Massage Parlor Reports

Good evening gents. I'm newer to the area, just moved up from southern va. I've been here for a couple months, and visited some places on the VA side where I live, but recently wanted to sample the MD side. Here's what I've got:

Stopped at Golden twice. The first time I was a little thrown by the "athletic center" sign in the stairwell, but I pressed on. Mamasan opened the door as I was getting there (must be a camera or do etching. Not sure how I feel about that). She lead me back to a room. Had a younger (late 20's, early 30's probably) k girl. Not a spinner, but not fat. Said her name was Lovey. Or something like that. Pretty face but quiet. Paid .7 for the hour and got to the massage. After a so so massage on the back side, she did do a decent tease before having me flip. I roamed the whole time. She asked what I wanted, we negotiated. She wanted $.6 for all, but settled for $.3. We got down to it. CBJ, mish and doggy. Not bad, not exceptional. Some more massage at the end. They take your name on a card there, with a pin code, so they can track if you've been there.

I came back a week later (mostly decent reviews here so I thought I'd see about some improvement. Got a short spinner named cookie. Things started ok, but on the flip, she wanted $ for CBJ. On top of .7 for the house, that's a lot. I'm used to .8. She wouldn't negotiate and eventually just said let's finish massage. She got grumpy, and it became strictly no touch. To get credit, she still tried to give a decent massage, but no friendliness at all. I tipped .2 for the massage.

I'll probably not repeat. One thing I noted, that's a bit if a turnoff, is the radio stations they have going in the room. I've grown to like the ambiance of some soft, pseudo oriental music playing. Here, they have a radio in each room tuned to whatever.

Keep safe. Just got back from CY, I'll post that in a bit.

Went to this place last night. It's about 15 minutes further away from me, but reviewed well, seemed cheaper than other places, and I was frankly put off by my last stop at Golden. Boy am I glad I went.

Got a petite masseuse, looked to be early to mid 30's (I think. Hard to tell). Very friendly. I already liked the ambience of this place better than other places I've visited recently. Much more relaxing feel. Masseuse's name was Kay. Paid for an hour, decided to do the TS. Only thing I regret. The TS room is cold, so once the warmth of the water wears off, I'm concentrating too hard on not shivering to enjoy things. I got to remember to start passing on that.

A couple quick minutes in the sauna to warm up and back to the room. I lay down, no drape. Kay climbs right up and straddles over me to do a pretty decent massage. After a decent, hard massage, she climbs down does the light touch thing for a bit and then the flip. Asks what I want, agree to a price and we get going. Awesome CBJ with some extra action down there. Some mosh and doggy. She's getting into it right through the finish. She was definitely more into participating than other masseuses I've had in the area. Is that the standard for The girls there, or is this a case of YMMV? If the former, I may find my gas bill going up from the extra drive!

In the end .6 + $.4 for tip. Comes out about 10-30 cheaper than golden depending on how good you are at negotiating. Quality of service much better in my opinion.

Have a safe weekend all.

[QUOTE=Bt2123;2040790]Went to this place last night. It's about 15 minutes further away from me, but reviewed well, seemed cheaper than other places, and I was frankly put off by my last stop at Golden. Boy am I glad I went.

Got a petite masseuse, looked to be early to mid 30's (I think. Hard to tell). Very friendly. I already liked the ambience of this place better than other places I've visited recently. Much more relaxing feel. Masseuse's name was Kay. Paid for an hour, decided to do the TS. Only thing I regret. The TS room is cold, so once the warmth of the water wears off, I'm concentrating too hard on not shivering to enjoy things. I got to remember to start passing on that.

A couple quick minutes in the sauna to warm up and back to the room. I lay down, no drape. Kay climbs right up and straddles over me to do a pretty decent massage. After a decent, hard massage, she climbs down does the light touch thing for a bit and then the flip. Asks what I want, agree to a price and we get going. Awesome CBJ with some extra action down there. Some mosh and doggy. She's getting into it right through the finish. She was definitely more into participating than other masseuses I've had in the area. Is that the standard for The girls there, or is this a case of YMMV? If the former, I may find my gas bill going up from the extra drive!

In the end .6 + $.4 for tip. Comes out about 10-30 cheaper than golden depending on how good you are at negotiating. Quality of service much better in my opinion.

Have a safe weekend all.[/QUOTE]It's hard to say with 100% certainty. However my opinion is that you would most likely find your mileage (YMMV) less "satisfying" were you to forego the TS. Here's the reason. I don't think that you ever really get Asian Rimming. But in any case, whatever you do get as well as a BJ of any kind, the provider's face and nose are going to be in close proximity to your arsehole.

Even if you take a really good shower before you leave your home on your way to the AMP, sweating, farting, and any other normal bodily functions are going to make your arsehole somewhat less than fresh. The provider has no way of knowing if you really took a shower or not. So (in my experience) they are not going to feel comfortable giving you their best.

So if you want the best massage, take the Table Shower (TS). And you should still shower before you leave home. Put yourself in the provider's place. A customer comes in and has not had a shower since his last bowel movement. Now you (the provider) are going to be removing leftover toilet paper, shite, and God knows what else from the customer's areshole. Seem to me it would be a bit off-putting. Don't be a dweeb! Take the TS.

LexLuther.

[QUOTE=Bt2123;2040491]Good evening gents. I'm newer to the area, just moved up from southern va. I've been here for a couple months, and visited some places on the VA side where I live, but recently wanted to sample the MD side. Here's what I've got:

Stopped at Golden twice. The first time I was a little thrown by the "athletic center" sign in the stairwell, but I pressed on. Mamasan opened the door as I was getting there (must be a camera or do etching. Not sure how I feel about that). She lead me back to a room. Had a younger (late 20's, early 30's probably) k girl. Not a spinner, but not fat. Said her name was Lovey. Or something like that. Pretty face but quiet. Paid .7 for the hour and got to the massage. After a so so massage on the back side, she did do a decent tease before having me flip. I roamed the whole time. She asked what I wanted, we negotiated. She wanted $.6 for all, but settled for $.3. We got down to it. CBJ, mish and doggy. Not bad, not exceptional. Some more massage at the end. They take your name on a card there, with a pin code, so they can track if you've been there.

I came back a week later (mostly decent reviews here so I thought I'd see about some improvement. Got a short spinner named cookie. Things started ok, but on the flip, she wanted $ for CBJ. On top of .7 for the house, that's a lot. I'm used to .8. She wouldn't negotiate and eventually just said let's finish massage. She got grumpy, and it became strictly no touch. To get credit, she still tried to give a decent massage, but no friendliness at all. I tipped .2 for the massage.

I'll probably not repeat. One thing I noted, that's a bit if a turnoff, is the radio stations they have going in the room. I've grown to like the ambiance of some soft, pseudo oriental music playing. Here, they have a radio in each room tuned to whatever.

Keep safe. Just got back from CY, I'll post that in a bit.[/QUOTE]Cookie at golden is Kookie! Bad attitude. I walked out on her fucking ass.

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2041014]It's hard to say with 100% certainty. However my opinion is that you would most likely find your mileage (YMMV) less "satisfying" were you to forego the TS. Here's the reason. I don't think that you ever really get Asian Rimming. But in any case, whatever you do get as well as a BJ of any kind, the provider's face and nose are going to be in close proximity to your arsehole.

Even if you take a really good shower before you leave your home on your way to the AMP, sweating, farting, and any other normal bodily functions are going to make your arsehole somewhat less than fresh. The provider has no way of knowing if you really took a shower or not. So (in my experience) they are not going to feel comfortable giving you their best.

So if you want the best massage, take the Table Shower (TS). And you should still shower before you leave home. Put yourself in the provider's place. A customer comes in and has not had a shower since his last bowel movement. Now you (the provider) are going to be removing leftover toilet paper, shite, and God knows what else from the customer's areshole. Seem to me it would be a bit off-putting. Don't be a dweeb! Take the TS.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]Lex,

I absolutely agree with you on the courtesy of cleanliness going to one of these places. I don't think not wanting to TS is a matter if dweebiness (if that's a word). In some ways, until you kind of trust a place, it's kind of creepy to lay down and put my stuff on the same mat some other dudes junk was on probably ten minutes before. (Of note, I did notice at CY that part of the providers routine while I was in the sauna was to clean off the table, so that's encouraging but also not always guaranteed to happen). I've done both (taken and passed on the TS) and not noticed a huge difference in service. I think that's more based on the provider. For example, I got worse service with cookie at golden after taking the shower than with the first girl where I didn't shower.

In any case, especially in the chillier months, if they're not going to heat the TS room, I don't feel the need to spend ten to fifteen minutes of my hour shivering. I'm confident enough in my personal grooming habits to be comfortable with that choice, and confident that I won't be grossing out the provider.

Stay safe out there.

Hello Gents!

I had not been to an AMP since DC shut down; it had been too long. I was planning a trip to Philly overnight to hit up two AMPs since I hear they have an active scene. I took a look on the board on a whim to see what was happening in the area and was surprised read good things about Golden. Hmmm, 20 minutes away or 2.5 hours away. I decided to give it a shot. Seemed like a sketchy part of town but ample parking so I went in anyway. There was actually a dump truck parked out front when I drove past the place looking for it. It pulled out as I pulled in. Ran into a guy on the stairs; we grunted at each other in passing. Best I could tell, I had the place mostly to myself.

Mamasan let me in and guided me to room number 5. Therapist was Lily. 5'8", classic looks, lean and natural body. Chest was a "B" headed toward "C", I'd guess mid-thirties. She said she had been around for 2 days.

Standard routine based on past comments. .7 entry fee. Good TS followed by some Sauna time (ESPN, Washingtonian, People and some other magazine were 4 ish years old so take something to read) Then back to the room for a massage. Ok massage and good small talk. Nothing to write home about but she was very pleasant to be with.

Asked if I wanted anything else; I said I want it all. Offered $.2 and she said $.4. Did not haggle more as that seemed ballpark and I did not want ruin her good mood. She was very accommodating post massage and nothing out of the ordinary was denied. Warm wash cloth wipe down and she helped me dress. All in all, a good time and worth seeing again.

There were two another girl there. Did not get either names but one was 5'5 ish with a solid natural 'D' (based on her body type). Very round all over and I'd guess late 20's. Seemed nice enough if that is what you like. Second lady looked 5'6 ish from the back and a figure somewhere between Lily and Miss Natural 'D'. Did not see her face so no guess on her age. She looked good from the back.

Stay safe!

I was a very happy camper visiting here last year, when the tip was over $ it was for a nice time with someone who was being good within whatever limits she may have had. Two times this year, and I have drawn someone (Suzi this time, maybe last time too) who is aggressive about tip asking $.6 but not willing to provide even a good standard $ experience. I had a nice run at this place, but now BS just stands for what is usually does. Time to start looking for new place.

[QUOTE=TedStrykker;2028850]I know there was recent talk on one of the forums about house pricing, twixt northern MD spas and southern. But are tips increasing?

It took me a while to rtff but I found a place that has services comparable to, but so far not quite as special as my old favorite, the hospital in towson.

Unfortunately, after a few visits it appears that somehow the tip requested is $.40. I've negotiated and paid $.2 but under protest.

Is this the new standard?

Should I turn north again?

Should I just walk out?

If more detail is required, hit me up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bt2123;2040790]Went to this place last night. It's about 15 minutes further away from me, but reviewed well, seemed cheaper than other places, and I was frankly put off by my last stop at Golden. Boy am I glad I went.

Got a petite masseuse, looked to be early to mid 30's (I think. Hard to tell). Very friendly. I already liked the ambience of this place better than other places I've visited recently. Much more relaxing feel. Masseuse's name was Kay. Paid for an hour, decided to do the TS. Only thing I regret. The TS room is cold, so once the warmth of the water wears off, I'm concentrating too hard on not shivering to enjoy things. I got to remember to start passing on that.

A couple quick minutes in the sauna to warm up and back to the room. I lay down, no drape. Kay climbs right up and straddles over me to do a pretty decent massage. After a decent, hard massage, she climbs down does the light touch thing for a bit and then the flip. Asks what I want, agree to a price and we get going. Awesome CBJ with some extra action down there. Some mosh and doggy. She's getting into it right through the finish. She was definitely more into participating than other masseuses I've had in the area. Is that the standard for The girls there, or is this a case of YMMV? If the former, I may find my gas bill going up from the extra drive!

In the end .6 + $.4 for tip. Comes out about 10-30 cheaper than golden depending on how good you are at negotiating. Quality of service much better in my opinion.

Have a safe weekend all.[/QUOTE]So are you saying $1.0 total? Because I thought it would be at least $1.7 for what you mentioned. 10-30 cheaper would be $1.6 to 1.4.

I've read a few reports now that are stating that the massage girls are now asking for $130-140 instead of $100 as their tip before they even start service on the hobbyist. If the guy refuses to pay that amount, then the girl gives a lousy massage, with a bad attitude and refuses to let him touch her. When his time is over, the girl shoos him out the door. No HE. I have heard of this happening at least three different spas. These are spas that I refuse to go to.

Some guys may argue but I believe that $100 is fair enough. Let me break down the massage "hour" for you. Your massage hour starts when you give the girl the money. You then go to the TS for ten minutes and maybe to the sauna,(if they have one), for ten minutes. That is twenty minutes. When you return to the room they dry you off and start your massage. Some girls massage for ten minutes on your stomach, others girls may massage for fifteen minutes. On the flip, some girls will massage five minutes, other girls will do ten minutes of massage. Then it is negotiation time. It may take up to five minutes if the girl is insisting on more money than the standard. Forty minutes have now elapsed. You now have ten to fifteen minutes (they always cut you short of time), to do the deed. After you get dressed and walk to your car, you look at your phone or watch and you were in and out of the spa in fifty minutes.

Now, at the beginning of this report, I stated that the girls want between $130-140 as payment for their services. That $130-140 for ten minutes of fun. I'm sorry girls but I don't think so. I think $100 is more than enough compensation for the ten minutes that you have given us. The girls at Brite Spa / Silk and other places that are rub and tug should be very ashamed of themselves for asking $130-140 for a HE. Very ashamed. You men that are paying $130-140 for a HE and the $70 house fee with it should STOP it. Just stop it. The girls are ripping you off.

Propilot-Always check your six.

I (and everyone else) was paying $60 house + $100 tip for 'everything' in 1994.

The price of a Big Mac in 1994 was $2.30.

The price of a Big Mac in 2014 is $4.62.

BLS ( [URL]http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm[/URL]) shows $100:1994 = $158:2014, but that is heavily politicized to yield the lowest possible rate of change.

Given that math, $200 isn't unreasonable, and anything less than $160 should be considered a bargain.

A Big Mac at $4.62 or a Five Guys burger at $5.89? I don't believe the old saying "You get what you pay for." because it is inaccurate. The more accurate statement is "You don't get what you didn't pay for." You want better quality, it is going to cost a bit more.

RE: expensive HE: the few places I know that are asking and getting $130 for HE are providing a HE experience that is far better than the "lay back and think of England" versions of 'everything' I get for $100.

RE: negotiation takes 5 minutes? Only if you're cheap. If you know the going rate, and put it on the counter while you're undressing, then there isn't any negotiation. And knowing up front they're getting paid the ladies are generally far more pleasant, and frequently enthusiastic, and usually more responsive (if you want more / better massage tonight she'll do it; if you want to mostly skip the massage and get down to fun, she'll do that to. Happy workers do a better job, and no one is happy after being told they "aren't worth" the fees they are asking. If you spend 5 minutes haggling the girl, no wonder she treats you poorly. If you pay ahead and get poor service anyway, next visit don't ask for someone by name, ask for NOT that girl. Mamasan and the girl will get the message. Or just drop that place from your rotation for a few months, our choices aren't what they where a few years ago, but one has enough options blacklisting one place for a while isn't going to be a big hardship.

Nobody wants to _feel_ like they're being ripped of, much less actually being ripped off. But rip-offs happen both directions: paying more than a service is worth, and getting underpaid for services rendered.

I usually give at least .2 more than the standard. It's just an automatic for me. Go ahead and flame me if you want (I'll wait...haha).

My feeling is this: I believe that we are getting a good deal here. Almost 20 years in this area, and I have seen these places come and go, including some real gems. Guys, remember where you'd be if these establishments were gone. Downtown has been gone for about a decade and we STILL reminisce about it--haha.

The place I go to (same as you guys) I am always given a decent massage and whatever else. Umma recognizes me to the point where I no longer have to ask for what I want, nor negotiate for what I want, and I never get asked beforehand for a tip (which I'd consider an insult). Umma takes care of all that for me before the girl comes in. Sometimes I am allowed to roam a little more than usual. It's worth it for another .2.

If I get any special treatment outside of that, then I may tip another .2 or .4, but I make a point of saying to the provider "I'm giving you this "extra" because you were very good to me," or "thanks for letting me do "this"..." or "you really gave me a really good massage today." Then I ask her name again and promise to see her specifically (you should do this anyway, so you have a reference for next time). The girl now knows what she needs to do if she wants the same tip next time--her choice.

Easy little things like this make a huge difference for the next time you show up. They remember you, not only as someone who won't start trouble, but as someone who will be coming with extra funds to give if they get treated right. You know what else? When I don't tip the extra .2 or .4, that's a clear message to the girl / umma that I didn't like girl's service; there is no complaining, or pissing and moaning. Umma will correct this as well, and in the rare case that she doesn't, then I take a break from the place.

I should mention here that I only go to one place. I go enough times to build my rep with umma. I don't shop around due to lack of selection. It's an insult to look at their selection and then leave. Yeah, they'll get the message, but it won't translate to YOU getting better service. They remember this as well. Again, I don't have to because umma's not going to give me a dud. And if she tries a new girl on me and she's a dud, well...(see paragraph above). That happened with Yuko, and if you recall she wasn't around for very long.

My point here is: Your goal is to 1). Stand out to be (a little) different than the others, and 2). "talk" to them without actually talking to them, and 3). Vary amounts of your tip so they can gauge what services you like / don't like.

Too many guys read these boards and go in with the attitude of "I'm going to get 'this' and it's ONLY going to cost me 'this' They want to pay the "regular" rate, but want to be treated "special". But remember, that price is the LEAST amount that you can pay to get those services.

When an AMP asks you up front how much you will tip, that should be a clear message to you that she thinks your BS won't be worth it for her in the end. It's usually the vibe that YOU set off. I NEVER want to give them that impression. Just like with a BP provider, they will read into everything that you do and don't do. Don't think that umma isn't saying to the girls: "Watch out, this guy's a cheap asshole who will try to finger you.".

But you keep going in with your regular tip. That will make it easy for the rest of us to stand out.

Rant that may not go anywhere. You have been warned.

Funny, I have not been on the boards for 6 years or so and I remember a guy on the DC boards (think his handle was cabdriver) ranting whenever someone payed $.20 for FS. He would tell people they should walk out and not pay. Nevermind $ had been the going rate for quite some time and a price hike was overdue. In 2005, non-MILF independents were 250 to 300 and $.6 total got you everything at a parlor. Now non-MILF independents are 350 to 400 and 200 to 220 gets you everything at a parlor. I have notices even the asian condo cat houses are looking for 260 now.

When evaluated against current market conditions, parlors are still a comparable bargin and appear to be fairly prices. I just went to Thailand and prices were near double what a paid 10 years ago and the quality has stayed the same. We have to face the facts. Pussy, like gas, food and all the other things we need to get by in this world, is getting more expensive. Its the price we pay for even slight economic growth.

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle is getting squeezed by stagnant wages and higher prices. Maybe that will lead to cheaper pussy in the future? Somehow I doubt it.

I agreed with Propilot, but I've got to admit the last 2 posts from (Utwogood & Thenocturnal) made good points. So much that now I feel bad about the standard tip that I gave CoCo from the new place near the lakes for a standard finish. The TS looked clean & new. The entire building felt warm on this cold night. Massage was more of a rub down, but she was very sweet with a pleasant attitude & now I feel she should of got more. I'll hook her up next week when I go back.

[QUOTE=Busternutter;2045357]So are you saying $1.0 total? Because I thought it would be at least $1.7 for what you mentioned. 10-30 cheaper would be $1.6 to 1.4.[/QUOTE]Sorry for any confusion. It was $$ total. .6 to the house. $.4 for the tip. Golden would have been .7 to the house and $.4 to $.6 for the tip, thus being 10-30 more expensive. For not as good service.

Hope that clears it up.

Stay safe.

I'll add my two cents here. If you want to keep the Korean parlors in business and if you want a good experience with a pretty girl, or even a nice girl who is not so pretty, you need to bow to the pressures of the market and up your tip to as much as $150 for FS at an AMP.

I know that many of the guys who patronize spas are (like me) probably middle class guys. This kind of money may impact our ability to indulge in the hobby as frequently as we would care to. But I'll take quality over quantity any day.

However I would also like to emphatically suggest you try the Chinese Apartment AMPs. They represent great (and I do mean great) value for money. The Chinese gals often speak worse English than the Korean gals. But they have often come here (to the U.S.) with the express purpose of making money by providing sexual services. They almost always have someone (children, siblings, parents) in China whom they need to support. So they are happy to get your $100 on top of the house fee. And the house fee is usually $60 vice $70 to $80 at the Korean joints.

So that means that you may be able to get out of a Chinese place for $160 (for FS) while a Korean establishment may cost you up to $250 give or take. There are differences in the amenities offered. One hour at a Korean place almost always comes with at least the offer of a shower, whether that be self-administered or a TS given by the practitioner. You can ask to use the shower at a Chinese AAMP. But since they are not set up for that, you may be taking a chance on the cleanliness of both shower and towels. Of course you can avoid the problem altogether by showering before going to the Chinese establishment.

I also think the Chinese are not as scrupulous about their own personal cleanliness as the Koreans. But this often means that the experience at a Chinese AAMP can be more of a GFE than you are likely to get at a traditional Korean AMP. For example, the Chinese may offer DFK while the Koreans will nearly never do it. You can expect DATY at both kinds of places. You may often receive BBBJ from Chinese and very rarely from Koreans. You can sometimes get BBFS at a Chinese place and never at a Korean one. If you do get it at a Chinese place, you will most likely have to pay extra for it.

LexLuther.

Tried the new place that lies between the former oasis and heaven locations.

Hard to find in the dark, unless you have x-ray vision and can see through the car roof, because once you're out of the car the sign is HUGE but is placed up really high.

In spite of many rooms, only one TS, and attendant seems reluctant for some reason, and not merely that it was in use and we needed to wait. Massage started before the shower, and continued after the shower.

Massage was well done, not 'just a rub'. The after was fairly limited. Roaming was allowed, and mildly encouraged with some moans and sighs, so I pushed it as far as I was allowed, and was allowed expose some skin for better access. Thereafter I found a distinct limit to this permissiveness, but it seemed an odd place to draw the line. Either I pushed harder / faster than she intended to allow, and drifted over her line when she applied the brakes, or 'something else?'. Net was a limited, near minimal menu, delivered without the flourish I've been finding north of the river.

As noted below I try not to be cheap with the ladies, but limited service means limited tip, but when I asked "Is that good", she said yes enthusiastically, and seemed happy when I matched the house fee less ten.

Nice facility. Similar furnishing to the defunct DS, but not quite as fancy. Doors not curtains, but no locks on the doors. The shelf held a spray bottle of alcohol, so that is a promising sign. Promising or not, I'm not sure I'll be back given the availability of several different flavors of 'sure thing' to the north and northwest.

I have no idea what they are going to do with that many rooms. If they ever really get that much business the daily traffic will be impossible to ignore / not notice and it'll be so obvious they'll get shut down by an army of cops, reporters and news helicopters.

Edit: fixed dang autocorrect, and since I was editing, elaborted a couple of points.

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2045722]I'll add my two cents here. If you want to keep the Korean parlors in business and if you want a good experience with a pretty girl, or even a nice girl who is not so pretty, you need to bow to the pressures of the market and up your tip to as much as $150 for FS at an AMP.

I know that many of the guys who patronize spas are (like me) probably middle class guys. This kind of money may impact our ability to indulge in the hobby as frequently as we would care to. But I'll take quality over quantity any day.

However I would also like to emphatically suggest you try the Chinese Apartment AMPs. They represent great (and I do mean great) value for money. The Chinese gals often speak worse English than the Korean gals. But they have often come here (to the U.S.) with the express purpose of making money by providing sexual services. They almost always have someone (children, siblings, parents) in China whom they need to support. So they are happy to get your $100 on top of the house fee. And the house fee is usually $60 vice $70 to $80 at the Korean joints.

So that means that you may be able to get out of a Chinese place for $160 (for FS) while a Korean establishment may cost you up to $250 give or take. There are differences in the amenities offered. One hour at a Korean place almost always comes with at least the offer of a shower, whether that be self-administered or a TS given by the practitioner. You can ask to use the shower at a Chinese AAMP. But since they are not set up for that, you may be taking a chance on the cleanliness of both shower and towels. Of course you can avoid the problem altogether by showering before going to the Chinese establishment.

I also think the Chinese are not as scrupulous about their own personal cleanliness as the Koreans. But this often means that the experience at a Chinese AAMP can be more of a GFE than you are likely to get at a traditional Korean AMP. For example, the Chinese may offer DFK while the Koreans will nearly never do it. You can expect DATY at both kinds of places. You may often receive BBBJ from Chinese and very rarely from Koreans. You can sometimes get BBFS at a Chinese place and never at a Korean one. If you do get it at a Chinese place, you will most likely have to pay extra for it.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]Lex, clear out your damn inbox, I got news for you.

[QUOTE=GingerMan;2046056]Lex, clear out your damn inbox, I got news for you.[/QUOTE]I do believe the type of customer dictates the amount the gals will accept. If you are half way decent looking, in half way decent shape, and are totally clean the gals will accept $100 to suck and fuck. It is a pleasant break for them from some of the nasty mongers they see daily.

I went by TK in Greenbelt today for lunch but did not have the heart to go in. It's in a office building surrounded by professionals (should have looked at the map rather than just turning on the GPS). My spidey senses started tingling. I don't know how it is in PGC but I would think a place like that in a 'civilized" professional setting would be a LEO magnet. Of course, if you get a bug, at least a doctor is right up stairs.

[QUOTE=Thenocturnal;2045982]

Nice facility. Similar furnishing to the defunct DS, but not quite as fancy. Doors not curtains, but no locks on the doors. The shelf held a spray bottle of alcohol, so that is a promising sign. Promising or not, I'm not sure I'll be back given the availability of several different flavors of 'sure thing' to the north and northwest.

I have no idea what they are going to do with that many rooms. If they ever really get that much business the daily traffic will be impossible to ignore / not notice and it'll be so obvious they'll get shut down by an army of cops, reporters and news helicopters.

Edit: fixed dang autocorrect, and since I was editing, elaborted a couple of points.[/QUOTE]Similar? How about exactly the same. Considering this is the exact same owner and management from DS and RL. The tables surely went from DS sometime prior to 12/31 to storage and in to LHT a few weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Twist;2046292]I went by TK in Greenbelt today for lunch but did not have the heart to go in. It's in a office building surrounded by professionals (should have looked at the map rather than just turning on the GPS). My spidey senses started tingling. I don't know how it is in PGC but I would think a place like that in a 'civilized" professional setting would be a LEO magnet. Of course, if you get a bug, at least a doctor is right up stairs.[/QUOTE]For Pete's sake there's a drug rehab facility next door. I've always wondered why this place gets raided. Do the rehab clients think it's beneath them to have an AMP next door?

[QUOTE=Brahmabull;2046339]Similar? How about exactly the same. [/QUOTE]Only saw DS the once.

I didn't see brass objects the'art and framed pictures (hotel lobby quality, but nonetheless 'fancy') hanging on the walls this time ... Maybe those are still in storage.

I'm finding the money discussion interesting. I've never tipped over 1.0, and everyone has always seemed happy--I've always been well-received upon returning. No one has ever asked me for more or even hinted at same. Maybe it's my hunky good looks or charming personality?

[QUOTE=Brahmabull;2046339]Similar? How about exactly the same. Considering this is the exact same owner and management from DS and RL. The tables surely went from DS sometime prior to 12/31 to storage and in to LHT a few weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Same owner and management? This new place will surely be good!

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2045722]I'll add my two cents here. If you want to keep the Korean parlors in business and if you want a good experience with a pretty girl, or even a nice girl who is not so pretty, you need to bow to the pressures of the market and up your tip to as much as $150 for FS at an AMP.

However I would also like to emphatically suggest you try the Chinese Apartment AMPs.

There are differences in the amenities offered. One hour at a Korean place almost always comes with at least the offer of a shower, whether that be self-administered or a TS given by the practitioner. You can ask to use the shower at a Chinese AAMP.

I also think the Chinese are not as scrupulous about their own personal cleanliness as the Koreans. ...[/QUOTE]That was a good description of Korean AMPs and Chinese condos. One other difference is that the Koreans will dress up in sexy little costumes with lots of makeup while the Chinese will probably be wearing something like a sweatshirt and stretch pants and almost no makeup. I've also found the Koreans have much more playful personalities while the Chinese are more serious (but you may actually get a decent massage from a Chinese girl).

I also have to agree that the hotter girls will go to cities where tips are higher. Since October I've been making monthly business trips to Tampa, where I've found some K-AMPs where the girls are as hot as fire but the door fee is $80 and the tip is a firm $200. I've noticed the same thing in my travels across the country: big tipping towns have the hottest girls. Until Black Tuesday DC was the exception: 60 door fee, $100 tip, and off the charts performance; those days are long gone. Until recently, Philly offered pretty girls and good service for $60+100, but I haven't had a pretty one for several trips. If the tips go up, the hotter girls will come. But I won't tip big until I get that hotter girl. Its a chicken and egg problem.

Another option is finding areas that have large Filipino or Vietnamese populations (say, the Gulf coast of Misissippi, and Louisiana). Those areas tend to have better values in AMPs than here in the Baltimore / DC region.

Baltimore and DC is no longer the mongering mecca that was here 7 years ago, but it is much better than some of the places that I've traveled recently (Cleveland, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Pittsburgh).

[QUOTE=Horsetrader;2046568]Until recently, Philly offered pretty girls and good service for $60+100, but I haven't had a pretty one for several trips.[/QUOTE]Damn, I was planning a trip to Philly because I heard the Force was strong with the AMPs up there. So much for that idea. Where's a guy got to go to get a TS and pork a 20 something hot asian woman?

So I tried to visit Heaven, and it looks like the Gates are closed- complete with a big orange notice tapped to the door. Disappointed because I was hoping to finally see if it was worth the time, but alas, I headed to see why and was matched with an older asian lady I didn't bother to get the name of, I'll never go back to see why ever again, ever, unless I get amnesia. The table shower was the worst I've ever had, she washed ONE SIDE of my back and before that she asked for the tip upfront with the House Fee AND upsold the shit out of a standard finish.

Man, the slim pickings man, Lanham has better service then this...and there's not even a TS.

I appreciate the discussion. I used to like having the $ base and usually .2 for good service. After reading your posts, $.2 is my new base.

How does one find the Chinese apt's? I think I read they are on the craiglist, but I can't crack the code. Can I get a primer on that?

In exchange for info, I will offer up a terrible & final, experience at lotus.

After receiving great service over multiple visits I wound up with 'candy'. She offered nothing but standard finish, strike one, at least for me. Second her hair smelled like a homeless person, strike two. (They have a shower there for chrissakes) Finally, while trying to negotiate BJ with hand signals she jumped up and gave me a faceful of the nastiest smelling snatch I've experienced. I ended up sorta pushing her ass away from my face, gave her .4 and scrambled out ta there.

[QUOTE=PaulHahn3;2046506]I'm finding the money discussion interesting. I've never tipped over 1.0, and everyone has always seemed happy--I've always been well-received upon returning. No one has ever asked me for more or even hinted at same. Maybe it's my hunky good looks or charming personality?[/QUOTE]Please don't take offense to this. It's not meant to be offensive.

Of course you will always be welcomed back, especially if we're talking about going back to the same spa. And if you go to the same spa over and over, it's even more likely that you'll be welcomed back. We're talking about Koreans here. They are excellent business people. And if mamasan takes a look at you before someone opens the door, she's going to tell the girl whom she's assigned to your case that you are a repeat customer.

Which brings me to your other point. What allows you to state that you've never been asked for more money could be due to the fact that you keep going back to the same spa or that in general you lack experience and exposure. I've been going to AMPs for a long, long time and in contrast to what you state, I've almost never not been asked for more money. A lot of times, especially if it's a new AMP for me, I've been told to bring more money next time. Of course these days some AMPs have an ATM in the establishment or they will tell you to get dressed again and go to a bank around the corner or nearby.

In any case, please continue the hobby and continue to contribute to this forum.

LexLuther.

[QUOTE=TedStrykker;2047407]I appreciate the discussion. I used to like having the $ base and usually .2 for good service. After reading your posts, $.2 is my new base.

How does one find the Chinese apt's? I think I read they are on the craiglist, but I can't crack the code. Can I get a primer on that?

In exchange for info, I will offer up a terrible & final, experience at lotus.

After receiving great service over multiple visits I wound up with 'candy'. She offered nothing but standard finish, strike one, at least for me. Second her hair smelled like a homeless person, strike two. (They have a shower there for chrissakes) Finally, while trying to negotiate BJ with hand signals she jumped up and gave me a faceful of the nastiest smelling snatch I've experienced. I ended up sorta pushing her ass away from my face, gave her .4 and scrambled out ta there.[/QUOTE]

Ok, you asked, so here goes.

How I find the Chinese Apartment AMPs is first of all, by the language in the ad. Don't ask me to explain it. But I can smell these things out. I've always been able to smell out where the Korean AMPs are while just driving around in a new city. Once again, don't ask me how. I just can. When I am cruising BP or CL, I check off the ads that I think could possibly be Chinese. I then call them in order to ask things like location and pricing, even if it states it in the ad, which it often does not.

Once I hear the accent, I can always tell if it's Chinese or Korean. English speakers from both cultures have distinct accents. In fact speakers of all languages will have a distinct accent if they learn English as a second language. It has to do with the phonemes available in their native language. When they learn the phonemes in English words, they often cannot duplicate them and instead substitute the phonemes from their native language. This is always true unless a speaker of a (to us) foreign language arrives in the U.S. at age seven or lower. And in any case, those who learn English in their own country almost always learn it from their own countrymen who speak it with an "accent". Therefore they are never taught the correct way to pronounce things until they arrive here, when it is too late.

There are other things that give away a person's nationality. One thing is the meter and rhythm with which they speak English. The other, of course, is the grammatical mistakes which they make. A person who learns English as a teenager or as an adult might be taught correct grammar and usage, but they will always be inclined to apply the rules of grammar which they learned first in their own language. The reason is that the best way to learn a language is to learn it from your parents and peers. That way it is inculcated in your mind in a way which makes it unlikely that you will ever be able to overcome it.

And even if all of this were not true, the Chinese have a distinct way of doing business. They will ask you if you want to come now. If not, they tell you to call back when you are ready. If you do want to come now, they will give you the exact address and tell you to call when you get to that address.

You may legitimately ask why I have only mentioned Chinese and Koreans here. In most large cities on the east coast, you will find only these two nationalities running AMPs. That's not to say that other nationalities don't work in this industry. They do, but you are much more likely to find them on the west coast and of course in Hawaii since those areas are much more multi-cultural than areas of the east coast. There are exceptions in places like Louisiana as another poster mentioned.

Btw, if you have never received service from a Vietnamese provider, you owe it to yourself to do so. The wildest sexual partners I have ever had are the Vietnamese providers.

Good luck, good hunting, and please contribute again.

LexLuther.

[QUOTE=AMP7171;2046372]For Pete's sake there's a drug rehab facility next door. I've always wondered why this place gets raided. Do the rehab clients think it's beneath them to have an AMP next door?[/QUOTE]I've been to TK in Greenbelt numerous times and I've always found it to be a great experience with very wild girls. I don't think they suffer from their location at all.

So far at least, I've never been there when it was raided.

LexLuther.

[QUOTE=TedStrykker;2047407]
In exchange for info, I will offer up a terrible & final, experience at lotus.

After receiving great service over multiple visits - - - She offered nothing but standard finish, - - - a faceful of the nastiest smelling snatch - - - gave her .4 and scrambled out ta there.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Every place I've gone. Mediocre service at 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D' - - - repeat over and over, and suddenly great service at 'C'! And someday that girl is off on the only night you have available so you reluctantly try 'A' again and wow grrrrreat! Service. So you alternate 'A' & 'C' until both go on 'vacation', so you try someone new at 'A' hoping for the same level of service, and it is so bad you return to a 'BCD' cycle until one of them is suddenly horrible or great service and you drop down to 'BC', and then see, and after a while your 'last' experience at *all* the places was bad, and you explore new places that are too far away to be a regular stop until you get tired of the drive and go back to 'ABCD' - - - and the alpha is the omega and the story just keeps repeating.

People somehow think that this is a shrink wrapper product. You put your quarter in the vending machine, and you get identical mass-produced desert pastry of your choice. Even seeing the same girl at the same place results in a highly variable encounter depending on what is going on with her outside work, or how a previous customer treated her.

This is why recommendations have to be non-specific, and why making your own investment in learning the 'patterns' of service is so important.
{Recommendations must be vague because *we are watched*, but that is a different issue.}.

I can't tell you where to go for a 'sure thing' because there ain't no such word as 'sure thing'.
(Because 'sure thing' is two words, granny).



edit: I hate autocorrect

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2047918]Please don't take offense to this. It's not meant to be offensive.

Of course you will always be welcomed back, especially if we're talking about going back to the same spa. And if you go to the same spa over and over, it's even more likely that you'll be welcomed back. We're talking about Koreans here. They are excellent business people. And if mamasan takes a look at you before someone opens the door, she's going to tell the girl whom she's assigned to your case that you are a repeat customer.

Which brings me to your other point. What allows you to state that you've never been asked for more money could be due to the fact that you keep going back to the same spa or that in general you lack experience and exposure. I've been going to AMPs for a long, long time and in contrast to what you state, I've almost never not been asked for more money. A lot of times, especially if it's a new AMP for me, I've been told to bring more money next time. Of course these days some AMPs have an ATM in the establishment or they will tell you to get dressed again and go to a bank around the corner or nearby.

In any case, please continue the hobby and continue to contribute to this forum.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I've been going to AMPs for about 10 years now--average a couple of times a month. Maybe it's somehow just the luck of the draw. Though, yes, I do tend to be loyal to places and people I like. Last month I had one girl tell me that if would see her more often she'd take "hapf" tip. But I think she is angling for a hubby, so I kept to my schedule and tip the full amount. Well, my full amount.

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2047919]Ok, you asked, so here goes.

How I find the Chinese Apartment AMPs is first of all, by the language in the ad. Don't ask me to explain it. But I can smell these things out. I've always been able to smell out where the Korean AMPs are while just driving around in a new city. Once again, don't ask me how. I just can. When I am cruising BP or CL, I check off the ads that I think could possibly be Chinese. I then call them in order to ask things like location and pricing, even if it states it in the ad, which it often does not.

Once I hear the accent, I can always tell if it's Chinese or Korean. English speakers from both cultures have distinct accents. In fact speakers of all languages will have a distinct accent if they learn English as a second language. It has to do with the phonemes available in their native language. When they learn the phonemes in English words, they often cannot duplicate them and instead substitute the phonemes from their native language. This is always true unless a speaker of a (to us) foreign language arrives in the U.S. at age seven or lower. And in any case, those who learn English in their own country almost always learn it from their own countrymen who speak it with an "accent". Therefore they are never taught the correct way to pronounce things until they arrive here, when it is too late.

There are other things that give away a person's nationality. One thing is the meter and rhythm with which they speak English. The other, of course, is the grammatical mistakes which they make. A person who learns English as a teenager or as an adult might be taught correct grammar and usage, but they will always be inclined to apply the rules of grammar which they learned first in their own language. The reason is that the best way to learn a language is to learn it from your parents and peers. That way it is inculcated in your mind in a way which makes it unlikely that you will ever be able to overcome it.

And even if all of this were not true, the Chinese have a distinct way of doing business. They will ask you if you want to come now. If not, they tell you to call back when you are ready. If you do want to come now, they will give you the exact address and tell you to call when you get to that address.

You may legitimately ask why I have only mentioned Chinese and Koreans here. In most large cities on the east coast, you will find only these two nationalities running AMPs. That's not to say that other nationalities don't work in this industry. They do, but you are much more likely to find them on the west coast and of course in Hawaii since those areas are much more multi-cultural than areas of the east coast. There are exceptions in places like Louisiana as another poster mentioned.

Btw, if you have never received service from a Vietnamese provider, you owe it to yourself to do so. The wildest sexual partners I have ever had are the Vietnamese providers.

Good luck, good hunting, and please contribute again.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]And what do you do when they are Chinese Korean? I know Korean and Chinese Korean can distinguish one another on the 1st sound. They speak Chinese like a Chinese but speak Korean like a Korean.

Anyway no need to answer the question was just in fun to point out there is always an anomoly or 2.

[QUOTE=Brahmabull;2048509]And what do you do when they are Chinese Korean? I know Korean and Chinese Korean can distinguish one another on the 1st sound. They speak Chinese like a Chinese but speak Korean like a Korean.

Anyway no need to answer the question was just in fun to point out there is always an anomoly or 2.[/QUOTE]I once knew a Korean Chinese. I actually met her in an AMP (BoBo) up in Marion County. She was an undocumented alien who had been trafficked into the USA For a large amount of money. She came here to support her children and, of course, had to work in order to do that and to pay off the syndicate who got her here.

There are approximately two million people of Korean extraction in the Yanbian Autonomous Prefecture. This is mostly Jilin Province. I would have to say that although she spoke perfect Mandarin, when she spoke English, I thought that she was Korean. Which makes sense since the people in that area regard their own culture as Korean. And I'm sure that Korean is what they speak at home.

Many Koreans came to this area in the 19th century, although a significant number came in the early 20th century after Japan annexed Korea. If you have ever been to Korea, you will realize how much Koreans love their culture including language, food, dress, history, etc. While they have tried to assimilate into Chinese society, they will probably always love the Korean language most.

I actually know a Korean Chinese lady in the Baltimore area who does massages for a living. However I imagine there are a good number in this area.

LexLuther.

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2048807]I once knew a Korean Chinese. I actually met her in an AMP (BoBo) up in Marion County. She was an undocumented alien who had been trafficked into the USA For a large amount of money. She came here to support her children and, of course, had to work in order to do that and to pay off the syndicate who got her here.

There are approximately two million people of Korean extraction in the Yanbian Autonomous Prefecture. This is mostly Jilin Province. I would have to say that although she spoke perfect Mandarin, when she spoke English, I thought that she was Korean. Which makes sense since the people in that area regard their own culture as Korean. And I'm sure that Korean is what they speak at home.

Many Koreans came to this area in the 19th century, although a significant number came in the early 20th century after Japan annexed Korea. If you have ever been to Korea, you will realize how much Koreans love their culture including language, food, dress, history, etc. While they have tried to assimilate into Chinese society, they will probably always love the Korean language most.

I actually know a Korean Chinese lady in the Baltimore area who does massages for a living. However I imagine there are a good number in this area.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]You're right having dated someone in the past I'm know all to well.

I stopped in at TK today (Sunday) to check out the Chinese offerings. There were three cars in the parking lot but otherwise, the place was a ghost town. I called to see if they had room; they did but I went to the local Starbucks and got a coffee to give the place time to clear. I was not interested in getting the place to myself, I wanted the choice of asking for another card if I did not like my draw. That is hard to do if the deck is empty.

When I came back, the place had two cars in front; that was good enough. Went in, rang the bell and was lead into an open room across from the table shower. Mamasan asked if had been there before, I lied and said yes, back in July. She seemed skeptical but shut the door and left me to do my thing.

Place seemed clean and well organized; must have been an old doctors office. I was half undressed when my therapist came in; Mickey. Looked to be 5'8", mid to late 30's and built like a triangle; broad at the top, thin at the bottom. Average overall looks and above average english. The outfit she was wearing made her look like she had baby wrecked stomach and I almost called for a re-deal but I was happy to find out later that this was not the case. I put .7 on the counter; making sure she saw there was more where that came from.

Mickey took me by the hand and lead me across the hall to the table shower when I got a glimpse of two other ladies. Both looked average and most likely upper 30's. Both giggled at me in that Chinese "ladies of the court" trying-to-get-a-man's-attention way. Everything was washed and solid attention was paid to the right places.

Back in the room, the massage was much better than Golden. Mickey had a reasonable idea what she was doing; very professional in the execution and lasted about 20 minutes. Massage was better than Lily at Golden (see report I posted under Twist41; I could not find my original account and created a new one) but I found Lily to be more attractive and less mechanical. There was no flip, she went strait from a back massage to the light touch and extras. All I said was let's have fun and she delivered. No negotiation and no discussion.

Typical full experience; everything was clean and fresh. She was very accommodating, took direction well and safety was observed throughout the process. I left her $.4 tip and was pleased by the experience.

I still will not go during a weekday; there are just too many professional's around who might object to the place. I read it has been busted before and don't want to have it happen again with me around.

I went to TK today and there were three cars in the parking lot that were clearly there for the AMP. Basically, except for some cleaning staff, there was no one else around. Each was a "middle class family man" mobile with magnets advertising their kids public schools, license plate frames with the dealership they bought there car (giving me a good idea where he lives) and one guy had a rear view mirror hang placard letting me know exactly where he worked. The car I parked beside had mail in the passenger seat. If I had been interested, I may have determined exactly who he was; the zoom on my smart phone is pretty damn good.

Ok, Ok, if Uncle you-know-who wants to know who you are, he / she will run your plate but doesn't anyone else care about a moderate level of anonymity anymore?

Hit Golden on the way home Friday after work. I hadn't been there in at least a good six months and I've heard too many good reviews not to go check it out again. Paid the house fee and was greeted by Nana. Real cute girl, medium build with a nice top and pretty face. She was very accommodating and did an excellent job on the TS. Afterwards set in the hot sauna for a good 5 minutes and was lead back to the room. Once I got to the room, a new girl named Tiffany took over. She was also also pretty attractive with see's up top. Her english was a little broken, said she had only been working there for two days. In between the massage, she asked me to help her with her english and I obliged. Her massage technique was above average and the ST was on point. Overall, .7 house and .4 for ST. I plan to go back and see either one or possibly someone new.

[QUOTE=Twist;2049261]I stopped in at TK today (Sunday) to check out the Chinese offerings. There were three cars in the parking lot but otherwise, the place was a ghost town. I called to see if they had room; they did but I went to the local Starbucks and got a coffee to give the place time to clear. I was not interested in getting the place to myself, I wanted the choice of asking for another card if I did not like my draw. That is hard to do if the deck is empty.

When I came back, the place had two cars in front; that was good enough. Went in, rang the bell and was lead into an open room across from the table shower. Mamasan asked if had been there before, I lied and said yes, back in July. She seemed skeptical but shut the door and left me to do my thing.

Place seemed clean and well organized; must have been an old doctors office. I was half undressed when my therapist came in; Mickey. Looked to be 5'8", mid to late 30's and built like a triangle; broad at the top, thin at the bottom. Average overall looks and above average english. The outfit she was wearing made her look like she had baby wrecked stomach and I almost called for a re-deal but I was happy to find out later that this was not the case. I put .7 on the counter; making sure she saw there was more where that came from.

Mickey took me by the hand and lead me across the hall to the table shower when I got a glimpse of two other ladies. Both looked average and most likely upper 30's. Both giggled at me in that Chinese "ladies of the court" trying-to-get-a-man's-attention way. Everything was washed and solid attention was paid to the right places.

Back in the room, the massage was much better than Golden. Mickey had a reasonable idea what she was doing; very professional in the execution and lasted about 20 minutes. Massage was better than Lily at Golden (see report I posted under Twist41; I could not find my original account and created a new one) but I found Lily to be more attractive and less mechanical. There was no flip, she went strait from a back massage to the light touch and extras. All I said was let's have fun and she delivered. No negotiation and no discussion.

Typical full experience; everything was clean and fresh. She was very accommodating, took direction well and safety was observed throughout the process. I left her $.4 tip and was pleased by the experience.

I still will not go during a weekday; there are just too many professional's around who might object to the place. I read it has been busted before and don't want to have it happen again with me around.[/QUOTE]Glad you seemed to enjoy yourself however, the standard tip for TK is $. I wouldn't suggest giving much more than that unless she really did something amazing which from your recap it sounds like that did not happen. In any event, thanks for sharing and remember discretion is a must!!