Philly Sugar

I don't go back and forth too much, is maybe what I was thinking. I don't like to waste time, so I'll send an initial message, usually something that probably generates a chuckle based on something on her profile, and then in the next 2-3 messages I try to move things to texting and specific arrangement details. Maybe I need to take more time and nurture the relationship along or something? But that's not really what I'm looking for. If I wanted to commit a bunch of time to that, I'd just use one of the many other free normal dating apps out there instead of trying to find a SB and short circuit the path to hooking up.

I do definitely see what you're getting at about the whole college girl thing. They are the type of women I'm shooting for, and I definitely do get the vibe that they don't want to be treated as escorts or anything like that, even though, lets be honest, they're getting paid for intimacy at the end of the day. I guess I got to play along though and pretend its something more than it is though.

When you say you're "generous" my concern with a message like that would be that then the girl might expect you to offer an unreasonable dollar figure and see you as an easy mark or something. My normal offers are between $$ and $$ per meet depending on how attracted I am to the girl, and what other expenses I might need to cover (e. G. If she can host, I can save on hotel costs, if she doesn't want care about date activities, I can save some money, etc.). Would you qualify that as "generous" for the philly metro region?

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4009788]I don't go back and forth too much, is maybe what I was thinking. I don't like to waste time, so I'll send an initial message, usually something that probably generates a chuckle based on something on her profile, and then in the next 2-3 messages I try to move things to texting and specific arrangement details. Maybe I need to take more time and nurture the relationship along or something? But that's not really what I'm looking for. If I wanted to commit a bunch of time to that, I'd just use one of the many other free normal dating apps out there instead of trying to find a SB and short circuit the path to hooking up.

I do definitely see what you're getting at about the whole college girl thing. They are the type of women I'm shooting for, and I definitely do get the vibe that they don't want to be treated as escorts or anything like that, even though, lets be honest, they're getting paid for intimacy at the end of the day. I guess I got to play along though and pretend its something more than it is though.

When you say you're "generous" my concern with a message like that would be that then the girl might expect you to offer an unreasonable dollar figure and see you as an easy mark or something. My normal offers are between $$ and $$ per meet depending on how attracted I am to the girl, and what other expenses I might need to cover (e. G. If she can host, I can save on hotel costs, if she doesn't want care about date activities, I can save some money, etc.). Would you qualify that as "generous" for the philly metro region?[/QUOTE]Ideally I try to get their number within 3-4 messages (one way, or 6-8 total). But it depends on the situation, you just have to try to gauge her comfort level and interest. I don't take too much time with messaging. It's really hard to build a genuine connection via messaging or text so as with any other kind of dating, the main goal of messaging is to get her number. And the main goal of texting is to get her to meet.

Not sure if I agree with you on the idea that if you're going to commit time, you should use a normal dating app. But it depends on you and what you're looking for. One can choose to use SA in different ways. If you're on SA looking for escorts or older women, it's really easy and fast to find them. But if you're looking for the best looking young college girls, it is a lot of work and I'd say that using SA takes just as much energy as a normal dating app. The difference is that the allowance allows you to date out of your league, in terms of looks and age.

I'm in my late 30's but can pass for early 30's. I can easily date fairly attractive women in their late 20's and early 30's. But on SA, with an allowance, I can see very attractive 18-24 year old college students who, for the most part, wouldn't be available to me on a normal dating site. Most 20-year-old college students would never even see my tinder profile and if they did, they'd likely swipe right based on my age alone. SA is most definitely NOT the easiest way to find a quick fuck. But it is probably the best venue to find very attractive and low-volume girls. The best girls on SA easily rival very high end NYC escorts asking for a grand an hour. Of course there are some really nice girl-next-door types too.

Of course I don't see much difference between SBs and escorts, other than the fact that you can get a much better value from SBs. Of course, there are some girls on SA not looking for an allowance, or who are open to vanilla dating if you get along well. I've had a few freebies and even dated a few girls I met there. But those are rare and you definitely need to put in some time. I had two nice dating relationships on SA and a few hookups / fwbs.

I usually start at 250 and maybe go to 300, but that's for what I consider to be the best looking students on SA. When I was in the midwest I saw most girls for 200, but the best girls in Philly seem to be asking a bit more, which is fair. I don't think that really qualifies as generous, but no one has ever called me out on it. The girls looking for the really high numbers, $500-1000 per meet or a high monthly allowance, usually mention that right up front and I thank them for their time and move on. If you're looking for more of the UTR escort type, then perhaps being more up front is a good idea. But here's why I like that language when hitting up new SBs. It's not at all legally incriminating nor will it get your SA account deleted. It won't turn off girls who are looking to vanilla date a more successful guy. And finally, it's not sleazy and won't scare off girls who are doing this for the first time.

Pretty much every girl I've met on SA has told me they hate it when a guy's first or second message is "let's go to my hotel for $xxx", but pretty much all of them have been willing to go back to my place for the same amount after meeting in person for coffee or a drink.

I was thinking about SA from the perspective of. I have little time but money to spend, I'm going to short circuit the whole "hookup" process with money and meet and sleep with 18-24 year old beautiful women, who, like you said, would probably be out of my league. I kinda figured I'd be paying for speeding up the process and improving my odds w / beautiful women. I'm a little bit younger than you, so I guess I COULD potentially hook up normally with some of these women (though I'd still probably be a bit too old for them) but with a bunch of difficulty and a low chance of success and high time / energy commitment.

I figured by spending money, I'd lower the difficulty and time / energy commitment and increase my chances, and maybe it has, but not by any significant amount. I guess it gets my foot in the door, but I still have to work my ass off to close the deal, which is what I was looking to avoid. Like I said before, I do already have a sugar relationship for 250 ppm which I'm happy with, and I'd be willing to pay more than that for more of the right women, but I kinda just figured it would be a lot easier and faster to find these relationships since that's what I thought the money was for.

I'm forward about wanting to set up an arrangement with women in my messages but I don't explicitly mention the intimacy portion until its over text, so I don't really know why I'm being ghosted so often on messages after a couple back and forths.

In any case thanks for your wisdom and wealth of knowledge!

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4013842]I was thinking about SA from the perspective of. I have little time but money to spend, I'm going to short circuit the whole "hookup" process with money and meet and sleep with 18-24 year old beautiful women, who, like you said, would probably be out of my league. I kinda figured I'd be paying for speeding up the process and improving my odds w / beautiful women. I'm a little bit younger than you, so I guess I COULD potentially hook up normally with some of these women (though I'd still probably be a bit too old for them) but with a bunch of difficulty and a low chance of success and high time / energy commitment.

I figured by spending money, I'd lower the difficulty and time / energy commitment and increase my chances, and maybe it has, but not by any significant amount. I guess it gets my foot in the door, but I still have to work my ass off to close the deal, which is what I was looking to avoid. Like I said before, I do already have a sugar relationship for 250 ppm which I'm happy with, and I'd be willing to pay more than that for more of the right women, but I kinda just figured it would be a lot easier and faster to find these relationships since that's what I thought the money was for.

I'm forward about wanting to set up an arrangement with women in my messages but I don't explicitly mention the intimacy portion until its over text, so I don't really know why I'm being ghosted so often on messages after a couple back and forths.

In any case thanks for your wisdom and wealth of knowledge![/QUOTE]Sometimes it works out that way. One of my favorite SBs was a 19-year-old college student. I wrote to her one evening. She had replied in the morning, and during the day we messaged then texted. We met that night and hooked up. She's one of the most beautiful girls I've been with. Blond hair, 5'9", slim but with nice tits, and a truly beautiful face. I almost bailed on her because she asked if she could bring a friend to the meet and greet. But I'm really glad I didn't. I saw her often until I moved out of town, and I still see her once in a while when we're in the same area. I've had a few other girls who I met and hooked up with within a day or two. You do need some amount of flexibility and you need to be ready to jump in if you meet a good one.

Another time I messaged a girl, moved to text, then met her for coffee the next morning. She was almost an hour late. This is why I often schedule meet and greets for coffee at a place I like. Even if she doesn't show I'll have a good coffee and breakfast. I would usually not wait an hour for a girl, but she looked beautiful in her photos. When she showed up, I was finished my coffee and I was about to leave. She was a mess. She was high, smelled like stale weed, maybe a little drunk, and still had her makeup on from partying the night before. She was a bit of a narcissist and a wannabe model, but she was also friendly and sweet. She was so out of it that when we left the coffeeshop she literally walked right into a parked car and fell over. I was thinking I'd never see her again. But later that day she texted me, apologized, and we made a date for the next evening. She also turned out to be really great, and she was also among the most beautiful girls I've been with.

I guess my point is that an arrangement can speed things up if you meet the right person. But it still takes time to find the good ones.

Depending on how young you are, some girls may be ghosting because a LOT of the very young guys on SA are just looking to hook up for free. Perhaps in your case, you should mention an allowance a little earlier so they know you're serious. But honestly, a lot of girls on SA are flakes, it goes with the territory. It may be helpful to pay attention to the local college schedules. If it's mid-terms or exam week, for example, it's going to be more difficult.

I couldn't verify if this girl is real. But we talked a bit on the site and I got her number. I'd be curious if any of you saw her. She was ready to go for $300. But I had just met another girl at the time so I passed.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/11bcf514-f161-4ba8-9aad-d40f205d7465[/URL]

Yeah when I made a fake female profile, I saw my competition, which is a bunch of people in their 20's definitely without the financial means to be supporting a sugar hobby, so I can see why they might think being younger I might be the same. But I just want to be careful about hinting at money too soon, since 1) I want to do PPM which I believe seeking will ban you for so I try to discuss that via text, and 2) again I feel like some of the younger women on the site don't want to be thought of as escorts even though they basically are, so I don't know if bringing up money will turn them off.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4015093]Yeah when I made a fake female profile, I saw my competition, which is a bunch of people in their 20's definitely without the financial means to be supporting a sugar hobby, so I can see why they might think being younger I might be the same. But I just want to be careful about hinting at money too soon, since 1) I want to do PPM which I believe seeking will ban you for so I try to discuss that via text, and 2) again I feel like some of the younger women on the site don't want to be thought of as escorts even though they basically are, so I don't know if bringing up money will turn them off.[/QUOTE]It's pretty simple to make a chick profile? Never tried, but do they get automatic access that we don't?

Wasn't hard for me. Dunno if I got lucky or whatever. Wouldn't let me message people though, which I wanted to do to message myself to test how that worked on both ends, as well as favoriting a profile.

BTW thanks for all the advice and stuff, I've changed game up a bit, and instead of just trying to move right to phone number immediately after 1-2 messages, I'm spending maybe 5-10 more messages before asking for a number, and making it clear, though not explicitly, that I'm willing to pay for intimate dates and I'm not just on the site to try to get free hookups. This lets the woman feel a bit more comfortable with me I think, and makes it feel less transactional to them (ironically despite the fact that I'm making the $ aspect of it clear), and they don't think I'm just looking for a warm hole to park my junior into.

In the past 2 days, I've scheduled too many m&gs to honestly hope to go to all of them, so things are looking up. Just needed to change things up a little tiny bit.

Has anyone seen this one? Have been in contact with her for awhile she's pretty young but for the most part knows her stuff just a little hesistant to pull the trigger. Thank you gentleman!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/662e5328-1391-8d79-ae19-0632d171f436[/URL]

Is this one a pro?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9cd335e-1b60-4a7c-85df-39e75436266e[/URL]

If yalls looking for philly area with discretion, where do you do the intro meet? I heard the temple area has the largest concentration of young 20's.

How do you guys find enough new blood to message? Maybe my standards are too high, but I'm getting tired of seeing the same 30 or so women over and over again with my search criteria on SA. A bunch of them aren't really serious about doing anything. Many have unreasonable expectations. Some have no means of transportation (I live in the burbs). Of the few remaining, I've messaged all the ones I'm interested in, and there aren't enough new members joining up regularly to make the site worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4027377]How do you guys find enough new blood to message? Maybe my standards are too high, but I'm getting tired of seeing the same 30 or so women over and over again with my search criteria on SA. A bunch of them aren't really serious about doing anything. Many have unreasonable expectations. Some have no means of transportation (I live in the burbs). Of the few remaining, I've messaged all the ones I'm interested in, and there aren't enough new members joining up regularly to make the site worthwhile.[/QUOTE]I found it to be the same. I'm looking for someone more my age early 30's and their aren't many options. I've had extended off site convos with several of them but they don't seem to driven. The younger girls are very driven to make $ but scare me.

Can anyone make any recommends?

So just wondering if you had any luck beyond m&g.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4016502]Wasn't hard for me. Dunno if I got lucky or whatever. Wouldn't let me message people though, which I wanted to do to message myself to test how that worked on both ends, as well as favoriting a profile.

BTW thanks for all the advice and stuff, I've changed game up a bit, and instead of just trying to move right to phone number immediately after 1-2 messages, I'm spending maybe 5-10 more messages before asking for a number, and making it clear, though not explicitly, that I'm willing to pay for intimate dates and I'm not just on the site to try to get free hookups. This lets the woman feel a bit more comfortable with me I think, and makes it feel less transactional to them (ironically despite the fact that I'm making the $ aspect of it clear), and they don't think I'm just looking for a warm hole to park my junior into.

In the past 2 days, I've scheduled too many m&gs to honestly hope to go to all of them, so things are looking up. Just needed to change things up a little tiny bit.[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of what you said. It's the game of patience and follow your instinct in my opinion. You don't wana regret if your instinct asked you to leave to me, I am a bit scared of 18-20 crowd, and just feel a bit safer with 21-28 crowd. What I have also seen to be working is the longer date incentive, meaning lunch / dinner + activity+ home run. If someone buys into that then that's almost like 90% success guaranteed. M&Gs are tricky especially w / o allowance. Success there is less than 40%. The biggest challenge is to figure out Pro vs true SB. At times one also needs to think if that indeed matters if you find the right one who is willing to spend an evening with you but not at an hourly rate. At the end of the day, all that matters is the experience you are able to get. If that meets your expectation in terms of looks, quality of conversation and with passionate ending. You may need to have your own scale for these three buckets and see which one is more important.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4014774]Sometimes it works out that way. One of my favorite SBs was a 19-year-old college student. I wrote to her one evening. She had replied in the morning, and during the day we messaged then texted. We met that night and hooked up. She's one of the most beautiful girls I've been with. Blond hair, 5'9", slim but with nice tits, and a truly beautiful face. I almost bailed on her because she asked if she could bring a friend to the meet and greet. But I'm really glad I didn't. I saw her often until I moved out of town, and I still see her once in a while when we're in the same area. I've had a few other girls who I met and hooked up with within a day or two. You do need some amount of flexibility and you need to be ready to jump in if you meet a good one.

Another time I messaged a girl, moved to text, then met her for coffee the next morning. She was almost an hour late. This is why I often schedule meet and greets for coffee at a place I like. Even if she doesn't show I'll have a good coffee and breakfast. I would usually not wait an hour for a girl, but she looked beautiful in her photos. When she showed up, I was finished my coffee and I was about to leave. She was a mess. She was high, smelled like stale weed, maybe a little drunk, and still had her makeup on from partying the night before. She was a bit of a narcissist and a wannabe model, but she was also friendly and sweet. She was so out of it that when we left the coffeeshop she literally walked right into a parked car and fell over. I was thinking I'd never see her again. But later that day she texted me, apologized, and we made a date for the next evening. She also turned out to be really great, and she was also among the most beautiful girls I've been with.

I guess my point is that an arrangement can speed things up if you meet the right person..[/QUOTE]

Any info on these? Texting convo with all. But not sure yet.

Asking for 4, wants to skip lunch / coffee.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21ba001a-f136-f0b3-9f11-956ac76d8a7e[/URL]

Felt like a pro?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0d573153-93bb-4c99-9c6e-cafc0bb35679[/URL]

Not sure about yet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/751e442a-c093-bc51-49b3-318e7e390b26[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/196dbebf-22d9-420b-8f08-03f12b7b7529[/URL]

Total Flake: last minute drop out.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a6302ce-0c14-47ff-9a68-839cd6289ce6[/URL]

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4083427]So just wondering if you had any luck beyond m&g.[/QUOTE]Didn't go that well hahaha. Over 1/2 the scheduled M&G flaked or were absurdly late. I did end up seeing some of them intimately, but most of them weren't worth it at all. Attitude issues, poor hygiene, bad in bed, untrustworthy, etc. I did meet one somewhat regularly who is beautiful, fun, etc. But I guess its a curse. I get bored of seeing the same women repeatedly no matter how great they are.

My premium account's run out now, and seeing as I've messaged every single SB on the site that I'm attracted to in my region, I'm going to take a break from sugaring for a while. Pop my head back up in a while, hopefully there are some new members by then.

I'm trying out vanilla dating / hooking up apps for now but its tough sledding there. Hopefully once I've built my 6-pack by the spring, I'll see a bit more success there.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4083948]Any info on these? Texting convo with all. But not sure yet.

Asking for 4, wants to skip lunch / coffee.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21ba001a-f136-f0b3-9f11-956ac76d8a7e[/URL]

Felt like a pro?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0d573153-93bb-4c99-9c6e-cafc0bb35679[/URL]

Not sure about yet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/751e442a-c093-bc51-49b3-318e7e390b26[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/196dbebf-22d9-420b-8f08-03f12b7b7529[/URL]

Total Flake: last minute drop out.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a6302ce-0c14-47ff-9a68-839cd6289ce6[/URL][/QUOTE]I spoke to rayOfsunShinee and she seemed legit but I didn't pursue. She did say she liked anal too. Let me know if you have luck.

I also pursued this one for a while [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/94205ea9-34aa-40c8-86fe-f069c43ef603[/URL] but she only seems to check in occasionally. Has anyone met her?

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4083948]Any info on these? Texting convo with all. But not sure yet.

Asking for 4, wants to skip lunch / coffee.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21ba001a-f136-f0b3-9f11-956ac76d8a7e[/URL]

Felt like a pro?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0d573153-93bb-4c99-9c6e-cafc0bb35679[/URL]

Not sure about yet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/751e442a-c093-bc51-49b3-318e7e390b26[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/196dbebf-22d9-420b-8f08-03f12b7b7529[/URL]

Total Flake: last minute drop out.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a6302ce-0c14-47ff-9a68-839cd6289ce6[/URL][/QUOTE]Aubrey-Lynn seems like a pro to me, she wanted to skip the meet and greet. She agreed to 300 but then started in with asking how long we'd be, saying she had a busy schedule, etc. So I bailed because she seemed a little too professional for me. She's been on the site quite a while now. I think I spoke with her about a year ago.

I spoke with rayOfsunShinee, she wanted 300 and seems legit. Perhaps also a bit of a pro. But her body isn't attractive IMO so that's why I passed. I prefer tall and slim. She's quite curvy. She does seem like fun though if you find her attractive.

I haven't had contact with the others you mentioned.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4097304]Aubrey-Lynn seems like a pro to me, she wanted to skip the meet and greet. She agreed to 300 but then started in with asking how long we'd be, saying she had a busy schedule, etc. So I bailed because she seemed a little too professional for me. She's been on the site quite a while now. I think I spoke with her about a year ago.

I spoke with rayOfsunShinee, she wanted 300 and seems legit. Perhaps also a bit of a pro. But her body isn't attractive IMO so that's why I passed. I prefer tall and slim. She's quite curvy. She does seem like fun though if you find her attractive.

I haven't had contact with the others you mentioned.[/QUOTE]How about this MILF? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2f3a7bc5-b502-4dd1-9746-909219d7f7ea[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpxcx;4097573]How about this MILF? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2f3a7bc5-b502-4dd1-9746-909219d7f7ea[/URL].[/QUOTE]I haven't spoken with her, she's not my type. I'm on SA for the college students, 18-22 and preferably tall and slim, and no girls with kids. I can pass for my early 30's and so I can easily hook up with good looking women in their 30's for free. But there's always so much baggage and drama with that. So I tend to date younger women, and for arrangements they need to be significantly better looking than the girls I could attract for free. We all have different taste, but I wouldn't date this one for free.

Out of curiosity, has anyone had contact with these girls? I'm writing or texting with them all, I'll post if / when I have first-hand info to share.

Flaky with messaging, but I know she's real since I found her social media:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1034089c-1432-4514-8ffb-798d32533a3b[/URL]

Seems eager to meet. I'm always hesitant with dancers, since their job is to separate guys from their money. Bit she seems like a nice girl and seems open to a meet and greet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7b236f74-8d7e-477a-a35f-be525511e53b[/URL]

I just got this one's number, no other info yet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b2a2299a-21b4-4b24-9ba3-c687b95977d1[/URL]

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4098563]Out of curiosity, has anyone had contact with these girls? I'm writing or texting with them all, I'll post if / when I have first-hand info to share.

Flaky with messaging, but I know she's real since I found her social media:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1034089c-1432-4514-8ffb-798d32533a3b[/URL]

Seems eager to meet. I'm always hesitant with dancers, since their job is to separate guys from their money. Bit she seems like a nice girl and seems open to a meet and greet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7b236f74-8d7e-477a-a35f-be525511e53b[/URL]

I just got this one's number, no other info yet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b2a2299a-21b4-4b24-9ba3-c687b95977d1[/URL][/QUOTE]I am going on a date with this one today, calls herself Kat. Any of you tried it?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/09d3042c-318e-448a-8ff6-2c336ae854e3[/URL]

I'm noob in this, just wonder when you first time meet them, do you have to pay them?

And do you discuss sex and let them know what you expecting?

Or just follow the flow.

No Pay for meet and greet, almost 99% will not meet you again.

If meet and greet goes well then meet again and start the formal arrangement with bells and whistles. Or you can just go with the flow and see if your meet and greet turns into more fun and your arrangement begins on that first date itself.

Remember, it's your time (hr you make) that's also valuable probably more than a SB's time. So don't get into that "bla bla of my time. ". There will be some hotties who won't meet you w / o agreeing for compensation for first meet. In that case, it's your desperation that will be on call and you must do your best to make sure you both agree that arrangement will be fulfilled only if it's a home run.

Start your 101 in Richmond forum.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL]

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4099015]I'm noob in this, just wonder when you first time meet them, do you have to pay them?

And do you discuss sex and let them know what you expecting?

Or just follow the flow.[/QUOTE]

Tiny Angel: if I recall then for sure a GPS And that also with "Eight Stars" per meet for home run. I am surprised if you did get a meet / greet option. Good luck if decide to go forward.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4098563]Out of curiosity, has anyone had contact with these girls? I'm writing or texting with them all, I'll post if / when I have first-hand info to share.

Flaky with messaging, but I know she's real since I found her social media:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1034089c-1432-4514-8ffb-798d32533a3b[/URL]

Seems eager to meet. I'm always hesitant with dancers, since their job is to separate guys from their money. Bit she seems like a nice girl and seems open to a meet and greet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7b236f74-8d7e-477a-a35f-be525511e53b[/URL]

I just got this one's number, no other info yet:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b2a2299a-21b4-4b24-9ba3-c687b95977d1[/URL][/QUOTE]

Let us know how it went. There are some scary ones on the other side of the Delaware River. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Dingo21;4098613]I am going on a date with this one today, calls herself Kat. Any of you tried it?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/09d3042c-318e-448a-8ff6-2c336ae854e3[/URL][/QUOTE]

Thank you so much!

That is a lot to learn.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4099673]No Pay for meet and greet, almost 99% will not meet you again.

If meet and greet goes well then meet again and start the formal arrangement with bells and whistles. Or you can just go with the flow and see if your meet and greet turns into more fun and your arrangement begins on that first date itself.

Remember, it's your time (hr you make) that's also valuable probably more than a SB's time. So don't get into that "bla bla of my time. ". There will be some hotties who won't meet you w / o agreeing for compensation for first meet. In that case, it's your desperation that will be on call and you must do your best to make sure you both agree that arrangement will be fulfilled only if it's a home run.

Start your 101 in Richmond forum.

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1. do you pay just meet and greet or hangout mean no sex.

2. if they agree, hangout and sex after, what is the market price for this at philly area LOL.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4099679]Let us know how it went. There are some scary ones on the other side of the Delaware River. YMMV.[/QUOTE]She started with the flip the script bullshit. Was going to take her lingirie shopping, then she couldn't leave hjouse because waiting on a package she had to sign for, the says only has an hour until aunt came back, then says she wants 250 on first meet. I told her no thanks, you obviously just playin games.

[QUOTE=Dingo21;4100296]She started with the flip the script bullshit. Was going to take her lingirie shopping, then she couldn't leave hjouse because waiting on a package she had to sign for, the says only has an hour until aunt came back, then says she wants 250 on first meet. I told her no thanks, you obviously just playin games.[/QUOTE]My instinct is she's at least semipro. No time for the shopping just wanted 250 for an hour at her place. Not worth it IMO but I have a gut feeling she was legit. Just less of a sugarbaby and more of an escort.

That's what I was afraid of. If it makes you feel any better, you are not the only one who suffered with their BS. Somehow the other side of Philly in NJ, there are bunch of scammers. Most of them in early 20's and easy to spot by looking at their profiles. You may also wana be mindful if you are meeting in Runnemede NJ / Deptford Mall area. There are a bunch of real time scammers / robbers with boyfriends / baby fathers out there. JUST STAY AWAY. If they are not willing to meet in Philly then move on. Don't get into sad stories of no vehicles, tight schedules, multiple jobs crap. That's just plain BS. Everyone knows how to get into city easily, if they don't then let them stay where they are.

[QUOTE=Dingo21;4100296]She started with the flip the script bullshit. Was going to take her lingirie shopping, then she couldn't leave hjouse because waiting on a package she had to sign for, the says only has an hour until aunt came back, then says she wants 250 on first meet. I told her no thanks, you obviously just playin games.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4101250]That's what I was afraid of. If it makes you feel any better, you are not the only one who suffered with their BS. Somehow the other side of Philly in NJ, there are bunch of scammers. Most of them in early 20's and easy to spot by looking at their profiles. You may also wana be mindful if you are meeting in Runnemede NJ / Deptford Mall area. There are a bunch of real time scammers / robbers with boyfriends / baby fathers out there. JUST STAY AWAY. If they are not willing to meet in Philly then move on. Don't get into sad stories of no vehicles, tight schedules, multiple jobs crap. That's just plain BS. Everyone knows how to get into city easily, if they don't then let them stay where they are.[/QUOTE]LOL I don't understand why south jersey would be any different than philly but this girl from cherry hill wanted $30 cashapp'd before meeting for anything I wanted. So yeah obviously a scam.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4189dd68-e037-41e9-a9b2-1e21a9cf13a7[/URL]

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4101250]That's what I was afraid of. If it makes you feel any better, you are not the only one who suffered with their BS. Somehow the other side of Philly in NJ, there are bunch of scammers. Most of them in early 20's and easy to spot by looking at their profiles. You may also wana be mindful if you are meeting in Runnemede NJ / Deptford Mall area. There are a bunch of real time scammers / robbers with boyfriends / baby fathers out there. JUST STAY AWAY. If they are not willing to meet in Philly then move on. Don't get into sad stories of no vehicles, tight schedules, multiple jobs crap. That's just plain BS. Everyone knows how to get into city easily, if they don't then let them stay where they are.[/QUOTE]Sorry. Wrong link [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e403172a-d700-4af0-b344-71a90169eba8[/URL].

I just started to use SA, and I get many reply.

One girl I'm talking to right seems very cool with anything I say. And I'm pretty sure make it clear like:

My ideal date would be get a coffee or drinks, so we can talk and see if there is any chemistry out there. If, if you decide to like me, would you like to have some intimacy at some where private? I like to be honest and straightforward. Hope you don't mind.

And her answer is: Yes that would be perfect!

So, what should I do next?

I mean, it seems not hard just schedule a meetup, but when we should I mentioned the money part, or I wait for her to ask it.

The best case scenario, we do meet and we go to fuck, but still not mention money, how much I should just give it to her?

Whats the market rate for a girl around 20,8+.

I have so much to learn.

Thanks.

Holy Molly, I got too excited last night and send out the maxim amount emails. I guess I'm working hard. 90 bucks a month, I need get my money worth, right? LOL.

But who know what is the limit amount is? It seems like I can't even reply to messages now.

And how long this ban last?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4099676]Tiny Angel: if I recall then for sure a GPS And that also with "Eight Stars" per meet for home run. I am surprised if you did get a meet / greet option. Good luck if decide to go forward.[/QUOTE]What does "GPS" mean?

Anyways I almost set up a meet w / Tiny Angel, but then I low-balled her I think and now she doesn't respond to my messages. Wasn't actually that low of an offer compared to most other SBs (4 "stars") but I get the feeling she gets paid a LOT of money by other people, so compared to what she usually makes, it was probably low. Too bad. I find her really attractive.

Found her on social media too. Her posts there seem to suggest she gets paid to travel by other SDs and stuff. So yeah definitely out of my budget.

What is the fair offer you guys think?

She is a MILF, chunky, 24.

Good thing about her is very honest, get a place, no far from me LOL.

So, I really have wasted my time with Seeking. Com. I decided to see a girl yesterday that is a pro and posts once in a while. I chose to see her because she posts so rarely. Long story short, I went to see her for a HHR date and had some of the best sex of my life. She's bi-sexual and a freak. Great looking and an awesome personality. So after the date I asked if she had any interest in a SB / SD arrangement. We came to an agreement on $250 per date, minimum 2 dates per month. Dates to include but not limited to, public dinners, drinks, events, social activity. And physical play when and where I choose. Thats right, elevators, parking lots, shoipping malls dressing rooms whatever! No I will not share her info, sorry fellas. This one is mine.

LOL GPS: Golden Pussy Syndrome.

I am not surprised why she stopped messaging you. Eight stars per meet is way beyond most of SDs. She is definitely attractive (7. 5/10 for sure) but what you don't know is what you will get out in your home run. In my mind, it's not the risk worth taking. SHE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE so move on and I am sure you can find a better one who will fit in your stars. Your stars are not low by any standards.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4103476]What does "GPS" mean?

Anyways I almost set up a meet w / Tiny Angel, but then I low-balled her I think and now she doesn't respond to my messages. Wasn't actually that low of an offer compared to most other SBs (4 "stars") but I get the feeling she gets paid a LOT of money by other people, so compared to what she usually makes, it was probably low. Too bad. I find her really attractive.

Found her on social media too. Her posts there seem to suggest she gets paid to travel by other SDs and stuff. So yeah definitely out of my budget.[/QUOTE]

Don't be too specific in SA messaging. These days, you can get banned from their site and your membership will be down the drain. What you mentioned in your prior post, if someone is ok with that then without mentioning the money part ask them to get to texting / emails and discuss more over there. Every once in a while you will run into a nut head who will try to report you to SA. And you definitely don't want your SA messages be a witness of that.

Since you can log in and see your membership active, I will get a day or two. It could be system auto detect. And try not to copy paste same message to every SB when you are sending the first message. If system detects multiple like say for eg. 20 same copy paste, it is likely to trigger spam alert. In 1-2 days you don't get that cleared then contact their customer service, tell them you are new and you don't know what happened. Be a bit careful in future and try typing somewhat different first message using keyboard. Avoid CTRL+C / CTRL+ V type keys for series of messages.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4103162]Holy Molly, I got too excited last night and send out the maxim amount emails. I guess I'm working hard. 90 bucks a month, I need get my money worth, right? LOL.

But who know what is the limit amount is? It seems like I can't even reply to messages now.

And how long this ban last?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]