essentially 'didn't have to do anything'. I scoffed at the new figure, and she immediately said, 'we can discuss it', but I didn't budge. I can definitely vouch that she hasn't needed to have a traditional job for the past couple of years. I realize that there are plenty of guys here that have enough game to score dates with dancers, however for every 1 of them, there are 9 who will gladly hand over their money simply to have someone blow in their ear and get a rager. Once a woman gets over the potential stigma of her social circle knowing she's a dancer, she can absolutely make more doing that. Part of the allure of being an SB is plausible deniability, complete privacy when you meet with the right people, plus additional perks. Once someone is beyond that point. Being an SB loses a lot of its attraction..[/QUOTE]Comes at a cost. Once they go down that road they are introduced to the world of pimps and narcotics, most build up such resentment towards men that they end up being lesbians. From my experience strippers are the worst of all in the adult entertainment industry.

[QUOTE=ElectricHug;5814084]I just got banned from SA for "soliciting" (conveniently a few days after they charged me for 3-month renewal). I do not discuss compensation even in texts, much less the site itself. I wrote their contact us page to ask what happened and they responded with a boilerplate email without any details, just that they have "obtained and verified information" and that they won't respond any further.

Anyone deal with this successfully? I saw a previous post that the admin told them to read the TOS and they got their account reinstated, but I was not given any option like that. I have half a mind to refuse charges on the recent renewal, but not sure if I want to burn that bridge.[/QUOTE]-Create a new account using a different device (if cell, then use a new profile).

-Do not use a VPN or any location spoofing.

-Upload totally new pics. Ideally you mask your face in case you need to repeat these steps, etc.

-Use a different payment method. I suggest using google pay, so that you can refund in case SA decides to ban you, or request your I'd, etc. In the future. Services were not fully rendered; hence the grounds for a refund.

[QUOTE=ChiefQueef;5838855]-Create a new account using a different device (if cell, then use a new profile).

-Do not use a VPN or any location spoofing.

-Upload totally new pics. Ideally you mask your face in case you need to repeat these steps, etc.

-Use a different payment method. I suggest using google pay, so that you can refund in case SA decides to ban you, or request your I'd, etc. In the future. Services were not fully rendered; hence the grounds for a refund.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Has anyone here done a chargeback? Did SA follow through on their threat to send to collections? Any idea if they are more vigilant about banning your subsequent new accounts after that?

Social media and inflation are killing this sport.

There are big geopolitical moves being made atm, I would actually suggest you guys just pay up now because in a few months or a year all of this shit is going to come to an end with hyperinflation.

[QUOTE=Sobe69;5838465]Her profile is down but the pics looks familiar I know she is a pro anyone know who she is.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ec728972-5b40-4d11-bfd6-792dc4ac8837[/URL]

[QUOTE=LolBoat;5825303]She's legit.

Did you ever meet her?[/QUOTE]We went to dinner, but that was all. The pics weren't really very accurate. I told her I'd get back in touch, but I don't think I will. She wants a minimum of 400. I'll fish around for something tighter.