The web site has the same pics for the last 5 or 6 years. They use it be way uo north in Glennview. Then they were busted.I lot of money for a half a** massage. Just my opinon.
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The web site has the same pics for the last 5 or 6 years. They use it be way uo north in Glennview. Then they were busted.I lot of money for a half a** massage. Just my opinon.
[QUOTE=Pluto2][url]http://www.edenincspa.com/home.htm[/url]
Anyone tried this place?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't surprise me if they got a lot of business from out-of-town travelers; much more convenient than going out to Glenview with all the road construction.
[QUOTE=PussyPoker]Hi all, has any of you chicagoan's been to cr. I was looking to go in Oct. but I don't have much info. I have been reading the Inter. costa rica board but I'm looking for some local guys that may have been there.[/QUOTE]
Just saw this. The International sex guide is pretty helpful. There is also a group called costa rica ticas or something that I joined before I went. Thogh nothing really prepares you for this place. In Jaco, walking into the Beetle Bar the first time I thought I was dreaming. It was early and I would say there were 4 -5 guys and about 30 girls. By the time I finished my first beer, there were 100+ girls, most were amazing. Best ever pay for play experience was in San Jose, the town was a dump, but I met the most amazing semi-pro there. I took her and her friend out for a few cocktails and dancing and then the whole night back at my place. Amazing experience.
[QUOTE=Orangecrush]Just saw this. The International sex guide is pretty helpful. There is also a group called costa rica ticas or something that I joined before I went. Thogh nothing really prepares you for this place. In Jaco, walking into the Beetle Bar the first time I thought I was dreaming. It was early and I would say there were 4 -5 guys and about 30 girls. By the time I finished my first beer, there were 100+ girls, most were amazing. Best ever pay for play experience was in San Jose, the town was a dump, but I met the most amazing semi-pro there. I took her and her friend out for a few cocktails and dancing and then the whole night back at my place. Amazing experience.[/QUOTE]
Hi Orangecrush, I am here in costa rica right now. You are right about San Jose. I walked into Del Rey and OH MY GOD. I was in who*e heaven. Monday, two friends for lunch then a little of get to no each other for a couple of hours. Then dinner and some more get to no you better. Then today after breakfast I'm siting at the bar when my friend Dannella shows up before she goes to collage. She asked if she could meet me later. She comes back at 1:00. We have lunch and then each other until 5:00. I have spent more money in Chinatown for massages and extras in one day than I have spent here for 2 and a half days. I can"t wait for my next trip.
Will be in Taylorville Ill on Business Thanksgiving week any areas to check out?
Not a thing in Taylorville. The most nearest thing would be Springfield, check their posts. A couple of AMPS in Decatur, but not too exicitng.
Looking for love? If you've got the cash, you can hook up through a Web site that offers a different approach to dating.
Sugar daddies, sugar babies and "seekingarrangement.com."
Rich, successful men are going online to find young attractive women, like Nicolette Blair who says, "This is the time to do it when you're young and you're single."
Blair isn't looking for a committed relationship but rather an opportunity as a "Sugar Baby." Blair says, "It's more than just financial. It's a mentor in personal life and business. It's a friend."
The 23-year-old Chicagoan joined "seekingarrangement.com;" a dating Web site for Sugar Daddies and the women who want to meet them.
Here's how Blair breaks it down. "It's a mutually beneficial relationship, and if I was looking for a traditional relationship I would be seeking someone my own age group."
Most of the women on the site are in their 20's. The average age for men is 40's to 50's. There are profiles from across the county, even overseas.
There are also Sugar Daddies from Racine, Green Bay and Milwaukee. One guy from Shorewood, Wisconsin claims he pulls in more than a million a year. His net worth? More than 100 million.
For Sugar Babies, cash is king. Blair doesn't want gifts in exchange for her time, "gifts are not going to help you. It's not a smart investment." It's a dating process that's working for Blair.
A Sugar Daddy we talked to, feels differently.
John Fergus calls the people he's met on the site, superficial. Fergus says, "I guess I'm not like looking to support anybody. Some of these people wanted $5,000 cash up front. They wanted an apartment, I'm not the sugar daddy that way......it's a bunch of gold diggers."
A relationship expert weighed in on this new dating trend. Judy Bruett questions whether anyone with a healthy self-esteem would pursue this kind of relationship. Bruett says, "My sense is the men are not looking for love. It seemed that a lot of it was very sexual. It sort of seemed like men wanting to buy sex."
Blair claims she's met quality men on the site, but is this about sex for money? Blair doesn't consider this prostitution, "I don't because like I said prostitutes, I feel are selling just their bodies, and we're selling a lot more than that and if a man wants just sex he can go find that."
The site also features "Sugar Mommies," successful older women looking for younger men. [url]www.seekingarrangement.com[/url] is free to join. There are some 100 thousand members on the Web site. More than 5,000 of them are in the Milwaukee - Chicago area.
37-Year-Old Aunt Offers To Sell Niece's Body For Drug Money
CROWN POINT, Ind. -- A Valparaiso woman released early from jail stole a car and took her 16-year-old niece on a joyride through Northwest Indiana, stopping to purchase and smoke crack, and telling her niece that she could sell the girl's body for cash to buy more drugs, police said.
Annette Conklin, 37, borrowed a car from a friend, telling the woman her son was missing and she needed to use the car for 10 minutes to find him. She took her niece with her, and when they found Conklin's son two blocks away, Conklin told her son to go home, the niece told police.
The two continued driving to Gary, where Conklin told the niece she was a prostitute, and if she couldn't get drugs she would have to prostitute herself, according to police. Later, Conklin told the girl that she could make money by prostituting the teen as well, but since she was family, she wouldn't do it, according to a probable cause affidavit filed Monday in Lake County Superior Court.
Conklin, of 2203 Valparaiso St., allegedly bought drugs and began smoking them during the drive back home. She offered the crack cocaine to the girl, but when the teen declined, Conklin offered to teach her a way to smoke it that wouldn't get her addicted. She refused again, court records state.
For the second time in less than a year, Conklin was arrested, and this time she was charged with auto theft, neglect of a dependent and attempted contributing to the delinquency of a minor. She faces a maximum sentence of six years.
During her last stint in unlawful behavior, Conklin attacked her boyfriend with a butcher knife and drove to Gary in a blood-soaked car to buy crack cocaine, court records state. A police officer pulled her over in May, and Conklin told the officer she got into the fight with her boyfriend when she took the keys to his car to buy more drugs.
She told the officer she and her boyfriend had attacked each other with knives while they were high on crack, breaking seven months of sobriety.
After pleading guilty to criminal recklessness with a weapon, Conklin was sentenced to nine months in jail. Charges of domestic battery and possession of drug paraphernalia were dismissed, and she completed a chemical dependency program at the jail.
Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract
PIKEVILLE, Ky. -- A man and woman who signed a document characterized as a "sex-slave contract" were arrested by Pikeville police Thursday on misdemeanor charges of prostitution and criminal solicitation.
Ike "Sly" England, 31, of Belfry and Amanda Pinion, 22, of Harold claim a notarized five-page document was an Internet form they filled out for fun and filed by mistake at the courthouse.
The Contract Lasts 25 Years
But Pike County Attorney Howard Keith Hall and Pikeville's police department shrugged off the explanations and issued arrest warrants yesterday.
Pinion was charged with prostitution and England with criminal solicitation.
Both warrants, Class B misdemeanors, were based on the contents of the contract.
Assistant County Attorney Roger Varney said that the slave contract itself is void because slavery is illegal.
Pikeville detective Bruce Anderson said that England was released from the Pike County Detention Center on $5,000 bond Thursday morning.
Pinion was unable to make the same bond.
The contract offers rights to both parties, but most to the master.
Hall said it called for Pinion "to use her body for free or for money."
The contract stated that the slave can marry, but can't consummate the union.
The slave can bear the master's baby, but can't ask for child support.
The contract also stated that the "slave agrees to party with the master whenever the master so desires."
Under the rules of punishment, paragraph F prohibits withholding necessary materials like food, water, sunlight and tanning bed sessions.
England is also allowed to accept other slaves under the contract without considering Pinion's feelings.
The contract lasts for 25 years, and is renewable at the master's discretion.
The deputy county clerk said that she had no choice but to accept the contract.
The contract does not have legal standing, despite the notary seal.
Teen Hires Prostitute From Hospital Bed
DETROIT -- Authorities are investigating whether to press charges after a 15-year-old patient at University of Michigan C.S. Mott Children's Hospital sought out an escort service for sex during his hospital stay this week, according to the Ann Arbor News.
Police believe the teen called an escort service and requested an escort for Sunday evening.
The woman reportedly came to the hospital, where she and the boy engaged in consensual sex -- although the teen is not legally at an age of consent, according to police.
Police believe the two had sex somewhere other than his hospital room, the paper reported.
Investigators are now working to identify the woman, who could be charged with third-degree criminal sexual conduct.
Police would not release information on the boy's medical condition to the paper, citing patient confidentiality laws.
The case will be forwarded to the Washtenaw County Prosecutor's Office to determine what criminal charges could be filed.
Judge Calls Sex-For-Truck Case Prostitution
Karen Kershaw and Rick Remmy appeared on the "People's Court" to settle a small-claims lawsuit involving sexual favors and a 20-year-old truck. They both walked away with a tongue lashing from Judge Jerry Sheindlin.
At the onset of the case, they agreed that Kershaw gave Remmy five packs of cigarettes, valued at $25 each, but they gave contradicting testimony about everything else.
To clear things up, Sheindlin brought in a forensic document examiner.
"There's no question in my mind that the same person who signed this document, signed this document," the expert said, pointing to two separate documents.
Kershaw sued Remmy for $15,000 as compensation for cash and cigarettes that she gave him, as well as for embarrassment and sexual harassment. Remmy countersued for $3,000 for distress and humiliation. Sheindlin awarded Kershaw $125.
"I'm not crediting you with anything because it's known as prostitution," Sheindlin said after Kershaw asked for credit on the sexual favors.
Kershaw said that she performed oral sex on Remmy. The contract said that oral sex was worth $20.
Sheindlin said that the amount requested by Kershaw was "ridiculous and exaggerated."
As for embarrassment, Sheindlin told Remmy, "I don't find that she embarrassed you. You embarrassed yourself."
How It Started
During the show, Kershaw revealed that she often walked home after attending meetings at a 12-step program. One day, she stopped at a car dealership where Remmy worked and started talking to him about a truck that she saw on the lot.
At first, he didn't want to sell the truck, but later he contacted her about selling the truck.
The amount for which the truck was selling has been disputed, but reports indicate that the contract included $400 for sexual favors and $300 cash.
Kershaw said that she offered Remmy cartons of cigarettes, but when she couldn't pay the money, he suggested that she provide him with sexual favors.
"He wrote this out and I was laughing," she said. "We discussed it, and I told him at the time, 'This is a joke. I'm not going to sign this. I'm not going to go through with this.' "
Remmy told a different story. He said that she leaned over and asked if she could pay him in another way. He said he refused.
"I am a married man, I have a beautiful wife and three beautiful children," he said he told her. "I'm not interested."
Kershaw said that she eventually gave in to Remmy because, he told her, as women get older they lose their sex drive.
"I'm guilty of being na?ve, stupid and very vulnerable," Kershaw said.
County's Camera Catching Sex Acts Litterbugs Were Intended Targets
Anderson County South Carolina authorities concealed a small camera to catch people illegally dumping trash on some of their highways six months ago, but the pencil-sized camera is catching something else instead.
The surveillance camera is called the Groundhog Camera, a $5,000 video camera that's partly buried in the ground and switches on automatically whenever it senses motion. Investigators purchased the camera about six months ago to monitor several areas in the county for littering.
But instead of catching people who were dumping garbage, the camera has caught many people in the heat of passion.
Since its installation, not a single littering case has been documented by the Groundhog, But some of the sex acts caught on tape could be too hot for cable.
Anderson County Public Safety Director Gerald Shealy said that some of the scenes "would curl your toes."
Scenes caught in the camera's viewfinder ranged from mild to wild.
"We've had some cases where men and women were together -- they were in their vehicle. We've had some cases where we had a guy who was walking around in the woods with no clothes on," Shealy said.
The South Carolina American Civil Liberties Association said that the Groundhog Camera is an invasion of privacy.
"These surveillance cameras violate the privacy rights of law abiding citizens. Rarely do they catch criminals," state American Civil Liberties Association director Laverne Neal said.
Attorney Bruce Byrholdt said that it concerns him too.
"What scares me in this is the intrusion by the government. Right now, it's on the roads they claim looking for littering. But where's the next step?," Byrnholdt said.
But investigators disagree.
"You have to realize when you're going on somebody else's property or you're sitting on a county road, that you would be subject to being watched," Shealy said.
"The Fourth Amendment in the U.S. protects a person's privacy rights in their homes. The problem is when you're on a public street, you do not have an expectation of privacy," Byrholdt said.
Shealy said that the cases appear to be between consenting adults and will not be prosecuted.
He said that investigators just want to keep Anderson County clean.
"Maybe they'll think twice before they go out and do things they shouldn't be doing in the woods, including littering and illegal dumping," Shealy said.
He said that at least one case on the tape might be prostitution, but Anderson County Sheriff's Department Capt. Dale McCard said that without video of money being exchanged, there is no case.
Shealy said that if they catch anything that could be prosecuted like prostitution or a drug deal, they will turn it over to the Sheriff's Office.
Academic Stripping? Student Strips For Thesis
OMAHA, Neb. -- A University of Nebraska-Omaha student took a job recently as a stripper for class credit.
Jenny Heineman, a sociology student, said she wanted to bring sex workers out of the dark, so she felt she had to enter their world. Her thesis, "Gender and Work: An Ethnography of a Midwest Strip Club," got her a B and she graduated this spring with high honors.
By day, she works at Blue Line Coffee Shop, selling cappuccino and scones.
As a sociology student studying in Europe, the 22-year-old said she became interested in another line of work.
"I was taking a course in sexuality and culture, and I got introduced to the underground culture of sex work and became very interested in the rights of sex workers," Heineman said.
That included prostitutes, call girls and strippers.
"Upon returning to the states, my curiosity and my desire to work with these women led me to get a job," she said.
By night, Heineman danced at The 20s Club.
"I probably go up on stage four times in a five-hour shift, and I'm constantly thinking, 'Please don't fall,'" Heineman said. "The rest of the time is spent mingling with customers and doing dances for customers at tables," she said.
She said she has learned to strut her stuff in 5-inch heels.
Her experience with customers and her fellow workers was guided and graded by professor Shireen Rajaram.
"I think it's a very worthwhile topic for us to look at," Rajaram said.
Rajaram applauded her student's courage. She said only through this kind of first-hand account can sociologists identify real issues and dispel stereotypes.
"I mean, it's a huge industry and so it's important for us as socio-anthropologists to shed light on the issues, especially the social injustices," Rajaram said.
Heineman said the biggest injustice is the stigma placed on her fellow dancers.
"A lot of these women are doing this to support their families. Several of them are single mothers. They work very hard at a job that can be quite tiresome," Heineman said.
If nothing more, she said she hopes to raise awareness of inequities and earn them the respect she thinks they deserve.
"Get to know your local stripper -- that's the message we should end on, yeah," Heineman said.
The titles says it all.
Average AMP with HJ release.
Door $70 + Tip $40 = $110
Average WMP with HJ release.
Door $75 + Tip $50 = $125
High end WMP with HJ release. (Edens)
Door $150 + Tip $30 = $180
So why do some of you pay so much for just a HJ? Is it really worth it to you?
Explain.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mister Quick][b]37-Year-Old Aunt Offers To Sell Niece's Body For Drug Money[/b]
CROWN POINT, Ind. -- A Valparaiso woman released early from jail stole a car and took her 16-year-old niece on a joyride through Northwest Indiana, stopping to purchase and smoke crack, and telling her niece that she could sell the girl's body for cash to buy more drugs, police said.
Annette Conklin, 37, borrowed a car from a friend, telling the woman her son was missing and she needed to use the car for 10 minutes to find him. She took her niece with her, and when they found Conklin's son two blocks away, Conklin told her son to go home, the niece told police.
The two continued driving to Gary, where Conklin told the niece she was a prostitute, and if she couldn't get drugs she would have to prostitute herself, according to police. Later, Conklin told the girl that she could make money by prostituting the teen as well, but since she was family, she wouldn't do it, according to a probable cause affidavit filed Monday in Lake County Superior Court.
Conklin, of 2203 Valparaiso St., allegedly bought drugs and began smoking them during the drive back home. She offered the crack cocaine to the girl, but when the teen declined, Conklin offered to teach her a way to smoke it that wouldn't get her addicted. She refused again, court records state.
For the second time in less than a year, Conklin was arrested, and this time she was charged with auto theft, neglect of a dependent and attempted contributing to the delinquency of a minor. She faces a maximum sentence of six years.
During her last stint in unlawful behavior, Conklin attacked her boyfriend with a butcher knife and drove to Gary in a blood-soaked car to buy crack cocaine, court records state. A police officer pulled her over in May, and Conklin told the officer she got into the fight with her boyfriend when she took the keys to his car to buy more drugs.
She told the officer she and her boyfriend had attacked each other with knives while they were high on crack, breaking seven months of sobriety.
After pleading guilty to criminal recklessness with a weapon, Conklin was sentenced to nine months in jail. Charges of domestic battery and possession of drug paraphernalia were dismissed, and she completed a chemical dependency program at the jail.[/QUOTE]
This woman's a nutcase. Six years is the absolute [b]minimum[/b] I would give her, not the maximum. In addition, she should be barred from ever having contact with her niece or any other young relatives.
[QUOTE=Rubenme2]The titles says it all.
Average AMP with HJ release.
Door $70 + Tip $40 = $110
Average WMP with HJ release.
Door $75 + Tip $50 = $125
High end WMP with HJ release. (Edens)
Door $150 + Tip $30 = $180
So why do some of you pay so much for just a HJ? Is it really worth it to you?
Explain.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I agree that it seems like a lot especially to a natural born cheapskate like me. On the other hand, I do enjoy the occasional visit to the ER in Belvidere. It offers the comfort of a safe and clean location plus knowing what to expect. I'm able to relax and enjoy the session.
I've occasionally found better service for a comparable fee but it never seems to last, girls move, phones disconnected, etc.
When most schoolgirls were playing with their Barbie dolls, Amanda Brooks was dreaming of growing up to be a prostitute.
"When I was in fourth grade, it sounded like a good idea for me. To me it sounded like a really interesting way to make a living and not having to follow other peoples' rules," she said by telephone from Texas where she lives.
Retired at 29 with a steady boyfriend after two-and-a-half years working as an escort, she has published the Internet Escort's Handbook series for aspiring call girls everywhere.
The series so far contains two books. The first book, called "The Foundation" covers "basic mental, emotional and physical considerations in escort work". The second, "Advertizing and Marketing," gives tips on how to set up a Web site and advertize online."When I began working I had a lot of questions and there wasn't really any way to find out answers. I did what they always tell authors to do: I wrote the books that I wished I had been able to read," she said.
Brooks is unapologetic about a lifestyle that she says suited her perfectly. On her Web site she describes her frustration at being told she should get a "real job."
"I've read many job books which list the symptoms to look for when a job is going bad: depression, stress, anxiety, insomnia, weight gain or weight loss, anger, ulcers, hair loss, hatred, suicidal thoughts, and feeling trapped."
"How did I feel working as an escort? Happy, satisfied, in control of my life; wealthy, healthy, at peace with myself, free, successful and I slept like a baby every night."
Brought up in a small town in Texas, she graduated from college with a double degree in photography and English (both majors known to get people good jobs) before getting a job as a cocktail waitress at a strip club. She then worked as a stripper for four years before finally taking the plunge at 26 and placing an ad offering escort services.
At a time when global trafficking and organized crime are making prostitution more dangerous than ever, Brooks said the internet made it easier to go into business on your own -- free from exploitation by agencies, brothel owners or pimps.
The main tip for staying safe is: do your homework. She used the Internet to screen her clients and turned down appointments when she had doubts.
The worst abuse she suffered was clients who refused to pay her fees, which she said were "standard prices in the U.S., between $250 and $500 an hour."
The work became safer once she had a steady stable of regular clients. She found them easier to deal with than her boyfriend.
"Adding money to a sexual relationship does not necessarily make it violent or horrible," she said.
"Relationships with my clients are fun and easy. They were kind of a break from real life and we all know that real life can be difficult."
Husband Also Arrested In Alleged Prostitution Case
The husband of the Waterloo woman charged with prostitution has also been arrested. Steven Blossner, 31, was taken into custody July 2 at his home at 323 Hannah Drive by the Metropolitan Enforcement Group of Southern Illinois. He was charged with a misdemeanor count of keeping a place of prostitution. Blossner posted bond and was released from custody. He is scheduled to appear before Circuit Judge Dennis Doyle on Aug. 7, at 9 a.m., at the Monroe County Courthouse.
His wife, Mandy Blosser, was arrested by MEGSI June 26 at their home. According to the police report, Blosser agreed to perform a sexual act on an undercover police officer in exchange for $150.
MEGSI had been investigating Mrs. Blosser after she posted information in the personals section of the Craigslist website. The Waterloo Police Department and Monroe County Sheriff’s Department assisted in the arrest. She was charged with a felony count of prostitution. The charge was listed as a felony because the incident occurred within 1,000 feet of a daycare. Mrs. Blosser’s preliminary hearing has been set for July 24, at 1 p.m., at the Monroe County Courthouse.
I am going to be in the Dundee IL area this weekend and was wondering if there is any adult entertainment of any sorts in that area. Any SW's?
[QUOTE=Im Horney Two]I am going to be in the Dundee IL area this weekend and was wondering if there is any adult entertainment of any sorts in that area. Any SW's?[/QUOTE]Your out of luck for SW's in that area there are some escorts in the Crystal Lake Area. I would suggest Jacqueline.
Anyone ever thought of producing their own adult videos? I've always wanted to start some sort of talent scout agency or adult entertainment company. I think it would be cool. Any1 interested, pm me!
Check out CL for toni,Payton, Elli, Hope, Nicki
Ct Michelle
This happened elsewhere but the moral of the story applies everywhere.
A fight between a suspected prostitute and its customer Sunday night led to a minor car wreck and charges for both men.
According to a police affidavit, a man in a truck stopped and picked up another man, who was dressed as a woman. False advertising anyone?
After a brief negotiation, they drove to a bank ATM so the customer could get $50. Not the wisest of moves even if he had been with a woman. But the prostitute told police it became suspicious that his customer might be a police officer, so it tried to get out of the truck.
It told officers the man wouldn’t let him out, so it punched the accelerator, and the truck slammed into a car parked at a skating rink. The driver told police only that they had been arguing. Nobody was injured.
The 25 year old driver has been charged with patronizing a prostitute and not having his driver’s license. He is being held in Jail on $1,000 bond. The 22 year old prostitute has been charged with prostitution. It is being held on $100 bond.
Ok for those that have been asking i will be in Schaumburg tonight and i will be bringing some friends,
Ct Michelle
Need to help someone get girls for a bachelor party.
Does anyone have any numbers?
Want someone who will do EVERYTHING for the best man.
Bachelore?
Isn't that a city in India?
-Vazooli
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Craigslist to charge for erotic services ads
Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, November 7, 2008
Instead, the San Francisco-based Craigslist soon will begin requiring advertisers for massages, strippers, escort services and the like to pay a fee with a credit card - fees the famously profit-averse company plans to donate to charity.
The move is part of a deal between Craigslist and more than 40 state attorneys general to crack down on prostitution ads.
"It raises the accountability for people posting to the category," said Craigslist Chief Executive Officer Jim Buckmaster. "Our well-intentioned users don't want to see illegal activity on the site, either."
Craigslist already requires that people listing erotic services provide phone numbers, and has begun taking legal action against software companies that help people get around that and other restrictions, Buckmaster said.
Craigslist is not legally required to take such steps - existing law provides immunity to services such as Craigslist for actions taken by their users, said Kurt Opfahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. However, law enforcement officials can subpoena such companies for user information such as phone and credit card numbers.
In the past, such subpoenas would deliver little information, because the erotic services ads - like most ads on Craigslist - could be posted anonymously.
Under the arrangement with the attorneys general, Craigslist volunteered to begin collecting phone and credit card numbers from erotic services advertisers after Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal complained about prostitution ads on the site.
Craigslist took a look and decided Blumenthal had a point, Buckmaster said.
"Requiring phone numbers, credit cards and identifying details will provide a roadmap to prostitutes and sex traffickers - so we can track them down and lock them up," Blumenthal said in a statement issued Thursday.
Requiring phone numbers has already reduced the volume of erotic services ads by 80 percent, Buckmaster said. Charging an as-yet-undetermined fee is expected to reduce the volume still further.
The deal brought accolades from groups such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which joined the agreement.
"I think it's win-win," said Ernie Allen, president and chief executive officer of the center. "It's an example of Craigslist being concerned and taking a real leadership role in ensuring that these kinds of abuses and illegal activities don't happen."
Sylvia Borelli, founder of Lovings.com, a long-established San Francisco escort Web site, was also complimentary. Borelli said her site has long taken similar measures and more, such as verifying that advertisers are over 18.
"I never liked any of the wide-open personals, because of that possibility of exploitation," she said. The credit card verification system "can also be circumvented. ... But I think that people will start thinking twice, because there is more of a paper trail."
The policy attracted a handful of angry reactions on the Craigslist blog. Commenters accused Craigslist of "caving in to the police establishment" and turning its back on a history of protecting free anonymous expression.
Criticism also came from Maxine Doogan, founder of the Erotic Service Providers Union.
Doogan said Craigslist had provided a place where sex workers could anonymously and safely connect with clients - and vice versa - for free.
"They always end up further pushing into poverty the class of workers who don't have access to those tools of capitalism," she said. "Back to the streets - that's what's going to happen."
On the other end of the criticism spectrum was Trench Reynolds, a pseudonymous crime blogger who tracks Craigslist-linked crime at craigscrimelist.org.
"I still say the best way to crack down on that is to do away with the erotic services section altogether," he said. "I think (the deal) will cut down on a lot of the erotic services ads, but I don't think it will cut down enough to put me out of business."
Meanwhile, groups such as the EFF are watching the agreement to see how it works out, said Opfahl.
"Is it going to be a narrowly focused activity that does not spread out to other areas?" he said. "Or will the attorneys general see this as the beginning of a process to get yet more records and ability to obtain the records of online speaking?"
Buckmaster said the company is trying to strike a balance, keeping the erotic services section - in part to keep such ads from appearing elsewhere on Craigslist - but trying to do so responsibly, protecting free speech and preventing exploitation. Hopefully, he said, Craigslist can be a pioneer in this kind of cooperation as it has been on the Internet.
"In our humble opinion this is the way to go, and we would invite other online services to follow suit," he said. "We all would be better off if we all voluntarily do what is necessary to curtail illegal activity on the Internet."
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women in the USA for sex.[/blue][/size]
I don't trust Craigs list! The reason I joined here is to get the skinny on Chicago area places to find sex. If the members can put aside their paranoia about john law listening in. Nobody can prove they are not a cop or spy so get over it. Getting busted is the chance we take but not as bad as getting mugged or robbed or STD's.
[QUOTE=Local Hick][url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/07/BUVO13VQUM.DTL[/url]
Craigslist to charge for erotic services ads
Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, November 7, 2008
Instead, the San Francisco-based Craigslist soon will begin requiring advertisers for massages, strippers, escort services and the like to pay a fee with a credit card - fees the famously profit-averse company plans to donate to charity.
The move is part of a deal between Craigslist and more than 40 state attorneys general to crack down on prostitution ads.
"It raises the accountability for people posting to the category," said Craigslist Chief Executive Officer Jim Buckmaster. "Our well-intentioned users don't want to see illegal activity on the site, either."
Craigslist already requires that people listing erotic services provide phone numbers, and has begun taking legal action against software companies that help people get around that and other restrictions, Buckmaster said.
Craigslist is not legally required to take such steps - existing law provides immunity to services such as Craigslist for actions taken by their users, said Kurt Opfahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. However, law enforcement officials can subpoena such companies for user information such as phone and credit card numbers.
In the past, such subpoenas would deliver little information, because the erotic services ads - like most ads on Craigslist - could be posted anonymously.
Under the arrangement with the attorneys general, Craigslist volunteered to begin collecting phone and credit card numbers from erotic services advertisers after Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal complained about prostitution ads on the site.
Craigslist took a look and decided Blumenthal had a point, Buckmaster said.
"Requiring phone numbers, credit cards and identifying details will provide a roadmap to prostitutes and sex traffickers - so we can track them down and lock them up," Blumenthal said in a statement issued Thursday.
Requiring phone numbers has already reduced the volume of erotic services ads by 80 percent, Buckmaster said. Charging an as-yet-undetermined fee is expected to reduce the volume still further.
The deal brought accolades from groups such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which joined the agreement.
"I think it's win-win," said Ernie Allen, president and chief executive officer of the center. "It's an example of Craigslist being concerned and taking a real leadership role in ensuring that these kinds of abuses and illegal activities don't happen."
Sylvia Borelli, founder of Lovings.com, a long-established San Francisco escort Web site, was also complimentary. Borelli said her site has long taken similar measures and more, such as verifying that advertisers are over 18.
"I never liked any of the wide-open personals, because of that possibility of exploitation," she said. The credit card verification system "can also be circumvented. ... But I think that people will start thinking twice, because there is more of a paper trail."
The policy attracted a handful of angry reactions on the Craigslist blog. Commenters accused Craigslist of "caving in to the police establishment" and turning its back on a history of protecting free anonymous expression.
Criticism also came from Maxine Doogan, founder of the Erotic Service Providers Union.
Doogan said Craigslist had provided a place where sex workers could anonymously and safely connect with clients - and vice versa - for free.
"They always end up further pushing into poverty the class of workers who don't have access to those tools of capitalism," she said. "Back to the streets - that's what's going to happen."
On the other end of the criticism spectrum was Trench Reynolds, a pseudonymous crime blogger who tracks Craigslist-linked crime at craigscrimelist.org.
"I still say the best way to crack down on that is to do away with the erotic services section altogether," he said. "I think (the deal) will cut down on a lot of the erotic services ads, but I don't think it will cut down enough to put me out of business."
Meanwhile, groups such as the EFF are watching the agreement to see how it works out, said Opfahl.
"Is it going to be a narrowly focused activity that does not spread out to other areas?" he said. "Or will the attorneys general see this as the beginning of a process to get yet more records and ability to obtain the records of online speaking?"
Buckmaster said the company is trying to strike a balance, keeping the erotic services section - in part to keep such ads from appearing elsewhere on Craigslist - but trying to do so responsibly, protecting free speech and preventing exploitation. Hopefully, he said, Craigslist can be a pioneer in this kind of cooperation as it has been on the Internet.
"In our humble opinion this is the way to go, and we would invite other online services to follow suit," he said. "We all would be better off if we all voluntarily do what is necessary to curtail illegal activity on the Internet."
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Craigslist 40.00 hos in Bartlett rt. 59 and North Ave.
Anyone seen these girls?
Is it a jackshack ripoff or what?
I am thinking about toftt.
[QUOTE=Chigod7]Craigslist 40.00 hos in Bartlett rt. 59 and North Ave.
Anyone seen these girls?
Is it a jackshack ripoff or what?
I am thinking about toftt.[/QUOTE]Already been taken. This is a high-priced ripoff joint. I wasn't stupid enough to pay the $$$$ to "get comfortable", so I guess I can't actually verify. But my better judgement tells me the truth.
I also took this girls price too high.
I took one too. I was expecting it to be a ripoff, so I didn't spend a whole lot of money. But, I wanted to confirm my suspicions. They were confirmed.....this is one of the total ripoff joints. It was discussed in one of the other forums late last year. They advertise like crazy on craigslist and it always looks like a "too good to be true" ad.
Hi everyone,
I've been mongering for awhile and am making very limited progress.
I've found World Spa in Algonquin (they warmed up to me on the 3rd try) and Maple Spa (no luck on the first try)
I'm searching for a reliable AMP-type scenario with FS....and of course, for reasonable cost, in the Chicagoland area pretty much anywhere south of I-290 and I-88......any help? Please PM me. I'm a newer member, but have been lurking for sometime as a non-member. HJ is ok at World Spa, but sometimes I just want a little more, you know?
[QUOTE=Perdip]Hi everyone,
I've been mongering for awhile and am making very limited progress.
I've found World Spa in Algonquin (they warmed up to me on the 3rd try) and Maple Spa (no luck on the first try)
I'm searching for a reliable AMP-type scenario with FS....and of course, for reasonable cost, in the Chicagoland area pretty much anywhere south of I-290 and I-88......any help? Please PM me. I'm a newer member, but have been lurking for sometime as a non-member. HJ is ok at World Spa, but sometimes I just want a little more, you know?[/QUOTE]"those who seek shall find"
[QUOTE=Fred C]"those who seek shall find"[/QUOTE]Oh, I have sought and sought...and I've had luck at only one location, but not FS. I've been reading the forums for a while, too, but have noticed that most folks share this info via PM.
[QUOTE=Tommy Knocker6]Cook County Sheriff is at it again:
[url]http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03/sheriffs-lawsuit-says-craiglist-largest-source-of-prostitution.html[/url][/QUOTE]
The crusade continues, yet more and more providers keep popping up. If the economy keeps plunging, I suspect this trend will continue.
Not to beat a dead horse, but why not legalize it? I don't see where would it be any different than taxing the other sins (booze, cigarettes, gambling).
He's a fucking asshole. We have drive by shootings, high school kids being killed almost daily, drug sales all across the city, gang bangers everywhere you look, and this is the most serious thing he can find to go after.
It's easier to eat donuts and surf CL than do actual work that involves physical activity.
[QUOTE=George W. Bush]He's a fucking asshole. We have drive by shootings, high school kids being killed almost daily, drug sales all across the city, gang bangers everywhere you look, and this is the most serious thing he can find to go after.
It's easier to eat donuts and surf CL than do actual work that involves physical activity.[/QUOTE]The drug dealers and gangs who do the drive by shootings are far more dangerous since chances are they will have guns and shoot back.
I thought that I heard on the news today that the IOC people were in toen this weekend. He needs to make it look like this ies the only problem in Chicago. Just think of what will happen if we get the olympics. I think I'll take a month vacation. No massage parlors and to much traffic. Maybe we should put together a trip to asia. Rent a bus and hit all the mp's as possible.
Syndiatced news story about the casual encounters section on CL, if you dont want to read it all one bit of interest is that some of the working girls who do not want to pay the $5 to be in erotic services are now posting in the casual encounters section.
[quote]This is it, Melvin thought: Craigslist is about to get me killed.
A recent divorce who lacked the money and confidence for a conventional date, Melvin, 35, had been lured to a stranger's apartment by the promise of anonymous sex. He had already done this at least a dozen times, using classified ads he had placed on the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist.com, with no problems.
But this time, all he found was a dark, scary room.
"I was like, `Oh no, this is it -- this woman is going to kill me,"' he recalled.
Luckily for Melvin, what he had wandered into was something a bit more poignant: The woman who had answered his ad was obese and didn't want Melvin to see her body.
"It was sad, very sad," he said, "but she was a nice girl and we talked for two hours before we went in the bedroom and did what we did."
This is probably not the hedonistic situation most people envision when they think about Internet hookups. Nor was it a violent encounter that makes headlines, like the murder on April 14 in a Boston hotel room of a 26-year-old woman, Julissa Brisman, who had placed an ad for masseuse services on Craigslist, or the killing last month of George Weber, a radio news reporter who was stabbed in his Brooklyn home, police say, by a teenager who apparently answered a Craigslist ad seeking a sexual partner.
Reactions to Weber's murder among a number of people who regularly use Craigslist in search of casual sex ranged from mildly concerned to indifferent. Melvin called it a "shame" and reiterated his safety policy, adopted after his close call with the obese woman in her darkened apartment. "That's why I'm always cautious, always meet in public," he said.
Michael, 34, a straight man who lives in Midtown Manhattan and who has been using the Casual Encounters board on Craigslist for five years, said, "In a city of 8 million-plus, this sort of thing was bound to happen statistically."
Although sex is solicited online in many places -- legally and otherwise -- the Casual Encounters listings are a major hub, offering to do for casual sex what the rest of the site does for no-fee apartments, temp jobs and old strollers.
Like bathhouses and sex clubs, the Casual Encounters section caters to the erotic underbelly of society, where courtship gives way to expediency and anonymity is a virtue (or at least a turn-on). The section was introduced in late 2000 and is available in all cities served by Craigslist, for users gay and straight, male and female. The ads range from prim to raunchy; a good number of people include photographs of precisely what they have to offer. (The site has a policy against posting pornographic pictures, but it does not seem to be enforced very vigorously.)
In an exploration of the Casual Encounters world, more than 100 e-mail messages were sent to users requesting interviews before the recent murders. About a dozen frequent users, mostly men, consented to phone or e-mail interviews, some of which took place over the past three months.
Two men, Michael and Melvin, were willing to meet with a reporter in person, as long as they were identified only by their name on Craigslist. A few women who had posted ads were also forthcoming, but none of the women who had replied to Michael's or Melvin's ads consented to an interview.
Ads in the Casual Encounters section account for 2 percent of all Craigslist postings, according to the company. It also says that traffic to all the Craigslist personals sites -- which include a separate one for romance and one for "missed connections," where people try to find the cutie they flirted with on the subway -- is higher than for any other online personals site, including Match.com, eHarmony and Yahoo personals.
"Casual Encounters was created in response to user demand for a section that allowed for a wide range of personal meeting and relationship options," Craig Newmark, the founder of Craigslist, said by e-mail message before the recent murders took place. "In that sense, it's probably an accurate inside look at how people like to connect these days. Our users like the ability to be both candid and, initially, anonymous."
Within Casual Encounters, the most traditional of the categories -- men seeking women -- seems to raise the most tantalizing questions, given the reasonable assumption that most women (and even a few men) would prefer earnest courtship to a quickie with a stranger, no strings attached. For instance, does it really work?
The short answer is "yes." But as with so many things on Craigslist, the truth is a little dingier than what was promised. Among the stories told by users of Casual Encounters are those about the eager 22-year-old who turns out to be too shy to go through with it (and she's really 30), the woman who seems docile by e-mail but who turns violent after smoking a joint and the single mother who lies about dropping the children off at their grandmother's house for the night.
And then there are the legions of prostitutes and spammers who threaten to take over the Casual Encounters "community," which longtime users insist that it is.
"I think three or four years ago it was kind of a local community," Michael said. "You'd bump into the same people, and they weren't advertising or looking for services."
Tales of sexual encounters via Craigslist run the gamut from the erotic to the bizarre. Nola, a 42-year-old saleswoman who lives in Manhattan, posts elegantly written ads seeking a man who will meet her in a public place so she can go to the bathroom and remove her panties, which she will then hand to him in an envelope.
Michael, who is handsome and projects confidence, says he is an artist who began using the site to find models who would pose nude for him. Craigslist, he said, often fulfills its promise of delivering erotic thrills for a minimal effort.
"I've met some extraordinarily beautiful women, had a few extraordinary sexual encounters that made my teeth itch and my brain sweat, put me in states of weird contemplation like, `My God, I've never experienced that before,"' he said.
Other men tell of sad, isolated women using the lure of easy sex to find companionship.
Melvin, who has thick brown hair and a pleasant, soft-spoken manner, said he began using the site when his wife left him for another man six months after their wedding. He describes the women he meets on Craigslist as "desperadoes."
"For some reason, guys are not interested in them," he said, "and when push gets to shove, they're so lonely that they think, `You know what, I'll get a guy to come see me and see what happens."'
Melvin concedes he could easily be describing his own state of mind after his divorce. "I didn't want to go out and have to talk about my divorce any more," he said. "But here I had somewhere to go online to meet people who were kind of anti-social like me, and it fills that void of loneliness."
Indeed, Melvin has dated a few women he was supposedly meeting just for sex, and even went out with one young woman, a recent transplant to New York from the South, several times without ever receiving so much as a kiss.
Erick Janssen, a researcher and associate scientist at the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction, said that some need sex and sexual novelty more than others. "We know from basic sex research that anonymity can augment satisfaction in sexual arousal," he said.
As for Casual Encounters, he said, "What's going on isn't that different from years ago when people would go to different cities and nightclubs, and of course they still do."
Tom Brady, chief medical officer at the CRC Health Group in Cupertino, Calif., an addiction-treatment center, said there is no single personality type that is drawn to sites like Casual Encounters, but there are common denominators, like a penchant for risk-seeking.
"A lot of these people have a narcissistic, sociopathic side where they don't have a lot of empathy for other people," he said. "The Internet is fabulous for these people."
Casual Encounters is also a haven for people with sex addictions. "They're like a kid in a candy store," Brady said.
Nola, for instance, said in a telephone interview that she got an erotic thrill from giving men her used underwear, knowing they would serve as fetish objects. She started doing this last June after she thought, "I wear underpants every single day of my life, and somebody's got to want these underpants." The recipients, she said, pay her a small replacement fee.
Nola has acquired a stalker as a result of her actions, but still distributes her panties. She does not have sex with the men she meets online, meets them only in public places, and keeps a file of their names and photos, making sure a friend knows where to find it. She doesn't limit herself to straight men. "I put ads up for lesbians looking for women's undies, gay men looking for undies, rough-and-tumble guys," she said. "This is just me sitting and being silly."
That there is prostitution on the site is no secret. In 2006, Nassau County in New York's Long Island set up a prostitution sting operation focusing on Craigslist; around the country, the police routinely arrest prostitutes operating on the site. Craigslist reached an agreement last year with state attorneys general to charge a $5 fee and require a phone number for people posting "erotic services." A company statement said the move led to an immediate 80 percent drop in postings to that section.
Casual Encounters users say those people have simply resurfaced on their turf. "What that's done is made Casual Encounters just one big free-for-all, and like one ugly market," Michael said.
Men willing to pay for sex often disguise their intent slightly by using "roses" as code for money, as in, "I have 100 roses for someone willing to spend the afternoon with me."
Also rampant is the search for drugs. Cocaine-users say they are looking to "ski" or searching for "ski bunnies" who will presumably trade sex for drugs, and pot smokers use a longtime code term for marijuana, 420, to identify themselves.
Other sites have popped up in recent years to siphon off the Casual Encounters crowd, like *************.com, which helps married people find affairs. There is no pretense that anything but sex is being offered, which is just fine for people with louche tastes looking to avoid polite society.
"My mother is on Match.com," Melvin said. "So there's no way I'm going to be on there."[/quote]
The popular Web site Craigslist is facing an ultimatum.
South Carolina's attorney general told the company to remove what he describes as ads for prostitution or face a possible criminal investigation.
Illinois' attorney general isn't going that far but says Craigslist broke an agreement to eliminate illegal activity.
Craigslist struck a deal with 40 state attorneys general to police its erotic postings more thoroughly. Now several of those officials say the managers of the Web site have failed to live up to their end of the bargain.
Forty million people use Craigslist every month searching for everything from cars to furniture. But it's come under increasing pressure from government officials who say it's also used by people placing ads for prostitution.
Now the South Carolina attorney general has given the web site managers 10 days to remove postings that he says are pornographic or encourage prostitution. If they don't he threatens a criminal action.
"It is nothing but filth, it is an advertisement for prostitution. It is ugly, it is harmful and there is no reason on earth why that is being allowed to be sent into South Carolina," said Henry McMaster, South Carolina attorney general.
Under the November deal with the 40 attorneys general, Craigslist agreed to charge $5 to $10 dollars for erotic services postings and to require people who submit those postings to submit a phone number.
Lisa Madigan is one of the attorneys general who says the site hasn't lived up to the deal.
In a letter to the CEO of Craigslist Madigan says: "The evidence is overwhelming that Craigslist has otherwise breached the agreement by failing to develop and effective screening process....It is clear that the erotic services section continues to facilitate the exploitation of women in Illinois and in states across the nation."
Critics have focused on several high profile crimes allegedly involving the site. They include the so-called Craigslist killer, a man police say targeted women who posted on the site and who allegedly killed one of them.
But there are attorneys who don't think a successful case can be brought against Craigslist. Under federal law sites are usually not liable for postings submitted by users.
Madigan has requested information on the number of erotic postings in Illinois removed by Craigslist this year. She says she wants that information by Friday.
In a recent interview, Craig Newmark, the founder of the Web site, denied that it facilitates prostitution and said he had no plans to change the erotic services section.
I saw Diana Moss years ago on the North Side. She was a short bouncy girl next door. Does anyone have any cool experiences with her? Post here or message me.
Does anyone know if she is still out there?
Thanks!
I got a massage from her, her fingers came close to my boys when I was on my front side. What a turn on. She had a big german shepard. wow what a mutt!
She stretched my legs didn't seem to mind that the cover came off a few times.
I gave her a hug and invited her to dinner sometime and she was luke warm on the idea and later said 'no.'
Thanks in advance.
MM
Just jumped on CL and the Erotic section comes up empty. An Adult section was added but looks like only "massages" will be offered. Also, CV also must have been linked because I'm coming up with errors.
[QUOTE=Burnt Star]Just jumped on CL and the Erotic section comes up empty. An Adult section was added but looks like only "massages" will be offered. Also, CV also must have been linked because I'm coming up with errors.[/QUOTE]Striking a New Balance
May 13th, 2009 by jim
As of today for all US craigslist sites, postings to the “erotic services” category will no longer be accepted, and in 7 days the category will be removed.
Also effective today for all US sites, a new category entitled “adult services” will be opened for postings by legal adult service providers. Each posting to this new category will be manually reviewed before appearing on the site, to ensure compliance with craigslist posting guidelines and terms of use. New postings will cost $10, but once approved, will be eligible for reposting at $5.
Unsurprisingly, but completely contrary to some of the sensationalistic journalism we’ve seen these past few weeks, the record is clear that use of craigslist classifieds is associated with far lower rates of violent crime than print classifieds, let alone rates of violent crime pertaining to American society as a whole.
The relative safety of craigslist compared to print classifieds is likely due to some combination of:
* Measures such as blocking, screening, and telephone verification
* Community moderation via our flagging system
* Electronic trail ensures violent criminals are quickly caught
* Personal safety tips prominently posted
* Unusually high level of cooperation with law enforcement
Community moderation as exemplified by our flagging system is arguably the most successful system ever conceived for eliminating inappropriate activity from a massive internet community. Working in tandem with various other protective technologies, it is an inescapable force to be reckoned with for anyone set on abusing free internet communications across a broad array of posting types.
However, with respect to this new paid category for advertising by legal businesses, we will experiment with some of the methods traditionally employed in paid print classifieds.
We’d like to thank everyone who has provided helpful input over the past few weeks, all of which was closely considered:
* Our users, whose suggestions shape every aspect of craigslist
* Attorneys General, who provided valuable constructive criticism
* Law Enforcement officers nationwide, hugely supportive as always
* Legally compliant businesses wishing to advertise their services
* EFF and other experts defending free speech and Internet law
We are optimistic that the new balance struck today will be an acceptable compromise from the perspective of these constituencies, and for the diverse US communities that value and rely upon craigslist.
Note: Our announced intention to contribute 100% of net revenues for the “erotic services” category to charity has been fulfilled, and will continue to be fulfilled, notwithstanding criticism questioning our good faith in this regard. However, in light of today’s changes, and to avoid any future misunderstanding, we are making no representation regarding how revenue from the “adult services” category will be used. Our commitment to philanthropy remains, and craigslist will continue to develop its charitable initiatives.