Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[QUOTE=OFCharlie;3897623]This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.

This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.[/QUOTE]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.

[QUOTE=Fun69;3899292]If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?[/QUOTE]The girls can actually just work for themselves being on SA using R2 K or P411. Sure the girls are busy with school and such, but surely they can allocate time to send a request to p411 or RS2 K to verify a potential SD or client. Then allocate time to do a incall or outcall.

Those verification websites have been around for a long time. Why should the girls use agencies, being micro managed, have their pay cut short while the girls can be their own bosses and make all the profit? The girls are the business not the agencies. Without girls spreading their legs, there be no agencies because the girls makes up 99% of the clientele not the agencies, 1% comes from screening verification sites, or just screening.

To OFF Charlie, if SB are aware of P411 and RS2 K, that 200 $ ph can actually be 400 ph, double the yearly salary to 200 k. And who knows, there are girls that would fuck 60 year old men, you are just speculating. It may be hard on SA, but like you said, if the girls are in it for the $ they would fuck any age on SA.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3899799]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.[/QUOTE]That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.

It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3899799]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.[/QUOTE]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3900444]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.[/QUOTE]I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.

[QUOTE=Fun69;3900483]I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.[/QUOTE]I think you may have responded to the wrong post.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3900444]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.[/QUOTE]They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3900274]It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.[/QUOTE]I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3901647]I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.[/QUOTE]As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.

[QUOTE=FirstTimer7;3901822]As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.[/QUOTE]Definitely, I just want to make sure anyone reading their posts does so with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3900091]That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.[/QUOTE]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.

[QUOTE=TheBigA1;3901554]They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.[/QUOTE]They may not be the same, but all 3 of them know each other.

If you type Angeli on the search bar under Escort or Agency Girls.

Look for the thread " This is Fantastic and sounds like they take care. Riina posted a email about EEC, Angeli and MCE. The owner of EEC once had animosity on MEC since Andra took EEC original girls to make a agency with a former EEC client.

Then states that MCE owner was mentored by Andra and Angeli. And since they are in close cooperation, they write fake reviews on TER to hype a girl. Since TER is gone, MEC and Angeli most likely write fake reviews on here. And EEC.

And since the word on the street that Angeli and EEC merged, well now they know each other and so does MEC since they know Angeli.

3 agencies that are in close cooperation with each other, I would take the reviews posted on here and in TER with a grain of salt.

They probably share client information.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3902047]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.[/QUOTE]Besides RS2 K, you can't even sign up for p411 anymore. Useless advice.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3902047]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.[/QUOTE]WRONG! RS2 K was never compromised. The discussion on TER was about the the owner / proprietor of the site was arrested for TAX EVASION, nothing more. Please get your facts straight.