[QUOTE=NateDawgg;3707614]Do you know if greek is on the menu?[/QUOTE]It's not my thing so I didn't ask or try.
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[QUOTE=NateDawgg;3707614]Do you know if greek is on the menu?[/QUOTE]It's not my thing so I didn't ask or try.
You Battle Creek guys don"t know how good you have it. You have three all star providers within a fairly short ride. In order of my personal preference Hannna in Jackson, Sandy in BC and Mikki in Lansing. Any of them are about as good as you will find anywhere, even if you spent a lot more money. Might have to move there from Chicago. I am sooo jealous.
[QUOTE=SgtPerv;3706735]With Miki being on vacation, I went to see Sandy at Happy but she was busy. I drew Pinky, cute a bit thick with a nice rack. Shower was normal. Once she got the $ she went straight to eating ass. Then on to great CBJ, to 69 , to cg all without me saying a word. Couple other positions and finished a hi while her sucking my balls. Tried to do a prostrate exam but not my thing.
She didn't keep going for a second nut like Miki at the Islands does but overall a good experience. $$ total donation.[/QUOTE]For that donation, I assume it was an hour appointment? I plan to be over there late next week, just wanted to make sure. I prefer the hour appointments for a more relaxed time and MSOG.
[QUOTE=Neilnbob;3714122]For that donation, I assume it was an hour appointment? I plan to be over there late next week, just wanted to make sure. I prefer the hour appointments for a more relaxed time and MSOG.[/QUOTE]It was an hour but I did want Sandy.
Visited sandy recently, very nice time. Will not drive to lansing or Jackson any longer with her back. One thing, when I was dressed and leaving she makes comment, bring more money next time and I give you special. Since not much other than greek was left on table, does anyone know what her "special" is? Thanks for info and pm me if you like for my details on her.
[QUOTE=MNick;3714518]Visited sandy recently, very nice time. Will not drive to lansing or Jackson any longer with her back. One thing, when I was dressed and leaving she makes comment, bring more money next time and I give you special. Since not much other than greek was left on table, does anyone know what her "special" is? Thanks for info and pm me if you like for my details on her.[/QUOTE]What did you give for how long?
Maybe I was there on a bad day.
After reading the many rave reviews of Sandy at Happy, I decided to give her a try. As was my luck, someone else was with her and was "going to be a long time. ".
So as most would do, Yes, I will go with the other girl. My suggestion is not to do that. If you come for Sandy, then wait for Sandy. You will always wonder what if.
I had Meke (I think). I asked for a half hour. I have her tip at the beginning (mistake). With house fee and tip, I handed over 120. My guess is that it wasn't enough. Would 20 more have given me a more enthusiastic person and a better time? She never said one way or the other. Sadly because of her lack of enthusiasm, I won't go back and try again. On the plus side, she made certain I would not catch anything. HJ only and she kept my mouth off her body.
After fifteen minutes, it was over, and she was ready to push me out. I said, "I think I have about fifteen minutes for a massage yet. " She didn't look happy, but went out and came back and agreed.
I actually was there for my whole half hour. She gave me a good massage albeit very business like.
I heard Sandy's customer leave just moments before I left. If I had waited, then maybe my review of Happy would be different.
Note my review of Mija at Spring below. Mija still remains much better than any other lady I have seen despite her shorting me on time.
Having said that, I am getting burned out at AMPs as the bang for the buck is poor. Finding a good massage lady who gives better service at a lower rate is much preferred.
[QUOTE=Macatawa;3715817]Maybe I was there on a bad day.
After reading the many rave reviews of Sandy at Happy, I decided to give her a try. As was my luck, someone else was with her and was "going to be a long time. ".
So as most would do, Yes, I will go with the other girl. My suggestion is not to do that. If you come for Sandy, then wait for Sandy. You will always wonder what if.
I had Meke (I think). I asked for a half hour. I have her tip at the beginning (mistake). With house fee and tip, I handed over 120. My guess is that it wasn't enough. Would 20 more have given me a more enthusiastic person and a better time? She never said one way or the other. Sadly because of her lack of enthusiasm, I won't go back and try again. On the plus side, she made certain I would not catch anything. HJ only and she kept my mouth off her body.
After fifteen minutes, it was over, and she was ready to push me out. I said, "I think I have about fifteen minutes for a massage yet. " She didn't look happy, but went out and came back and agreed.
I actually was there for my whole half hour. She gave me a good massage albeit very business like.
I heard Sandy's customer leave just moments before I left. If I had waited, then maybe my review of Happy would be different.
Note my review of Mija at Spring below. Mija still remains much better than any other lady I have seen despite her shorting me on time.
Having said that, I am getting burned out at AMPs as the bang for the buck is poor. Finding a good massage lady who gives better service at a lower rate is much preferred.[/QUOTE]It may have been a bad day. I saw Meke and she was very enthusiastic. A little bit larger, plain looking girl?
Dreamed I finally made the trip to happy based on the reviews of Sandy. Mamasan took everything upfront which was a first for me. $. 60 Sandy came in and was very eager to get to work. Shower was good and she had the soldier at full attention before it was over. Skipped sauna and went right to room where she had me stand up so she could watch herself give me a BBBJ in the mirror. She did good but I think Hannah at Lucky has her beat there. When we were ready she bent over the table and told me to fuck her like a man. Ok? Boy she can take a pounding. Kept saying is that all you got. LOL. Picked her up and railed her against the wall before throwing her back on the table to finish in mish. Pulled the cover and shoved it down her throat. She took it like a champ. Told me to bring more $ next time and she would make me pop twice. Pretty good dream overall. Will repeat.
[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;3715896]It may have been a bad day. I saw Meke and she was very enthusiastic. A little bit larger, plain looking girl?[/QUOTE]Yes, but not too bad looking. She started out with a smile, but I think the extra 80 tip wasn't enough.
Went yesterday. Had another fantastic time with Sandy. All holes filled and cover off and milked him dry. She even licked up a little she missed. God I missed her. She had me meet Choy as I was leaving. Very cute maybe mid to late 20's she didn't show anything because of her rob. Curious if anyone has seen her? Sandy said she's been there 3 days and wants to do a duo next time. She offered it first thing but I declined. I wanted Sandy all to myself.
Stopped by saw Sandy, fun time. Sorta mechanical. I've seen her 3 times now second by far the best, first was ok. She must be seeing to many people getting tired. You greek guys must be the chosen one. I was told no. Size was a issue.
Be safe.
[QUOTE=FerrisBullDog;3720755]Went yesterday. Had another fantastic time with Sandy. All holes filled and cover off and milked him dry. She even licked up a little she missed. God I missed her. She had me meet Choy as I was leaving. Very cute maybe mid to late 20's she didn't show anything because of her rob. Curious if anyone has seen her? Sandy said she's been there 3 days and wants to do a duo next time. She offered it first thing but I declined. I wanted Sandy all to myself.[/QUOTE]If Choy is being mentored by Sandy, she might be worth a test drive. If anyone samples her, please post a review.
Went to happy yesterday saw sandy she is way to busy was rushed out. Asked to see new girl but was told bu mamma that I wouldnot be happy! So I waited for sandy but wish I would of took my chances on new girl. I hatethe rush job next time ill take my chances on new one is sandy is busy. If anybody sees new girl I think her name is choybut don't quote me on that! Please report back.
[QUOTE=Nailer64;3725781]Went to happy yesterday saw sandy she is way to busy was rushed out. Asked to see new girl but was told bu mamma that I wouldnot be happy! So I waited for sandy but wish I would of took my chances on new girl. I hatethe rush job next time ill take my chances on new one is sandy is busy. If anybody sees new girl I think her name is choybut don't quote me on that! Please report back.[/QUOTE]I was there first in the morning the other day, mamma tried to get the tip from me before seeing Sandy, I wasn't ok with that.
Then Sandy comes in, says she has an appointment coming has to hurry. Very much a rush job, says she will make it up to me later. I have never been to Happys before might not get a chance to make it up.
I do like the blonde hair. Never been rushed like that by Mikki.
[QUOTE=MrJonesy;3725841]I was there first in the morning the other day, mamma tried to get the tip from me before seeing Sandy, I wasn't ok with that.
Then Sandy comes in, says she has an appointment coming has to hurry. Very much a rush job, says she will make it up to me later. I have never been to Happys before might not get a chance to make it up.
I do like the blonde hair. Never been rushed like that by Mikki.[/QUOTE]I was there about 11-11:30 should of left because there were 2 trucks there but I didn't won't happen again ill either leave or call and make a appointment! Also I paid upfront which I won't do again! They have you stuck once you give up the $.
[QUOTE=Nailer64;3725893]I was there about 11-11:30 should of left because there were 2 trucks there but I didn't won't happen again ill either leave or call and make a appointment! Also I paid upfront which I won't do again! They have you stuck once you give up the $.[/QUOTE]I think that is a mamma that used to work at Spring. She tried to get me to pay up front there too. Then try to get more then they normally ask for!
Based on the reports, I took a trip to Happy to see Sandy. As reported in other posts, House fee and tip demanded up front, $$ HR. I called ahead for an appt with Sandy. When I got there, Mamasan asked how I knew her and I replied through reviews.
After I got undressed ready for the shower, Mamasan asked if "I like the girl she bring" which was a younger, very pretty spinner type. I said "No", that's not Sandy. I knew Sandy has blond hair. Although I was tempted, she was very cute. Sandy cam in and gave a very nice shower and kept exclaiming I'm breaking a law since I was too big. We went to the room and she did an excellent massage. On the flip, she started BBBJ very nicely. She has nice skills. She got on top and had to use lube. Very energetic, we switched to a few more positions, but doggy and Greece were out since size was an issue. She wanted me to crack a nut inside, but after reading the reviews I wanted that CIM. Didn't get it, she just finished with a HJ. Overall, very nice experience Sandy admitted afterwards that she's not feeling the greatest and probably coming down with the bug that going around.
Sandy is about 5'5" and very much the spinner type, late 30's early 40's Full, real juggys that are about as perfect as you've ever seen or touched. I will repeat. Also might try the cute younger gal.
[QUOTE=MrJonesy;3726416]I think that is a mamma that used to work at Spring. She tried to get me to pay up front there too. Then try to get more then they normally ask for![/QUOTE]Yea she tried that with me I go naw, I'll wait and see what sandy does, I pay for massage to you. Then she ask if I want shower, I say yes, she comes back in rubber boots and says come, I go no, I want shower with sandy, she stormed off grumbling doesn't see difference. Well sandy is older, that woman someone great gramma, ughhhhh no way for shower, ha never give money up front.
[QUOTE=Gizmo7718;3726510]Based on the reports, I took a trip to Happy to see Sandy. As reported in other posts, House fee and tip demanded up front, $$ HR. I called ahead for an appt with Sandy. When I got there, Mamasan asked how I knew her and I replied through reviews.
After I got undressed ready for the shower, Mamasan asked if "I like the girl she bring" which was a younger, very pretty spinner type. I said "No", that's not Sandy. I knew Sandy has blond hair. Although I was tempted, she was very cute. Sandy cam in and gave a very nice shower and kept exclaiming I'm breaking a law since I was too big. We went to the room and she did an excellent massage. On the flip, she started BBBJ very nicely. She has nice skills. She got on top and had to use lube. Very energetic, we switched to a few more positions, but doggy and Greece were out since size was an issue. She wanted me to crack a nut inside, but after reading the reviews I wanted that CIM. Didn't get it, she just finished with a HJ. Overall, very nice experience Sandy admitted afterwards that she's not feeling the greatest and probably coming down with the bug that going around.
Sandy is about 5'5" and very much the spinner type, late 30's early 40's Full, real juggys that are about as perfect as you've ever seen or touched. I will repeat. Also might try the cute younger gal.[/QUOTE]I have tried going a few times lately, and place always has 2 or 3 cars in the lot. I have tried different times of the day and night and it's always busy.
What's been the damage for all these good happy reports? I know the standard HHR / HR fee, but haven't been there in a good 2 years or more now. I am seeing a lot for Team Sandy, but anyone know the name of the younger girl? I think them younger and want to try setting an appointment up for once.
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Don't know how I didn't see the multiple posts calling her Choy, the road is getting to me.
[QUOTE=GypseyDanger;3728361]What's been the damage for all these good happy reports? I know the standard HHR / HR fee, but haven't been there in a good 2 years or more now. I am seeing a lot for Team Sandy, but anyone know the name of the younger girl? I think them younger and want to try setting an appointment up for once.
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Don't know how I didn't see the multiple posts calling her Choy, the road is getting to me.[/QUOTE]Hey you should go and report back on choy.
Well, after heading out to Happy I saw a few cars so I decided to see Vegas right there down the road to kill a little time. (See report if you care).
About an hour or so later I try back and the lot is cleared up so I stop in. Mama did the whole pay in full up front thing. Didn't like it but she flat out was giving me menu prices and that made me a little nervous. Didn't put in as much thought as I should, because the little guy was teased too much at Vegas. She quoted me 2 for FS, I gave her the 1. 4 I brought. She says she bring me nice girl. Part of the trip was to see the younger "Choy" so I asked who was there. She said only "Cindy", and I asked if the new young girl was there.
Good god gentlemen don't talk about Choy. Mama looked like I was going to have my money thrown at me and kick me out. Sandy / Cindy comes in and is what everyone has said. Super bubbly and friendly with everything and was having a good time. I mentioned again a new girl, and like an idiot said Choy again, and she looked a little off put / scared. She just went "no-no-no-no, *I* take good care, you don't want. Yeah".
At this point I noticed some yelling and even a slam in the other room and start to worry if I caused a problem, but then proceeded to have my life force sucked out of my by this succubus. Best AMP experience by far, she is the best actress or at the very least actually enjoys her work. I stopped caring about whatever was happening in the other room, and enjoyed my time. I was expecting the part to be told to "be a man" like other people but she just hopped right on and went to town. Flipped and bent over the table, and then flipped upright for finish. Was hoping for the BBBJCIM but have never been this into an AMP visit so that thought left my mind. She laughed at the end (went over the HHR mark and close to the HR) and told me she only did for 1 because she liked me, but bring more next time for "more fun". I am clearly having a good day.
The only downside other than the possible domestic or at the least argument, was during the shower I got a soapy finger in the bum, and that's not my thing really. Didn't mind it I guess but I can definitely tell my drive home won't be super pleasant with an itch I can't scratch while on a highway.
Stopped into Spring today for a treatment and was pleasanty surprised to find Ginny working there. She said she recently left Happy Spa and started to work at Spring and to let everyone know.
So I read a few reviews of mamasan collecting upfront, but I don't see where anyone wrote what the damage was? Or what she expects upfront? Obviously the more the better for her. I went there a couple years ago before she started collecting upfront. I just recall it was a great time, but kinda pricey.
[QUOTE=GorillaTouch;3737317]So I read a few reviews of mamasan collecting upfront, but I don't see where anyone wrote what the damage was? Or what she expects upfront? Obviously the more the better for her. I went there a couple years ago before she started collecting upfront. I just recall it was a great time, but kinda pricey.[/QUOTE]In my review I put the damage for my trip. 40 hhr house fee, and 100 for FS. That is a very much YMMV moment, because I gave that and said that's all I got (a minor lie, that's all I was willing to spend).
Has anyone ever really confirmed Choy is there and real? I piss off mama when I refuse to pay her up front. None of her business what I give for service. Last time I was there I asked for Choy and you would think I took the doberman from dinner table. Wow! Sandy intervened and quickly took me to room and changed my mind about getting refund and leaving. I enjoy her but wow can't even ask about other girls. Mama needs to be nice to customers, they the ones pay her light bill. Anyway good luck and still waiting for Choy review. I have struck out again trying to confirm and bring review.
[QUOTE=MNick;3738751]Has anyone ever really confirmed Choy is there and real? I piss off mama when I refuse to pay her up front. None of her business what I give for service. Last time I was there I asked for Choy and you would think I took the doberman from dinner table. Wow! Sandy intervened and quickly took me to room and changed my mind about getting refund and leaving. I enjoy her but wow can't even ask about other girls. Mama needs to be nice to customers, they the ones pay her light bill. Anyway good luck and still waiting for Choy review. I have struck out again trying to confirm and bring review.[/QUOTE]Should probably have asked for the new girl instead of throwing out a name they wondered how you got. One place in another town had a new girl named Joy there, someone posted about a about "Chay" and the other girl said the phone was ringing all day long with people asking for "Chay. " My guess is someone got the name wrong and they are wary of people who give away that the reviews brought them in. There might not even be anyone there but Sandy, sounds like she gets all the customers and often in such a situation the other girl will go elsewhere.
Had a very nice appointment with Ginny at Spring. I have been seeing Ginny for about 10 years, and is my all time favorite. I asked her why she moved from Happy and said new manager (mama) was a giant b!tch to the girls. She collects up front so she can skim off the top, House gets 40/60, mama skims some and girls get less than our tip. Ginny said new momma won't be there long, because all the girls are complaining to the owner. That is why momma is pushing to collect up front.
[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;3739192]Had a very nice appointment with Ginny at Spring. I have been seeing Ginny for about 10 years, and is my all time favorite. I asked her why she moved from Happy and said new manager (mama) was a giant b!tch to the girls. She collects up front so she can skim off the top, House gets 40/60, mama skims some and girls get less than our tip. Ginny said new momma won't be there long, because all the girls are complaining to the owner. That is why momma is pushing to collect up front.[/QUOTE]Is this about mama at happy? Or spring? I never give money up front. So all good, but yeah, mama at happy is mean, and should leave.
[QUOTE=NightOwl2548;3738994]Should probably have asked for the new girl instead of throwing out a name they wondered how you got. One place in another town had a new girl named Joy there, someone posted about a about "Chay" and the other girl said the phone was ringing all day long with people asking for "Chay. " My guess is someone got the name wrong and they are wary of people who give away that the reviews brought them in. There might not even be anyone there but Sandy, sounds like she gets all the customers and often in such a situation the other girl will go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Yes another thing I never considered. Thank you for enlightening me on this. All I originally asked for was if someone had evidence of girl named choy. And I do find it hard to believe that sandy is only one there, but again, thanks for enlightening me on something I never thought of, wow, imagine don't ask for girl by name.
[QUOTE=MNick;3739234]Is this about mama at happy? Or spring? I never give money up front. So all good, but yeah, mama at happy is mean, and should leave.[/QUOTE]It is about mama at Happy. The old mama at Happy and I were on (fake) first name basis. I would always slip her a $20 tip to ensure I got the best girl / service. I tried to butter up new mama and she looked at me like I was crazy. She said what this for? And I said a tip for you. She said to me, no only tip for girl, you pay now. Just a nasty old hag. I probably will stick with Ginny at Spring for a while. New mama at Happy won't be there for long, she has to be 100 years old.
[QUOTE=MNick;3739239]Yes another thing I never considered. Thank you for enlightening me on this. All I originally asked for was if someone had evidence of girl named choy. And I do find it hard to believe that sandy is only one there, but again, thanks for enlightening me on something I never thought of, wow, imagine don't ask for girl by name.[/QUOTE]Generally in places I've never been even if I've read the reviews and know who is there I don't throw any names out and just go with the flow to not spook them by having some stranger show up who somehow knows all these names? Once you're done and things are more relaxed as you leave they will usually introduce you to the other staff to try to peak your interest into coming back. I noticed that at most places, the other girl, if she's not in the room working, will be sure to show herself to you as you are walked out. Don't know if she's trying to interest you into seeing her next time, just wants to see your face for future reference as a known good customer, or both.
[QUOTE=NightOwl2548;3741108]Generally in places I've never been even if I've read the reviews and know who is there I don't throw any names out and just go with the flow to not spook them by having some stranger show up who somehow knows all these names? Once you're done and things are more relaxed as you leave they will usually introduce you to the other staff to try to peak your interest into coming back. I noticed that at most places, the other girl, if she's not in the room working, will be sure to show herself to you as you are walked out. Don't know if she's trying to interest you into seeing her next time, just wants to see your face for future reference as a known good customer, or both.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your insight on your tactics. I have never had a issue with asking for a girl by name. Is it wrong to do this? As I have had several mama's and girls ask if I had been to the place before, and asked for name of girl I seen when I was there, so I ask, what is wrong with asking for specific girl? It is a way to avoid a surprise, sucks to be with a grandma and then when walk out, see young hottie, I don't have money to burn, so I like spending on what I want, not what I get. Thank you for your response though, I will continue on my way, and maybe sooner or later someone will offer info on choy, or I will just find out for myself, and share, or not. Everyone has choices and experiences to share to help fellow mongers. Thank you for yours.
[QUOTE=MNick;3741475]Thanks for your insight on your tactics. I have never had a issue with asking for a girl by name. Is it wrong to do this? As I have had several mama's and girls ask if I had been to the place before, and asked for name of girl I seen when I was there, so I ask, what is wrong with asking for specific girl? It is a way to avoid a surprise, sucks to be with a grandma and then when walk out, see young hottie, I don't have money to burn, so I like spending on what I want, not what I get. Thank you for your response though, I will continue on my way, and maybe sooner or later someone will offer info on choy, or I will just find out for myself, and share, or not. Everyone has choices and experiences to share to help fellow mongers. Thank you for yours.[/QUOTE]Probably depends on how verified the name it. Sandy is well established, but we don't know if there really is someone named choy here or if someone got the name wrong due to misinterpreting an accent. When there is a superstar and a grandma I see how the above strategy wouldn't work, I've used it at places where there were no contrasting reviews. I've also seen a trend of spas having only one single girl as of late.
[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;3739192]Had a very nice appointment with Ginny at Spring. I have been seeing Ginny for about 10 years, and is my all time favorite. I asked her why she moved from Happy and said new manager (mama) was a giant b!tch to the girls. She collects up front so she can skim off the top, House gets 40/60, mama skims some and girls get less than our tip. Ginny said new momma won't be there long, because all the girls are complaining to the owner. That is why momma is pushing to collect up front.[/QUOTE]This mamma used to work at Spring.
Ok so you all keep asking if Choy is real because none of you have seen her before. Well yes she is real and that is the name she goes by. She's a very sweet girl with standard Asian looks. She reminded me more of a Japanese girl though. She always talking about how she's fast and heavy. She weighs like 120 lbs soak and wet. I head an ok time with her. She likes to talk to you and her English is way better than most. All in all I wouldn't pick her again unless she was a little more aggressive. For some reason they can't get over the size of my butt. I know it's big, but you'd think they saw nicki Minaj or something. Even the mamasan came in to tell us our time was up (rude old bag) and started feeling my butt. She was mean and perverted at the same time LOL I couldn't help but laugh. Also yes they love to show you other girls on your way out to entice you in coming back. Sandy really wants to dig her claws in me. When I return she will be next. BTW if you want to try Choy, just ask for a new or nice young girl. Ok this is getting long but one last thing mamasan was pushy and collected tip plus house fee upfront.
Stopped in over wknd for yet another session of total relaxation at Spring Spa. As always was recognized, known & treated well from beginning to end. Had an hr w / Lilly. Also had Ginny avail (formerly at Happy). Remembered each other, but I waited for Lilly. Would absolutely take Ginny another time- she had been fun before. Had not seen her in a while because I Avoid Happy since the Mama there, pulled that Pay up Front, Skim & Scam BS. Lilly at Spring was Fabulous as usual. Great attitude, service & Fun for Both. She earns her money, no matter what paid / tipped. Recommend Her. BTW, All the Girls / Mamas now at Spring, as well as Us- Know the Up Front Skim & Scam Going On at Happy. Ginny's Pissed. Boycott if can. Be Safe & Well guys.
[QUOTE=MrJonesy;3742967]This mamma used to work at Spring.[/QUOTE]Curious as has been a while for my last visit. I last saw sandy little over month ago, mamma tried pay up front I said no, I give to sandy, she walked out in huff, but took hour house fee. I have not read of anyone else saying no, if everyone says no to her, pays her house fee, what really can she do? You then have fun and tip provider. I have often hinted and played with providers saying if they come my house make more money, ha I always get a giggle and no can, have to work all time. I was just curious if anyone else just said no. Again, what could mamma do. Thanks for info, planning another sandy trip, unless I see the infamous choy. And I will not pay up front, not my style. Will report.
[QUOTE=MNick;3748758]Curious as has been a while for my last visit. I last saw sandy little over month ago, mamma tried pay up front I said no, I give to sandy, she walked out in huff, but took hour house fee. I have not read of anyone else saying no, if everyone says no to her, pays her house fee, what really can she do? You then have fun and tip provider. I have often hinted and played with providers saying if they come my house make more money, ha I always get a giggle and no can, have to work all time. I was just curious if anyone else just said no. Again, what could mamma do. Thanks for info, planning another sandy trip, unless I see the infamous choy. And I will not pay up front, not my style. Will report.[/QUOTE]We should always say no to upfront payment. If everyone did it, she would probably quit asking. Shame though because the talent is pretty good right now.