[QUOTE=Rudraidhe;1587141].don't you suppose that records of calls from official USN phone numbers would be cause for NCIS interest?[/QUOTE]This is why I'm thankful for Google Voice!
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[QUOTE=Rudraidhe;1587141].don't you suppose that records of calls from official USN phone numbers would be cause for NCIS interest?[/QUOTE]This is why I'm thankful for Google Voice!
[QUOTE=Rudraidhe;1587141]There you go. You narrowed it down to the possibility of USN patrons. Understanding that there's no sign-in sheet in the spa, don't you suppose that records of calls from official USN phone numbers would be cause for NCIS interest?[/QUOTE]But I recall one of the articles mentioning that Peach had names and personal info on patrons. Phone numbers and emails are the usual means of setting up appointments. Unless they asked to see some form of I'd upon entrance?
This why I use a pre paid phone and pay cash. Its harder to gather info that way. I try to park away from the entrance so that the cameras won't pick up my tags too.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven;1587787]This why I use a pre paid phone and pay cash. Its harder to gather info that way. I try to park away from the entrance so that the cameras won't pick up my tags too.[/QUOTE]Does anybody know for SURE if the cameras record what they see? Or do they just provide a "peep hole" view for the occupants to see what is outside the door. I "Heard" one time that they were used by management to check provider times to match the take, but that was third-hand info.
Would like to know for sure, so I can be more careful about my tags. BTW, on one of the MP review sites, I once found a picture of my vehicle outside the Spa. Talk about a headache!
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[QUOTE=Any Mouse; 1588008]Does anybody know for SURE if the cameras record what they see? Or do they just provide a "peep hole" view for the occupants to see what is outside the door. I "Heard" one time that they were used by management to check provider times to match the take, but that was third-hand info.
Would like to know for sure, so I can be more careful about my tags. BTW, on one of the MP review sites, I once found a picture of my vehicle outside the Spa. Talk about a headache!
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I don't think its that complicated. LEO was probably just monitoring the people going in and coming out and running the plates and recording the information. Pretty easy to cross reference owners with address and place of employment.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish;1588460]I don't think its that complicated. LEO was probably just monitoring the people going in and coming out and running the plates and recording the information. Pretty easy to cross reference owners with address and place of employment.[/QUOTE]I would think, If one visits such place, that doesn't mean that said person actually participated in anything.
Also if one was in such a place and LEO decides to pay a visit what happens to patrons in the place?
[QUOTE=FlowMaster; 1588894]I would think, If one visits such place, that doesn't mean that said person actually participated in anything.
Also if one was in such a place and LEO decides to pay a visit what happens to patrons in the place?[/QUOTE]What has happened in the past to fellas caught inside is they were charged with "Frequenting a bawdy place" and their names with addresses are published in the newspaper along with the charges.
It is never told if they are convicted or cleared.
For some of us just having the name in the paper is the kiss of death and leads to loss of security clearance, family, home, etc. It is more than enough to keep this fat, old man out of those places in times such as these. A HJ is simply not worth it to me!
As always, YMMV and others have other stories to tell.
Excellent website for news and information.
[url]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/url]
Worth reading to see how Uncle is operating. People getting caught up in this violate many basic guidelines.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dark-world-of-prostitution-turns-to-the-day/2012/12/17/d26f9842-432a-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html[/url]
No other nominations are being accepted. This guy takes the cake.
He didn't just call police to report that a girl shortchanged him by 10 minutes, leading to his own and her arrest, as well as that of a second girl:
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/nh-man-charged-after-telling-cops-alleged-prostitute-owed-him-10-more-minutes/[/url]
To add to his stupidity, he's been using his real name and phone, and is listed on bad-client boards.
He reportedly is listed on two websites where escorts share complaints about problem clients, National Blacklist and Bad Boy Client List. He is described as being "notorious for booking out-calls and then not answering his door or phone."
It also turns out that girls have called the police on him for booking dances then not answering the door.
[url]http://www.generationbeta.com/?cat=16[/url]
This guy will never get civilian or pro action again in his life.
Interesting. Thai Massage in Fairfax? Most activity was in Wash State, but included some in Fairfax. As usual, its Human Trafficking. Article available via news search. Cannot post link due to posting guidelines. May PM for article if you like.
I should have said I will respond to those I know, or who are trusted Seniors. If you have no / few reports, do your own research.
[QUOTE=Any Mouse;1697808]Interesting. Thai Massage in Fairfax? Most activity was in Wash State, but included some in Fairfax. As usual, its Human Trafficking. Article available via news search. Cannot post link due to posting guidelines. May PM for article if you like.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Any Mouse;1697962]I should have said I will respond to those I know, or who are trusted Seniors. If you have no / few reports, do your own research.[/QUOTE]Multi State Thai bust is a HOAX!
[QUOTE=Any Mouse;1697808]Interesting. Thai Massage in Fairfax? Most activity was in Wash State, but included some in Fairfax. As usual, its Human Trafficking. Article available via news search. Cannot post link due to posting guidelines. May PM for article if you like.[/QUOTE]Thai women brought to US to work as prostitutes!
I guess those Thai women thought they could make more money in the US.
Must be too much competition for those Thai women back in Phuket, Bangkok, or Pattaya!
The experiences of an investigative reporter in Vermont. He uses resources just like you and I, and we wonder why some spots have problems!
[url]http://www.7dvt.com/2013inside-vermonts-asian-sex-market[/url]
So a handjob is prostitution? Looks like there's nothing going on up there either.
I'm somewhat curious as to how much manpower / money / time goes into these stings in relation to the results on average. With the economy the way it has been, is this REALLY the best use of taxpayer money? I get that human trafficking is awful, but how often are there any of these victims actually taken out of there?
After re-reading the article, I just do not think these so-called signs mean anything, other than that they are common to AMP business, and are used as an excuse by LEO to build up arrest count in an easy fashion by picking on vulnerable folk. Here are the signs listed, along with my comments.
1. No apparent cash registers or documentation of transactions;
Never have I seen a cash register in an AMP. Anywhere in the world. Even where full on prostitution is legal.
2. All-male clientele;
Not necessarily so around here, but am told that Ladies do appear from time to time. Same is true for escorts.
3. An abundant use of surveillance cameras, locked doors and buzzers to screen customers;
With cash inside and few workers on board (especially late) Seems like reasonable precautions to me.
4. Windows covered with bars, boards or curtains.
Would you want your ass showing to anyone who walked by? Bars on Windows? See 3 above.
5 The workers were all Asian women who claimed to work seven days a week.
Probably true. To me this just seems that the Asian ladies want to make as much as possible in the limited time that they have while they are still young enough to be attractive.
6. Live on the premises.
Do not believe this happens here. No blankets allowed. No cooking on site, etc. Pretty boring existence.
The whole human traffic in an AMP is ridiculous. These LE agencies are just trying to make it sound better that they raided an AMP instead of a crack house.
I had mentioned to one girl last year that after leaving the MP I was going house hunting. She started educating me on house prices where she was getting ready to buy. She actually knew a lot about the buying process and prices in the different areas she she was looking at.
A couple times I have done to different AMPs directly from the gym and brought in my change of clothes. After the whole session is over some of the girls have offered to carry my gym clothes to my car for me. One girl just picked my stuff up and followed me. I was expecting her to hand my stuff back when she let me out, but she followed me all the way to the car.
I have also been to an AMP where there was only 1 girl working in the entire place. No mamasan, no other girls, just her. It was not long before closing and I had seen other girls there during day visits. As I was getting dressed I asked if she was the only one there and she said yes.
I did have a girl tell me she was staying at the MP. She said she took the spot in DC because she'd been told there was good money to be made. She said she lived in NY and was not staying permanently so didn't want to spend the money getting a place. She said it is a common practice for the girls to rotate to different areas if the opportunity to make good money comes up.
[QUOTE=Any Mouse; 1781721]The experiences of an investigative reporter in Vermont. He uses resources just like you and I, and we wonder why some spots have problems!
[url]http://www.7dvt.com/2013inside-vermonts-asian-sex-market[/url][/QUOTE]Bingo! Some mongers on here give the argument that LE already knows the names of these establishments so no need to be all cutesy with the reviews. Well I'm not worried about LE, I'm more worried about the regular civilian Joe Blows, either some goody two shoes or an investigative reporter like the one in the article, coming across monger boards where there is too much info being posted.
[QUOTE=Guitarman1; 1784255]The whole human traffic in an AMP is ridiculous. These LE agencies are just trying to make it sound better that they raided an AMP instead of a crack house.
I had mentioned to one girl last year that after leaving the MP I was going house hunting. She started educating me on house prices where she was getting ready to buy. She actually knew a lot about the buying process and prices in the different areas she she was looking at.
One girl just picked my stuff up and followed me. I was expecting her to hand my stuff back when she let me out, but she followed me all the way to the car.
I have also been to an AMP where there was only 1 girl working in the entire place. No mamasan, no other girls, just her.
I did have a girl tell me she was staying at the MP. She said she took the spot in DC because she'd been told there was good money to be made. She said she lived in NY and was not staying permanently so didn't want to spend the money getting a place. She said it is a common practice for the girls to rotate to different areas if the opportunity to make good money comes up.[/QUOTE]I've met girls at AMPs who gave me their cell phone numbers, and one girl asked me to pick her up at the end of her last day at 1818. I took her sightseeing for a few hours, browsed a record store with her, sat in a coffee shop for a while, then took her to the bus station. Another girl asked if I wouldn't mind picking her up at the spa and driving her to BWI, because she was flying to Vegas for vacation.
Both girls showed me their passports, which were NOT taken away to keep them trapped. They said they worked long hours in AMPs to save up a lot of money quickly, then take a nice vacation and buy expensive shoes and purses.
Don't know if anyone (Ginger Man, are you reading this?) remembers Sue from the spa on 14th St. Many years ago (she was famous for her toe-sucking technique) , but she gave me her number, and I spoke to her a few times, until the night I called and her American boyfriend asked who was on the phone, then took it from her and told me she wasn't interested in talking to me anymore.
Saying all AMPs are trafficking is like saying that all moonshine is poison that will make you blind. The bad actors are used to go after everyone, and the real issue is control, not safety.
[QUOTE=Any Mouse; 1781721]The experiences of an investigative reporter in Vermont. He uses resources just like you and I, and we wonder why some spots have problems!
[url]http://www.7dvt.com/2013inside-vermonts-asian-sex-market[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link, interesting read, especially the local criminal investigation that prompted his investigative piece. I wouldn't be too quick to extrapolate our experiences around here-a major metro area with a sizable Asian population-to places like Bennington Vermont. I can't see money necessarily working as the sole inducement for women to travel there to work.
Not very informative for details, but a needed read.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/more-than-20-men-arrested-in-fairfax-prostitution-sting/2013/08/21/2f0a6fca-0a61-11e3-9941-6711ed662e71_story.html[/url]
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You got that right. I`ve had them come crash at my house, sleep for 2-days eat sleep eat sleep then wake up & ready to go taking me out on their dime for weeks at a time!
[QUOTE=Bunker Buster; 1784554]I've met girls at AMPs who gave me their cell phone numbers, and one girl asked me to pick her up at the end of her last day at 1818. I took her sightseeing for a few hours, browsed a record store with her, sat in a coffee shop for a while, then took her to the bus station. Another girl asked if I wouldn't mind picking her up at the spa and driving her to BWI, because she was flying to Vegas for vacation.
Both girls showed me their passports, which were NOT taken away to keep them trapped. They said they worked long hours in AMPs to save up a lot of money quickly, then take a nice vacation and buy expensive shoes and purses.
Don't know if anyone (Ginger Man, are you reading this?) remembers Sue from the spa on 14th St. Many years ago (she was famous for her toe-sucking technique) , but she gave me her number, and I spoke to her a few times, until the night I called and her American boyfriend asked who was on the phone, then took it from her and told me she wasn't interested in talking to me anymore.
Saying all AMPs are trafficking is like saying that all moonshine is poison that will make you blind. The bad actors are used to go after everyone, and the real issue is control, not safety.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2013/101113humantraffickinggrant.htm[/URL]
[quote=jicks;1902518][url]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2013/101113humantraffickinggrant.htm[/url][/quote]the lazy porkers are going to spend most of that money busting independent girls, because they're too cowardly to go after the foreign gangs doing most of the trafficking, especially of **** girls.
most trafficking is mexicans, salvadorians, and chinese, but the cops are going to roll up a lot of white and black american girls, then crow about how they're 'saving' victims of trafficking.
[quote=bunkerbuster;1903341]the lazy porkers are going to spend most of that money busting independent girls, because they're too cowardly to go after the foreign gangs doing most of the trafficking, especially of **** girls.
most trafficking is mexicans, salvadorians, and chinese, but the cops are going to roll up a lot of white and black american girls, then crow about how they're 'saving' victims of trafficking.[/quote]i guess i'm interested to see these "innovative" approaches. again, i understand the need to get the **** and forced women out the game but let the ones eligible to play. play. something else (another crime) will rise because they're using that money to do this.
[QUOTE=Jicks;1902518][URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2013/101113humantraffickinggrant.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]All the more reason to be discreet with your postings, especially with MP reviews. LE knows most of the spots but it's the Joe Blow "we are against human trafficking" citizen advocacy groups and investigative reporters that cruise through public monger boards.
That is the norm these days. Law Enforcement is all about stats, not about really stopping crime or helping anyone. They make the easy busts that end up getting the ho's that are just trying to make a living, and completely bypass the actual gangs and organized criminals that are trafficking humans. Go after soft targets, get nice looking arrest stats, don't actually make a difference. Law enforcement at its best.
Last week 15 guys got picked up and 2 providers from Oakland (March 14-15) - but no mention in any of the news outlets?
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/crime/arrest.txt[/URL]
[QUOTE=JustaNon75;2039147]Last week 15 guys got picked up and 2 providers from Oakland (March 14-15) - but no mention in any of the news outlets?
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/crime/arrest.txt[/URL][/QUOTE]We get a lot of visits from West Coast girls, so apparently two of them let their guard down and got busted. For the men, the cops put up an ad, get a hotel room and bust the guys when they make the mistake of discussing $ for any kind of sex act. They'll either use an undercover female cop or I've read reports that they sometimes use providers they've previously arrested because they get some kind of deal for assisting LEO.
Sometimes LEO makes a big publicity push for these stings and sometimes they don't. Also, if there's a lot of other news going on the story may not be picked up by the press for that reason.
The bottom line is that everyone needs to stay smart, do their homework and look out for themselves. Although there are no 100% guarantees, staying with well-reviewed providers instead of chasing every new ad that pops up is one way to play smart. Another important point is to never, never, never discuss $. You should know the donation ahead of time and just drop it somewhere without saying a word. If the provider doesn't put her requested donation on her site or in her ad, you may need to ask her about it when you call to set up the appt. But you should never say anything remotely related to sex during that call because you have no idea if it's being recorded. Same thing goes for text messages and emails.
FYI, VA is a "one party consent" state, which means that LEO doesn't need your permission to record your call. DC is the same but MD is a "two party consent" state. But that applies only to calls made entirely within MD and calls made between states may not be protected. Also anything involving the Feds comes under "one party consent" rules.
Be smart and stay safe!
[QUOTE=JustaNon75;2039147]Last week 15 guys got picked up and 2 providers from Oakland (March 14-15) - but no mention in any of the news outlets?
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/crime/arrest.txt[/URL][/QUOTE]Probably a lawsuit from a hobbyist or indication that stings will continue.
[QUOTE=JustaNon75;2039147]Last week 15 guys got picked up and 2 providers from Oakland (March 14-15) - but no mention in any of the news outlets?
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/crime/arrest.txt[/URL][/QUOTE]Holy crap! One of the guys on the list is my neighbor!
[QUOTE=Max#01;2040768]Holy crap! One of the guys on the list is my neighbor![/QUOTE]Sometimes information is removed from that file. Might be something to keep an eye on. This site use to keep an archive of all the records.
[URL]http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/arrests/[/URL]
Here's a link to the USASG discussion from the SFO board (scroll down for the CNN story):
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7080-News-and-Media-Reports[/URL]
My first thought was whether BP might be a similar target but, the more I think about it, the more I think the differences are substantial enough that BP should be safe. Besides, BP is owned by Village Voice Media and I'm sure they have pretty good lawyers on their payroll.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2135436]Here's a link to the USASG discussion from the SFO board (scroll down for the CNN story):
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7080-News-and-Media-Reports[/URL]
My first thought was whether BP might be a similar target but, the more I think about it, the more I think the differences are substantial enough that BP should be safe. Besides, BP is owned by Village Voice Media and I'm sure they have pretty good lawyers on their payroll.[/QUOTE]Closed. If it was trafficking children, I'm all for it. People should be behind this even if we're in this hobby. No matter reason you're in this hobby, you should never consider that option.
[quote=playboy69;2136852]closed. if it was trafficking children, i'm all for it. people should be behind this even if we're in this hobby. no matter reason you're in this hobby, you should never consider that option.[/quote]i lived on the west coast for a number of years and that site was the primary escort / bodyrub advertising, review and forum site. it's been around for maybe 10-15 years, if not closer to 20. as any hobbyist should know by now, the standard media and le schtick when it comes to anything associated with prostitution is that it must involve "trafficking. " i don't think i've ever seen a hobby related arrest or raid where the "t" word isn't used. and that's the brainwash they feed the masses to get them to buy into our puritanical society's refusal to let consenting adults control their own bodies and behavior. other advanced countries have figured out how to legalize the hobby or at least not harass those who engage in consensual conduct. and they've also figured out how to go after the real traffickers while leaving the rest alone.
the rb site was no more about trafficking than is bp, usasg and the other site. just like bp, they always asked the proper verification questions to try to prevent ads being posted by **** providers. and just like bp, if a provider chooses to lie about her age, there isn't anything to stop her from doing so.
[QUOTE=Playboy69;2136852]Closed. If it was trafficking children, I'm all for it. People should be behind this even if we're in this hobby. No matter reason you're in this hobby, you should never consider that option.[/QUOTE][URL]http://redlightr.io/the-myth-of-maria/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-world-cup-of-dirty-dreams-inside-brazils-most-infamous-brothel-20140626[/URL]
Two interesting articles focusing on the hobby in Brazil (guess because of the World Cup) where, even though the hobby is legal, "trafficking" is supposedly a big problem. Except both articles do a good job of demonstrating that the vast majority of sex workers are not victims but are making a conscious adult decision to do work that brings in the money they need to support themselves and their families. And the articles also point the finger squarely at government officials and anti-trafficking groups for spreading the trafficking myth, despite the lack of a factual basis, to further their own agendas.
One last note is that the articles are not saying, and I'm certainly not saying, that trafficking isn't occurring in some areas and circumstances. But the scourge of actual trafficking is never going to be solved by policy and legislation fed in large part by mythology and not by facts.