High End Girls

[QUOTE=Alejhenry;6067948]Alexa is a BI provider who will be around next week and not a MILF, she's definitely in her 20's with an amazing chest![/QUOTE]Nicole is also young (~30) with large but firm chest and here next week. Both are great but Nicole speaks English while Alexa knows very little. They are both listed with correct ages but some, like Susy who is listed as 35 is on other sites as Natacha and Natabella and as 40+. Usually you can tell by at least one pic on BI which looks less professional and shows an older lady. In Susy's case the pic of her back looks like a 40 yo.

[QUOTE=EasiePeasie;6068083]Susy who is listed as 35 is on other sites as Natacha and Natabella and as 40+. Usually you can tell by at least one pic on BI which looks less professional and shows an older lady. In Susy's case the pic of her back looks like a 40 yo.[/QUOTE]I had confused the backside pic with a Latina on another site. But Susy is at least 41, which she put on her p411 profile.

Just for fun, I strolled through Tryst to see what's new and I would say a good 50% are 700 and up. Now, I've only had one experience many years ago with a porn star that I forked 600 and that was a lot back then. Needless to say, it wasn't a blown away experience. In fact, the girls that I saw in the Phoenix offered a better experience. Now, I did hire a few 300+ here and there and some were great and some were decent.

With this new thread and the girls today, how great are these women that charge 700+? I know "maybe" you'll get a BBBJ depending on the girl and most likely CFS. Granted, you'll get a beautiful woman and perhaps intelligent? I've read some guys got ripped off some of the these high end girls. For those that have plenty in the bank may not be a concern. But, the others, like myself who would like to stay within reasonable rates is a huge loss if the service wasn't there. I've met a few 150 Brazilian women, absolutely beautiful. But, communication was non-existent due to the language barrier, robotic and everything was covered. Did I enjoy this gorgeous woman? Absolutely? Was it a great service? Well, I did get my nut. But, it wasn't a satisfying nut, if that makes sense.

Happy to read your comments.

[QUOTE=Alejhenry;6067975]Another great agency is Traveling Brazilians, however, they only occasionally have providers in Waltham - none currently. But they also go to Warwick and Hartford. They are strict about verification, just follow everything they want precisely and you'll be approved.[/QUOTE]I know there is a Brazilian Girls thread and they are probably there already, but could someone post their website url's here?

[QUOTE=Alejhenry;6067945][URL]https://xoclub.ch/[/URL]

However, I never used it to book appts as I am a member. Keep in mind that their new providers are now asking for an extra $50 for BBBJ on top of $420 for an hour during the week and $360 for an hour during weekends.[/QUOTE]I just think of the GFE rate for new providers as $470. At least it is not $700+. The popular girls seem to be fully booked fairly early in Boston.

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6069796]Just for fun, I strolled through Tryst to see what's new and I would say a good 50% are 700 and up. Now, I've only had one experience many years ago with a porn star that I forked 600 and that was a lot back then. Needless to say, it wasn't a blown away experience. In fact, the girls that I saw in the Phoenix offered a better experience. Now, I did hire a few 300+ here and there and some were great and some were decent.

With this new thread and the girls today, how great are these women that charge 700+? I know "maybe" you'll get a BBBJ depending on the girl and most likely CFS. Granted, you'll get a beautiful woman and perhaps intelligent? I've read some guys got ripped off some of the these high end girls. For those that have plenty in the bank may not be a concern. But, the others, like myself who would like to stay within reasonable rates is a huge loss if the service wasn't there. I've met a few 150 Brazilian women, absolutely beautiful. But, communication was non-existent due to the language barrier, robotic and everything was covered. Did I enjoy this gorgeous woman? Absolutely? Was it a great service? Well, I did get my nut. But, it wasn't a satisfying nut, if that makes sense.

Happy to read your comments.[/QUOTE]First all appointments are a risk as you know. Its a gamble. For me, I enjoy the better skin, body, conversation, clean room etc. Sometimes the sex is awesome and sometimes its meh. Just like in life I guess. I just do my research and hope to get 2 nuts. Honestly the best high end ones are the low volume. It scratches my itch more-so than the Skg. Infound when I hot the low end high volume I'm looking again the next day.

Ill go to the hotel, get a drink or 2 at the lobby bar. I try to make the most if the experience.

[QUOTE=Dmoai;6070134]I know there is a Brazilian Girls thread and they are probably there already, but could someone post their website url's here?[/QUOTE]I don't know why, but they specifically request that their website not be posted, and I honor that request despite not understanding the reasoning behind it.

However, if you search on Google, you will easily find their site.

[QUOTE=Alejhenry;6070620]I don't know why, but they specifically request that their website not be posted, and I honor that request despite not understanding the reasoning behind it.

However, if you search on Google, you will easily find their site.[/QUOTE]Quite silly of TB, especially given how easy peasy it is to guess as I did. As a non-member, here it is:

[URL]https://www.travelingbrazilians.com/[/URL]

For some, yes it is worth it once in awhile. It isn't frequent, but can be very enjoyable to see someone that has a model's body or delivers exceptional seevices. It may be a bucket list event. So I'll admit that I broke the bank and saw Veronica Rodriguez, the porn star was the sex better, no. But sweet Jesus, I got to fuck fucking Veronica Rodriguez! Would I see her again, no, but it was worthwhile to me.

[QUOTE=Nimbus22;6070186]First all appointments are a risk as you know. Its a gamble. For me, I enjoy the better skin, body, conversation, clean room etc. Sometimes the sex is awesome and sometimes its meh. Just like in life I guess. I just do my research and hope to get 2 nuts. Honestly the best high end ones are the low volume. It scratches my itch more-so than the Skg. Infound when I hot the low end high volume I'm looking again the next day.

Ill go to the hotel, get a drink or 2 at the lobby bar. I try to make the most if the experience.[/QUOTE]

I simply don't see the value for those kinds of hourly rates. Typically it's when a provider offers something unique. Adult industry star as already mentioned, exotic ethnicity (seen less frequently in the hobby), extra-special expertise (BDSM, acting skills for role play, legitimate sorts of Tantra / Yoga / meditation combined educationally into the session).

I tend to find what I'm looking for in the $400-$500 range. Educated, nice hotel, can hold a good conversation, personable, professional, of a certain age. I also don't do more than an hour ever. I'm not interested in drinks or a meal or socializing at length. Occasionally, I'll pay extra for a PSE rate which to me is athletic sex, can move into different positions like dancers. I'm good at reading body language and going with the flow (and keeping things fun), so after the first visit I find the PSE upcharge ignored in many cases.

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6069796]Just for fun, I strolled through Tryst to see what's new and I would say a good 50% are 700 and up. Now, I've only had one experience many years ago with a porn star that I forked 600 and that was a lot back then. Needless to say, it wasn't a blown away experience. In fact, the girls that I saw in the Phoenix offered a better experience. Now, I did hire a few 300+ here and there and some were great and some were decent.

With this new thread and the girls today, how great are these women that charge 700+? I know "maybe" you'll get a BBBJ depending on the girl and most likely CFS. Granted, you'll get a beautiful woman and perhaps intelligent? I've read some guys got ripped off some of the these high end girls. For those that have plenty in the bank may not be a concern. But, the others, like myself who would like to stay within reasonable rates is a huge loss if the service wasn't there. I've met a few 150 Brazilian women, absolutely beautiful. But, communication was non-existent due to the language barrier, robotic and everything was covered. Did I enjoy this gorgeous woman? Absolutely? Was it a great service? Well, I did get my nut. But, it wasn't a satisfying nut, if that makes sense.

Happy to read your comments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EasiePeasie;6068083]Nicole is also young (~30) with large but firm chest and here next week. Both are great but Nicole speaks English while Alexa knows very little. They are both listed with correct ages but some, like Susy who is listed as 35 is on other sites as Natacha and Natabella and as 40+. Usually you can tell by at least one pic on BI which looks less professional and shows an older lady. In Susy's case the pic of her back looks like a 40 yo.[/QUOTE]That's all fair, I just meant that the "average" provider at BI might be in her 30's. But the last two I have seen there, Bree and Niki, were both were early 20's. Bree was a bit of a let-down, but Nika was like the horniest girlfriend I had in college, just ripping off her clothes to get started. That said, I think the 'nearly-MILF' providers that are more common at BI are generally better at what they do. They are seasoned, but not cynical, generally pros who do really enjoy their work. The younger providers don't always have that vibe.

[QUOTE=Evenings;6070995]I simply don't see the value for those kinds of hourly rates. Typically it's when a provider offers something unique. Adult industry star as already mentioned, exotic ethnicity (seen less frequently in the hobby), extra-special expertise (BDSM, acting skills for role play, legitimate sorts of Tantra / Yoga / meditation combined educationally into the session).

I tend to find what I'm looking for in the $400-$500 range. Educated, nice hotel, can hold a good conversation, personable, professional, of a certain age. I also don't do more than an hour ever. I'm not interested in drinks or a meal or socializing at length. Occasionally, I'll pay extra for a PSE rate which to me is athletic sex, can move into different positions like dancers. I'm good at reading body language and going with the flow (and keeping things fun), so after the first visit I find the PSE upcharge ignored in many cases.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. I find the best experiences I've had were sort of in the middle of the price range -- the high-end providers rarely offer much that distinguishes them, so that can be disappointing even when it's a good experience. Often at the upper end one finds very beautiful / young women who are not all that good at this work. The bottom of the barrel (below 200, usually) I have found to be a cesspool of scammers, desperation and bad hygiene. The 350-500 range usually is where you'll find the best gems, in my experience.

[QUOTE=KashkaiBoy;6071097]I agree with this. I find the best experiences I've had were sort of in the middle of the price range -- the high-end providers rarely offer much that distinguishes them, so that can be disappointing even when it's a good experience. Often at the upper end one finds very beautiful / young women who are not all that good at this work. The bottom of the barrel (below 200, usually) I have found to be a cesspool of scammers, desperation and bad hygiene. The 350-500 range usually is where you'll find the best gems, in my experience.[/QUOTE]Agree with this too. Although my range is 350-600 where I've had the best success.

I've only have 2 $1 K+ spurges in my mongering past with one woman dates; both were porn stars (one amazing, one meh but I also got to take pictures with her so also value there). I vigorously scour reviews for any girls I'd consider over $400; I will also add in my time reading those reviews, less than 5% were actually able to pass the smell test on whether I'd even CONSIDER seeing them, never mind actually doing so.

[QUOTE=EasiePeasie;6070819]Quite silly of TB, especially given how easy peasy it is to guess as I did. As a non-member, here it is:

[URL]https://www.travelingbrazilians.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for the link. When I just checked, there are 4 girls listed and only 1 has the price listed ($450). I am assuming that they are also in the $350 to $500 range.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist420;6071865]Agree with this too. Although my range is 350-600 where I've had the best success.

I've only have 2 $1 K+ spurges in my mongering past with one woman dates; both were porn stars (one amazing, one meh but I also got to take pictures with her so also value there). I vigorously scour reviews for any girls I'd consider over $400; I will also add in my time reading those reviews, less than 5% were actually able to pass the smell test on whether I'd even CONSIDER seeing them, never mind actually doing so.[/QUOTE]I also agree with this 350 to 600 is my sweet spot and I still balk at 600. It seems once I'm comfortable spending a certain amount on someone after doing the research the price then goes up. It's just by chance and just my luck. I'd be happy at 400 and I think there are still some very good ones out there at that price.

Another lovely woman I have visited recently is Robyn. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/robyn[/URL] Her photos there are an honest representation of her appearance. She is also well reviewed on TER but otherwise she does not advertise. Robyn is fairly new to the business and has already shown herself to be both able and professional. She hosts in Allston / Brighton and has been pretty open with her menu (YMMV of course). She had a * page and some of you may have seen her content before.

Attractive, skilled provider, with a fun personality. Hoping to see her again soon.

[QUOTE=OsirisRises;6075296]Another lovely woman I have visited recently is Robyn. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/robyn[/URL] Her photos there are an honest representation of her appearance. She is also well reviewed on TER but otherwise she does not advertise. Robyn is fairly new to the business and has already shown herself to be both able and professional. She hosts in Allston / Brighton and has been pretty open with her menu (YMMV of course). She had a * page and some of you may have seen her content before.

Attractive, skilled provider, with a fun personality. Hoping to see her again soon.[/QUOTE]She's been on my radar too. Having a hard time booking her tho because price to performance sounds great for petite GFE and I'm sure the whales/regs are pouring in.

Just wondering if this agency has reviews on TER and who the good providers are there. Finally got a membership but not sure who to see. What makes them so special? Any info on the names of good providers there?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/audreysongxo[/URL]#rates.

1,200 an hour and requires 25% deposit or Amazon Gift Card with code. Oh, she's pretty flexible and takes Crypto and Venmo. SMH. That's 300 per client before even walking in the door. Do this several times a day and you'll make more than 1 K a day for this scam. Even if she was real, I can't imagine a 1,200 session would be. I'm sure some of you high rollers seen these type of girls, be interested to know how the session went.

Anybody interested in a visit from Amanda Greene?

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAmandaGreene[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6084720][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/audreysongxo[/URL]#rates.

1,200 an hour and requires 25% deposit or Amazon Gift Card with code. Oh, she's pretty flexible and takes Crypto and Venmo. SMH. That's 300 per client before even walking in the door. Do this several times a day and you'll make more than 1 K a day for this scam. Even if she was real, I can't imagine a 1,200 session would be. I'm sure some of you high rollers seen these type of girls, be interested to know how the session went.[/QUOTE]I would never give a deposit. Got screwed over once by an escort who was supposed to do a custom video for me. I paid her through cash app, but she never followed through on the video. Best I got was a few lingerie / nude photos that weren't on her website or on any of her ads. Then she disappeared and is no longer an active provider. She was a trusted lady too who I had many great sessions with. Lesson learned I guess. Most of these high end ladies have Twitter / IG / Snapchat. I've read a lot of their complaints that they are sick of dealing with time wasting guys so they ask for deposits now. So there are dumb guys ruining it for the rest of us. I'm sure they have some high rollers paying these deposits. All this aside, at this price point ($1000 - $1200), it's not worth it. I'll guarantee a session with her won't be any better than a session with someone with good reviews and charges $400-$600 per hour.

In addition to this. Some of these ladies will post the supposed gifts these clients buy for them. Don't be fooled by that either and feel some need to try to keep up or outdo the last guy. You'll see on their social media a photo of some luxury item with a "Thank you Mr. S!" or something like that. This is almost always an illusion and most likely she bought the gift for herself under the guise some client got it for them. Maybe someone did, but I'm more inclined to believe she got it herself with the cash she just got from a session with a client.

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6084720][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/audreysongxo[/URL]#rates.

1,200 an hour and requires 25% deposit or Amazon Gift Card with code. Oh, she's pretty flexible and takes Crypto and Venmo. SMH. That's 300 per client before even walking in the door. Do this several times a day and you'll make more than 1 K a day for this scam. Even if she was real, I can't imagine a 1,200 session would be. I'm sure some of you high rollers seen these type of girls, be interested to know how the session went.[/QUOTE]I wonder what she will do different than a girl that charge $400.

There's a members forum you'll have access to after your first visit. Biased reviews naturally, but useful. Go with anyone you find attractive and who has extras you want, if any. Pictures are real. Service standards are relatively consistent. Fill in your preferences etc, and they will be followed. Read the rules. They are pretty strict with procedures. I see few TER reviews up for XOC.

[QUOTE=ItsaAGame;6084452]Just wondering if this agency has reviews on TER and who the good providers are there. Finally got a membership but not sure who to see. What makes them so special? Any info on the names of good providers there?[/QUOTE]

Just a warning to those out there to avoid seeing this woman. This is also a reminder that a girl charging "high end" prices doesn't always deliver. And an experienced old fart like me fell for it this week. She hosts out of an okay hotel and charges 500 per hour. Now that usually gets me super GFE service with a good looking Brazilian provider. She had great pictures so I decided to try her out. I arrived and she had kinda of an attitude to her, definitely in her 30's face looks worn and tits are saggy. Worse of all? For five bills, she only offered CBJ. No FS, no GFE, no DATY nothing. This girl is worse than the two girls that travel from Florida. She is kinda skinny so that's about it. On top of it all, the CBJ wasn't even good and done with no passion.

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[QUOTE=Evenings;6086120]There's a members forum you'll have access to after your first visit. Biased reviews naturally, but useful. Go with anyone you find attractive and who has extras you want, if any. Pictures are real. Service standards are relatively consistent. Fill in your preferences etc, and they will be followed. Read the rules. They are pretty strict with procedures. I see few TER reviews up for XOC.[/QUOTE]Do some girls offer BBFS?

[QUOTE=ItsaAGame;6084452]Just wondering if this agency has reviews on TER and who the good providers are there. Finally got a membership but not sure who to see. What makes them so special? Any info on the names of good providers there?[/QUOTE]They actively discourage people from posting reviews on TER. Probably because they can't control what people say there. There's a few reviews up there, but not many.

No. Extra are things like Greek, COF, etc. Depends on the provider.

[QUOTE=RazGrizace00;6087903]Do some girls offer BBFS?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Style20;6085289]I wonder what she will do different than a girl that charge $400.[/QUOTE]My guess would be that the answer is, nothing. Women like this, you're paying for their looks.

It's not like they invented something new sexually here. There are a lot of high rollers out there that spending this type of money, is nothing to them. I unfortunately, don't happen to be one of them.

[QUOTE=Style20;6085289]I wonder what she will do different than a girl that charge $400.[/QUOTE]Sexually, probably not much at all. These women are marketing themselves as something as a cut above the average woman.

They buy high end clothing, shoes, lingerie, make up, always have nails done, etc. Many have an advanced degree and use that in their marketing as a cut above.

Stay in very expensive hotels.

These women for the most part are not worth what they ask.

I replied to a thread on the massage parlor report, but it got no traction there. Probably better to put it here. Super-hot provider offering different services under different names. She's been around a while (I follow her on twitter) but I've not seen any reports on her. Anyone have personal experience with her (them).

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[QUOTE=MamboMikea;6085043]Anybody interested in a visit from Amanda Greene?

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAmandaGreene[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn! I sure am interested in a visit from her.

[QUOTE=MamboMikea;6085043]Anybody interested in a visit from Amanda Greene?

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAmandaGreene[/URL][/QUOTE]Only 1 ter review, posted last month, under that name, which is odd for someone with a professional website. Has she used other names?

[QUOTE=BlackHoleSun82;6048234]Thanks for the thread. I will be contributing. I have reviewed her before, but I can recommend Fernanda Lacey. She's a short blonde 30's Brazilian. Rate is 400+, but she is hot and nice. She's been out of town a lot, but is from the Boston area.[/QUOTE]30's about 10 years ago, trust me she's 40 plus, guaranteed. Mechanical, as in same every time.

Lets be clear here. High price doesn't guarantee great service. You have to do your research just like with the ghetto girls. When I pay 300 or 400+ and do my research I'm not running into towels with brown streak shit stains on the floor, kitchens with rotted food and trash, smoked filled house etc. If you all like then, enjoy. I did it and now done with it. You pay more in the long run because you need more frequent visits to stay satisfied.

More often then not I get someone clean, good looking, nice, can carry a conversation and a couple.

Nice loads popped. Its been a while since I had a girl pass out with my cock in her mouth and I'd like to keep it that way.

[QUOTE=EasiePeasie;6091183]Only 1 ter review, posted last month, under that name, which is odd for someone with a professional website. Has she used other names?[/QUOTE]Seems to always be the problem for me as well. If I can't find enough information on them, I don't trust the photos. Not sure how to breakthrough this. I myself am after better looking women. I know they will not always be the best either, but I would rather pay a more to get someone who is good looking and has a nice clean place than deal with drama, messy, and sometimes drugged out providers.

[QUOTE=JohnTies;6090291]Sexually, probably not much at all. These women are marketing themselves as something as a cut above the average woman.

They buy high end clothing, shoes, lingerie, make up, always have nails done, etc. Many have an advanced degree and use that in their marketing as a cut above.

Stay in very expensive hotels.

These women for the most part are not worth what they ask.[/QUOTE]I know there are exceptions. For the most part my experience with a higher end lady was no different at $400 per hour than at $800 her hour. Nicer hotel room maybe and maybe dressed slightly nicer in a little more expensive lingerie or outfits. Some of them who claim to have a college degree, masters degree etc are funny, because I know that's mostly a lie. They may have been taking classes towards something. Some really do have college degrees and are highly educated but they got their degree in a field they can't make any money in. Not the same level of income they can make escorting anyway. I knew a girl who got her bachelors degree in journalism and she quickly found out that she couldn't make shit in that field. Although I think she freelance writes and has gotten a few paid gigs. She still escorted in between paid writing gigs. Knew this other lady who told me she was essentially homeless. Homeless meaning she had no fixed permanent address and just lived in nice hotels while she toured around. Not sure where her mail was actually going. You can pay just about every bill online these days. She considered herself high end too and just toured different cities staying in nice hotels and racking up travel points and frequent flyer miles to where she would eventually get free rooms and upgrades. She couldn't handle it psychologically anymore and had to quit for a while to get some stability in her life.

[QUOTE=RationalDude;6091555]30's about 10 years ago, trust me she's 40 plus, guaranteed. Mechanical, as in same every time.[/QUOTE]I had a pretty good time with her and she looks good. Tiny bit of a butter face, but not bad. Appreciate the info though, good for anyone to make an informed decision.

[QUOTE=AzngrlLuvr;6093530]I know there are exceptions. For the most part my experience with a higher end lady was no different at $400 per hour than at $800 her hour. Nicer hotel room maybe and maybe dressed slightly nicer in a little more expensive lingerie or outfits. Some of them who claim to have a college degree, masters degree etc are funny, because I know that's mostly a lie. They may have been taking classes towards something. Some really do have college degrees and are highly educated but they got their degree in a field they can't make any money in. Not the same level of income they can make escorting anyway. I knew a girl who got her bachelors degree in journalism and she quickly found out that she couldn't make shit in that field. Although I think she freelance writes and has gotten a few paid gigs. She still escorted in between paid writing gigs. Knew this other lady who told me she was essentially homeless. Homeless meaning she had no fixed permanent address and just lived in nice hotels while she toured around. Not sure where her mail was actually going. You can pay just about every bill online these days. She considered herself high end too and just toured different cities staying in nice hotels and racking up travel points and frequent flyer miles to where she would eventually get free rooms and upgrades. She couldn't handle it psychologically anymore and had to quit for a while to get some stability in her life.[/QUOTE]I know of some higher end ladies who have decent paying regular jobs, but do this on the side because they either get a thrill or just like sex. But because they wear nice clothes and stay in nice hotels and they're well spoken and educated. They charge a higher rate. My ATF used to run her own business (for tax purposes) where she would make custom dresses and lingerie. Which led to a moment when she was in the Financial District in her escort persona and ran into a friend of her parents, and had to be like, "Oh. I'm meeting a client who I'm designing a wedding dress for!" And then once she ditched the guy she she met her client, had a nice meal, and got railed in his office.

Same girl also told me how, when she went on vacation to Paris she put up an ad just for the heck of it (to see what kind of replies she would get) and Every French guy who inquired asked if she did anal. Which she didn't.

[QUOTE=Wabbitt9;6096283]I know of some higher end ladies who have decent paying regular jobs, but do this on the side because they either get a thrill or just like sex. [/QUOTE]I know at least four girls, probably more, that are nurses in their real jobs.

I once met a beautiful, tall German young woman in an FKK club. She was a stewardess for a major airline and was on a layover. She wasn't wearing any clothes and I spent the whole day fucking her for 100 euro per hour. Brings back a great memory.

So yes, many providers have day jobs and travel the world on the client mongers dime.

[QUOTE=Wabbitt9;6096283]I know of some higher end ladies who have decent paying regular do this on the side because they either get a thrill or just like sex. But because they wear nice clothes and stay in nice hotels and they're well spoken and educated. They charge a higher rate. [/QUOTE]