Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=PayJohn;4551547]I usually offer $100 for the M&G and let her know as early as possible that I'll add $150 or $200 (depending on what I think after a few texts). The ladies that go for this are usually all in, they just want to make sure they feel safe with you. I ignore the ones who want more for a M&G or say they never extend a M&G into intimacy.

The best scenario is when ladies suggest an opening bid, and it's $100 or below.

Just make sure you make it clear in your profile that you're not looking for platonic.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you look at the Richmond thread. I will pay for whatever we have at the M&G but never pay to meet someone.

Paying like that for a M&G makes it difficult for everyone. What girl isn't going to say yes to go have coffee or lunch for a Franklin? Then she lays out some outrageous number or says she doesn't want to go any further and your out 100. Do that a few times and it adds up quick.

Just sayin.

PH.

Completely agree here. My time is worth more than their time in pure dollars or at the very least equal. I always offer to meet for coffee in a public place or breakfast to establish ground rules, financial assistance, and what they are offering in return. Most want to feel you out for their safety which is smart. If they feel comfortable that you are not a creep or serial killer, most will take the next step if you are half decent looking and resemble your pics on the profile.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=PinHead11;4585307]I would suggest you look at the Richmond thread. I will pay for whatever we have at the M&G but never pay to meet someone.

Paying like that for a M&G makes it difficult for everyone. What girl isn't going to say yes to go have coffee or lunch for a Franklin? Then she lays out some outrageous number or says she doesn't want to go any further and your out 100. Do that a few times and it adds up quick.

Just sayin.

PH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4585821]Completely agree here. My time is worth more than their time in pure dollars or at the very least equal. I always offer to meet for coffee in a public place or breakfast to establish ground rules, financial assistance, and what they are offering in return. Most want to feel you out for their safety which is smart. If they feel comfortable that you are not a creep or serial killer, most will take the next step if you are half decent looking and resemble your pics on the profile.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.

Ranger, if you offer the 100 for a meet and greet, just curious the percentage of times you can't work out an arrangement that is mutually beneficial to both parties and if you are able to work it out, how much in addition to the 100 you are laying out for the M & G That are successful?

I find now that blogs and some of the SBs are colluding to establish minimum rates. In my conversations, 300-400 is pretty standard for 80% of the conversations I have now and most will not negotiate.

Don't get me wrong, I still find greater value in the SB experience vs the traditional provider so I continue to March on with the SBs.

Thanks for the feedback.

Be Safe and happy mongering this new year.

[QUOTE=Ranger215;4595193]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4596129]Ranger, if you offer the 100 for a meet and greet, just curious the percentage of times you can't work out an arrangement that is mutually beneficial to both parties and if you are able to work it out, how much in addition to the 100 you are laying out for the M & G That are successful?

I find now that blogs and some of the SBs are colluding to establish minimum rates. In my conversations, 300-400 is pretty standard for 80% of the conversations I have now and most will not negotiate.

Don't get me wrong, I still find greater value in the SB experience vs the traditional provider so I continue to March on with the SBs.

Thanks for the feedback.

Be Safe and happy mongering this new year.[/QUOTE]Lurker comment herewith. I found a sugar baby "free style" in S. Florida and a UTR; both were hot and both took a Benjamin. A less hot "chubby baby" took $50 and didn't yell.

I don't know what the rich girls are asking for here and there but a girl who works at a McJob should accept $150.

Of course the blogs encourage the girls to ask for the moon; some guys are the type to give them what they ask for hoping this "improves her attitude. ".

I realize that seeking arrangement girls self selected to get more money; but broke girls probably sign up also from time to time.

I'm not a hunchback nor a creep in person, so I'm not paying more than $10 to any female for a meet and greet; this covers her parking fee or gasoline, etc.

I just can't believe that around Philly there are not a bunch of broke girls who are sick of flipping burgers or selling cheap clothes or etc. For $150 for two days of her labor.

I think such girls would like to make that money more quickly from a man who has it.

[QUOTE=Dash;4596160]Lurker comment herewith. I found a sugar baby "free style" in S. Florida and a UTR; both were hot and both took a Benjamin. A less hot "chubby baby" took $50 and didn't yell.

I don't know what the rich girls are asking for here and there but a girl who works at a McJob should accept $150.

Of course the blogs encourage the girls to ask for the moon; some guys are the type to give them what they ask for hoping this "improves her attitude. ".

I realize that seeking arrangement girls self selected to get more money; but broke girls probably sign up also from time to time.

I'm not a hunchback nor a creep in person, so I'm not paying more than $10 to any female for a meet and greet; this covers her parking fee or gasoline, etc.

I just can't believe that around Philly there are not a bunch of broke girls who are sick of flipping burgers or selling cheap clothes or etc. For $150 for two days of her labor.

I think such girls would like to make that money more quickly from a man who has it.[/QUOTE]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.

I will never pay for a M&G. Ever. It just drives up prices and encourages Rinsers. Some of these girls are making nice side money having guys pay them to watch them eat or drink coffee. If you are paying them 100 just to meet you they will probably assume 200-250 is not worth it to take off their clothes and spread their legs for you. Because you can afford more. I am not getting clean, fresh college sorority girls worth while in my area for 100 tho. I do my M&G at my private residence. If they show up and misrepresented themselves, I give them 10-20 and send them on their way. Meeting and talking with an old dude that pays them 100 and buys them food, then leaving with the cash without having to touch them beats eating ramen noodles in their dorm room every time.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4596457]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.[/QUOTE]

Met a very pretty woman on that dating app that so many use, who would love to meet a few good men for PPM. Seniors feel free to PM me for trade. She is full on SB material with no issues. I wish I was extremely well to do. 26, blonde

Has anyone chatted or had any experience with this one? I've chatted her on and off a couple times to meet. Curious if anyone took the plunge or got her to agree to anything.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1048186e-dcdb-4e00-b637-bf0868de6b3d[/URL]

I have been off and on SA for 4-5 years and a few years ago I was finding many SB's in the 100-250 range full on GFE without time limits. I have talked to hundreds of SBs in the past month of my latest membership and less than 15% are in that range. Maybe I need to negotiate better but it seems the ones I like are 300, the slim college aged girl.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4596457]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4598166]I have been off and on SA for 4-5 years and a few years ago I was finding many SB's in the 100-250 range full on GFE without time limits. I have talked to hundreds of SBs in the past month of my latest membership and less than 15% are in that range. Maybe I need to negotiate better but it seems the ones I like are 300, the slim college aged girl.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]I've found they're asking 500 or more. One tells me she gets 800 routinely.

I was talking with one yesterday who wanted 500 for dinner and 'light intimacy" when I inquired what that was she said light caressing and touching. I laughed told her she had a case of GPS and she replied with full intimacy is 1 k, instant hard pass and block. She was 28, at least her profile said that. It's getting ridiculous on SA.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=TommyArcher;4599039]I've found they're asking 500 or more. One tells me she gets 800 routinely.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ranger215;4595193]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.[/QUOTE]I commented on this previously so not to rehash the subject but I believe its important to draw a line here. You need to remember that you are in control. If you choose and you can do what feels right for you but I would suggest that you take the time to think about what your looking for and how to get it.

Paying for a M&G sets up a idea in the SB head that she or her time is so valuable that a SD will pay just to sit and watch her drink a coffee. That most likely will lead to poor performance. She already has you hooked so why put out extra effort? Most likely she will think that if you are willing to pay just to sit with her that she can ask for the moon and most likely the SD will concede and even if there is negotiation it will end up in her favor.

If for some reason the SD feels he needs to pay for a M&G maybe he should look and try to determine why. Is it because he is looking for a sure thing? If so then possibly a agency or pro would be a better choice.

If it is difficult to get a meet with a SB are the goals to high? If you are looking for 8-9 maybe a better practice is to look for a 5-6 and work on your game. As your game gets better go for the 8-9 SB. We have to be realistic with our expectations and who we are and what we a are looking for.

Looking for a better class of BP girl shouldn't be what this is about and while everyone has a different idea and the scale can run from one extreme to the other the true SB / SD relationship isn't based solely on how much you can wow her with money.

Here's one that says she gets $800/ meet. Read the profile. It's worth it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a19d60a-a982-4068-8a38-101905ae8a22[/URL]

A SW I guess was new and offered in a convo GFE and I said sure. Next thing I know my account got banned because now I was soliciting, LOL. Anyone have experience with this? If I create a different account with a different email does it work around that? Do I need to use a diff cc too?