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Is this an AMP.
Rates and what women you have seen please.
H. E. or just tease?
[QUOTE=GuitarMan;4224717]I have been there a few times. The massage is excellent and they do there share of tease. I usually park next door to the closed building. So far never disappointed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ThrobbinWood;4222474]Pay at the end seems logical to me but I am beginning to see it another way. It seems that some guys are paying in advance, including the tip as a way of communicating expected services without speaking. If you go an hour and prepay $, bet you just get a HJ. Give $. 5 in advance and see what you get. Yes there is risk for you that a HJ may be the only thing delivered but is it possible that your will likely get more. I hope the Pre-pay guys weigh in to tell their side of the story.[/QUOTE]I have talked to enough girls at the parlors to understand they get stiffed frequently, frequently enough they start to get gunshy.
It really is about putting in the time to get to know each other well enough, that this becomes a non-issue.
I go in and pre-tip 50, and have had very few issues. The girls understand right away, I am not a POS.
I also let them know there is more where that came from, if more services are available.
I personally have only had 1 issue in the past 6 mo back as a monger. YMMV, but it works for me.
Go back to the same person you find, works for you and build some kind of relationship or understanding between you.
Google her images. I think you'll find she may be someone else.
[QUOTE=Bham08;4227212][URL]https://cityxguide.photos/ads/full-night-in-bedroom-blow-job-play-and-swallow__1554778243-18599535[/URL]
Any intel on her? Her pics work for me. Hate the idea of LE.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bham08;4227212][URL]https://cityxguide.photos/ads/full-night-in-bedroom-blow-job-play-and-swallow__1554778243-18599535[/URL]
Any intel on her? Her pics work for me. Hate the idea of LE.[/QUOTE]Turns out it's a sophisticated scammer. Have to enter your credit card number and pay half to be able to see her. OK not OK. I should've known from the title.
[QUOTE=Squirt1;4227813]Is this an AMP.
Rates and what women you have seen please.
H. E. or just tease?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is an AMP and Anna does a great job on tease and massage no HE normal fees for a massage. English is sometimes hard to understand but an excellent massage.
Hello friends, I work close to both locations and don't really want to waste money or time. Any info on Healing hands or the MP next to Marges donuts. I'm going to try one of them today after work and will be report what I find out. Is one better than the other?
150 for 45 mins plus tip? I texted her and was quoted the same. That converts to $200 an hour! Holy crap! For a massage and he? Even with bbbj that's crazy high.
Glad you enjoyed her but all these girls rates are sky high the past year. 60/ hr plus 40-60 tip for nude he with roaming is all I will ever pay. At 150 plus tip for only 45 mins It better be full service plus msog. Riley is a better option. Or better yet just an escort so I know I get full service. These high rates for massage are insane.
[QUOTE=Edge1201;4225006]I saw her last week & cannot add to the recent reports here. She's very professional and a very good tease. We connected well from the first time I met her. Girl next door chatty & don't get her started about breath mints (we mongers need to be more aware of them). Nice location & she left the blinds up for the voyoeurs in the building next door. She gets off on these fetishes. Rates are published on USA adult etc. But remember to tip a bit more than her $1. 5 rate if you want a bit more VIP attention. Play safe.[/QUOTE]
Many reviews on healing hands. Within this forum, towards the upper right hand side, click on "Search Thread". Enter "Healing Hands" and click search.
[QUOTE=VelvetGoldMine;4229124]Hello friends, I work close to both locations and don't really want to waste money or time. Any info on Healing hands or the MP next to Marges donuts. I'm going to try one of them today after work and will be report what I find out. Is one better than the other?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the review.
[QUOTE=JMaul;4226851]Saw Chloe in the last few weeks at a private incall. I believe she works at a friends house when she can.
Rate was 100 flat for an "hour. " I found out later that her appts are only 40-45.
The fishnet bra in the link below is what led me to her. She certainly is bigger than her pictures show but I loved her rack.
She is very pleasant and gave an average to above average massage. The ending was above average too. Not the best ever but better than average.
She said once we meet she answers any questions about service but I guess that's only in person because she won't answer anything beyond "I give massages" in conversation through text. I believe rumors are true that she does more the more she sees you so maybe I'll find out some day.
I would repeat if other options were not available and it wasn't at Royal. Never going to that place again.
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=84829&cityid=222[/URL][/QUOTE]
Has anyone seen either of these two.
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/autumn-is-truly-here-ready-to/072810373051[/URL]
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_e/blondie-boo-megan/812124237025[/URL]
I like the body on the second one.
[QUOTE=Stonecoldstan;4229392]Has anyone seen either of these two.
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/autumn-is-truly-here-ready-to/072810373051[/URL]
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_e/blondie-boo-megan/812124237025[/URL]
I like the body on the second one.[/QUOTE]Autumn is a UTR living in Revanna. She's a small BBW with skills. Bbbjws pops her teeth out on request. Smells and tastes great, msog is available for the 1 hour clients. Reasonable rates. Worth the drive in my opinion. Sweet girl, not on drugs.
You can email her, getting a date will be hard without a password. She will quote rates and menu when you text her the password.
Pics I took on Monday are in Greneral reports, post number 3112.
[QUOTE=Monger01;4229285]150 for 45 mins plus tip? I texted her and was quoted the same. That converts to $200 an hour! Holy crap! For a massage and he? Even with bbbj that's crazy high.
Glad you enjoyed her but all these girls rates are sky high the past year. 60/ hr plus 40-60 tip for nude he with roaming is all I will ever pay. At 150 plus tip for only 45 mins It better be full service plus msog. Riley is a better option. Or better yet just an escort so I know I get full service. These high rates for massage are insane.[/QUOTE]I so agree with the crazy rates, I have spent a lot of cash at MP's. $120 seems to be the lowest I spent for a HE and $160 for fity. I have move up to escorts and get FS for a few more dollars. I purchased a burner for $50 and have only gone to established providers. My first MP experience was in Kzoo many years ago, the HE was an extra $5,.
[QUOTE=JoeHolland;4230205]I so agree with the crazy rates, I have spent a lot of cash at MP's. $120 seems to be the lowest I spent for a HE and $160 for fity. I have move up to escorts and get FS for a few more dollars. I purchased a burner for $50 and have only gone to established providers. My first MP experience was in Kzoo many years ago, the HE was an extra $5,.[/QUOTE]I'm a budget minded monger too.
If you get a massage and don't like the upsell for HJ or BJ, Just call an escort (with a burner phone)
When you call the escort, they're usually in bad hotels.
Tell them you will not go to that hotel but will pick them up for a car date, as long as they provide BBBJws.
The BJ car date rate is 40,(don't pay more), that's a better rate than most HJ at an MP.
It's worked for me many times with providers staying at cheap hotels.
Don't try this on a Friday they'll hang up on you. This usually works on Sunday thru Thursday.
While on the car date make sure you get the most for your money, bring along a song or two from ZZ Top Fandango album. My perfect choice for a BJ song is Blue Jean Blues, nice and slow. Plug it in, hit repeat, tell her to match her stroke to the music. If BJB is too slow for you, there are some other great choices on the album , pick the song with the right rhythm and get the BJ speed you want.
Just trying to help, Happy Hunting
[QUOTE=Monger01;4229285]150 for 45 mins plus tip? I texted her and was quoted the same. That converts to $200 an hour! Holy crap! For a massage and he? Even with bbbj that's crazy high.[/QUOTE]Tipping at massage parlor when presented with market prices for a market service, yeah, you're expected to tip as routine as going to a restaurant. But, especially if a gal's going solo doing massages -- if she's charging 3 x standard market prices for it, you aren't expected to tip. By basic assumption, the tip's already included in that Very High Price, to ensure she gets it.
That said, 3 x the market price, even with tip included, for 45 minutes ($150 instead of $50 + $50 if good), simply is not worth it to one who at least occasionally partakes in massage recreation. It's more than just an extra $10 on top of that good tip, because she's one of the hotter ones, stripped down early, and Fully utilized the time. You're talking 2 x of a Good-Tip. I guess could see that as an Intro price as part of a weeding process, bringing it down to $120 for repeats, fully utilizing the clock where it's more like a standard market HR session in time + giving 2 pops. That's still on the higher-end, and not at all ideal for a guy just looking for a quick pop-and-go, but I could still understand the argument if it was everything shy of a BBBJ that could be had for a lengthy massage Experience + she was great looking and really cool. Basically getting what'd be worth a $60/60 for an HR session with a gal (a great session with a great gal, but still it being an HR session lasting closer to 45 m).
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4230649]Tipping at massage parlor when presented with market prices for a market service, yeah, you're expected to tip as routine as going to a restaurant. But, especially if a gal's going solo doing massages -- if she's charging 3 x standard market prices for it, you aren't expected to tip. By basic assumption, the tip's already included in that Very High Price, to ensure she gets it.
That said, 3 x the market price, even with tip included, for 45 minutes ($150 instead of $50 + $50 if good), simply is not worth it to one who at least occasionally partakes in massage recreation. It's more than just an extra $10 on top of that good tip, because she's one of the hotter ones, stripped down early, and Fully utilized the time. You're talking 2 x of a Good-Tip. I guess could see that as an Intro price as part of a weeding process, bringing it down to $120 for repeats, fully utilizing the clock where it's more like a standard market HR session in time + giving 2 pops. That's still on the higher-end, and not at all ideal for a guy just looking for a quick pop-and-go, but I could still understand the argument if it was everything shy of a BBBJ that could be had for a lengthy massage Experience + she was great looking and really cool. Basically getting what'd be worth a $60/60 for an HR session with a gal (a great session with a great gal, but still it being an HR session lasting closer to 45 m).[/QUOTE]Then don't go.
If you don't go, the market might correct it's self.
I think we're missing the point of the service the hobby MP provides. If they wanted a massage their are plenty of licensed massage girls to do the job for them. If they just need a HJ, they can do it themselves.
I have a friend that spends a lot of money on a MP girl once or twice a month. He does not care how much anyone else is paying, he will pay more for her to make him a priority when he wants to see her. Maybe he gets off on getting this girl to drop everything for him, when he wants to see her (control freak?) We really don't know what goes on in the psyche of every hobbiest or what really goes on in the room for them to be happy paying whatever price.
Speculating how we think it should be (as experienced negotiators and hobbiest) doesn't matter to every monger. We have to do our own math and give up questioning how other mongers do their math because it won't make sense to us.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4230696]Then don't go.
If you don't go, the market might correct it's self.
I think we're missing the point of the service the hobby MP provides. If they wanted a massage their are plenty of licensed massage girls to do the job for them. If they just need a HJ, they can do it themselves.
I have a friend that spends a lot of money on a MP girl once or twice a month. He does not care how much anyone else is paying, he will pay more for her to make him a priority when he wants to see her. Maybe he gets off on getting this girl to drop everything for him, when he wants to see her (control freak?) We really don't know what goes on in the psyche of every hobbiest or what really goes on in the room for them to be happy paying whatever price.
Speculating how we think it should be (as experienced negotiators and hobbiest) doesn't matter to every monger. We have to do our own math and give up questioning how other mongers do their math because it won't make sense to us.[/QUOTE]I am posting for the first time on this forum, but I have been reading this forum for over 10 years. I have over 25 years mongering at MP's and can when I am compelled to write. Benz1 is completely accurate, I have paid way above going rates because I have learned that I would rather have personal attention due to my tipping, than be ignored or have to wait in a line with other people. I know that most people are on a budget, but I just don't really care. I have seen countless providers over the years and I just would rather be a priority with an extra "above average" tip, than tip normal rates and be just another regular "monger". I make good money and would choose to spend it the way I see fit, even though I know it may not be the "norm". I am sorry if this offends someone, but when you are on the table and the provider is good at what she does, then I have learned over the years to tip more to become a priority. Sorry, Benz1, but I din't mean to write so long. I just can't handle when people try to fit a square peg in a round hole! LOL.
I saw Natasha again last week. I can understand why she doesn't get reviews often. Her clients don't want her schedule filling up more than it is.
Everytime I see Natasha I'm spellbound by her beauty. Her warm welcoming smile and soft voice help express her personality and why she is the massage queen in our city. I always feel honored to be in her presence.
She doesn't need to give a massage to relax you, just look into her eyes.
The words of Frankie Valli kept going through my head, the whole time I was there.
You're just to good to be true. Can't take my eyes off of you. You're like heaven to touch.
I will repeat as often as her schedule allows.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4232279]I saw Natasha again last week. I can understand why she doesn't get reviews often. Her clients don't want her schedule filling up more than it is.
Everytime I see Natasha I'm spellbound by her beauty. Her warm welcoming smile and soft voice help express her personality and why she is the massage queen in our city. I always feel honored to be in her presence.
She doesn't need to give a massage to relax you, just look into her eyes.
The words of Frankie Valli kept going through my head, the whole time I was there.
You're just to good to be true. Can't take my eyes off of you. You're like heaven to touch.
I will repeat as often as her schedule allows.[/QUOTE]I agree Benz, Natasha is hands down the BEST! So sexy and sweet and yet knows how to tease with the dirty talk, etc and most of all, never, EVER ruins the mood by bringing up money or discussing a tip! That's the reason why Natasha only has to work a couple days a week, she knows the formula to make each guy feel special and in turn makes money hand over first! You would think that all of the ladies would learn that by now.
[QUOTE=LoveTheLips;4232397]I agree Benz, Natasha is hands down the BEST! So sexy and sweet and yet knows how to tease with the dirty talk, etc and most of all, never, EVER ruins the mood by bringing up money or discussing a tip! That's the reason why Natasha only has to work a couple days a week, she knows the formula to make each guy feel special and in turn makes money hand over first! You would think that all of the ladies would learn that by now.[/QUOTE]I proposed to her, during the appointment.
The way she looked at me tells me she's thinking about it.
[QUOTE=VelvetGoldMine;4229124]Hello friends, I work close to both locations and don't really want to waste money or time. Any info on Healing hands or the MP next to Marges donuts. I'm going to try one of them today after work and will be report what I find out. Is one better than the other?[/QUOTE]I have many HE at Healing Hands. Older Asian lady. We've switched places also. Place by Marge's does not do anything extra, from my experience a couple times.
Been waiting for this. Get them John Doe!
[URL]https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/15/day-spa-robert-kraft-lawsuit-civil-rights-video/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4232857]Been waiting for this. Get them John Doe!
[URL]https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/15/day-spa-robert-kraft-lawsuit-civil-rights-video/[/URL][/QUOTE]I happened to be vacationing in South Florida when this whole AMP bust went down. What started as a Law Enforcement effort to bust sexual trafficking ended up embarrassing quite a few well known & respected locals (in addition to a bunch of average Joes). That apparently surprised the local LE and, as Wolverine points out, expect many lawsuits if charges aren't dropped. Interesting outcome that within a couple days, many AMP's began running "massage only" operations all around southern Florida. Some even closed for "cleaning". Majority of parlors in Naples / Fort Myers area (where I was) are "connected" to Miami coast operators. Locals down there call it the Chinese cartel. At least they knew to lay low for awhile. Most mongers, at least those chatting on the board, didn't realize they should as well. Boybear.
Visited this delightful lady last Thursday. Very discrete but unusual office in with other businesses, but not uncomfortable.
Very enthusiastic. Excellent massage. S she is a CMT. Got almost naked for me, full roaming with FIV. Wet. Nice. Great chest! Great HE, $ all in very worthwhile. Repeat. Repeat.
Back in the day I was a regular seeing Lin and always enjoyed it despite her negative reviews. I lost her contact info and was curious if she is still working in the area? If anyone has any information it would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=BoyBear;4233673]I happened to be vacationing in South Florida when this whole AMP bust went down. What started as a Law Enforcement effort to bust sexual trafficking ended up embarrassing quite a few well known & respected andlocals (in addition to a bunch of average Joes). That apparently surprised the local LE and, as Wolverine points out, expect many lawsuits if charges aren't dropped. Interesting outcome that within a couple days, many AMP's began running "massage only" operations all around southern Florida. Some even closed for "cleaning". Majority of parlors in Naples / Fort Myers area (where I was) are "connected" to Miami coast operators. Locals down there call it the Chinese cartel. At least they knew to lay low for awhile. Most mongers, at least those chatting on the board, didn't realize they should as well. Boybear.[/QUOTE]I also spent the majority of the winter in southern Florida. I enjoyed a half dozen visits to various massage parlours in Ft. Myers and other areas of South Florida and not once was denied the service I was interested in nor had any issues as a first time customer. The AMPs in the area are quite liberal, up to and including FS in pretty much every one I went to. Cost was typically on par with around here up to the BJ level, I've never had the offer for FS around here so have no idea what the going rate is. In Florida it was around $200 all in including massage 1 hour (and always the FULL hour I recieved!) for FS, $120 - $150 for BJ and $80 for HJ and some mutual touch on top.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;4233834]I also spent the majority of the winter in southern Florida. I enjoyed a half dozen visits to various massage parlours in Ft. Myers and other areas of South Florida and not once was denied the service I was interested in nor had any issues as a first time customer. The AMPs in the area are quite liberal, up to and including FS in pretty much every one I went to. Cost was typically on par with around here up to the BJ level, I've never had the offer for FS around here so have no idea what the going rate is. In Florida it was around $200 all in including massage 1 hour (and always the FULL hour I recieved!) for FS, $120 - $150 for BJ and $80 for HJ and some mutual touch on top.[/QUOTE]Mr Blackfire is correct that there are many (nearly 100) AMP's in Naples / Fort Myers area. With that number you would expect more competitive pricing. Literally everyone has. 5/. 7 entry fee and same fun pricing Blackfire indicates. That indicates "cooperation" if not outright control from a few in charge. My previous point was always be aware of local conditions. If you were to read the current Fort Myers massage forum, the current chatter is about a recent Naples spa bust, reduced services at frequently reviewed spas, and mostly talk about independent providers. While I doubt local AMP's are as tightly controlled, my point still holds true. Pay attention to established monger reporting, local LE news and practice safe hobbying. Boybear.
[QUOTE=StevesMilin;4233793]Visited this delightful lady last Thursday. Very discrete but unusual office in with other businesses, but not uncomfortable.
Very enthusiastic. Excellent massage. S she is a CMT. Got almost naked for me, full roaming with FIV. Wet. Nice. Great chest! Great HE, $ all in very worthwhile. Repeat. Repeat.[/QUOTE]What's the name of the place?? And did you get the lady's name??
[QUOTE=TheDean12;4234129]What's the name of the place?? And did you get the lady's name??[/QUOTE]I didn't get the name. Private office. Young 28 why / o AA lady with great talents. Today's STG ad titled "It's Raining Come inside my Private Office".
[QUOTE=TheDean12;4234129]What's the name of the place?? And did you get the lady's name??[/QUOTE]Here is her page. [URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/its-raining-come-inside-my-pri/896026774038[/URL] I'm thinking that is who he went and saw.
I was at Royal about two months ago. Had massage from cute girl with dirty blonde hair. Great experience. I want to schedule another appointment with her but did not get her name.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4232473]I proposed to her, during the appointment.
The way she looked at me tells me she's thinking about it.[/QUOTE]Hey Benz, I sent you a pm last night.
Thanks for the review.
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/its-raining-come-inside-my-pri/896026774038[/URL]
[QUOTE=StevesMilin;4233793]Visited this delightful lady last Thursday. Very discrete but unusual office in with other businesses, but not uncomfortable.
Very enthusiastic. Excellent massage. S she is a CMT. Got almost naked for me, full roaming with FIV. Wet. Nice. Great chest! Great HE, $ all in very worthwhile. Repeat. Repeat.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheDean12;4234129]What's the name of the place?? And did you get the lady's name??[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StevesMilin;4234209]I didn't get the name. Private office. Young 28 why / o AA lady with great talents. Today's STG ad titled "It's Raining Come inside my Private Office".[/QUOTE]
Not one sex trafficking charge and yet that is what they used as justification for installing those video cameras in the rooms. So now you have some pissed off Treasure Coast rich people (and as you mentioned some average joes). I really hope this turns into a huge embarrassment for the local officials and it becomes a lesson of what not to do to all other agencies around the country.
[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/robert-kraft-sex-work-trafficking-florida-823153/[/url]
[QUOTE=BoyBear;4233673]I happened to be vacationing in South Florida when this whole AMP bust went down. What started as a Law Enforcement effort to bust sexual trafficking ended up embarrassing quite a few well known & respected locals (in addition to a bunch of average Joes). That apparently surprised the local LE and, as Wolverine points out, expect many lawsuits if charges aren't dropped. Interesting outcome that within a couple days, many AMP's began running "massage only" operations all around southern Florida. Some even closed for "cleaning". Majority of parlors in Naples / Fort Myers area (where I was) are "connected" to Miami coast operators. Locals down there call it the Chinese cartel. At least they knew to lay low for awhile. Most mongers, at least those chatting on the board, didn't realize they should as well. Boybear.[/QUOTE]
Located at 690 Netherfield St NW. I learned about this place recently and the website looks exactly like the one in Lansing. I also think they must have spent a ton of time thinking of a good name for the business. Out of curiosity I checked it out to see if it is like the one in Lansing. So yep, same place. The girls are attractive and the massage is adequate. Any playfulness seems incidental. She allow otc, but only her legs and ass. So 60 for 1 hour massage and a 10 for tip and I was on my way.
Did you mean Lina the Asian girl?
[QUOTE=Cjm2333;4233815]Back in the day I was a regular seeing Lin and always enjoyed it despite her negative reviews. I lost her contact info and was curious if she is still working in the area? If anyone has any information it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Choose;4235705]Located at 690 Netherfield St NW. I learned about this place recently and the website looks exactly like the one in Lansing. I also think they must have spent a ton of time thinking of a good name for the business. Out of curiosity I checked it out to see if it is like the one in Lansing. So yep, same place. The girls are attractive and the massage is adequate. Any playfulness seems incidental. She allow otc, but only her legs and ass. So 60 for 1 hour massage and a 10 for tip and I was on my way.[/QUOTE]You didn't say there was a h / e?? I think on here it was stated as no, was there?
I visited Jessica a little while back, hot body average face, gives a great massage and is very personable. She got nude on the flip, allows roaming for fun. Love the straight forward personality, will visit again.
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4234579]Thanks for the review.
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/its-raining-come-inside-my-pri/896026774038[/URL][/QUOTE]The cmt massage was ok focused on upper back and inner thighs. She says she went to school but when I asked her specific questions about my leg condition she didn't have a clue. Then came the big red flag. Upsell!
We went back and forth. The stg ad specifically says cim. She got me up another 80 because my stupid little leg kept seeing cim. Well, a half assed hand shake followed with hot oil. I literally had to force a release.
Basically the stg ad is misleading. I definitely think it's a waste of time and money.
Having a good day.
Tastes so sweet
[QUOTE=Benz1;4237072]Having a good day.
Tastes so sweet[/QUOTE]Looks like natasha??