[QUOTE=David Celtic]I'm confused?[/QUOTE]
Sorry about the name mix up Gerwig. Happy Mongering
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[QUOTE=David Celtic]I'm confused?[/QUOTE]
Sorry about the name mix up Gerwig. Happy Mongering
[QUOTE=Wood Wind]Sorry about the name mix up Gerwig.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I was wondering. Hope it reopens soon. They spent a small fortune on equipment (have you seen that back room?!!!) and remodeling and it would be a shame to see it go under permanently because they didn't understand HoCo politics.
[QUOTE=Mandruas]Ok, I was wondering. Hope it reopens soon. They spent a small fortune on equipment (have you seen that back room?!!!) and remodeling and it would be a shame to see it go under permanently because they didn't understand HoCo politics.[/QUOTE]
You are optimistic. This is the 2nd time this year it has been closed, if the owners reopen it wouldn't they move it somewhere else? HOCO seems more active then they have been in many years.
It is shame and waste when a spa shuts down. We can use some new spots.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]You are optimistic. This is the 2nd time this year it has been closed, if the owners reopen it wouldn't they move it somewhere else? HOCO seems more active then they have been in many years.[/QUOTE]
I'm TRYING to be optimistic. It's in a perfect spot for me and the providers treated me like a king, and if the owners move, they'll have lost what they spent to remodel at G and will have to spend it again somewhere else, but I realize that the chances of seeing either provider again at that location are slim/none. :(
[QUOTE=Feetman]"However, a CMT in MD is not even allowed to massage a person undraped, let alone touch a client inappropriately. Without that license they cannot work."
My point is a CMT can still have sexual relations with a friend. As long as money is not exchanged for the act. In other words, a CMT can be with a friend and not a client.
The money can represent a gift, as long as there is no contractual agreement.[/QUOTE]
You're way off. A CMT cannot be found to be having sexual relations of any kind with a client. If you are in the place of business and not an employee, the police and DLLR are going to treat you as a client, even if you don't have any money on you when they take the door.
Enough of this Google Law School shit. Face facts, you ain't getting out of a charge if you happen to be boning some broad when the doors get knocked down. Just hope and pray that your girl knows how to get dressed in a hurry and keep that draping handy.
More to the point, you very rarely see men charged with any crime in a raid, since the investigation is targeting the spa, not the clients. Most of the time the police close the place, the girls there are charged with solicitation that lands on the stet docket, DLLR fines them and suspends their ability to work as a CMT in MD. DA's are hesitant to really prosecute the cases because the majority of the evidence is weak and is inadmissible in court. Even worse for the knocko's, the majority of the statements given by clients are taken under heavy pressure by law enforcement.
Someone on the Baltimore SW board said a long time ago "they can take you whenever they want to", referring to the police. It's true, and they can make your life turn to shit ASAP whenever they want to - see my post from two years ago where a cop tried to convince a friend of mind to admit he was looking for SW's and then threatening to ask his wife if she knew her husband was in an area "known for drugs and prostitution".
Go to AMPs, have fun, get laid - but stop suggesting that you can avoid problems by "being friends", etc. It's all false. Just hope it isn't you in that spot when they try and jam the place up.
Sign on the door says they will reopen in September, and I really needed a legitimate massage after playing golf yesterday.
[QUOTE=Harpo 8]Sign on the door says they will reopen in September... [/QUOTE]
Ouch! :( Probably a good move though. The providers need a vacation, and maybe by then LE will have become tired of playing morality police and will go back to harassing speeders.
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]Go to AMPs, have fun, get laid - but stop suggesting that you can avoid problems by "being friends", etc. It's all false. Just hope it isn't you in that spot when they try and jam the place up.[/QUOTE]
Yes. The proper response is always: "I came here looking for relief from ____ (fill in the blank) pain and am shocked to learn that anything illegal was going on here.".
[QUOTE=Mandruas]Ouch! :( Probably a good move though. The providers need a vacation, and maybe by then LE will have become tired of playing morality police and will go back to harassing speeders.[/QUOTE]
Kyoto's recent closure could have something to do with the Korean Baptist Church moving in on the second floor of the building too.
Wow, my pea sized brain is exploding with things to say about how ironic it is if true that there is a church above and an AMP below. I will try and restrain myself. OK, I tried. It didn't work.
The difference between the K ladies above and below is that the ones below are more honest, most likely richer and know when to close their mouths. I know which floor I would like to leave my donation. If the young K girls want to go on a missionary I believe there may be a position open only a few short steps away.
One for the IRS, if there is a church on the property could I somehow claim my AMP expenses as a indirect church donation? No? Please?
OK, let the PMs begin.
BTW I have never participated in or witnessed any unlawful activities at any AMPs that I have come to be at.
Amen,
Nah He
Excellent work! :P
[QUOTE=Nah He]Wow, my pea sized brain is exploding with things to say about how ironic it is if true that there is a church above and an AMP below. I will try and restrain myself. OK, I tried. It didn't work.
The difference between the K ladies above and below is that the ones below are more honest, most likely richer and know when to close their mouths. I know which floor I would like to leave my donation. If the young K girls want to go on a missionary I believe there may be a position open only a few short steps away.
One for the IRS, if there is a church on the property could I somehow claim my AMP expenses as a indirect church donation? No? Please?
OK, let the PMs begin.
BTW I have never participated in or witnessed any unlawful activities at any AMPs that I have come to be at.
Amen,
Nah He[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]You're way off. A CMT cannot be found to be having sexual relations of any kind with a client. If you are in the place of business and not an employee, the police and DLLR are going to treat you as a client, even if you don't have any money on you when they take the door.
Enough of this Google Law School shit. Face facts, you ain't getting out of a charge if you happen to be boning some broad when the doors get knocked down. Just hope and pray that your girl knows how to get dressed in a hurry and keep that draping handy.
More to the point, you very rarely see men charged with any crime in a raid, since the investigation is targeting the spa, not the clients. Most of the time the police close the place, the girls there are charged with solicitation that lands on the stet docket, DLLR fines them and suspends their ability to work as a CMT in MD. The's are hesitant to really prosecute the cases because the majority of the evidence is weak and is inadmissible in court. Even worse for the knocko's, the majority of the statements given by clients are taken under heavy pressure by law enforcement.
Someone on the Baltimore SW board said a long time ago "they can take you whenever they want to", referring to the police. It's true, and they can make your life turn to shit ASAP whenever they want to. See my post from two years ago where a cop tried to convince a friend of mind to admit he was looking for SW's and then threatening to ask his wife if she knew her husband was in an area "known for drugs and prostitution".
Go to AMPs, have fun, get laid. But stop suggesting that you can avoid problems by "being friends", etc. It's all false. Just hope it isn't you in that spot when they try and jam the place up.[/QUOTE]I can't help it if you misinterpret my post. My point still is, it is your own mouth or fear of getting busted that ususally gets you into trouble. The policemans game is intimidation. Unless someone can prove that money is being exchanged than it is not a crime. What they were doing to your friend is part of that intimidation.
[QUOTE=Feetman]I can't help it if you misinterpret my post. My point still is, it is your own mouth or fear of getting busted that ususally gets you into trouble. The policemans game is intimidation. Unless someone can prove that money is being exchanged than it is not a crime. What they were doing to your friend is part of that intimidation.[/QUOTE]
you're wrong. If you are there - you're pretty much at their mercy if you and your girl aren't near 100% dressed. Money doesn't even need to be in the room.
Look, if they stop you upon exit, you're dead on. Assuming they don't follow you home and stop you as you are walking in the front door (read the Rainbow case file if you don't believe me).
We play a game under their rules. Just about nothing we say can change the outcome if the hammer drops and your inside. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]If you are there - you're pretty much at their mercy if you and your girl aren't near 100% dressed. Money doesn't even need to be in the room.[/QUOTE]
No. You were there to have a massage for recurrent ____ pain. You had to get undressed for that. You were not aware of what she was or wasn't wearing. You had no idea that anything illegal was going on in that establishment, because nothing illegal ever occurred in YOUR presence.
If they want to arrest (or harass) you under those circumstances, let them. There are lots of good lawyers in MaryLand and the county has lots of money, enough in fact to keep you in massages for the rest of your life and maybe for a new car besides.
[QUOTE=Mandruas]No. You were there to have a massage for recurrent ____ pain. You had to get undressed for that. You were not aware of what she was or wasn't wearing. You had no idea that anything illegal was going on in that establishment, because nothing illegal ever occurred in YOUR presence.
If they want to arrest (or harass) you under those circumstances, let them. There are lots of good lawyers in MaryLand and the county has lots of money, enough in fact to keep you in massages for the rest of your life and maybe for a new car besides.[/QUOTE]
You being naked with a drape is ok in the state of MD.
Here is a section of the MD laws:
[Quote]
.05 Professional Boundaries.
A. A certificate holder or registration holder shall:
(1) Maintain professional boundaries, even when the client initiates crossing the professional boundaries of the professional relationship; and
(2) Respect and maintain professional boundaries and respect the client's reasonable expectation of professional conduct.
B. A certificate holder or registration holder may not:
(1) Exploit a relationship with a client for the certificate holder's or registration holder's personal advantage, including, but not limited to, a personal, sexual, romantic, or financial relationship;
(2) Engage in a sexually intimate act with a client; or
(3) Engage in sexual misconduct that includes, but is not limited to:
(a) Therapeutic deception,
(b) Non bona fide treatment, or
(c) A sexually exploitative relationship.
[/Quote]
Source: [url]http://dhmh.maryland.gov/massage/comar.html[/url]
Bottom line if she is your friend and or sex partner she can NOT have you as a client. So if she wants to have sex with you she has to stop being your therapist.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]You being naked with a drape is ok in the state of MD.
Bottom line if she is your friend and or sex partner she can NOT have you as a client. So if she wants to have sex with you she has to stop being your therapist.[/QUOTE]
But I should have said that you're pretty much screwed if she's not 100% dressed. Of course you're allowed to be nude with the exception of a drape. The point still stands though - and no LE/DA in the world is going to accept the excuse that "Aw shucks, how was I to know that she wuz gettin' undressed, tee hee".
Moreover, no Wife/SO in the world is going to buy that bullshit line, which I think is the bigger concern for the majority of us. Men don't get charged with a crime from AMP busts (generally), but do they ever get served with divorce papers.
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]you're wrong. If you are there - you're pretty much at their mercy if you and your girl aren't near 100% dressed. Money doesn't even need to be in the room.
Look, if they stop you upon exit, you're dead on. Assuming they don't follow you home and stop you as you are walking in the front door (read the Rainbow case file if you don't believe me).
We play a game under their rules. Just about nothing we say can change the outcome if the hammer drops and your inside. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.[/QUOTE]
and I am told of the 30+ guys they stopped, two talked. Gave up everything. Did not need to, but were intimidated.
[QUOTE=Nah He]Wow, my pea sized brain is exploding with things to say about how ironic it is if true that there is a church above and an AMP below. I will try and restrain myself. OK, I tried. It didn't work.
The difference between the K ladies above and below is that the ones below are more honest, most likely richer and know when to close their mouths. I know which floor I would like to leave my donation. If the young K girls want to go on a missionary I believe there may be a position open only a few short steps away.
One for the IRS, if there is a church on the property could I somehow claim my AMP expenses as a indirect church donation? No? Please?
OK, let the PMs begin.
BTW I have never participated in or witnessed any unlawful activities at any AMPs that I have come to be at.
Amen,
Nah He[/QUOTE]
I agree with Twisted, This is a priceless report. Who would believe a Church would move into the same building. I can just see the church members protesting about the spa and carrying signs, et.al... Boy, Sunny/Kathy surely new when to leave...
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]and I am told of the 30+ guys they stopped, two talked. Gave up everything. Did not need to, but were intimidated.[/QUOTE]
One county over was raided after four men spoke up. Mentioned specifics about girls (piercings, color of dresses, etc.) and services. Four fuckers stopped in the middle of the street, under no legal obligation to disclose anything about anything ruined it for the people inside that place when the door got took.
Rainbow was in trouble primarily because DLLR got involved - it turns out that in these kinds of cases the PD's get to keep the cash (held as evidence in a trial that will never occur, generally), while the licensing board fines all CMTs accused in the process. Hefty fines in the multiple thousands of dollars. Big deal type shit.
No excuse is going to save you when the cops come looking. Your only mission, should you have the balls to accept...is to keep your god damned mouth shut. You'd much rather have your name in the case file as a person that provided no info (and therefore unnecessary to contact going forward) instead of getting served while in front of the family.
AMP Legal Theory 101...
Visited the yarn factory recently. Been ages since I'd been there (K was my last letter), so I wasn't expecting much.
Place was quiet, met a young-looking (probably mid 30s) k-girl that had a name sounding like May. Pretty, very pleasant. Tried to haggle before I even sat down at the bargaining table. Excellent cloth salesman that I am, I told her "enough". Nice back-walking massage later, I was out the door.
Stay frosty.
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]Rainbow was in trouble primarily because DLLR got involved - it turns out that in these kinds of cases the PD's get to keep the cash (held as evidence in a trial that will never occur, generally), while the licensing board fines all CMTs accused in the process. Hefty fines in the multiple thousands of dollars. Big deal type shit.[/QUOTE]Aha!
I've been trying to figure out WTFH has been going on. The usual explanations "election year", "neighbors complained". Etc. Etc. Just haven't been holding water. Doug "deserves a kick in the balls" Duncan tried to ride this hobby horse into the governor's mansion, so that was a odd year. But once he was gone things never returned to 'normal' (MonkeyCo is still completely empty). I' haven't been able to figure out why it's been such a big deal, why the gendarmes have been such pricks.
Major recession, so tax collections down. All the state, county and muni are hurting for funds. So they they resort to armed robbery. It all makes sense now.
I hadn't been keeping up. Headed over 32 up the snow. Big Sticker on the door. I'm searching the forum for the detail.
Happy Mongering
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]AMP Legal Theory 101...
Visited the yarn factory recently. Been ages since I'd been there (K was my last letter), so I wasn't expecting much.
Place was quiet, met a young-looking (probably mid 30s) k-girl that had a name sounding like May. Pretty, very pleasant. Tried to haggle before I even sat down at the bargaining table. Excellent cloth salesman that I am, I told her "enough". Nice back-walking massage later, I was out the door.
Stay frosty.[/QUOTE]
Had a laugh at this one. As an experienced mongerer, I think her negotiating skills are lacking... The real tough negotiators know to try for more when they have things in hand and tease you into your weaker moment!
Been there, done that
So, soaked from the rain, sore from getting my fat ass to the gym, I needed a Liliputian to assist me in my efforts. I did take three strikes but was awarded another opportunity that satisfied my needs.
Strike 1: Rolled by Jessup and saw a ton of folks hanging out in front of the spa. I had fun there a while back, but decided that people = problems, so I promptly left and.
Strike 2: went to Costco. Closed for the evening. I'm now convinced she's running this spot by herself. It wasn't even 10 pm yet! Onwards,
Strike 3: this time looking for the worm, found it behind the Subway. Scoped the lot, all clear in front, but still decided I wanted to park in front of my boy Jarod's spot. Came around the corner only to spy LE (one marked, one unmarked) sitting facing the shopping center. While it didn't seem like a set up, I would have felt better if they were looking out towards traffic, given the weather. No need to stare at an empty strip mall, unless you're looking for something, that is.
Undeterred, I went down the Blvd. and settled for the frog pad. I haven't been here in...years. Really, it has been so long (which is funny, as this is where I got my start. Looked at the door and was shocked that they were open as late as 2 on some nights. Rang the bell and met the manager, who didn't like me off the break, but I drew my type of lady despite the attitude from the boss.
Lo and behold, it's the K-Girl version of our 1st Lady! Just shorter, bustier, and Korean. Excellent massage, one that would make the chicks at Massage Envy green with...Envy. Serious points for the back walking and what not.
Tried hard to upsell, I played coy and finally decided to show my hand. It just happened to be three fingers instead of the five I was hiding in my palm. Not sure what the deal is, but sounds like the five finger deal may get you some kind of Presidential pardon or something. I might just go back...
Has Kyoto closed?
I called earlier this evening and no one answered the phone.
Any info would help.
Thanks,
Jigglers
[QUOTE=Jigglers88]Has Kyoto closed?
I called earlier this evening and no one answered the phone.
Any info would help.
Thanks,
Jigglers[/QUOTE]
YES.
Supposedly until Sept 2010, so we will have to wait and see.
If you are looking for AMP experience that is pretty good, I might suggest a recently discovered find at Lilly's in Laurel. Ask for Sonya.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Supposedly until Sept 2010, so we will have to wait and see. If you are looking for AMP experience that is pretty good, I might suggest a recently discovered find at Lilly's in Laurel. Ask for Sonya.[/QUOTE]
The trouble with the Lilly Pad is that the walls don't go all the way up, and everyone hears everything. Hey, I can't help it, I'm shy! :)
I expect that KY will reopen in September, but I'm not so confident about GS. What a shame, they're wonderful people. Have you heard anything more?
[QUOTE=Mandruas]The trouble with the Lilly Pad is that the walls don't go all the way up, and everyone hears everything. Hey, I can't help it, I'm shy! :)
I expect that KY will reopen in September, but I'm not so confident about GS. What a shame, they're wonderful people. Have you heard anything more?[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right about that, but in my experience at Lilly's they do not place mongers in adjacent rooms, I have always been shown to a room with at least 2 empty rooms between me and the next guy. So its not too bad.
I have not heard anything more about Ky or GS.
Recently tried Sonya at Lily's per Brahmabull's suggestion and have to say it was well worth it. Although the massage was not hard enough for my liking and I'd say mediocre at best, the flip for a simple R&T was one of the most enjoyable I've ever had.
Will repeat.
With K's in Columbia on summer break I decided to try a different school. I was tracing the steps of the 9/11 hijackers and discovered the much talked about Lilly's. Drove up to the front door and bounced right in. I rang the school bell and the head teacher met me at the door. She took my hand and led me to my classroom and asked for my tuition. I opted for a 1 hour class and forked over .7. I changed into my school clothes and in popped my teacher, Cherry. My first impression was to ask for a substitute teacher but being shy and it being my first day in school I decided to see how the class went. She is a K girl with a husky voice. Not sure if she breaks the 100lb line on the scale and her milk duds are there but you have to look closely. Once I decided to stay in school we walked hand in hand to the washroom, then the hot box and then back to the class room. This girl is the closest in attitude to YuMi at K's that I have ever found. She may not be to everyone’s liking but I left with a smile on my face and no homework. I will sign up for another class once my student aid comes in.
Nah He
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Nice post Nah He, very creative. It might get me back in the door again, maybe. Any sign of women with less husky voices?
Sorry Bmore, the only teacher's conference I attended was with Cherry and the Head teacher. I heard a male voice talking and when school let out there was a young lady sleeping on the floor of the teachers lounge. The bottom of her feet were cute but YMMV....
Maybe I should have stayed after school... thing is that once my homework is done my pencil needs a rest....
Nah He
[QUOTE=Bmore Slim]Nice post Nah He, very creative. It might get me back in the door again, maybe. Any sign of women with less husky voices?[/QUOTE]
Sonya/Sonia's voice is lovely the only smoke smell on her was 2nd hand (unfortunately most of the staff at Lilly's smoke so even if your provider does not smoke being in the room with the rest has an effect), so it was not over powering.
Highly recommend a visit to Sonya.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Sonya/Sonia's voice is lovely the only smoke smell on her was 2nd hand Highly recommend a visit to Sonya.[/QUOTE]
You mean there are Korean providers who don't smell like smoke and garlic? I thought it was in the DNA. When I first become involved in the hobby, every time I smelled smoke and garlic I got an erection, and couldn't go to Italian restaurants for years!
Sonia sounds good, but those walls have ears. Speaking of privacy, I wonder if you ever went to the AMP in Lansdowne that had the "VIP entrance" in the rear? I forget the name of it now, but you went in and sat on a sofa with "Papasan" and maybe 2 or 3 mongers and watched TV and/or a fishbowl until it was your turn. Then you got to view a lineup and take your pick. Wild stuff, more like NY than Balmer, but needless to say it didn't last very long.
After all the glowing reports about "Sonya" I had to give it a try.
"She on "vacation". She be back 2 week". Dag!!!
So much for that....
But having made the trip to Laurel (WTF is that at Savage and Rt 1???!!!) I decided to TOFTT, and emphatically conveyed my disappointment that "Sonya" wasn't there to Mamasan and requested a substitute of the spinner variety. JACKPOT!!! And like BB said they did indeed place us well away from the other mongers. This isn't your father's Frog Pad! And although My Belle was a tad chunky for sure, she was also dee-licious!
Looks: 7
Technique: 9
Enthusiasm: 8
Will repeat.
I recently stopped by the Frog flower to see Cherry or Sonya but no joy. Told that they were not home. So I decided to TOFTT. Gave mommy my entrance fee and got ready. The bell is going off a lot and then in comes my bell ringer..... Mona.... Sorry Cherry but I think I have a new favorite. Might be a mix or maybe some minor work on the face but she has a kick ass little bod. I came home happy.
She has big A's or little B's. Not an ounce of fat, long legs. She said she is lightly trimmed. Great ass, clean as a whistle.
Nah He
[QUOTE=Nah He]I recently stopped by the Frog flower to see Cherry or Sonya but no joy. Told that they were not home. So I decided to TOFTT. Gave mommy my entrance fee and got ready. The bell is going off a lot and then in comes my bell ringer..... Mona.... Sorry Cherry but I think I have a new favorite. Might be a mix or maybe some minor work on the face but she has a kick ass little bod. I came home happy.
She has big A's or little B's. Not an ounce of fat, long legs. She said she is lightly trimmed. Great ass, clean as a whistle.
Nah He[/QUOTE]
Is this the same Mona that was there a while back? If so she is definately one to see.
Brahmabull, this is only my 2nd visit to Froggy's patch so I am not qualified to give a history lesson. I am into Asians and she has a beautiful bod. Nice and curvy, pretty open to directions. If I wasn't married ......
oops...
Nah He
[QUOTE=Nah He]Brahmabull, this is only my 2nd visit to Froggy's patch so I am not qualified to give a history lesson. I am into Asians and she has a beautiful bod. Nice and curvy, pretty open to directions. If I wasn't married ......
oops...
Nah He[/QUOTE]
If you return before I do, ask her if she was there before and let me know. I will try to make a visit ASAP.
At the Frog Pad in Laurel. Why do I always drive past that? DUH! Next time I'll look for the Big Pawn Shop at the end. Anyway, details are provided on the Baltimore board.