"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

That's pretty much my stance. I'm fine going FC with the SA girls I've hooked up with (that are true low mileage SA girls). I've never caught anything mongering:

6 girls Bareback.

4 girls covered (2 were true SA girls who were just not on BC, 2 were probably Pro's when I was new to SA).

I have HSV-1. You know how I got it? My wife gave it to me. She had it as a kid. Talk about irony, LOL!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4044931]This is not a comment regarding safe sex, which is forbidden on this thread. It can only be discussed on a thread dedicated to that. Since you say you are using a condom. However, I'd view your assessment of HSV2 as highly optimistic. If you have it, you can transmit it at any time, male or female. I personally could not in good conscience have any significant sexual contact w / someone clean if I had something transmissible in this way. There are around 1/6 of the US population who are seropositive for HSV2. That is the reason there are specialized dating sites, etc. For those who are positive.

I urge everyone to look up the statistics, from your hometown CDC, as to the demographic distribution of those positives. It will strongly affect who you take to the FC.

I told a POT once that I was + for HSV1, like 70% of the US population, and asymptomatic. It freaked her out and, despite very positive indications beforehand, she ran for the hills and got nasty about it. That one I now feel free to keep to myself, as its consequence is nothing like HSV2.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, I can't agree with you on this. Maybe if you landed a SA girl that was UTR and you gave her something, sure I could see them going after you, but even most of the normal (true SA girls). They got a small stable of guys. I'm not talking the pros on SA, but the real demographic of the true SA girl. Hot, tight body college girl. They are totally fucking a few dudes. I'm sure at least 1-2 a week on the low end. No way they are going after you in particular. They will have way too high of a bone count to think they can even attempt to go after you.

It's all conjecture, but I wouldn't feel threatened. I've had one UTR that I knew I was the only guy. Just based on our conversations, and her general religious leaning / etc.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4045114]If she contracts an STD, and she is looking to settle the score, her and her attorney are going to start by shaking down the dude with the deepest pockets. I suspect they would start with the monger (45-65 y / o dude with 401 k, etc) It would be up to your attorney to identify everyone else she slept with (impossible) and subpoena their records, or have court order their testing to create some doubt as to the source. I can't imagine how convoluted and expensive this process would be relative to disclosing or narrowing your search to HSV positive people. They make websites for that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NGASugarMan;4045335]I dunno, I can't agree with you on this. Maybe if you landed a SA girl that was UTR and you gave her something, sure I could see them going after you, but even most of the normal (true SA girls). They got a small stable of guys. I'm not talking the pros on SA, but the real demographic of the true SA girl. Hot, tight body college girl. They are totally fucking a few dudes. I'm sure at least 1-2 a week on the low end. No way they are going after you in particular. They will have way too high of a bone count to think they can even attempt to go after you.

It's all conjecture, but I wouldn't feel threatened. I've had one UTR that I knew I was the only guy. Just based on our conversations, and her general religious leaning / etc.[/QUOTE]Some missing connections here. Are you divulging your true identity to your SB? First big mistake. You have to have a sugar alter ego that you give girls, so she can never find you if you want to evaporate. There are too many crazy people in the world, and crazy girls on these websites. This is extensively covered in the FAQ archive for sugar on the Richmond VA thread.

[QUOTE=FalconWing;4045308]She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6f7ad0e8-86b4-4eb8-8304-1365e4fc7e34[/URL]

She's been discussed here as well. Quoted 400 ppm for 1-2 hrs. 100% semi pro / pro vibe.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/eb1b2a7d-0c26-4d95-b292-4d4ed6ac15ca[/URL]

She seems to just want to chat. Not committing to a meet up. Wasted time.

From the two days in the bowl all I can say right now is this is a damn full time job trying to weed out scammers and pros. I did expect this from reading you guys comments here but didn't think it was this bad. DM me if any one has info on these ladies.[/QUOTE]Welcome Falcon, thanks for sharing. As a quick tip, please put the ladies screen name in the post, it allows us to search on them later.

Mutualfun2018 is legit. I've never met her, but several guys on here have. She can host for $300, and reviews have been favorable. She is probably more Semi-Pro the a SB. She is on my "ToDo" list.

As for what to pay, that is totally up to you. Most of the average budget guys like myself start off offering around $200 for a meet. If the girl is really hot, and can host, I might go $300. You will find out over time that there are a ton of girls that can be had for $200 a meet. And a meet should be a few hours. If they quote by the hour, they are a most likely a pro. It does take a lot of work, like you are finding out, but in the end it is well worth it.

I will not pay for a meet and greet. Just like I wouldn't pay a job applicant for an interview.

[QUOTE=FalconWing;4045308].

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f2881072-98cc-4edf-8703-2b182aa34809[/URL]

She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Petruchio;4045717]I will not pay for a meet and greet. Just like I wouldn't pay a job applicant for an interview.[/QUOTE]Those pics are at least 5 years old, met her 1 time and couldn't get rid of her for 2 months. She is much larger than any of those pics.

I sent a basic message along the lines of "I want to know more", and got the following:

"we should go out for dinner and then if you would like intimacy we could discuss that.

Its only 150 if we just go out, but intimacy is 350.

We can have a good time, I don't like to discuss the money while we are enjoying time together so I do it upfront. ".

She's cute, but I don't have enough interest or patience to negotiate that down, especially considering what she wants just for the meet and greet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1bf9872e-a578-46ab-8a91-589bf74c83eb[/URL]

Literally told me and reminded me all day she was ready to see me. When the moment of truth came told me her stomach was hurting. May have scared her to make up that excuse, she sent her location and I got there in 10 minutes instead of 20 I can't help I have a super fast car. Anyway such a waste of time total 2 hrs.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/09e98adc-2d31-4eab-aeaa-61d309561b73[/URL]

Started swimming in SA, Buoy there are too many Pro's out there compared to last year (Probably due to shutdown of TER & BP). Anyways, I noticed couple of profiles who readily shares their number and started to send there nudes once I start texting. Is it a red flag or a sign of a Pro?

This one started to send her nudes just after 2 welcome texts.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1bc33f07-bc52-4d77-a56a-2dfc38270b6d[/URL]

[QUOTE=FalconWing;4045308]Long time lurker here. Finally decided to step in and try this gig out. Going on the 3rd day and damn this is a full time job keeping up with scammers and pros! Wanted to see if anyone know intel on these babies that I'm chatting with.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/fde4a8ea-0244-4870-82e6-95f86f2d8004[/URL]

Seems genuine but too far for me. She said she could come to the city to meet up. Waiting on figuring out a day / time. Have not talked about expectations yet. She did share a private pic which is a lot different than her profile pic, unfortunately to the worse.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8f034bcc-14ef-4f46-bf49-106f25de4285[/URL]

Chatted a bit and seems cool. When asked when we can meet up she said "Come" single word. Don't know what to think of that other than a 1000 red flags.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f2881072-98cc-4edf-8703-2b182aa34809[/URL]

She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6f7ad0e8-86b4-4eb8-8304-1365e4fc7e34[/URL]

She's been discussed here as well. Quoted 400 ppm for 1-2 hrs. 100% semi pro / pro vibe.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/eb1b2a7d-0c26-4d95-b292-4d4ed6ac15ca[/URL]

She seems to just want to chat. Not committing to a meet up. Wasted time.

From the two days in the bowl all I can say right now is this is a damn full time job trying to weed out scammers and pros. I did expect this from reading you guys comments here but didn't think it was this bad. DM me if any one has info on these ladies.[/QUOTE]I don't have any direct experience with any of these girls except that #4 has HMU a couple times and never responded. You are correct a full time SB for sure.

Seems like your intuition is pretty good.

The first two look like the best plays if you want good sex and experience and don't want to break the bank. Especially #2 if she is your type, she probably gets little exposure and interest since she has Grayson as her location and she works so probably wants some good strokin and the cash is a plus.

Lot of these girls are wise to the search and put ATL or a North Burb as their location to attract the most guys doing searches even though they might be way the hell out in Conyers or something.

I avoid the ones who mention spoiled or princess, pampered etc and never mention what they are bringing to the table. Try to stick to the ones with shorter profiles and mention they are looking for fun.

Don't just respond to the ones who favor you or message you. Set your search filters to what you want and message 5-10 of them. And then work your game from there.

[QUOTE=FalconWing;4045308]

Seems genuine but too far for me. She said she could come to the city to meet up. Waiting on figuring out a day / time. Have not talked about expectations yet. She did share a private pic which is a lot different than her profile pic, unfortunately to the worse.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8f034bcc-14ef-4f46-bf49-106f25de4285[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Posted my experience with Kenzie months ago. YMMV but my suggestion is that you proceed with caution. All the signs of a potential scammer. Here it is for reference.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=3782716&viewfull=1#post3782716[/URL]

[QUOTE=Petruchio;4045717]I will not pay for a meet and greet. Just like I wouldn't pay a job applicant for an interview.[/QUOTE]Dude,

I had a threesome with her and her friend for 2 each. There was no meet and greet they came over and we fucked. All bb.

[QUOTE=VictorAtl91;4046297]Started swimming in SA, Buoy there are too many Pro's out there compared to last year (Probably due to shutdown of TER & BP). Anyways, I noticed couple of profiles who readily shares their number and started to send there nudes once I start texting. Is it a red flag or a sign of a Pro?

This one started to send her nudes just after 2 welcome texts.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1bc33f07-bc52-4d77-a56a-2dfc38270b6d[/URL][/QUOTE]She is real I actually meet up no much connection there then she text me for an arrangement quote me 500 P4P I ghost her. She has a good body but I can get better with way less than that.

Any info on this. Agreed to 2.5. Not sure if she is a pro?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35229295-2289-4a06-a18f-d371fe3eaa6d[/URL]

I've seen her more times than I recall and done with her now. Her name is Courtney, 29, and lives on Howell Mill Road. Her photos are a little dated. She's about 10 pounds heavier around the waist. She moved to ATL two years ago from North Augusta where she still has home with her husband, a disabled veteran, and son around 8 years old. Not a student as she claims. Became a pro when she moved to ATL and ever since. Claims she has a job cleaning houses but that's doubtful. She supports herself selling her pussy. No screening to speak up. Generally asks for $400-500 but usually meet for $250-300. For that you get an average BBBJ and CFS. BBFS if you negotiate. She's gorgeous with great tits. Doesn't like to kiss or foreplay. No anal. Normally only wants missionary and just lays there. She's tight though due to Cesarean birth of her son. I have contact info for anyone interested. And don't believe a word she says!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6f7ad0e8-86b4-4eb8-8304-1365e4fc7e34[/URL]

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;4045635]Welcome Falcon, thanks for sharing. As a quick tip, please put the ladies screen name in the post, it allows us to search on them later.

Mutualfun2018 is legit. I've never met her, but several guys on here have. She can host for $300, and reviews have been favorable. She is probably more Semi-Pro the a SB. She is on my "ToDo" list.

As for what to pay, that is totally up to you. Most of the average budget guys like myself start off offering around $200 for a meet. If the girl is really hot, and can host, I might go $300. You will find out over time that there are a ton of girls that can be had for $200 a meet. And a meet should be a few hours. If they quote by the hour, they are a most likely a pro. It does take a lot of work, like you are finding out, but in the end it is well worth it.[/QUOTE]