WYP, SA, and other SD sites

[QUOTE=Bikjik69;2590966]Today I met up with my local favorite SB that I've been seeing for the last few months. I met her off SA but I've since cancelled my subscription because her and other SB's that I have, some local, some not, have been keeping me busy.

My little baby was in need for some funds and being a good daddy I was willing to help but she needed to do her part. We met at my lair and then proceeded to go have a nice relaxing lunch, outdoors to enjoy the wonderful weather. I could tell my baby was anxious to do the deed so we directly went back to the lair. Once there I had her deep throating my Viagra fueled cock. Little baby did a good job. I then proceeded to plow that wet kitty as deep as my semi would allow (BB of course). It took a while but I eventually finished. Little baby earned her money.

This is a true story. I met her off SA but I will only share if others have something to trade.

Keep fishing and be safe.

BJ69.[/QUOTE]Very glad you finally had a good time, typically you seem to be so negative. Hopefully she will continue to see you again, enjoy your SB. Hopefully when your finished with her you will share the wealth like the rest of us.

So, I finally joined SA, and having a great time. Met one pot for a quuck drink agreed to terms and went to the FC the next day. She is sexy as hell and does everything I want. Just not a lot to talk about. I'm wondering if I committed to early and should sample more first. I can't afford to juggle more than 1 at the same time. With that said, my question is what degree of negotiations have you guys had on SA. I've been searching only for minimal and negotiable ads. Practical is still too high for me. I'm sure everyone is negotiable. But to what degree? Are you able to negotiate with 100% of the girls? 10%? Are you able to bring a $3000 month girl down to 500 or more like $2500. Any feedback and shared experiences would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Sfrancis118;2599590]So, I finally joined SA, and having a great time. Met one pot for a quuck drink agreed to terms and went to the FC the next day. She is sexy as hell and does everything I want. Just not a lot to talk about. I'm wondering if I committed to early and should sample more first. I can't afford to juggle more than 1 at the same time. With that said, my question is what degree of negotiations have you guys had on SA. I've been searching only for minimal and negotiable ads. Practical is still too high for me. I'm sure everyone is negotiable. But to what degree? Are you able to negotiate with 100% of the girls? 10%? Are you able to bring a $3000 month girl down to 500 or more like $2500. Any feedback and shared experiences would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]First, this is a great time to find a new SB. Many college students are looking for some extra income to cover their books and living expenses and a SD is perfect for many of them. I also focused on the minimal and negotiable ads, but I talked to many others in other allowance ranges for the experience. Some girls have pipe dreams that a SD will come along and give them thousands of dollars a month, but most quickly realize that those daddies are few and far between and will negotiate to at least have some extra income until Prince Moneybags comes along. I also committed on my first SB date, but so what? These things are designed to be temporary relationships and that makes moving on much easier when the time comes. That time may be in a week or two when you find a hotter SB who better fits into your budget. I also tell POTs that it will take several dates to figure out if we're compatible enough to commit to something longer. That gives you an easy exit strategy if things aren't what you expected. It took a while to lock down a great SB for me, but once I did the negotiation became much easier with other POTs because I was already set and now the SB has to meet my expectations or move on. And you can bet that most of the SB's are always fishing the waters for that rare SD who will pay them $500/ date just to look good on his arm. When she finds him, you will be dropped immediately. It works both ways.

I have a personal limit both monthly and per-date. I don't worry so much about how much they'll come down from their asking price. I tell them I have "X dollars" to spend per date and anticipate taking them out "X" times per month and that's it. I offered one girl $50 more than that per date and she didn't show up for our first FC date. Never saw her again.

I have started meeting several girls from SA, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. All of them were looking for $400 plus per meeting or allowances of $1,500.00 a month or more. Not sure if this is typical, but it has been my experience so far. The girls have all been very good looking, great bodies and college age. Has anyone had any experience with this one. She goes by Bella on SA. She looks so familiar to me.

I was going to see her, but another girl who I like better matched the offer. You're kidding yourselves if you think they get what they're asking for. I'm not giving them anything close to what they asked for initially. Please do not ask me what I negotiated. Perform your own due diligence and you can get what I got. MW.

[QUOTE=Wolverineman;2623555]I have started meeting several girls from SA, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. All of them were looking for $400 plus per meeting or allowances of $1,500.00 a month or more. Not sure if this is typical, but it has been my experience so far. The girls have all been very good looking, great bodies and college age. Has anyone had any experience with this one. She goes by Bella on SA. She looks so familiar to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sfrancis118;2599590]So, I finally joined SA, and having a great time. Met one pot for a quuck drink agreed to terms and went to the FC the next day. She is sexy as hell and does everything I want. Just not a lot to talk about. I'm wondering if I committed to early and should sample more first. I can't afford to juggle more than 1 at the same time. With that said, my question is what degree of negotiations have you guys had on SA. I've been searching only for minimal and negotiable ads. Practical is still too high for me. I'm sure everyone is negotiable. But to what degree? Are you able to negotiate with 100% of the girls? 10%? Are you able to bring a $3000 month girl down to 500 or more like $2500. Any feedback and shared experiences would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If she quotes a price your not comfortable with just say sorry your out of my league. If her quote is non negotiable in her mind she will let you walk. If it is negotiable she will ask what you had in mind. If she does this then let the negotiations begin. Start low and if you think she is worth it you can come up. Always be polite and if you aren't able to make a arrangement thank her for her time and move on.

[QUOTE=MarcusWeiner;2623782]I was going to see her, but another girl who I like better matched the offer. You're kidding yourselves if you think they get what they're asking for. I'm not giving them anything close to what they asked for initially. Please do not ask me what I negotiated. Perform your own due diligence and you can get what I got. MW.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip regarding the negotiations. My experience so far on SA is that there are two categories of girls. The true college girls, in school, full time classes, sorority girls and the one and done, backpage, possible SW, asking for a lot more than they would normally get because they are on SA. The true college girls I have found will not budge much from what they are initially looking for, but I would also characterize them as a true sugar baby. The one and done or non-college girls are much more willing to negotiate after asking for alot, but are also more apt to see a lot of different guys. To each his own. Good Luck out there.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2623936]If she quotes a price your not comfortable with just say sorry your out of my league. If her quote is non negotiable in her mind she will let you walk. If it is negotiable she will ask what you had in mind. If she does this then let the negotiations begin. Start low and if you think she is worth it you can come up. Always be polite and if you aren't able to make a arrangement thank her for her time and move on.[/QUOTE]I've been in a handful of arrangements since I started a year ago, and have never had to pay more than $200 per date. My current SB will take whatever I can give her, but I'm seriously thinking of taking a major step and getting her out of her current shitty living situation, and covering rent and utilities plus allowance for her to move. I figure I'll spend about what I am now, and get to hit it whenever I want. Taking room rentals out of the equation, which sets me back several hundred a month already, and will also save time driving her back and forth to the FC. Anyone else ever do this? I wouldn't have considered it, but the sex is SOOO good and I haven't gotten tired of her after 9 months of seeing her 1-2 times a week. If I can up that to 3-4 times a week for the same money, why not? I'd have to commit to her for 3-6 months to make it work.

Spice. Like you I have found the going allowance for bmore to be no more than 100-200. This is even for high quality girls. The tradeoff is that after dinner, entertainment, and a room, the end cost is equivalent to a mod or high end escort. Of course with a SB I have never felt like I'm on the clock, and the quality of lady is much improved.

The downside of course is that many of these ladies are not in of for pay to play which means that there is a huge time investment involved.

I hear you about the cost of hotels. Also your plans for your baby are admirable. If you don't have a SO then it sounds like this one is going to be more than just another baby. There are risks that I see though. First, if she becomes dependent on the you because of the place, then walking away from her if you find another baby or have the need for more variety might become difficult. Also, if you need to set her up and in the process need to put things in your name (e. G. Lease, utilities, etc) then in the event of a bad breakup in the future, she could trash the place and then you'll be left holding the bag.

Without knowing your particular situation though, putting her up might be a great idea. I tend to see the risks though.

One other option might be to get your own studio apartment on the cheap out in the burbs. This would get rid of the need for hotels if you play in one area. You could bring her over and let her stay there for long periods of time, but with the understanding that when its time to go, its time to go. Then you could also use it for your other sbs.

Good to see a thread like this on the bmore page. I play in the mid-atlantic and bmore is one of my favorite spots for the quality and quantity of babies. I used to post on the Richmond board, but that thread is near dead / dying.

Fish out.

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2624263]I've been in a handful of arrangements since I started a year ago, and have never had to pay more than $200 per date. My current SB will take whatever I can give her, but I'm seriously thinking of taking a major step and getting her out of her current shitty living situation, and covering rent and utilities plus allowance for her to move. I figure I'll spend about what I am now, and get to hit it whenever I want. Taking room rentals out of the equation, which sets me back several hundred a month already, and will also save time driving her back and forth to the FC. Anyone else ever do this? I wouldn't have considered it, but the sex is SOOO good and I haven't gotten tired of her after 9 months of seeing her 1-2 times a week. If I can up that to 3-4 times a week for the same money, why not? I'd have to commit to her for 3-6 months to make it work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2624290]Spice. Like you I have found the going allowance for bmore to be no more than 100-200. This is even for high quality girls. The tradeoff is that after dinner, entertainment, and a room, the end cost is equivalent to a mod or high end escort. Of course with a SB I have never felt like I'm on the clock, and the quality of lady is much improved.

The downside of course is that many of these ladies are not in of for pay to play which means that there is a huge time investment involved.

I hear you about the cost of hotels. Also your plans for your baby are admirable. If you don't have a SO then it sounds like this one is going to be more than just another baby. There are risks that I see though. First, if she becomes dependent on the you because of the place, then walking away from her if you find another baby or have the need for more variety might become difficult. Also, if you need to set her up and in the process need to put things in your name (e. G. Lease, utilities, etc) then in the event of a bad breakup in the future, she could trash the place and then you'll be left holding the bag.

Without knowing your particular situation though, putting her up might be a great idea. I tend to see the risks though.

One other option might be to get your own studio apartment on the cheap out in the burbs. This would get rid of the need for hotels if you play in one area. You could bring her over and let her stay there for long periods of time, but with the understanding that when its time to go, its time to go. Then you could also use it for your other sbs.

Good to see a thread like this on the bmore page. I play in the mid-atlantic and bmore is one of my favorite spots for the quality and quantity of babies. I used to post on the Richmond board, but that thread is near dead / dying.

Fish out.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've been weighing the risks. I do have a SO. I would have the place put in her name, probably would have to be a room rental or shared residence situation, but I would pay the bills. I have a monthly allowance in mind that approximates what I'm paying now but improves her situation and mine as well. A studio apartment is not a bad idea! She has a child though and that complicates things.

I was seeing escorts regularly, both the high end and the BP girls, but I had gotten stood up so many times and the girls I could depend on keep raising their prices as the economy starts to come back and the hotel rates keep going up. I was at a function for escorts and clients one night and a fellow monger was raving about his success as a Sugar Daddy and it put me on this path. He was right. I'm having the best sex I've ever had, and more often than I've ever had, and I don't have to worry about racing the clock to try to get that load out any more. My SB lives close by, and is basically on call for me. I give up the variety I once had, but also the frustrations that come with being stood up, worrying about LEO with new connections, etc. And I'm spending less per date than I have in years even though I'm banging 19-22 year old hotties that could command much more if they wanted to become escorts. Plus, I could never take my escort companions to concerts, ball games, dinner, etc. Without paying that hourly rate that they're fixated on. Overnighters might cost $1000 or more. My SB doesn't expect more than she would get for any other date if we do an overnighter.

It is a major commitment. I'm on the fence about it, but if we got her an affordable place then she has the freedom to drop me for a better paying SD down the road if she wants. I figure that I would commit for a certain time, then we would re-evaluate.

Tough tradeoffs. I have not found a baby yet that I would consider that kind of commitment with. The most I've done is to provide a very generous allowance to take her off market. Which gives her the freedom to do with it as she pleases, but also squarely leaves me in full control. As they say, give a baby a fish, and she will eat for a day, teach a baby to fish, and she might just start eating without you.

I have a two services that provide high quality ladies that I'm sure you're already aware of. Often times when I am preserving for time and need the release I will contact one of those services. This way there is never a problem with quality or concerns that a lady won't be up to standard. I stopped using BP because of constant quality issues and the risks involved. I found that even if I found a gem on bp, the quality would only last for a short time until she burned out or dissappeared. I also found that even reviews didn't always help because some reports were of suspect quality and because with all situations, ymmv. I would get irritated making even a small donation because of the time wasted and cash wasted for an experience that left a bad taste in my mouth.

The bowl is great, but not for everyone. I've found that if you're looking for someting beyond just a UTR or escort pretending to be a baby, then it requires time, game, and a level of commitment that isn't necessary with other aspects of the hobby. Of course like you, I thoroughly enjoy the rewards that come with that time committment, and so for me the tradeoff is worth it. Others may not have the ability to do an overnight because of a SO, or alternatively may not want to provide the kind of emotional and mental support. In addition to the financial support that many of these babies need.

As an aside, there are various sites that should help to keep your costs down if you continue to use hotels. For example there is one booking site that gives you one night free for every ten booked. Others can provide steep discounts.

I have toyed with the idea of a room rental or a apartment share agreement with another SD to keep my costs down. Of course because I don't limit my play to one area the concept is easier in theory than in real life. More importantly finding someone to share the room would be difficult at best.

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2624341]Yeah I've been weighing the risks. I do have a SO. I would have the place put in her name, probably would have to be a room rental or shared residence situation, but I would pay the bills. I have a monthly allowance in mind that approximates what I'm paying now but improves her situation and mine as well. A studio apartment is not a bad idea! She has a child though and that complicates things.

I was seeing escorts regularly, both the high end and the BP girls, but I had gotten stood up so many times and the girls I could depend on keep raising their prices as the economy starts to come back and the hotel rates keep going up. I was at a function for escorts and clients one night and a fellow monger was raving about his success as a Sugar Daddy and it put me on this path. He was right. I'm having the best sex I've ever had, and more often than I've ever had, and I don't have to worry about racing the clock to try to get that load out any more. My SB lives close by, and is basically on call for me. I give up the variety I once had, but also the frustrations that come with being stood up, worrying about LEO with new connections, etc. And I'm spending less per date than I have in years even though I'm banging 19-22 year old hotties that could command much more if they wanted to become escorts. Plus, I could never take my escort companions to concerts, ball games, dinner, etc. Without paying that hourly rate that they're fixated on. Overnighters might cost $1000 or more. My SB doesn't expect more than she would get for any other date if we do an overnighter.

It is a major commitment. I'm on the fence about it, but if we got her an affordable place then she has the freedom to drop me for a better paying SD down the road if she wants. I figure that I would commit for a certain time, then we would re-evaluate.[/QUOTE]

Recently met up with this chick. Man she was about the same as a street walker at over backpage price. I finally had enough and took her home. Super skinny with signs of use and was try to get max dollar and rush the meeting. She would do a car date but wanted me than usual.

Just a heads up, Lola101 is a scammer. She is cute enough and she will produce if left with no other real option but she is constantly working a scam and simply not worth the trouble with other fish in the sea. She had what looked like some vein damage on her arm that she claimed came from a poorly installed pick-line and is probably more likely use but she has all of her teeth and is not skin and bones so her use must be under control if she uses.

I have been chatting with this girl for a while and decide to go for the meet and she is looking for $$ to just meet.

[QUOTE=OskarM;2638353]Just a heads up, Lola101 is a scammer. She is cute enough and she will produce if left with no other real option but she is constantly working a scam and simply not worth the trouble with other fish in the sea. She had what looked like some vein damage on her arm that she claimed came from a poorly installed pick-line and is probably more likely use but she has all of her teeth and is not skin and bones so her use must be under control if she uses.[/QUOTE]Is she still claiming to be homeless in Waverly? She was trying to pull that bullshit with me. She was practically begging me to come see her and give her money. Telling me that she finally such into someone's back yard to charge her phone that had been dead. For a week when I saw her on wyp every day. I called her out on her bullshit, and she tried back tracking. Still texts me once in a while telling me she can't get me off her mind and she is falling for me, etc. Whatever.