Oral Sex Reports

Webdog,

Whats your (or the medical, CDC ) take on male to female or female to male (anal/oral) rimming. Alot of the AMP providers are into giving and receiving. And I'm talking with no celliphane barrier.

Thanks!

Deep

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Webdog,
Whats your (or the medical, CDC ) take on male to female or female to male (anal/oral) rimming. Alot of the AMP providers are into giving and receiving. And I'm talking with no celliphane barrier.
Deep[/QUOTE]
This is an interesting question. I have not seen any research on that -- but I will offer my own assessment (take it for what its worth).

There is very little if any blood-to-blood contact with anal rimming, so the transfer rate is very low. I am not sure I would want someone with full blown HIV anywhere near by ass. Nor do I like "digital penetration" of my anus. But classic "Asian" or "Tossing the Salad" is gentle enough that there is less risk than through other means.

The caveat is that the to ares of the body with the highest propensity for bleeding are the mouth and anus -- so it would be possible for blood to be exchanged. But it is highly unlikely.

[QUOTE=Kikyo]Straight to the point, some of you guys who's been mongering for years and with bbbj, have you ever had a problem with HPV? Should one continue with bbbj knowing the risks involved with HPV?[/QUOTE]The risks of BBBJs are most often overstated. I was worried about this in the past and did a lot of research on it. HPV is a definite risk with BBFS *or* CFS, while there is virtually zero risk of HIV with CFS (low but possible with BBFS).

In contrast, there is virtually zero risk of HIV with BBBJ -- you would need to have an open sore on your cock; she would need to have a high viral load *and* be bleeding in her mouth. And for HPV the risks are similarly low. . .
[quote]"Oral sex has become an accepted norm, yet HPV lesions are very uncommon in the mouth. Essentially, oral sex appears to have an extremely low, but not zero, risk of transmission of HPV for recent studies report high-risk HPV in approximately 1/4 of oral cancers."[/quote]The is from the FAQ list with the American Society for Colposcopy and Cervical Pathology (sounds like a fun group!) You can see the rest of the site here [url]http://cme.asccp.org/faq/histHPV.cfm[/url]

One thing I have consistently read, however, is that condoms offer little-to-zero protection from vaginal transmission of HPV. So it is not the BB but the BJ or FS that gets you (more FS than anything else).

Here is another reference which states [quote]"Almost all infections are acquired through vaginal or anal intercourse, but rarely HPV may be transmitted by oral-genital sex"[/quote] and [quote]"The male condom is not as effective at preventing HPV transmission as it is for the prevention of other STDs; the male condom does not prevent all skin-to-skin contact during sex."[/quote]see details at [url]http://www.metrokc.gov/health/apu/std/hpv.htm[/url]

So there you have it!

My new girl tells me she has herpes but has not an out break in years. I want so bad to eat her pussy because I like pussy. Is it OK? It looks very good to me.

[QUOTE=SuperD]My new girl tells me she has herpes but has not an out break in years. I want so bad to eat her pussy because I like pussy. Is it OK? It looks very good to me.[/QUOTE]My opinions are totally 100% unqualified, and no one should follow any of this unless they feel (independent of me) that it is the right decision, nor am I suggesting anyone do this. But this is what *I* would do. . .

Develop a daily regimen of 5,000MG of L-Lysine *each* (i.e., both of you).

No doctor will tell you that L-Lysine cures or prevents herpes, but I have had friends use it on my advice to get rid of cold sores (a form of herpes) within 24 hours, and I have never had a cold sore in my life.

I have heard others who have successfully used L-Lysine to prevent/suppress herpes outbreaks indefinitely. I suspect it would be enough to enable safe carpet munching.

He is my advice:

1) both of you take 5 grams (5000MG) of L-Lysine for 7 days straight before doing it; keep up at least 3MG daily afterwards (1000MG 3x day) and I would compliment with 1000MG Vitamin C (the two seem to have a synergistic event)

2) both you should gently but thoroughly wash the hell out of your genital areas with PhisoDerm daily for a week prior -- and for sure before doing the act [note: do *not* scrub hard or such that skin is raw; gently lather with generous amounts of PhisoDerm, rinse and dry thoroughly but always be careful to be gentle, you do *not* want to break the skin or make it inflamed]

3) really double-check for an outbreak before going down.

Here is a little background on L-Lysine [url]http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lysine-000312.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=WebDog]My opinions are totally 100% unqualified and no one should follow and I am not suggesting anyone do this. [/QUOTE]

You're right about that much at least...

[QUOTE=WebDog]But is what *I* would do. . .[/QUOTE]

What you meant to say here was: "What I would do is go get exposed to Herpes."


[QUOTE=WebDog]No doctor will tell you that L-Lysine cures or prevents herpes, but I have had friends use it on my advice to get rid of cold sores (a form of herpes) within 24 hours, and I have never had a cold sore in my life.[/QUOTE]

No Doctor will tell that it cures or prevents Herpes because a.) NOTHING CURES HERPES, and b.) Lysine protects against one of the several dozens of strains of Herpes Virus - and it's got nothing to do with the one that you're actually worried about.


[QUOTE=SuperD]My new girl tells me she has herpes but has not an out break in years. I want so bad to eat her pussy because I like pussy. Is it OK? It looks very good to me.[/QUOTE]

No it is not ok. Got that? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO... unless of course, you actually want Herpes - but I can't think that you do. I'm not going to throw the book at you - if you want the information badly enough you'd look it up yourself, there are innumerable free sources online for this type of thing, but the CDC is a good place to start.


Benchseats Rock

If what you are saying is that there is NO way to completely eliminate exposure to herpes, then you are right.

If what you are saying is that what I proposed would have no impact on exposure risk, you are wrong.

There are *two* strains of herpes in this context: HSV-1 (oral) and HSV-2 (genital). Show me where L-Lysine is only effective on HSV-1 and *not* HSV-2.

SuperD, please keep in mind that is all this talk and boasting done by anonymous amateurs on an internet BBS dedicated to guys who knowingly pick up and pay to have sex with women riddled with STDs. Not exactly the best place to seek medical advice.

You should not munch her or fuck her without a condom and she should be on anti-viral meds. That is the only advice that would be in the clinical realm of "safe sex."

There does not need to be visible outbreak for there to be viral release with herpes, which happens about once every 30 days with someone infected. Your girlfriend could be (is likely) having monthly outbreaks but of a very subtle nature.

If it *really* were me, I would dump her. I would not knowingly fuck or munch a chick with herpes.

But if I absolutely wanted to, I would follow the protocol I suggested. Yet taking medical advice from an anonymous internet poster is never a good idea and I don't want to imply otherwise.

BTW - the PhisoDerm has no effect on Herpes per se, but it sounded like a good idea in your case.

Thanks for all your input. I realize there are no experts here, only mongers with rxperience.

I'd like to drop her but she's my old boss. Fortunately she lives 1000 miles away and I'll see her next weekend and for 10 days in September.

She's got plenty of money (net worth $2M) and a great job.

If I screw her, I'll wear a condom.

I will not go down. Unfortunately, her pussy looks beautiful and tasty!

[QUOTE=SuperD]I'd like to drop her but she's my old boss.

She's got plenty of money (net worth $2M) and a great job.[/QUOTE]If you drop her, can I have her number? ;-)

Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]

Movie: Deep Throat, staring Linda Lovelace and Harry Reems
Book: Happy Hooker, My GF read it in college and did a fine blow job. She would blow me with warm water in her mouth, she called it, what else a warm water blow job.

Big Red

[QUOTE=Big Red50]Movie: Deep Throat, staring Linda Lovelace and Harry Reems
Book: Happy Hooker, My GF read it in college and did a fine blow job. She would blow me with warm water in her mouth, she called it, what else a warm water blow job.

Big Red[/QUOTE]

If you can find it, there is also a great instructional video that Marylin Chambers did a while ago.

Is she willing to learn? That's the biggest key. If she is...heck just rent a few porno flicks and have her practice what she sees on you. Hopefully (for you) she'll want to become a perfectionist and practive over and over and over.

Later,

Vegas

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]

I just learned alot!

[QUOTE=WebDog]I should clarify that when I say BBFS I mean vaginal sex. Bareback Anal Sex is dangerous for both parties -- the pitcher and the catcher. So essentially, MJ was doing the same thing as "f**king guys."

Eazy E and MJ (who partied together with the same women and both got AIDS) had bareback anal sex with multiple partners, including drug users and ho's with full-blown AIDS and no doubt a high viral load. That doesn't mean you'll guaranteed to get it, as female-to-male transmission very difficult. But it is the best possible chance for it. Screwing a chick with AIDS from behind is pretty much the same thing as gay sex, and carries the same risk factors.

This is also why AIDS is so in Africa, where anal sex is much more popular. A lot of women in tribal and Muslim cultures prefer anal sex because they were forced to have "female circumcision" (cutting their clit out with a rusty knife) which makes vaginal sex too uncomfortable. Plus the lack of birth control or otherwise aversion to condoms promotes more anal sex than in the west. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting[/url]

With anal sex, there is a lot more bleeding, which what you need for female-to-male transmission. Even with vaginal sex, if "female circumcision" was performed there is going to be a lot tearing and open wounds. It is a sick and sad situation. In Africa you have a lot of unprotected anal sex and a lot more bleeding with vaginal sex, thus an AIDS epidemic. These stats really belong in the "gay sex" column because there is a lot less heterosexual BBAS going in the rest of the world.

I can't speak to PZ's report, but it certainly sounds plausible as well.[/QUOTE]

Just send her my way and I'll see what I can do!! Just jokin!!

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toshiosamma]Smoking injures and ulcerates the tissues inside the mouth and throat, possibly increasing the danger of transmitting any viruses that happen to be present. I don't have a scientific study in my hand that says so, but it makes sense.

After 47 years as a nonsmoker, I smoked for a year and a half to help inspire my girlfriend to quit (which she finally did), and I can attest to the fact that if I smoke just 3 or 4 cigs a day for a week, the skin inside my mouth peels and sloughs off, and the insides of my lips end up feeling like I've been chewing razor blades. After 4 or 5 days off, the skin is back to normal, and stays that way until I smoke again.[/QUOTE]Too bad more people are not aware of this!

Thanks,

Layla South
NON Smoker!

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]

Deep:

Google and you will probably find some instructional video for the both of you to watch.

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]I wish I would have known about this site a couple years ago. I screwed around with this chic at work for a couple years who had an OK BJ technique. She was a 10 on all counts (I often wondered what she was doing with me) but in the oral dept she was a 2 MAYBE 3.

I often wondered if her Fiancé/Husband had the same thoughts. What I would have given to talk to him about it!

I just read an article that I thought would be relevant for all of us.
Apparently, oral cancer is on the rise because of DATY.

Just a caution.

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22956090/[/url]

[QUOTE=Big Dawg1087]I just read an article that I thought would be relevant for all of us.
Apparently, oral cancer is on the rise because of DATY.

Just a caution.

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22956090/[/url][/QUOTE]

At a recent visit my dentist stated there is also evidence that alcohol based mouth washes are linked to an increase in oral cancer. Ofcourse she then tried to sell me a bottle for .15. I couldnt help but wonder what I could get for .5 more.

[QUOTE=Big Dawg1087]I just read an article that I thought would be relevant for all of us.
Apparently, oral cancer is on the rise because of DATY.

Just a caution.

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22956090/[/url][/QUOTE]


I read that article too. We have to be very careful of who we choose.

[QUOTE=Deep Pleaser]Wanted to know if anyone on the Forum can recommend a site, book, movie to improve girlfriend's BJ technique from OK to Exotically Hot.

Any input greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Deep[/QUOTE]I like Nina Hartley's two videos, "Guide to Better Fellatio," and "Guide to Better Cunnilingus."

Then, practice a lot!

D

[QUOTE=Big Dawg1087]I just read an article that I thought would be relevant for all of us.

Apparently, oral cancer is on the rise because of DATY.

Just a caution.

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22956090/[/url][/QUOTE]Well, I ain't gonna let that stop me. I love having my ears squeezed.

This will bring a smile to the fans of Glenn61's work!

Note: That doesn't mean i am saying this is Glenn - just giving him his kudos for previous work - All credit from this video is per the website - covering my ass!
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[url]http://www.yuvutu.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=168694[/url]

Nice video Midwest! Thanks for sharing. I'm an admirer of Glenn61's work, from Orange County Calif. Hope to see more of your videos too!

Samurai

[QUOTE=Midwest10]This will bring a smile to the fans of Glenn61's work!

Note: That doesn't mean i am saying this is Glenn - just giving him his kudos - All credit from this video is per the website - covering my ass!
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[url]http://www.yuvutu.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=168694[/url][/QUOTE]

Three-girl BJ for 100 bucks. Interested?

Here's a description of a Japanese sex shop where customers get to choose an oral sex provider by sampling three girls.

Excerpt:

"We recommend the 40 minute course for 10,000 yen," an employee of the shop greets him at the entrance. "For that, you'll get short sample blow jobs from three girls, with each spending two to three minutes on you. Based on that, you can pick the one you like for going all the way."

Full story:

[url]http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/news/20080223p2g00m0dm002000c.html[/url]

From: Mainichi Daily News, February 28, 2008

D

[QUOTE]Whats your take on male-to-female or female-to-male (anal/oral) rimming? Alot of the AMP providers are into giving and receiving. And I'm talking with no cellophane barrier.[/quote][quote]There is very little if any blood-to-blood contact with anal rimming, so the transfer rate is very low. I am not sure I would want someone with full blown HIV anywhere near my ass. Nor do I like "digital penetration" of my anus. But classic "Asian" or "Tossing the Salad" is gentle enough that there is less risk than through other means.

The caveat is that the two areas of the body with the highest propensity for bleeding are the mouth and anus -- so it would be possible for blood to be exchanged. But it is highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]This comment completely ignores those pathogens that do not require blood-to-blood transmission, such as [b]Hepatitis[/b] and [b]Giardia,[/b] among others. While the latter can be debilitating and extremely unpleasant, Hepatitis is potentially fatal. Both can be spread by ingesting even a small amount of fecal matter. For instance, it just takes [b]one[/b] cyst to cause Giardiasis.

"Careful" washing of the anal area prior to oral contact, while mandated between "healthy" individuals, may not be sufficient if the partner is actually infected.

Use of vinyl or latex gloves and dental dams, in addition to careful washing, is highly recommended for those insisting on engaging in this risky behavior, especially with sex workers.

D

Insofar as there has been no previous mention of Giardia on this thread, I thought the following information from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) might be relevant to those engaging in AR, or analingus. It would also be useful to people traveling to foreign countries.

[quote]Giardiasis (GEE-are-DYE-uh-sis) is a diarrheal illness caused by a one-celled, microscopic parasite, [i]Giardia intestinalis[/i] (also known as [i]Giardia lamblia[/i]). Once an animal or person has been infected with [i]Giardia intestinalis,[/i] the parasite lives in the intestine and is passed in the stool. Because the parasite is protected by an outer shell, it can survive outside the body and in the environment for long periods of time.

During the past 2 decades, [i]Giardia[/i] infection has become recognized as one of the most common causes of waterborne disease (found in both drinking and recreational water) in humans in the United States. [i]Giardia[/i] are found worldwide and within every region of the United States.[/quote]
More information here:

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/Ncidod/dpd/parasites/giardiasis/factsht_giardia.htm[/url]

D

Well, I have sworn off mongering, but still monitor the board and look at the pictures. I thought I would share this with you guys. The wife, in her newfound sexual mode is into oral, both ways.

We were messing around one morning and just by chance I held her legs together and started licking just what I could reach through the vulva opening at the top of her slit. She loved it. I mean, she made me do it for like half an hour or longer. Asking her why she explained that part of it was me holding her legs together and part that I could only really get the tip of her clit. Later a put a dildo in her first and did it again and she loved it even more. I plan on tying her legs together and doing it next time we are together.

Just thought I would share the technique.

I remember doing this in younger days and most of the girls were real ticklish and about jumped or kicked me in the head. After a few times with those manuevers I kinda figured it wasnt a great idea or it was not the right thing to do.

Any other ideas would be interesting thats for sure.


[QUOTE=Gorilla69]Well, I have sworn off mongering, but still monitor the board and look at the pictures. I thought I would share this with you guys. The wife, in her newfound sexual mode is into oral, both ways.

We were messing around one morning and just by chance I held her legs together and started licking just what I could reach through the vulva opening at the top of her slit. She loved it. I mean, she made me do it for like half an hour or longer. Asking her why she explained that part of it was me holding her legs together and part that I could only really get the tip of her clit. Later a put a dildo in her first and did it again and she loved it even more. I plan on tying her legs together and doing it next time we are together.

Just thought I would share the technique.[/QUOTE]

I received a 15 min. BBBJ session from a girl on CL. 7 days later, I noticed there was burning while urinating and also started to notice some discharge. I immediately thought it was gonorrhea or chlamydia, but after going to the doc and having some test done (he swabbed it), the results came out negative, nothing was detected. I talked to the doctor after this and he said he probably didn't swab it well enough, but he was sure it was either gonorrhea or chlamydia. Anyways, after some medication, that was taken care of. BUT, it left me with one question. If a girl performs oral sex on a guy, while he has gonorrhea or chlamydia, then minutes later she performs oral on me without washing her mouth or brushing her teeth is there any chance I could chatch it?

Is it just me or does that look like Laura Linney getting a shitload of cum on her face...LOL.

[QUOTE=Midwest10]This will bring a smile to the fans of Glenn61's work!

Note: That doesn't mean i am saying this is Glenn - just giving him his kudos for previous work - All credit from this video is per the website - covering my ass!
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[url]http://www.yuvutu.com/modules.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=168694[/url][/QUOTE]

I have been using this stuff for a long time and a dentist friend turned me on to it.

The expensive brand is called Gly-Oxide and the cheaper version at CVS is just called antiseptic oral cleanser. Many dentist advice this product after oral surgery but why wait. I have a large size at home and carry a small bottle with me all the time. No kiss and tell here but I also don't want to spread anything unannounced

Kisses Haley

Yes, yes and yes! Gonorrhea can also grow in the throat.



[QUOTE=Eli Blah]I received a 15 min. BBBJ session from a girl on CL. 7 days later, I noticed there was burning while urinating and also started to notice some discharge. I immediately thought it was gonorrhea or chlamydia, but after going to the doc and having some test done (he swabbed it), the results came out negative, nothing was detected. I talked to the doctor after this and he said he probably didn't swab it well enough, but he was sure it was either gonorrhea or chlamydia. Anyways, after some medication, that was taken care of. BUT, it left me with one question. If a girl performs oral sex on a guy, while he has gonorrhea or chlamydia, then minutes later she performs oral on me without washing her mouth or brushing her teeth is there any chance I could chatch it?[/QUOTE]

She could have had some kind of yeast infection in her mouth. I bet these chicks don't clean there mouths out correctly after they have serviced a guy.

Glad your ok..


[QUOTE=Harmonic]Yes, yes and yes! Gonorrhea can also grow in the throat.[/QUOTE]

A buddy of mine just got a yeast infection on his pole from oral gratification with 3 titty dancers he met. Hes getting married Sunday. Now if this doesnt open some of the guys eyes here nothing will.


Be really careful who your dealing with and wrap it if you even think your in danger. I can tell you hes in alot of scratchy azz pain... hehehehe

Happy Hunting..

To add to more to this story, I found out a total of 3 of my buddies caught a serious yeast infection from those girls at the titty bar. So guys just be careful its messed up that this shizz happens. It really is and if these ladies knew they had a problem they should resolve it and get some medical attention instead of spreading it.


Happy Hunting..

[QUOTE=R Consultant]To add to more to this story, I found out a total of 3 of my buddies caught a serious yeast infection from those girls at the titty bar. So guys just be careful its messed up that this shizz happens. It really is and if these ladies knew they had a problem they should resolve it and get some medical attention instead of spreading it.

Happy Hunting..[/QUOTE]Men don't carry yeast infections. Nor do women carry yeast infections in their mouths.

Whenever you get a BBBJ or BBFS you are taking a chance. The less you know about the chick (from the street, titty bar or girl next door) the more risk you take because you are really doing it with everyone she has done it with. There are no guarantees but it is better to use some protection to cut the risk if you don't know very much about her habits and history. Also don't give her Greek w/o a rubber.

[QUOTE=Teabag X]Men don't carry yeast infections. Nor do women carry yeast infections in their mouths.[/QUOTE]Actually men can get a yeast infection. I have had one. It was not "Inside" but outside around the scrotum area.