It look like two girls to me.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3716145]No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. [I]All my photographic work however on both.[/I].[/QUOTE]
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It look like two girls to me.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3716145]No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. [I]All my photographic work however on both.[/I].[/QUOTE]
As I was headed out of town driving down MDA, to pick up a regular girl (Oh Sh*T, I was scooping her off MDA! Say it ain't so! Anyway, as I am driving down MDA, I saw TWO girls doing the stroll. One was blue-eyed Ashley (NOT the Hispanic chick with the following BF) wearing a black hoodie. Got "the look" from her. Then saw a second girl who also gave me the look and who I locked eyes with. She seems familiar but could not place her. BOTH obvious signs: thin, gaunt, hollow look, strolling along, looking at guys driving by. But this must have been a dream or my imagination because I know MDA is dead as a door knob. So don't share this with anyone and please don't shoot me for this fantasy.
OH and BTW. The Box is "dead" too! One utr regular there, found one utr Hbbw on CL from there, another WSW there, the usual scary bSWs too AND reports have it that Lauren (the ghost) is back in that area.
Now all of that said, trafficking in DE IS REAL and a three letter agency is involved. So it looks to me like sharing numbers looks too much like "promoting" a girl and possibly drawing attention. Hobby safe!
Yeah, saw a 20-something white girl, a but thick, in the box this evening. Passed her by and was making a turn to go round and scoop her and in my rear view, I see some other monger pull over and scoop her. So yeah, avoid the box. [I]( unless one wants to get out scooped! )[/I] Then a bit further down was a tiny BSWer milling around. On one pass she came off the curb, shouting at me to get my attention. Such overt behavior is IMHO not good, so I waved her off. But hey perhaps some others would take the plunge?
Then I was out on uLA buying some gas and who should wander by? None other than Stacy! WTF! She was hoofing it out to a predetermined location to meet up with a dude. She said 'hi' and I wished her well. Freaking mongers. Go figure! Getting a girl's digits and making pre-plans to date? What is up with that?
Then as I made a couple of passes, saw none other than S. The knife wielding girl, not the one with the wings tat on her chest. Smiled nicely to myself that I was able to recognize her and thus avoid eye contact or scooping her. I guess some ignorant (unknowledgeable) monger will scoop her and end up playing roulette with the date.
So yeah, don't know why anyone would even bother with hitting the strolls, out there, there is no action.
And douchebag of the week is are- in an Apt in the 5&W area. Expecting $10 is gunna get him sumthin', er, rather everything? I mean I'm all for not overpaying, but seriously, $10 is just a plain insult. IF that is all I have, I pack it in & save up till I can make a real offer.
Oh Sh*t! Was out one afternoon, after doing a project and headed home early and WTF, right there on uLA, there was this 5'4", 110# brown hair girl! What a cutie! Turns out she was a girl that the infamous BP girl Barbie was trying to set me up with last Summer. (Never worked out. She lost her digits and then schedules never meshed when she was over at Barbie's). So finally met her. She did a nice job washing windows and brushing the suede in my ride. Would love to see her again, but no digits! Told me specifically NOT to use her name: either street name or real name. But also said she was out EVERY day! Go figure!
So when I was dropping her off just as rush hour was starting what did I see? This boards perennial favorite uLA girl. Amy! Yep, camped out at the bus stop, like a bowling pin, was that "lovely. " Oh wait, shouldn't say that, as every time I pan a girl everyone rushes out to see her! Maybe I should say YMMV?
And then stopped at a light, who walks by my car in her checkerboard jacket? Michelle!
I know, I am delusional and gorked out on hallucinatory drugs and image all of these things! They can't be real since we all know those freaking streets are D-E-A-D!
Have had a number of guys of all levels reach out to me and wonder where is "The Box". So thought I would post how one can find information on WHERE to find SWers in the "Wilmington" area. From this chair, depending on how one defines the pie, there are 5 or 6 strolls and some add-on areas. As such there is no "best" location. In fact, I have often seen girls on 3 different strolls when making the loops. As my recent post demonstrate, I have dated girls from 4 of the strolls.
Actually over the years as neighbor pressures and LE action have increased the "best" location has migrated. This means that not ONE place is going to be good and each one has its nuances. So if one is window shopping and does NOT see something on one of the strolls, it makes sense to switch over and drive another stroll. One can hit 3-4 strolls in a loop if one wants.
But hey, why would anyone bother to read the HISTORY here in the threads? I mean Jackson & Co. have retained all of those old posts, otherwise they would deleted them and save bandwidth or storage space. But the history in the SW thread is packed full of discussion of the strolls, girls, etc. (shoot only 5 years ago, one kind monger laid out his "loop" of the strolls. [i]Thanks Afraven![/i]) Just a quick look at the pictures from the thread [i](Home > Forum > States & Cities > Delaware > Wilmington > photos) [/i] shows at least 6 maps of various strolls, including a VERY detailed map of Gov Printz stroll area. [u]What possible value could there be in history?[/u]
When I started out, I read EVERY post in the DE threads- back then the long gone "Office" was all of the rage. But also, reading the threads gave me info on scoop techniques, who was out, who to avoid, where / when to find girls and what is an appropriate fee for poetry reading. But hey, who needs that info? I guess it is a case of YMMV and style vs risk tolerance? [u]I am a firm believe that style / education are key to lowering risk.[/u]
So IF one is new, unknowledgeable or just wants to tune current knowledge, there are MAPS which show the strolls around the country. (I guess if one can't or won't read a map, OR you IF you carry a hard-on for the dude who created the thread, then...... perhaps...... [I]{what is the name of this thread?}[/I]) (LOL). Other than those maps in the Wilm SW threads:
[B]Forum > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > Post #41[/B]
Imagine that! This website has all of the info one needs to learn how to become a successful monger? Sorry, we can't open you head and pour the knowledge into it. One has to do a little bit of work! But believe me a bit of work, education and experience is needed to reduce the risk of the hobby. One can take short cuts but eventually the street will find your weakness and win.
Good luck! Stay Safe!
Was just reading one of the DE threads. An Known monger (KM) had posted about one of his girls, to help her out, but added a caveat that he would respond to (Share digits with) those who contribute to the boards! So some unknown monger (UM) posts that he emailed KM and never got a reply! Then KM replied that UM had not met the caveat of "contributions. " Interesting. Is this douchebaggery? Is there a douchebag here?
So I took a look a UM posts.
First posted 04-07-17 with his hand out - [I]Just wondering if anyone has seen her lately or can vouch for her? Is she legit? [/I].
But in nearly a year's time this poster has "contributed" only 7 posts, the above and:
[I] #2 Just wondering if anyone has seen her?
#3 Looking to check this one out.
#4 Has anyone seen her or have any experience with her?
#5 Has anyone seen her? [/I]
#6 posted a link, to the above girl.
#7 Complained he wasn't given the keys to the Kingdom!
OK this looks a bit "interesting. " UM has been around the boards for nearly a year (10-months) and you has not one review post! Has UM not seen even ONE girl? UM has had zero hobby dates? Or is it that UM has not posted a review of even ONE of his hobby dates? HUH? For Goodness sake, just post a freaking review or two PLEASE!
Look, I get it, there maybe legitimate reasons or other thoughts going on as to why one is not participating:
1) [U]One is "scared" to post for some reason.[/U] To that I'd say, open yer F-in mouth as to what is your fear and let's discuss it! There are techniques and things one can do if they have a snooping spouse, etc. Knowledge is the way to over come fear, so why not tap into the vast experience that is hosted here?
2) [U]One does not know how to get started or has fear that holds them back.[/U] Fear is a good thing in the hobby as it keeps one out of trouble. However, fear that keeps one from hobbying is irrational. Shoot when I started I was probably more afraid than any of you ever were and three times as cautious. Yet, with time and the patient guidance of gents here, was able to LEARN and over come fear. So read and ask questions on techniques! I am absolutely SHOCKED as to the lack of any discussions on the DE threads about monger techniques. Lots of newbies around but I guess everyone thinks this is "easy. " From this chair, just about every time I think I know everything in the hobby, think it is easy or assume I am an expert, the hobby bites me in the azz. Oh sure, a few pick ups and one is an expert. Sigh. So yeah, ask questions on "how to" and get started mongering!
3) [U]Afraid to look stupid or unknowledgable[/U] - We all start somewhere! We all are rookies at the beginning. Best I can tell no one slams a rookie who is truly trying to "get it" or who asks "dumb" questions! (the only "dumb" question is the one NOT asked!) Shoot when I started out, I read the boards and for a while just asked other mongers questions about their style or techniques. I could be wrong but I think guys are more willing to share insight into their "how to" rather than specific details on a particular girl. I know I got a TON of great advice and insight from asking "stupid" techniques questions. Shoot one time I even posted that I saw a girl on a pay phone at the Gulf Station at 13/ Memorial. What a dumb question. LOL (and shows how long I have been at it! WTF is a pay phone?) So go ahead and ask about style / technique!
4) [U]One is not really interested info, but is just being a "shill" by posting girls he knows[/U] eh, I guess it could happen, but it is a really dumb approach. The "boards" here are not stupid and usually ferret out shills pretty quickly and that kills one's reputation.
5) [U] One is an internet-baby and views the net as his personal encyclopedia, free for the asking and because he is special, everyone should just give him information anytime he wants it.[/U] Well in this Gent's case he is failing miserably and the reality is smacking him in the face. Successful, long-term hobbying takes time, knowledge, energy and community. Expect to be "given" the keys and one will be shunned. Participate, if only to ask "how to" questions and one will find others more willing to help. Look, Admin can tell you that there is a TREMENDOUS amount of lurking going on here. Then in my observations there is VERY smaller number of serious posters / mongers. But IF I have taken the [B]risk[/B] of scooping a SW or going to see an incall girl or developed one independently, why would I share her with anyone & everyone? What do I get in return. Hey, I don't mind being a nice guy once in a while, but if it is a one-way street, why bother? (I have more girls on a List than time or resources allow!) So step up and contribute and gents will be helpful!
So the point is that one can build a bit of credibility on the threads without posting reviews, but reviews help greatly. (I know as I did it!) But the more "cred" one builds, the more likely one can get info from others. There should be no reason NOT to post unless one is one way or a douchebag. If you need help or have concerns. Just ask! After all asking helps build cred too! LOL!
So if you want to "win" on these here boards, you have got to PARTICIPATE! Just do it!
Look, let me give you insight about these boards and perhaps why guys around here are the way they are. (my apologies to P.S. For using him as an example) But years ago P.S. Posted about a girl in Elkton, named Shantell. P.S. Was kind enough to share digits with me and I dated her. (thanks P.S.) But apparently back then P.S. Shared a girl's number with anyone who requested it. After a couple of dates with Shantell I asked her about how it was going from the P.S. Referrals. Now this is from her mouth and experience. She said she got about 100 texts and calls from guys as a results of P.S. Sharing the number. (doubt he gave it to 100 guys, but once a number is shared, it is out in the wild and others share it with their buddies) So out of 100 contacts about 60% or 60 of the contacts were nothing more than keyboard masterbaters. Guys who request picture after picture after picture so they can jack off to them. Of the remaining 40 about half, or 20 just wanted to chat or never actually get around to setting up a date. Of the remaining 20 who made plans to date, 15 backed out at the last minute or went ghost and never showed up. So out of getting posted here and having to deal with 100 contacts and numerous follow-ups she only got 5 real live dates out of it! That is a 95% failure rate for a shared number! Now you see why guys are reluctant to share digits with just anyone? I have always been impressed by what Shatell told me. So much so that I altered my approach with girls as to distinguish myself from the masterbaters, fakes and flakes. So only sharing a number with "contributors" is one way to hopeful reduce this failure rate?
Oh and in my experience, years ago, I saw a girl reviewed here and during that encounter was introduced to another girl. I got her number and dated her a few times. This girl wasn't "out there" and as such I "developed" her as a regular. Then trying to be a nice guy, posted her and offered up her number to Senior Members. So I got a number of inquiries and one dude had low post count but seemed to have contributed, so I shared her number. The dude went and dated her and as he left she counted the poetry reading fee and the jerk shorted her $40. WTF! Then things turned ugly and there was a scene in the parking lot, dude tried to run over the girl with his car, blah, blah, blah. So when I got the report, I PM'ed the guy to see what was up. Not only did he not have the b@lls to respond, he deleted his profile and went into hiding. Douchebag! So yeah. Why would I share the number of a girl I developed with just anyone?
But it doesn't stop there. Recently I posted pictures about a provider who is a member here, Lovelyk829. I dated Lovelyk829 many years ago and posted reviews of her along with discrete pictures. Shoot, I had guys asking for her contact info for at least a year after that! LOL! But now she is back and asked me to help her out. (still same petite, tight little body) I was glad to help her because 1) she has a profile and thus email here, so I do not have to get involved in passing out her number [I]{something I am loath to do these days because of new found info}[/I] and 2) I know Lovelyk829 can handle her own business and does not need me in the mix. So what are the reports I get back from her about all of youse? "No one serious, just guys playing games!" Hmmm, not one date and all of the guys looking for free handouts? What is up with that? I guess most guys prefer their poetry read to them by 350-lb slobs who will do anything for $10?
So some perspective on what the experiences of others have had with sharing on these board. We can over come this if guys read this and adjust their approach!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3728016]Oh Sh*t! Was out one afternoon, after doing a project and headed home early and WTF, right there on uLA, there was this 5'4", 110# brown hair girl! What a cutie! Turns out she was a girl that the infamous BP girl Barbie was trying to set me up with last Summer. (Never worked out. She lost her digits and then schedules never meshed when she was over at Barbie's). So finally met her. She did a nice job washing windows and brushing the suede in my ride. Would love to see her again, but no digits! Told me specifically NOT to use her name: either street name or real name. But also said she was out EVERY day! Go figure!
So when I was dropping her off just as rush hour was starting what did I see? This boards perennial favorite uLA girl. Amy! Yep, camped out at the bus stop, like a bowling pin, was that "lovely. " Oh wait, shouldn't say that, as every time I pan a girl everyone rushes out to see her! Maybe I should say YMMV?
And then stopped at a light, who walks by my car in her checkerboard jacket? Michelle!
I know, I am delusional and gorked out on hallucinatory drugs and image all of these things! They can't be real since we all know those freaking streets are D-E-A-D![/QUOTE]CL, my man, I know it's been awhile hearing from me. Got in some trouble with my S / O and she has some tight reins on me right now. I'll share more of what happened via pm. Anyways, I had to run some errands yesterday and with the nice weather, decided to check the loops. I shit you not, I counted 17 out on the different strolls. Maybe, it's because I have the keen eye to spot who's working, but very rarely have I gone out and not seen anything.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3731294]Have had a number of guys of all levels reach out to me and wonder where is "The Box". So thought I would post how one can find information on WHERE to find SWers in the "Wilmington" area. From this chair, depending on how one defines the pie, there are 5 or 6 strolls and some add-on areas. As such there is no "best" location. In fact, I have often seen girls on 3 different strolls when making the loops. As my recent post demonstrate, I have dated girls from 4 of the strolls.
Actually over the years as neighbor pressures and LE action have increased the "best" location has migrated. This means that not ONE place is going to be good and each one has its nuances. So if one is window shopping and does NOT see something on one of the strolls, it makes sense to switch over and drive another stroll. One can hit 3-4 strolls in a loop if one wants.
But hey, why would anyone bother to read the HISTORY here in the threads? I mean Jackson & Co. have retained all of those old posts, otherwise they would deleted them and save bandwidth or storage space. But the history in the SW thread is packed full of discussion of the strolls, girls, etc. (shoot only 5 years ago, one kind monger laid out his "loop" of the strolls. [i]Thanks Afraven![/i]) Just a quick look at the pictures from the thread [i](Home > Forum > States & Cities > Delaware > Wilmington > photos) [/i] shows at least 6 maps of various strolls, including a VERY detailed map of Gov Printz stroll area. [u]What possible value could there be in history?[/u]
When I started out, I read EVERY post in the DE threads- back then the long gone "Office" was all of the rage. But also, reading the threads gave me info on scoop techniques, who was out, who to avoid, where / when to find girls and what is an appropriate fee for poetry reading. But hey, who needs that info? I guess it is a case of YMMV and style vs risk tolerance? [u]I am a firm believe that style / education are key to lowering risk.[/u]
So IF one is new, unknowledgeable or just wants to tune current knowledge, there are MAPS which show the strolls around the country. (I guess if one can't or won't read a map, OR you IF you carry a hard-on for the dude who created the thread, then...... perhaps...... [I]{what is the name of this thread?}[/I]) (LOL). Other than those maps in the Wilm SW threads:
[B]Forum > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > Post #41[/B]
Imagine that! This website has all of the info one needs to learn how to become a successful monger? Sorry, we can't open you head and pour the knowledge into it. One has to do a little bit of work! But believe me a bit of work, education and experience is needed to reduce the risk of the hobby. One can take short cuts but eventually the street will find your weakness and win.
Good luck! Stay Safe![/QUOTE]Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3732947]Look, let me give you insight about these boards and perhaps why guys around here are the way they are. (my apologies to P.S. For using him as an example) But years ago P.S. Posted about a girl in Elkton, named Shantell. P.S. Was kind enough to share digits with me and I dated her. (thanks P.S.) But apparently back then P.S. Shared a girl's number with anyone who requested it. After a couple of dates with Shantell I asked her about how it was going from the P.S. Referrals. Now this is from her mouth and experience. She said she got about 100 texts and calls from guys as a results of P.S. Sharing the number. (doubt he gave it to 100 guys, but once a number is shared, it is out in the wild and others share it with their buddies) So out of 100 contacts about 60% or 60 of the contacts were nothing more than keyboard masterbaters. Guys who request picture after picture after picture so they can jack off to them. Of the remaining 40 about half, or 20 just wanted to chat or never actually get around to setting up a date. Of the remaining 20 who made plans to date, 15 backed out at the last minute or went ghost and never showed up. So out of getting posted here and having to deal with 100 contacts and numerous follow-ups she only got 5 real live dates out of it! That is a 95% failure rate for a shared number! Now you see why guys are reluctant to share digits with just anyone? I have always been impressed by what Shatell told me. So much so that I altered my approach with girls as to distinguish myself from the masterbaters, fakes and flakes. So only sharing a number with "contributors" is one way to hopeful reduce this failure rate?
Oh and in my experience, years ago, I saw a girl reviewed here and during that encounter was introduced to another girl. I got her number and dated her a few times. This girl wasn't "out there" and as such I "developed" her as a regular. Then trying to be a nice guy, posted her and offered up her number to Senior Members. So I got a number of inquiries and one dude had low post count but seemed to have contributed, so I shared her number. The dude went and dated her and as he left she counted the poetry reading fee and the jerk shorted her $40. WTF! Then things turned ugly and there was a scene in the parking lot, dude tried to run over the girl with his car, blah, blah, blah. So when I got the report, I PM'ed the guy to see what was up. Not only did he not have the b@lls to respond, he deleted his profile and went into hiding. Douchebag! So yeah. Why would I share the number of a girl I developed with just anyone?
But it doesn't stop there. Recently I posted pictures about a provider who is a member here, Lovelyk829. I dated Lovelyk829 many years ago and posted reviews of her along with discrete pictures. Shoot, I had guys asking for her contact info for at least a year after that! LOL! But now she is back and asked me to help her out. (still same petite, tight little body) I was glad to help her because 1) she has a profile and thus email here, so I do not have to get involved in passing out her number [I]{something I am loath to do these days because of new found info}[/I] and 2) I know Lovelyk829 can handle her own business and does not need me in the mix. So what are the reports I get back from her about all of youse? "No one serious, just guys playing games!" Hmmm, not one date and all of the guys looking for free handouts? What is up with that? I guess most guys prefer their poetry read to them by 350-lb slobs who will do anything for $10?
So some perspective on what the experiences of others have had with sharing on these board. We can over come this if guys read this and adjust their approach![/QUOTE]CL, when I was out there regularly, I would share my adventures, but as you know it bit me in the butt. So, I do understand why some are hesitant to share. As far as lovelyk goes, I had a little bit of free time and reached out to her via I'm on here. I didn't get any response back. Maybe it was something I said or NBA, I don't know. Anyway probably a good thing, savings on my end.
As I stated in my previous post, my time is extremely limited right now, but I will be posting more really soon. This addiction got me itching right now, so I'll be out there soon enough.
[QUOTE=Afraven;3735322]Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.[/QUOTE]Hey AF. Nice to see you back! Hope all goes well. Couple of things:
I followed your turn by turn directions mentally and it looks good! Every one has their own style and preferences and I think you hit all of the strolls very well. For me, I'd extend some of the runs a few blocks or furlong further.
Notably, when headed up West, instead of turning at 7th, I'd go all the way up to DEA (DE Ave). That way, one passes the apt houses just before 9th. A location where I have often dropped off girls flush with a poetry reading fee. Also, I'd add Washington St in the loop somewhere, but beware of the independent businessmen at the corner stores around 7/8.
On the 4th leg, add a run out uLA to that company with the oval logo, & come back. I'd rather make a second pass on 4th than the lower part of LA. Getting to MDA is a personal preference from there but Broom has been a connector for those hoofing it.
Personal preference on MDA. I usually go out as far as Banning Park. While going up that side of the hill is less target rich, it has been productive in the past AND a few utr girls live out that way.
Interesting that information you provided many years ago and yet we still get questions from those familiar with DE as to where "the best" stroll" is located.
To all my former fellow delaware mongers.
I have successfully made it to Florida, and will begin exploits here in a month or so after I get settled. I have to say a huge thanks to all those that helped me along the way. After catching up on recent posts I can say that the information provided here was invaluable. If you read and heed it will take you a long way and yes some people will probably bash you if you make some comments, and yes others will also constantly barrage you for info without providing anything in return. You will learn to sort those things out, just by doing a bit of research as Cephlapod always says. I have learned a ton from reading here and honestly, thank you to those for helping and providing info to fellow mongers. This board is a gold mine and each should treat it as such. Be safe all and happy hunting. If ever in Brevard County fla. Just hit me up for info. Will be happy to share.
I am pleased to announce that I had the pleasure of attending the inauguration ceremonies for the Newly created office of Mayoress of uLA! Stacie holds all of the qualities requisite for the position: experience, good nature, willing to help, is liked by all of the girls out there. It was a lovely ceremony with appropriate dignitaries and the appropriate pomp and circumstance.
I also learned more about the dead zone that is uLA when she gave her acceptance speech. Apparently one could not swing a dead cat and not hit a girl on Sunday evening! China, Lucky, Amy, Michelle, and another one that slips my mind. So that is six! [i]{that has to be the definition of "dead," no?}[/i]
So if you see the Mayoress, stop and chat. And of course tip her for her time, if nothing more than to be a gent. For just information I often donate $10 to the cause. However, if one wishes their windows washed or other legals services, expect to pay more than that!
Had some issues take me away from the Hobby in February for nearly a third of the month, so not as active as the previous month. Plus with so many girls found before that have digits, have been able to rest on those laurels.
So once again giving a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So the posting is fwiw.
[B]Source of Dates[/B] [color=lightgrey] [I] (Demonstrates there is more than one way to find dates and often wise to keep several lines going at once. )[/I]. [/color]
1- renewed contact after some time frame away.
6- repeat dates with off the chain girls.
1 - street scoop from uLA.
1 - CL post or replies.
1- new girl via referrals from another girl or another monger.
Oh and I was unable to get to a couple of girls who showed up after having been away for awhile, not to mention a few from CL that I took a pass on for various reasons!
If you can not find something. Get on the boards and POST about technique: where you are fishing, how you are fishing, when you are fishing, what style (bait) you are using, etc. Lots of knowledgeable guys around who can help!
[QUOTE=Afraven;3735322]Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.[/QUOTE]Where the maps are is exactly where I would have thought to look ROTFL! Thanks for providing the link!
I am shocked! If you are hobbying then one needs to take STDs seriously! That means getting tested AT LEAST 2 times a year! AND IF someone you dated has an STD. Get tested to make sure you didn't get it too.
Look, a monger PM'ed me recently that he got a call from a girl he dated. She had Chlamydia and reported it to him. He went and got tested, and YES, he was POSITIVE for Chlamydia as well. So he went and got treatment and refrained from dating until he got an "all clean" test result. BUT the problem is that he dated at least two, VERY popular and highly reported on Elkton girls after he dated the girl who gave him Chlamydia and BEFORE he learned he had it. SO that means that he probably gave Chlamydia to those two girls and any other girls he dated.
But what has me shaking my head is that dudes that have dated these girls since "Mr Infected" dated them, these dudes have a "ho-hum" attitude about this information. I guess these geniuses figure that if their d*ck isn't dripping or there is no pain on urination, that they are OK? Problem is that Chlamydia infection often has ZERO outward effects. So hey, you want to run around with Chlamydia and give it to your GF, or SO only to be discovered later? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
Don't be a douchebag and an idiot and gamble with your health - GO GET TESTED!
Took a tour through the box today at about 12:35 PM or so. Saw two girls out- Jackie, black hair with blue streaks and Diana in red & black coat.
Also saw two LE hiding in plain sight, pulled off to the side, parked surveying the landscape. Hard to see these guys until you are on top of them.
But hey, it is OK as I was passing out doughnuts today while I was having this delusion.
Anybody F one of these girls?
I visited a person a few times who conducted business at the WaWa on Ridge and Naamans a number of years ago. One evening I am reading CL's are&are and came across a warning about her there. Sure enough the next day while showering I notice some funky shit going on down below the equator. Straight to the doctor, all around not good.
So did what I thought was appropriate and I tried to tell her, but she wanted no part of listening. I only received oral from her. You got to play safe, it's simply not worth it. Some just take too many chances, especially if you know they have other issues / demons. I did comment on the post with another public service announcement to steer clear of the area. But man, that cured me of the hobby for some time.
[QUOTE=JRichard;3746277]I visited a person a few times who conducted business at the WaWa on Ridge and Naamans a number of years ago. One evening I am reading CL's are&are and came across a warning about her there. Sure enough the next day while showering I notice some funky shit going on down below the equator. Straight to the doctor, all around not good.
So did what I thought was appropriate and I tried to tell her, but she wanted no part of listening. I only received oral from her. You got to play safe, it's simply not worth it. Some just take too many chances, especially if you know they have other issues / demons. I did comment on the post with another public service announcement to steer clear of the area. But man, that cured me of the hobby for some time.[/QUOTE]I hear ya! LOL! Years ago, well before the hobby, I had an ex-GF that was an occasional hook up. Nice girl, working RN. Back then she was pretty much all I was playing with and one day I noticed a little "scab" in the pubes. So I picked it off. THEN I noticed another one and picked it off. Interestingly the skin under the "scab" didn't look like what was typical. So I looked closer at the "scab" and it had legs! Off to the Doc for Quell shampoo and ended up doing lots of bed linen washing in hot water & bleach!
But the hardest part was the garbage feelings I heaped on myself. I guess somewhere in the socialization process we are taught that only "dirty people" (I. E. Realy sub-human, lesser value people) get Venereal Diseases and what not. So I had something, so that made me "dirty?" So I get it when anyone contracts an STD or sexually transmitted "situation. " It is hard not to be down on one's self. But hey, no need to tell others (self shame) so the only one putting you down is you! LOL! I mean really, when you were a kid and got Mono, was that shamed, or did you get "props" for kissing girls and thus getting infected?
Took me a few years but realized that good people catch colds, Mono and STDs! I'm sure the religious right will tell you we are all equal in the face of God, yet they are likely be the first to condemn you as something "less than human" if you come down with an STD. So how do you want to view things? As a manageable hazard to the hobby or as all of a sudden one becomes "dirty?" Most STDs are treatable and the ones that can not be cured are manageable as long-term chronic conditions!
Of course finding and staying in a Monogamous relationship is a sure fire way to avoid STDs. Oh, and using condoms each an every time can help reduce the risk even more! Or one can just become "dirty!" LOL!
So the pure douchbaggery continues on the streets. As reported to me:
Prior Sunday evening a girl was scooped off of uLA by a dude in a white Mazda. Dude called himself Miguel, a stocky, Mexican male approximately 5'9" in height. He drove her to Centerville where he offered her $20 for sex, when she refused, he forced himself on her, put one hand over her mouth and attempted to have sex with her despite her saying NO! [I](this geniuses is the definition of rape - once a girl, date, prostitute or your wife says "No," going further is a crime)[/I] She tried to get away, the dude took her money and her cell phone. She got out of the car but was abandoned in Centerville. I have details on the license plate, but forum rules prohibit post them here.
Reminds me of the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have done to you! If a girl does not want to take your offer, drop her off. [i](I guess it would be too much to ask to give her $5 for the time she spent with you and the other paying date she missed?)[/i] [b]Just because she is "working" does not make her less of a human being than your mother, wife, sister or daughter. She still deserves respect as a human being.[/b]
But also, what is with these dudes? $10 will get you NOTHING on the streets, unless you find a girl who is Jonesing and you probably want to avoid her anyway. Look, the cost of a "bundle" of dope is around $35 - $45. Gee, any idea why street rates are what they are? So offering less than a bundle for a date usually isn't going to get you anywhere. No, you are not special and any girl has the RIGHT to refuse low-ball offers!
Now it appears as though this numbnuts does not understand is that he committed at least 3 felonies! If these girls were smart they would report these azzh*les: after all, IF the cops charge the girl with prostitution, that is a misdemeanor. So hey guys, use your big head. You want to be a "macho man"? You want to trade felonies against a misdemeanor charge?
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3746158]Took a tour through the box today at about 12:35 PM or so. Saw two girls out- Jackie, black hair with blue streaks and Diana in red & black coat.[/QUOTE]Fuck! I saw these two again Monday evening at about 5:32 PM! Same freaking area!
Got to lay off the LSD before I get in the car in the future! Maybe I need new glasses? Or need to wipe the "rose coloring" off of them?
I mean really! I won't agree to this girl's "procedure" so mark me down as a time waster and douchebag!
Contacted the girl in this CL post. Her "rates" are listed in the advert. I mean "life and video chat=50 an hr" sounds pretty good no? A live girl for an hour at 50? Yeah, I know TGTBT!
Anyway, I politely asked if she would be willing to meet and head off to read some poetry to me or wash some windows? Her reply? $100 and you can do anything you want to me! WOW!
But that also meant one needed to send her $50 to her PayPal account and she would collect the other 50 after the windows were pristine!
So since I was born yesterday and was thinking with my little head I quickly agreed and sent her the money! NOT!
WTF is wrong with these girls? Do they pay the rent with scams like this? I mean I TRIED to figure out a way we could meet and where everyone would be happy, but she would have none of it. Hmmm.
So yeah, I know I shoulda just "paid up front" (Rule #23) and for that I must be a douchebag!
Last night, I had a hallucination (again!) This time, it was in the evening and I was on LA around the auto parts store, just minding my own bidness and apparently saw Michelle. Since I was headed to the post office, didn't chat long.
Got to do something about these "visions" I keep having, as repeated reports tell me nothing is to be found out there.
In the past has used the name Quinn. Recently used Lauren. As noted by OP none of the pictures represent reality. Also reportedly can host on / just off MDA. Lots of pictures online: see what one can find using Rule #6. She is constantly using new ones, not actual pics or pics that are -80# ago.
She insists on "money up front" with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! So violates Rule #23. (totally inflexible on this) Now on my "avoid" list!
Oh wait! I just "panned" a girl! That means guys are going to rush out and see her! (after all, wdik?) Well, good luck with that!
Hey Ceph.
I saw her a few years ago not sure what name she was using then and reported that she was a dead fish and was only interested $$$ and rushing you out the door. I can't believe guys are still falling for her bullshit!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3756540]In the past has used the name Quinn. Recently used Lauren. As noted by OP none of the pictures represent reality. Also reportedly can host on / just off MDA. Lots of pictures online: see what one can find using Rule #6. She is constantly using new ones, not actual pics or pics that are -80# ago.
She insists on "money up front" with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! So violates Rule #23. (totally inflexible on this) Now on my "avoid" list!
Oh wait! I just "panned" a girl! That means guys are going to rush out and see her! (after all, wdik?) Well, good luck with that![/QUOTE]
Anyone see these lovelies and can share some information?
LisaL. Same few pics allover several websites. No idea of location, menu or gps potential?
[URL]https://liveescortreviews.com/ad/delaware/302-414-3228/1/323250[/URL]
Lee. Remember this face from before on BP, not likely a high level girl but perhaps a good date?
[URL]http://ilivegoodnow.com/2018/03/04/215-954-7700/[/URL]
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So anyone have any information? thx
[I][color=lightgrey]Now I'll prolly get banned for this - promoting a "3rd Party Website here" but hey, just a being the douchebag.[/color][/i]
Oh and as far as "other " websites*** go. [B][color=red]You dudes need to tell your favorite girls to advertise over on the USA Adult Classifieds (USAAC) site! [/color][/B] This sister site is hosted offshore and as such appears to be escaping the baloney that other websites are experiencing. So girls can advertise on USAAC and put up the full text of what they use to post on BP. This way they can tell WHERE they are located (so time isn't wasted when you need a Dover girl & she's in Claymont) can describe their services and can suggest rates for companionship, etc. Got to be a whole lot easier than the machinations and BS we are going through right now. Yeah, might be scary to be "first" but I have dated a girl who advertised in the past on USAAC and had fun. So mention to your girls to advertise on the USA Adult Classifieds site:
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/[/URL]
***Oh and for those who have been scratching their head over the "changes" the other websites have gone through (BP etc) - where they are only allowing pictures and phone numbers. This is the result of legislation that looks like it will soon be passed and enacted into law a bill called SESTA - Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. It changes the laws that provide "innocence" to websites who allow others to 'self publish' sex related stuff. It makes the website liable to damages to a girl if she was trafficked using that website. So websites are trying the photo & number route as a defense against said liability.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_Act[/URL]
Too bad no one has the ballz to stand up to this kind of narrow-minded thinking. You hobby just got more difficult! Back to the streets, back alleys and MPs!
From CL:
[I]US Congress just passed HR 1865, "FOSTA", seeking to subject websites to criminal and civil liability when third parties (users) misuse online personals unlawfully.
Any tool or service can be misused. We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day.
To the millions of spouses, partners, and couples who met through craigslist, we wish you every happiness![/I]
So with Craigslist throwing in the towel over the passage of FOSTA that would appear to take away a significant hunting ground for many. The questions is what is next?
Is there a site that will take over as a replacement? What is it? (USA Adult Classifieds does not seem to be effected, so possible successor.).
Will this lead to a large increase in posts on BP?
So what happens to Supply / Demand? Will there be girls desperate to find dates and as such one can negotiate LOWER prices? Will the streets pick up? Or will horny mongers be so desperate to find anything, that they will pay anything the BP girls ask, and prices go up?
If nothing else, is it possible that BP will start to "collect" those who use to fish on CL? As such will this result in a funneling of mongers to one site where it will be easier for LE to set up stings? [I](is this a time where it is more important than ever to be "educated" in the hobby and follow "the rules?")[/I].
All fwiw.
We can have a discussion of trafficking and the new laws if anyone is interested.
What if this site is shut down for some reason, legal or otherwise. Is there a back plan or site that we know about in advance and can continue sharing information without missing a step?
I can't remember how I came upon this site. But CL was actually listed as a source for job postings in a PA Department of Unemployment publication back around 2004. That's how I came upon that one, back when the site was really good.
I noticed locally and in other areas the CL posts have migrated to Activity Partners.
Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=JRichard;3771225]What if this site is shut down for some reason, legal or otherwise. Is there a back plan or site that we know about in advance and can continue sharing information without missing a step?[/QUOTE]From what I read of posts by Admin other places, this site is not going anywhere. This site is apparently hosted OFFSHORE, that means in a foreign country where USA laws do not apply. So to go after this site for some liability would require international connections, embassys, blah, blah, blah that would take time and lots of money. Ever wonder why your favorite gambling site is hosted in some foreign country? Same reason.
[QUOTE=JRichard;3771225]I noticed locally and in other areas the CL posts have migrated to Activity Partners.
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE][B]Thanks![/B] We can follow the migration, but suspect if CL catches wind of that, that section will be shutdown too. CL has repeatedly, over the years shown a HUGE risk aversion, that with this new law will continue.
Love to see where else the traffic migrates.
Please forgive my little rant here. If a fellow posts a report on a new friend and others PM him and say "Hi, I'd like to meet your friend. One of my friends is looking for new friends too. Could we swap info?" I feel it is a bit unfair for fellows B, C, etcetera to take fellow A's info and leave him hanging.
Big City and few others now have the same message as CL. Hang on tho what ever phone numbers you have. I plan on taking time tomorrow to go through them. And purge the ones that are turned off and reconnect with some others that I have not seen in a while.
[QUOTE=Seeker5901;3776293]Please forgive my little rant here. If a fellow posts a report on a new friend and others PM him and say "Hi, I'd like to meet your friend. One of my friends is looking for new friends too. Could we swap info?" I feel it is a bit unfair for fellows B, C, etcetera to take fellow A's info and leave him hanging.[/QUOTE]Agreed! Such behavior only discourages sharing, IMHO. Which appears to be counter to the purpose of this website.
[QUOTE=JRichard;3776412]Big City and few others now have the same message as CL. Hang on tho what ever phone numbers you have. I plan on taking time tomorrow to go through them. And purge the ones that are turned off and reconnect with some others that I have not seen in a while.[/QUOTE]Good advice as we step into a brave new world!
Don't forget to mention USA Adult Classifieds to your UTR girls. Looks like a viable alternative to the slowly shrinking websites.
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/index.php?view=ads&action=clear[/URL]
Wonder what we need to do to get the usage up by providers?
[i][color=grey]looks like there is good adoption in Ohio, Tennessee and other places! Why not here?[/color][/i]
What if we posted ads in the resume, missed connections and a few other sections that have a link for USA adult classifieds. I'm sure the girls are looking there.
[QUOTE=PinHead11;3782561]What if we posted ads in the resume, missed connections and a few other sections that have a link for USA adult classifieds. I'm sure the girls are looking there.[/QUOTE]Great thought! Really like the "out of the box" thinking!
A few others have reported that they tried this and CL has been super vigilant in sniffing out these and blocking the users or deleting their accounts or whatever. I know in the State of DE, those with Comcast internet service, one gets assigned a static IP address. With Comcast, from what I have read and in my experience, one has to leave their modem unplugged for 72-hours in order to generate a new IP address for the account. So that is a tough way around any block by CL.
I can see it only getting worse at CL, as they work to avoid getting their site seized.
So the key is what is next? A migration to sites like USA Sex Guide's Adult Classified Site? A return to posting about UTR girls on Bulletin Boards? Yahoo Groups?
[URL]https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf[/URL]
OK, I have read the BP Indictment and have these observations:
1) This is an indictment by a Federal Grand Jury in the District Court of Arizona. This in itself is "interesting. " A Grand Jury is not a normal proceeding or trial. Its purpose is to make a determination "whether there is enough evidence, or probable cause, to indict a criminal suspect. " This is key as two things at work. First the standard of "probable cause" is a low bar and second only the prosecutor is present to present whatever fact he wishes.
Unlike a normal jury trial or a preliminary hearing, which are BOTH adversarial processes and thus a seeking of "the truth," the Grand Jury only hearrs one side of the story in order to determine "probable cause" for determining IF a crime has been committed. It is certainly a easier standard than a direct arrest and the a preliminary hearing before a judge, when rules of evidence, testimony from both sides and a determination by one knowledgeable in the law decide if the charges are valid.
Since it is a pretty low bar prosecutor has to hurdle in order to get an indictment, there is a joke in the legal community that any good prosecutor could get and indictment against a ham sandwich! Remember only one side or one view of the facts is presented.
So the fact that this action is an indictment suggests that perhaps this was a weaker case, and that all of the charges that were made against the defendants may not stick or survive scrutiny by a judge.
Also there are many technicalities and details of case law that are likely relevant to these charges, all of which is the bailiwick of lawyers, not MB posters. So we'll see.
Of course with SESTA-FOSTA soon to be signed into law and it retroactive provisions, perhaps these charges stick?
[URL]https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf[/URL]
2) This indictment is against seven (7) defendants. The two founders of BackPage (LACEY & LARKIN), SPEAR an Exec VP, BRUNST CFO, HYER Sales & Marketing Director, PADILLA Ops Mgr and VAUGHT Asst Ops Mgr.
Now I note that one of the founders, is identified as "C. F. " in the indictment documents is NOT one of the defendants. So perhaps this individual has cut a deal and is a witness for the prosecution?
3) The Defendants are charged 93 separate counts or charges which include: Conspiracy, Facilitating Prostitution and 4 separate charges related to Money Laundering. 50 of the charges related directly to Facilitating Prostitution. So 54% of the charges. One charges relates to Conspiracy and the rest are related to Money Laundering (44%) Oh and there is a Charge for forfeiture allegations. I. e. Gubmint seizing assets!
4) The indictment doc lays out the background of BackPage and its history as it relates to the alleged illegal acts. This takes 156 paragraphs and 40 pages. The charges are laid out in para 157 through 171, including tables over 13 pages.
5) The final charge the Forfeiture Allegations take up another 4 pages. This shows the assets the gubmint wishes to seize as:
10 properties in CA, AZ, TX and IL.
25 Bank and Brokerage Accounts in USA and the world.
35 separate web domain names.
6) The indictment lays out details of 17 victims that were sold for sex using BP adverts. Some under-aged.
[URL]https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf[/URL]
7) Looking at the "history" of BackPage as laid out in para 1 -157 is interesting and dismaying. At one point I was an advocate of BP stating that they worked with LE on trafficking and under-aged cases. The presented facts seem to differ and my opinion has changed.
*the following is my opinion of what I read *.
This lays out a litany of behavior that is incomprehensible to this reader.
A. BP had MANY warnings that what it was doing was on the fringe of the law and thus a risk to the business and principles. [B]In spite of numerous warnings, the facts presented seem to indicate that BP did little or nothing.[/B] Or the bare minimum. Now maybe this is historical revisionism on my part looking back, as things or the environment could have been different way back then. But still it looks like these guys put profits first. When your business faces a risk, one needs to clearly evaluate the risk and make appropriate adjustments to manage that risk. It in not clear that that is what BP did!
I remember some changes in BP over the years. It use to be the wild west (I. E. Unregulated & anything goes) with pictures of genital and even a few with sex acts. The language was clear that sex acts were for sale and prices were listed. THEN at one point I remember, BP put in place a prohibition against nudity, sex acts. Also somewhere along the line they issued warnings about mentioning sex for money or using code words to get around such. Then as pressure built they shutdown the adult services section, but allowed the traffic to migrate to the "dating" section.
The documents show that BP had teams in AZ and vendors in India, etc who would review adverts and "edit" them to remove pictures and text that were unacceptable. But herein lies the rub. BP was afraid of loosing customers that they edited text and kept the adverts, even when they were clearly illegal: trafficking or under-aged.
B. Second, when it came to under-aged stuff on their site, BP essentially turned a blind eye. For example when adverts came if with an age of 17, they were rejected, but accepted once the poster changed the advert to 19. Instead of reporting under-aged stuff, they had a list of prohibited words (like Lolita) that were stripped from the advert, rather than rejected or reported to authorities. In fact, BP was afraid that they might exceed 500 trafficking/under-age reports in a month so caution reviewers against that.
C. Several LE agencies or related NGOs met with or corresponded with BP about the under-aged stuff (several times, different groups) and BP was given specific steps they could take to to eliminate such. One such suggestion was age-verification software, but BP deemed that would cost 79-99-cents per search and cut into profits.
I'll dig out some of the specifics in the allegations are they are numerous and post them when I can.