Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;6354562]Of course it means nothing to you, you're a serial denier of the facts. It means that just like the Lancet commission (the publication that originally published the "Natural Origins" fraud), except whose chairman said it was "almost certainly" a lab leak, they concluded that Covid was the result of a lab leak, and not natural origins. I also left out the medium confidence with which the FBI had the same finding. So what?

More than half of Americans have woken up now, and no longer believe Covid was from "natural origins" at all. I have complete confidence you'll be one of the last, but come to the same conclusion you will. The Freedom of Information Act exposed Fauci's desperate attempts at cover-up, where even his own panel of experts changed their opinion in the course of 24 hours from being almost certain it was a lab leak to publishing a paper claiming the exact opposite. Yeah, that's more credible than the FBI and DOE.

Anytime something disagrees with your narrative, you find a reason to question the source. How many times do you need to be proven wrong to have a little humility and start to think for yourself before you post and parrot the mindless talking points? Need some examples?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5746811&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5746811 - Of course, we know now that you were dead wrong, and even the military admitted these stats from the whistelblowers were correct, but now claim there was "a glitch" in their DMED system, which has now magically been fixed. Of course, per your MO, you attacked the source here. You rooted here for Pfizer and Big Pharma to bury the whistleblowers. Makes me wonder just what is your agenda?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5797102&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5797102- Here again you questioned the source, and made up your own numbers to refute the facts. Starting to sound familiar?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5799922&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5799922- once again, you question the source, despite the fact that there's an actual videotape of an FDA employee, which was never denied. I guess you probably also used the same contortions to deny the recent video of the Pfizer employee talking about how they were thinking of mutating the virus so they could be first out with a vaccine. Again, a verified Pfizer employee (now ex-employee), and the contents of the video are not in dispute. You're probably hoping Pfizer will "bury them" too, which is obviously what you want to do with the truth in general when it conflicts with your limited understanding.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5805047&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5805047- here you questioned a German publication as a reputable source, despite the fact that it's one of most widely read and respected in Germany, and that they provided stats. Since that time, the numbers cited gave the German Health Ministry enough concern that they launched their own study, and found a reporting rate of 1 for every 5000 shots. This rate is terrifying enough considering the hundreds of millions vaccinated, but it is well accepted that the systems severely underreport adverse events.

I think there's a clear pattern here, and by now, one might have hoped that you would have learned to expand your horizons a bit and enlighten yourself. Alas, some people are hopeless and need to be told what to think.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715[/URL]

We withdraw our funding for those labs and put Fauci in jail for working with them on gain of use function in direct violation of US Laws.

[QUOTE=LoveARub69;6355401]Ok. Let's assume that we're 100% positive that Covid came from a Chinese lab leak. What do you propose we do about it? Start a war? Crash our economy by sanctioning the Chinese with embargos? I'm just not sure what we can do with this information besides tell the Chinese that we know and ask them politely to be more careful in the future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveARub69;6355401]Ok. Let's assume that we're 100% positive that Covid came from a Chinese lab leak. What do you propose we do about it? Start a war? Crash our economy by sanctioning the Chinese with embargos? I'm just not sure what we can do with this information besides tell the Chinese that we know and ask them politely to be more careful in the future.[/QUOTE]We can take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. Of course, it wasn't supposed to happen this time, but what appears very likely is that the US ban on gain of function research was end-run, and this was not all China's responsibility. China certainly didn't help with their cover-up, their failure to come forward promptly when the first Covid cases appeared, and their allowing people to travel from China to all over the world even after they were aware of the problem. There are limited things we can do about that, short of war, to impact and deter China from such actions in the future. But it also sure looks like the WIV was aided with US funding as well, and this is something we can do a lot about.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;6355699]We withdraw our funding for those labs and put Fauci in jail for working with them on gain of use function in direct violation of US Laws.[/QUOTE]Bingo! Making an example of people who enabled this is the strongest message we can send, and deterrent to prevent this from happening again.

As far as crashing our economy, this has already been accomplished by those who enabled this Scamdemic. Whether you realize it or not, our economy and citizens are paying a devastating price in terms of inflation, soaring debt from all the free-money printing, economic & societal shutdowns, and big pharma collusion with goverment and hijacking of our rights that will leave us with unfathomable health care costs for years and years to come.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;6355524][URL]https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715[/URL][/QUOTE]Like the "Proximal Origins" paper that Fauci helped concoct (as evidenced by his own emails), this is a rationalization to support a pre-determined outcome. Meanwhile, we know from the emails obtained through the Freedom of Information Act that Fauci lied to Congress, using the "Natural Origins" paper as his proof that Covid was not a result of a lab leak. Incredibly, he claimed that he could not even recall the names of the authors. Such obvious bullshit, since he'd known them for years, clearly instigated this publication to deflect heat from his gain of function research, and personally emailed with them. Not surprisingly, some of these authors were subsequently richly rewarded with grants from Collins and Fauci. These same authors, who had previously told Fauci that Covid was most likely the result of a lab leak, came out in the press just 3 days after their meeting with Fauci and claimed the Lab Leak theory was a conspiracy theory put forth by crackpots. I guess they considered themselves crackpots. Any rational person can put 2 & 2 together that this was clearly an orchestrated cover-up, and an attempt to censor and suppress the truth, and besmirch those who dared to seek it out. Even USA Today at least had integrity enough to point out this inexplicable shift: [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/[/URL].

FBI Director Wray just reconfirmed the FBI believes Covid came from a lab leak.

Dr. Birx now admits Covid came from a lab leak.

[URL]https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/17/deborah-birx-says-covid-came-out-of-the-box-ready-to-infect-admits-chinese-lab-working-on-virus-1262495/[/URL]

Scientist who worked with EcoHealth Alliance (funded by Fauci) and WIV says Covid was lab-leak.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/scientist-with-ny-non-profit-tied-to-wuhan-lab-says-covid-man-made-virus/[/URL]

Chinese Scientist who worked for years at WIV said 3 years ago it was undoubtedly a lab leak, and just reiterated this again recently:

[URL]https://twitter.com/drlimengyan1?lang=en[/URL]

Here's just a small part of what we knew already in 2021 (and we know a lot more now), and this is directly from the US State Dept. Fact Sheet: [URL]https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html[/URL].

For more than a year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has systematically prevented a transparent and thorough investigation of the COVID-19 pandemic's origin, choosing instead to devote enormous resources to deceit and disinformation. Nearly two million people have died. Their families deserve to know the truth. Only through transparency can we learn what caused this pandemic and how to prevent the next one.

The USA Government does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virusknown as SARS-CoV-2was transmitted initially to humans. We have not determined whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

The virus could have emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, spreading in a pattern consistent with a natural epidemic. Alternatively, a laboratory accident could resemble a natural outbreak if the initial exposure included only a few individuals and was compounded by asymptomatic infection. Scientists in China have researched animal-derived coronaviruses under conditions that increased the risk for accidental and potentially unwitting exposure.

The CCP's deadly obsession with secrecy and control comes at the expense of public health in China and around the world. The previously undisclosed information in this fact sheet, combined with open-source reporting, highlights three elements about COVID-19's origin that deserve greater scrutiny:

1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):

The USA Government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli's public claim that there was "zero infection" among the WIV's staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.

Accidental infections in labs have caused several previous virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere, including a 2004 SARS outbreak in Beijing that infected nine people, killing one.

The CCP has prevented independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities from interviewing researchers at the WIV, including those who were ill in the fall of 2019. Any credible inquiry into the origin of the virus must include interviews with these researchers and a full accounting of their previously unreported illness.

2. Research at the WIV:

Starting in at least 2016 and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.

The WIV has a published record of conducting "gain-of-function" research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including "RaTG13," which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.

WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV's work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.

3. Secret military activity at the WIV:

Secrecy and non-disclosure are standard practice for Beijing. For many years the United States has publicly raised concerns about China's past biological weapons work, which Beijing has neither documented nor demonstrably eliminated, despite its clear obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention.

Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China's military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.

The United States and other donors who funded or collaborated on civilian research at the WIV have a right and obligation to determine whether any of our research funding was diverted to secret Chinese military projects at the WIV.

Today's revelations just scratch the surface of what is still hidden about COVID-19's origin in China. Any credible investigation into the origin of COVID-19 demands complete, transparent access to the research labs in Wuhan, including their facilities, samples, personnel, and records.

As the world continues to battle this pandemic and as WHO investigators begin their work, after more than a year of delays the virus's origin remains uncertain. The United States will continue to do everything it can to support a credible and thorough investigation, including by continuing to demand transparency on the part of Chinese authorities.

Hmm, those sure are all some kind of crazy, crackpot conspiracy coincidences, and Covid just happened to spring up right by the WIV, where bat coronavirus research was taking place. Yeah, it's much more plausible to belive it sprung up naturally from a wet market by bats which were not sold at the market, and don't exist within hundreds of miles of there. As Bugs would say- What a maroon!

The Chinese let a deadly virus escape from their research labs and covered it up, so they're responsible for millions of deaths around the world. The US government locked down its country over a harmless virus and should be prosecuted for violating its citizens rights. Masks and vaccines were unnecessary because Covid is not, nor was it ever a danger to the world, western governments just used it as an excuse to seize power for its citizens.

[QUOTE=NewDude;6356440]The Chinese let a deadly virus escape from their research labs and covered it up, so they're responsible for millions of deaths around the world. The US government locked down its country over a harmless virus and should be prosecuted for violating its citizens rights. Masks and vaccines were unnecessary because Covid is not, nor was it ever a danger to the world, western governments just used it as an excuse to seize power for its citizens.[/QUOTE]On one hand you blame China for releasing a deadly virus that killed millions then you say it was a harmless virus and should have been ignored? So which is it?

[QUOTE=LoveARub69;6356605]On one hand you blame China for releasing a deadly virus that killed millions then you say it was a harmless virus and should have been ignored? So which is it?[/QUOTE]Don't mind NewDude, he's an idiot who made up his post in a weak attempt to mischaracterize what I said. Take it with a grain of salt- this is the same idiot who claimed that the cops who shot Rayshard Brooks would be found guilty of murder (the officers were reinstated and given back pay for their time off). The same fool that stated APD are the highest paid cops in the country (completely false & made up stat). The same fool that said there's no problem with the economy and everyone's doing great (meanwhile, inflation's been at 40-yr highs, personal debt levels also just hit all-time highs, and corporate bankruptcies at the highest levels since the Great Financial Crisis). He's also the same fool who made disgusting, pejorative, race-baiting comments. Yeah, he's real good with the facts and very credible. He makes a great case to back up his claims that he's so much smarter, better educated, and richer than all those poor, ignorant, dumb white people, doesn't he?

[QUOTE=SindayMass;6376590]The post listed "cathy" as a Japaneses. I know that there is a lot of BS Ads listing as such. That's why you check here isn't it?

Were a community of like minded folks who learn from each-other. Turns out they are some older ones and not Japanese.

I got my answer from this community. Thank you very much!


Shit! that was my 100th post ..... glad it was about sharing ...[/QUOTE]Complete waste of bandwidth. Are you offended or some shit? Seeking clarification to what you asked as your post made no logical sense. Write up English my guy LOL. I'm the one that asked for that thread to be created in the first place. Since the Asian apartment post always get buried. Once again. I don't go to these apartments anymore. It just seemed funny that you just keep squandering for more info. Go fuck these bitches, take some Ls LOL.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;6357187]Don't mind NewDude, he's an idiot who made up his post in a weak attempt to mischaracterize what I said. Take it with a grain of salt- this is the same idiot who claimed that the cops who shot Rayshard Brooks would be found guilty of murder (the officers were reinstated and given back pay for their time off). The same fool that stated APD are the highest paid cops in the country (completely false & made up stat). The same fool that said there's no problem with the economy and everyone's doing great (meanwhile, inflation's been at 40-yr highs, personal debt levels also just hit all-time highs, and corporate bankruptcies at the highest levels since the Great Financial Crisis). He's also the same fool who made disgusting, pejorative, race-baiting comments. Yeah, he's real good with the facts and very credible. He makes a great case to back up his claims that he's so much smarter, better educated, and richer than all those poor, ignorant, dumb white people, doesn't he?[/QUOTE]Well that comment on bankruptcies turned out to be quite prophetic. With Silicon Valley Bank leading the way we now have a banking failure that has spread and is still not defined. Frustrating that the failure mechanism is the same for all and could be identified and better managed by a Sophomore Finance major. They all were holding long dated paper (T bills, bonds, etc) that was becoming less valuable with each rate hike by the Federal reserve. When finally forced to sell this paper they did so at a huge loss. I sold every single share of a bond FUND I held in Jan 2022. Not rocket science. Rates were headed up. I had to sit on the cash for around 10 months before I started buying short dated Treasury Coupons (3 or 6 months) that recently got up to around 5%. Wish I had more cash.

So the frustrating part is all my bank stocks and financial ETF's have gotten clobbered while the offending banks are all going to be bailed out. All this why the C level guys make 3-10 million per year for twiddling their thumbs. Hope Congress moves swiftly to make those responsible pay every dime of their multimillion dollar bonuses back to the taxpayer that is funding yet another bailout. Hoping we can get through the week without another idiot announcing that his bank is insolvent.

[QUOTE=JMAbacus;6377337]Well that comment on bankruptcies turned out to be quite prophetic. With Silicon Valley Bank leading the way we now have a banking failure that has spread and is still not defined. Frustrating that the failure mechanism is the same for all and could be identified and better managed by a Sophomore Finance major. They all were holding long dated paper (T bills, bonds, etc) that was becoming less valuable with each rate hike by the Federal reserve. When finally forced to sell this paper they did so at a huge loss. I sold every single share of a bond FUND I held in Jan 2022. Not rocket science. Rates were headed up. I had to sit on the cash for around 10 months before I started buying short dated Treasury Coupons (3 or 6 months) that recently got up to around 5%. Wish I had more cash.

So the frustrating part is all my bank stocks and financial ETF's have gotten clobbered while the offending banks are all going to be bailed out. All this why the C level guys make 3-10 million per year for twiddling their thumbs. Hope Congress moves swiftly to make those responsible pay every dime of their multimillion dollar bonuses back to the taxpayer that is funding yet another bailout. Hoping we can get through the week without another idiot announcing that his bank is insolvent.[/QUOTE]You were much smarter than the Biden administration, and the Fed, who lived in a state of denial for a year claiming that inflation was transitory. But of course, they were busy "looking out for the little guy", not a one of which would have had an account at SVB in excess of the $250 k FDIC limit. No, they're busy bailing out their fat cat insider buddies like Sam Bankman Fried, who funnel them back money for supporting & enabling their scams to begin with. Meanwhile, inflation was robbing the poor disproportionately. But there was no problem- like NewDude said, everybody was doing great, and like Biden said, inflation was only transitory. Complete ignorance and denial for more than a year, until the Fed was finally forced to try to deal with inflation by raising rates at the fastest pace in history. Anybody can print money in unprecedented amounts, but only a fool would think that makes everything fine and dandy, and is unable to anticipate the repercussions.

Meanwhile, the lies continue to unravel on the Covid vaccines. The German Minister of Health now admits he lied about the vaccines in order to push them. When asked about his previous tweet that stated the shots were virtually free of side effects, Lauterbach admitted the tweet was "misguided" and an "exaggeration" he made at the time, noting that it "did not represent my true position. ".

[URL]https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/german-health-minister-admits-disturbing-vaccine-side-effects/[/URL]

And check out Fauci getting schooled in D. C. On his vaccine pushing trip. Note all the "disinformation" he spouts, and pay close attention at the 4-5 minute mark, where a "poor, uneducated" man exposes Fauci. Listen to the statements made by both, and it's obvious who was closer to the mark.

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/dr-fauci-visits-dc-battle-vaccine-hesistancy-nvc620/26489/[/URL]

This guy was much more intelligent than Bullett & Rabbit & Rogerover & the many others here who continued to push lies about the vaccines in the face of all factual evidence, all the while decrying the facts as "disinformation" and playing holier-than-thou to those who dared question the miracle vax narrative. They should be ashamed, but I'm afraid they lack the humility. The true story on the vaccines is just beginning to unfold, and unfortunately, the whole story probably never will be told. But enough is being exposed that most people have wised up to the uselessness of these vaccines, as evidenced by the current 1% booster uptake rate.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;6355933]Like the "Proximal Origins" paper that Fauci helped concoct (as evidenced by his own emails), this is a rationalization to support a pre-determined outcome. Meanwhile, we know from the emails obtained through the Freedom of Information Act that Fauci lied to Congress, using the "Natural Origins" paper as his proof that Covid was not a result of a lab leak. Incredibly, he claimed that he could not even recall the names of the authors. Such obvious bullshit, since he'd known them for years, clearly instigated this publication to deflect heat from his gain of function research, and personally emailed with them. Not surprisingly, some of these authors were subsequently richly rewarded with grants from Collins and Fauci. These same authors, who had previously told Fauci that Covid was most likely the result of a lab leak, came out in the press just 3 days after their meeting with Fauci and claimed the Lab Leak theory was a conspiracy theory put forth by crackpots. I guess they considered themselves crackpots. Any rational person can put 2 & 2 together that this was clearly an orchestrated cover-up, and an attempt to censor and suppress the truth, and besmirch those who dared to seek it out. Even USA Today at least had integrity enough to point out this inexplicable shift: [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/17/covid-19-fauci-lab-leaks-wuhan-china-origins/7737494002/[/URL].

FBI Director Wray just reconfirmed the FBI believes Covid came from a lab leak.

Dr. Birx now admits Covid came from a lab leak.

[URL]https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/17/deborah-birx-says-covid-came-out-of-the-box-ready-to-infect-admits-chinese-lab-working-on-virus-1262495/[/URL]

Scientist who worked with EcoHealth Alliance (funded by Fauci) and WIV says Covid was lab-leak.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/scientist-with-ny-non-profit-tied-to-wuhan-lab-says-covid-man-made-virus/[/URL]

Chinese Scientist who worked for years at WIV said 3 years ago it was undoubtedly a lab leak, and just reiterated this again recently:

[URL]https://twitter.com/drlimengyan1?lang=en[/URL]

Here's just a small part of what we knew already in 2021 (and we know a lot more now), and this is directly from the US State Dept. Fact Sheet: [URL]https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html[/URL].

For more than a year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has systematically prevented a transparent and thorough investigation of the COVID-19 pandemic's origin, choosing instead to devote enormous resources to deceit and disinformation. Nearly two million people have died. Their families deserve to know the truth. Only through transparency can we learn what caused this pandemic and how to prevent the next one.

The USA Government does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virusknown as SARS-CoV-2was transmitted initially to humans. We have not determined whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

The virus could have emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, spreading in a pattern consistent with a natural epidemic. Alternatively, a laboratory accident could resemble a natural outbreak if the initial exposure included only a few individuals and was compounded by asymptomatic infection. Scientists in China have researched animal-derived coronaviruses under conditions that increased the risk for accidental and potentially unwitting exposure.

The CCP's deadly obsession with secrecy and control comes at the expense of public health in China and around the world. The previously undisclosed information in this fact sheet, combined with open-source reporting, highlights three elements about COVID-19's origin that deserve greater scrutiny:

1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):

The USA Government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli's public claim that there was "zero infection" among the WIV's staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.

Accidental infections in labs have caused several previous virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere, including a 2004 SARS outbreak in Beijing that infected nine people, killing one.

The CCP has prevented independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities from interviewing researchers at the WIV, including those who were ill in the fall of 2019. Any credible inquiry into the origin of the virus must include interviews with these researchers and a full accounting of their previously unreported illness.

2. Research at the WIV:

Starting in at least 2016 and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.

The WIV has a published record of conducting "gain-of-function" research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including "RaTG13," which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.

WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV's work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.

3. Secret military activity at the WIV:

Secrecy and non-disclosure are standard practice for Beijing. For many years the United States has publicly raised concerns about China's past biological weapons work, which Beijing has neither documented nor demonstrably eliminated, despite its clear obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention.

Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China's military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.

The United States and other donors who funded or collaborated on civilian research at the WIV have a right and obligation to determine whether any of our research funding was diverted to secret Chinese military projects at the WIV.

Today's revelations just scratch the surface of what is still hidden about COVID-19's origin in China. Any credible investigation into the origin of COVID-19 demands complete, transparent access to the research labs in Wuhan, including their facilities, samples, personnel, and records.

As the world continues to battle this pandemic and as WHO investigators begin their work, after more than a year of delays the virus's origin remains uncertain. The United States will continue to do everything it can to support a credible and thorough investigation, including by continuing to demand transparency on the part of Chinese authorities.

Hmm, those sure are all some kind of crazy, crackpot conspiracy coincidences, and Covid just happened to spring up right by the WIV, where bat coronavirus research was taking place. Yeah, it's much more plausible to belive it sprung up naturally from a wet market by bats which were not sold at the market, and don't exist within hundreds of miles of there. As Bugs would say- What a maroon![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;6382153][URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh yes, that's so much more convincing then all the actual known evidence that makes it clear this was a lab leak. Let's see- racoon dogs were sold at the market, and supposedly Covid originated from this market (which is bullshit to begin with, since it's pretty clear Covid existed before their supposed identified date at the market). Yep, that's very convincing evidence. Nevermind that there's never been a racoon dog yet in nature that's been identified as having Covid. For that matter, they've yet to identify any animal from the Wuhan market that was infected with Covid.

Why are you so desperate to deny the obvious? Do you have a Fauci fetish or something? You're quick to dismiss all the known facts that are impossibly coincidental and point to the lab where they were were funded to do Covid research, in the city where the outbreak occurred, where several workers got mysteriously sick with Covid-like symptoms, and then were disappeared by the CCP. The Chinese refused to allow access and investigation to the lab, but we can just take their word that there was nothing to see there, and the Wuhan market was the cause of all this. All of this is known and documented, and not in doubt.

Even former CDC Director Redfield recently testitified about how Fauci locked him out of his machinations to construct the "natural origins" hoax, even though Redfield was on the investigating committee. Redfield testified to Congress that:

"In September 2019, three things happened in that lab. One, they deleted the sequences That is highly irregular—researchers don't usually like to do that. Second, they commanded the command and control of the lab from civilian control to military control. Highly unusual. And the third thing they did, which I think is really telling, is they let a contractor re-do the ventilation system in that laboratory. There is strong evidence there was a significant event in that laboratory in September 2019. ".

Nope, nothing to see there. There's a lot more, and I only listed a little of it below, but you didn't even bother to read that and put on your thinking cap, so there's really no point. You can't educate someone who doesn't want to be educated. Since you're such a believer in Fauci, are you still being a good boy and getting your Covid boosters every 2 months like he says you should?

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The other bbw chick you linked has been in NYC for years. Fake body, extremely trash box and ugly (imo). Are you suggesting I visit a girl that been doing this 10 plus years to get my rocks off? LOL.

The darkskin chick also has a fake body. I've seen reviews on her but she's not my type too. Work done on her body and I've also read a review how her ass isn't "big".

Nina (if we are talking about the same person) was dope. Tall BBW with a NATURAL phat ass. She hasnt been NYC in years. Maybe before backpage shutdown.

When it comes to NYC vs atl its not close. Atlanta is the mecca of hoes & big booty hoes. During the backpage era big booty hoes use to come to NYC to sell, or you would catch a chick that was new to the game with the crazy phatty. Its def not like that anymore. And the prices in NYC are crazy.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/newyork/brooklyn/125700295[/URL]#.

Tried to asked for 250/ hh last night. LOL no thanks.

When I come to atl I can still catch a NATURAL big booty chick for 80 hh150 hh, and have way more girls to choose from. The variety in atl is crazy. Shit this thread is 100 pages just off big booty provider talk. There's nothing like this in NYC section LOL.

But if you like bait and switch fake body latinas have at it.

We can agree to disagree. But ill end it with this.. i havent hobbied in nyc since 18/19( the girls are that bad imo)
Ive hobby in atl monthly since like 2017.[/QUOTE]LOL Wow you're so hurt by a simple post. You never stated you're looking for natural. If in NYC stay with the cronies in NYC threads? There is a tall bbw with a huge booty in NY still. She has been around for a long time. Similar body to Latina Rosa down here and didn't charge much. NY forums are lackluster because they meet the same ones and no one really post. So maybe you could change that? If you wanted to. A whole lot of bla bla here LMFAO. "The girls you link" What girls did I link in my prior post? I purposely didn't link them so someone doesn't create fake ads in ATL of them. Are you ranting about other post in other sections or something? If you don't like a certain body type. Congratulations? Honestly I don't know what you're contributing at the moment but cool. "Bait and switch latinas". What bait and switch latina have I shared? You sound retarded. Go some where with the nonsense. Maybe share the one who has been getting your rocks off. Sounds boring to see the same one. There are natural body women as well. 2 of them in my prior post are all natural? Like hugh?

I haven't hobbied in NYC since 2021 because of crime. I've seen plenty of good ones during my visits in NYC and other cities. Hell porn star Amy Anderssen and a few others were there during the past years. I've been delighted to see them. I do not care if you don't like porn stars either. Go to shop mart and gas stations to get some skanks then LOL.

Gents-.

Diverse group here, and as a senior member I'm calling in a favor for perspective and expertise.

Why?

I'm just questioning everything and heartbroken about the future.

1. Where are we as a country?

2. Have you lost faith in general?

3. Irrespective of the above questions, are you optimistic?

When you answer it would be helpful to know age / race for context, if you want.

Yeah yeah, I know take it all with a grain of salt. But guys, I need a lift.

[QUOTE=Androo75;6409785]Gents-.

Diverse group here, and as a senior member I'm calling in a favor for perspective and expertise.

Why?

I'm just questioning everything and heartbroken about the future.

1. Where are we as a country?

2. Have you lost faith in general?

3. Irrespective of the above questions, are you optimistic?

When you answer it would be helpful to know age / race for context, if you want.

Yeah yeah, I know take it all with a grain of salt. But guys, I need a lift.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have lost faith. Yes, heartbroken about the future. For the first time in American history we have an administration that actively works against its own people to make their lives harder and as miserable as possible. For the first time in our history we have a "president", the Great Unifier, who threatens his people with F15's. No president before this fraud ever came close to saying such a thing. Yes, we are fucked. Optimistic? Forget about it. Sorry but I cannot lift you here. I am a realist and I see what is coming. It is not good.

[QUOTE=Androo75;6409785]Gents-.

Diverse group here, and as a senior member I'm calling in a favor for perspective and expertise.

Why?

I'm just questioning everything and heartbroken about the future.

1. Where are we as a country?

2. Have you lost faith in general?

3. Irrespective of the above questions, are you optimistic?

When you answer it would be helpful to know age / race for context, if you want.

Yeah yeah, I know take it all with a grain of salt. But guys, I need a lift.[/QUOTE]58 year old white dude.

I am a small business owner, despite everything going on, the last 2 years my business has been very strong.

Much of what we sell into, Biden pulled the plug on first 2 days in office. But somehow business continues.

My biggest problem is having a good pool of people to hire from- that has been that way for at least last 4 years.

Things that scare me on both fronts- Personal and Business: Higher Taxes, Cash going away- becoming all electronic money, Bank Failures, continuing to give money we don't have to other countries, continuing to print money for God knows what programs our President and constituents want to spend money on, and of course War with any other country.

Have I lost faith? Not yet.

I am unhappy in America today- but have been for a long while now, there are a lot of reasons for this unhappiness. Probably the biggest reason is how undivided America has gotten.

Planning my retirement is 7 years or less if I get lucky and win the lottery, I am planning on going to another country to live out my remaining days. There are several places that are not undivided like the US has gotten. There are plenty of places that live free and without fear of the government.

Am I optimistic? I am of my future- if I can just get there!

[QUOTE=HighPockets64;6412617]58 year old white dude.

I am a small business owner, despite everything going on, the last 2 years my business has been very strong.

Much of what we sell into, Biden pulled the plug on first 2 days in office. But somehow business continues.

My biggest problem is having a good pool of people to hire from- that has been that way for at least last 4 years.

Things that scare me on both fronts- Personal and Business: Higher Taxes, Cash going away- becoming all electronic money, Bank Failures, continuing to give money we don't have to other countries, continuing to print money for God knows what programs our President and constituents want to spend money on, and of course War with any other country.

Have I lost faith? Not yet.

I am unhappy in America today- but have been for a long while now, there are a lot of reasons for this unhappiness. Probably the biggest reason is how undivided America has gotten.[/QUOTE]Undivided? I assume that you meant to say divided. This country is irreparably divided today. I completely agree with you about getting out of here though. I can't. Hope you make it. Don't wait too long either.

[QUOTE=JadeEast69;6412684]Undivided? I assume that you meant to say divided. This country is irreparably divided today. I completely agree with you about getting out of here though. I can't. Hope you make it. Don't wait too long either.[/QUOTE]Thanks for setting that straight.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;6384583]Oh yes, that's so much more convincing then all the actual known evidence that makes it clear this was a lab leak. Let's see- racoon dogs were sold at the market, and supposedly Covid originated from this market (which is bullshit to begin with, since it's pretty clear Covid existed before their supposed identified date at the market). Yep, that's very convincing evidence. Nevermind that there's never been a racoon dog yet in nature that's been identified as having Covid. For that matter, they've yet to identify any animal from the Wuhan market that was infected with Covid.

Why are you so desperate to deny the obvious? Do you have a Fauci fetish or something? You're quick to dismiss all the known facts that are impossibly coincidental and point to the lab where they were were funded to do Covid research, in the city where the outbreak occurred, where several workers got mysteriously sick with Covid-like symptoms, and then were disappeared by the CCP. The Chinese refused to allow access and investigation to the lab, but we can just take their word that there was nothing to see there, and the Wuhan market was the cause of all this. All of this is known and documented, and not in doubt.

Even former CDC Director Redfield recently testitified about how Fauci locked him out of his machinations to construct the "natural origins" hoax, even though Redfield was on the investigating committee. Redfield testified to Congress that:

"In September 2019, three things happened in that lab. One, they deleted the sequences That is highly irregularresearchers don't usually like to do that. Second, they commanded the command and control of the lab from civilian control to military control. Highly unusual. And the third thing they did, which I think is really telling, is they let a contractor re-do the ventilation system in that laboratory. There is strong evidence there was a significant event in that laboratory in September 2019. ".

Nope, nothing to see there. There's a lot more, and I only listed a little of it below, but you didn't even bother to read that and put on your thinking cap, so there's really no point. You can't educate someone who doesn't want to be educated. Since you're such a believer in Fauci, are you still being a good boy and getting your Covid boosters every 2 months like he says you should?[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, is HIV a lab leak, too? I ask because there was never a monkey with HIV before people got it.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;6443368]Just out of curiosity, is HIV a lab leak, too? I ask because there was never a monkey with HIV before people got it.[/QUOTE]It took you over 1. 5 months to come back with that? LOL. And it's still a desperate, pathetic attempt to draw an invalid conclusion from a strawman parallel (constructed similarly to the "Natural Origins" theory itself). Even your hero Fauci is now abandoing and distancing himself from the theory that he propagated in an attempt to cover up his complicity (with Dazak and EcoHealth being richly rewarded for their part in pushing the theory with a $7. 5 M grant from Fauci, despite never meeting NIH's demands to meet certain conditions before they could receive any more funding). No, that captain won't be the last to go down with the ship, it will be fools like you who continue to listen to the band as the ship sinks, while the captain rows away in the lifeboat.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;6443368]Just out of curiosity, is HIV a lab leak, too? I ask because there was never a monkey with HIV before people got it.[/QUOTE]I would say hiv falls into the contamination category. HIV is not originated from people having sex. Yes it can be transmitted from somebody infected with hiv such as a drug user having sex with somebody and then getting infected after the drug user used contaminated needles.

[QUOTE=TooHotForYou;6445590]I would say hiv falls into the contamination category. HIV is not originated from people having sex. Yes it can be transmitted from somebody infected with hiv such as a drug user having sex with somebody and then getting infected after the drug user used contaminated needles.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TooHotForYou;6445590]I would say hiv falls into the contamination category. HIV is not originated from people having sex. Yes it can be transmitted from somebody infected with hiv such as a drug user having sex with somebody and then getting infected after the drug user used contaminated needles.[/QUOTE]You didn't hear this from me, but the HIV epidemic can be directly traced back to the late 70's NBA. Hear me out.

In the mid 70's, NBA owners were petitioning the league to expand internationally. Anticipating the league to oblige, a handful of scouts were deployed to African countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Lagos, Congo, and others in an effort to find potential players who could be used to help grow popularity across the continent. A handful of recruits were brought to the US as developmental team players. When the young men came to the US, they were exposed to more women (who were rather accessible) than they had ever seen in their young lives. The NBA eventually opted to expand domestically instead of internationally, adding two more teams to the league, including in Seattle with a growing Asian population. By that time, the young recruits had astutely learned to enjoy the bounty of strange that was thrown at them in every US city they visited. And as one can imagine, the personal hygiene standards of young groupies in the late 70's was not what it is today. Unfortunately, what ensued was a virtual cornucopia of intercontinental STDs being passed around and mutating into the first of its kind superbug. First dubbed "Gonosyphiherpaids," it was eventually shortened to Advanced Immune Deficiency Syndrome, then AIDS.

Once unleashed on an unsuspecting populace in the early 80's, no Surgeon General's warning, telethon, or quilt could slow its devastation. That is, until one brave man they called "Magic" was sent to save humanity.

And that, dear reader, is the true story of the epidemic that came to define a generation. Along with Pepsi, Miami Vice, arcades, and some neo-disco synth music.

I always thought it was called Acquired immunodeficiency.

[QUOTE=HobbyistLobby;6446264]You didn't hear this from me, but the HIV epidemic can be directly traced back to the late 70's NBA. Hear me out.

In the mid 70's, NBA owners were petitioning the league to expand internationally. Anticipating the league to oblige, a handful of scouts were deployed to African countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Lagos, Congo, and others in an effort to find potential players who could be used to help grow popularity across the continent. A handful of recruits were brought to the US as developmental team players. When the young men came to the US, they were exposed to more women (who were rather accessible) than they had ever seen in their young lives. The NBA eventually opted to expand domestically instead of internationally, adding two more teams to the league, including in Seattle with a growing Asian population. By that time, the young recruits had astutely learned to enjoy the bounty of strange that was thrown at them in every US city they visited. And as one can imagine, the personal hygiene standards of young groupies in the late 70's was not what it is today. Unfortunately, what ensued was a virtual cornucopia of intercontinental STDs being passed around and mutating into the first of its kind superbug. First dubbed "Gonosyphiherpaids," it was eventually shortened to Advanced Immune Deficiency Syndrome, then AIDS.

Once unleashed on an unsuspecting populace in the early 80's, no Surgeon General's warning, telethon, or quilt could slow its devastation. That is, until one brave man they called "Magic" was sent to save humanity.

And that, dear reader, is the true story of the epidemic that came to define a generation. Along with Pepsi, Miami Vice, arcades, and some neo-disco synth music.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JadeEast69;6410115]Yes, I have lost faith. Yes, heartbroken about the future. For the first time in American history we have an administration that actively works against its own people to make their lives harder and as miserable as possible. For the first time in our history we have a "president", the Great Unifier, who threatens his people with F15's. No president before this fraud ever came close to saying such a thing. Yes, we are fucked. Optimistic? Forget about it. Sorry but I cannot lift you here. I am a realist and I see what is coming. It is not good.[/QUOTE]MAGA scum destroyed America.

[QUOTE=HobbyistLobby;6446264]You didn't hear this from me, but the HIV epidemic can be directly traced back to the late 70's NBA. Hear me out.

In the mid 70's, NBA owners were petitioning the league to expand internationally. Anticipating the league to oblige, a handful of scouts were deployed to African countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Lagos, Congo, and others in an effort to find potential players who could be used to help grow popularity across the continent. A handful of recruits were brought to the US as developmental team players. When the young men came to the US, they were exposed to more women (who were rather accessible) than they had ever seen in their young lives. The NBA eventually opted to expand domestically instead of internationally, adding two more teams to the league, including in Seattle with a growing Asian population. By that time, the young recruits had astutely learned to enjoy the bounty of strange that was thrown at them in every US city they visited. And as one can imagine, the personal hygiene standards of young groupies in the late 70's was not what it is today. Unfortunately, what ensued was a virtual cornucopia of intercontinental STDs being passed around and mutating into the first of its kind superbug. First dubbed "Gonosyphiherpaids," it was eventually shortened to Advanced Immune Deficiency Syndrome, then AIDS..[/QUOTE]Can you provide a link to this story because most of us have never heard this version. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ranken;6449153]MAGA scum destroyed America.[/QUOTE]What else to expect from a blind, ignorant Democrat. Believe whatever you must, Democrat, and remain clueless to the forces that are destroying your country around you. It ain't MAGA's that you should worry about. It's you. Bye bye.

[QUOTE=Ranken;6449153]MAGA scum destroyed America.[/QUOTE]Just for you.

[QUOTE=CrestWood87;6450161]Just for you.[/QUOTE]Dude. You're watching the destruction of America in real time right now. Trump left office with energy independence, operational control of the border, excellent employment numbers, and China, Korea, and Russia under control.

Biden has systematically brought us to the brink of freaking WW3. His energy policies are untenable, his border policies are disastrous. Quit watching CNN & MSNBC.

[QUOTE=Basser;6450461]Dude. You're watching the destruction of America in real time right now. Trump left office with energy independence, operational control of the border, excellent employment numbers, and China, Korea, and Russia under control.

Biden has systematically brought us to the brink of freaking WW3. His energy policies are untenable, his border policies are disastrous. Quit watching CNN & MSNBC.[/QUOTE]Dude I agree 100%. The Destruction of america is not an accident they are doing this by design.

[QUOTE=Basser;6450461]Dude. You're watching the destruction of America in real time right now. Trump left office with energy independence, operational control of the border, excellent employment numbers, and China, Korea, and Russia under control.

Biden has systematically brought us to the brink of freaking WW3. His energy policies are untenable, his border policies are disastrous. Quit watching CNN & MSNBC.[/QUOTE]All of Biden's policies are deliberate. What is happening now is no accident regardless of what the hate Trump howlers blather on about. Many of us warned many of those on this site about him and his monsters and what they were going to do to us three years ago. We were mocked. We were dismissed. We were ignored. And we were right. One need only look at the frantic efforts of the so-called Justice Dept. To protect him and his family and to prevent the American public from knowing the full extent of the truth about the criminal that they put into office in 2020. Now we all suffer, and this is only the beginning. I understand the aversion to Trump but continuing to support and elect people who work very hard every day to make our lives miserable is beyond rational understanding at this point. Will the collapse of our country like a World Trade Center building on 9/11 finally be convincing enough, when it is too late? Unfortunately, yes, that is what it will take, when it is too late, and it is too late now.

[QUOTE=JadeEast69;6450800]All of Biden's policies are deliberate. What is happening now is no accident regardless of what the hate Trump howlers blather on about. Many of us warned many of those on this site about him and his monsters and what they were going to do to us three years ago. We were mocked. We were dismissed. We were ignored. And we were right. One need only look at the frantic efforts of the so-called Justice Dept. To protect him and his family and to prevent the American public from knowing the full extent of the truth about the criminal that they put into office in 2020. Now we all suffer, and this is only the beginning. I understand the aversion to Trump but continuing to support and elect people who work very hard every day to make our lives miserable is beyond rational understanding at this point. Will the collapse of our country like a World Trade Center building on 9/11 finally be convincing enough, when it is too late? Unfortunately, yes, that is what it will take, when it is too late, and it is too late now.[/QUOTE]After all that's been revealed about Trump (that of course was obvious in 2016) I find it astonishing that there are still people who can't see, or refuse to admit, what a fool traitor he is. How many people have to go to jail, lose their law license, or pay a billion dollar fine before the gullible will admit their mistake?

[QUOTE=Surch2020;6453537]After all that's been revealed about Trump (that of course was obvious in 2016) I find it astonishing that there are still people who can't see, or refuse to admit, what a fool traitor he is. How many people have to go to jail, lose their law license, or pay a billion dollar fine before the gullible will admit their mistake?[/QUOTE]And Joe Biden is Abraham Lincoln? Not going to argue with your type anymore. Believe what you must while your country is dissolved right in front of you. MAGA is all your type knows, sees, hears, and breathes. Sad and pathetic. Talk about refusing to admit a mistake? When you point that MAGA finger at people you've got three more pointing right back at you. Unfortunately that point is completely lost on someone who has been so media and Joe Biden brainwashed that he can't see the real forest for the trees. Good luck out there.

The Durham report shows that the whole Russia Collusion was a hoax. The FBI whistle-blowers are showing just what a rascal Biden is. The whole Twitter reveals shows how Biden's team covered up the whole Hunter Laptop cover-up to help tip the scales of the 2020 elections. So, really? Besides, only an anti-American would not want to Make America Great Again.

[QUOTE=Surch2020;6453537]After all that's been revealed about Trump (that of course was obvious in 2016) I find it astonishing that there are still people who can't see, or refuse to admit, what a fool traitor he is. How many people have to go to jail, lose their law license, or pay a billion dollar fine before the gullible will admit their mistake?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;6453824]The Durham report shows that the whole Russia Collusion was a hoax. The FBI whistle-blowers are showing just what a rascal Biden is. The whole Twitter reveals shows how Biden's team covered up the whole Hunter Laptop cover-up to help tip the scales of the 2020 elections. So, really? Besides, only an anti-American would not want to Make America Great Again.[/QUOTE]The Durham report was a big nothing burger. It didn't show any of that. Didn't your orange messiah make America Great last time he abused the office, or did he spend that fiur years whining about how he want treated fairly (like the overgrown toddler he is)?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;6453824]The Durham report shows that the whole Russia Collusion was a hoax. The FBI whistle-blowers are showing just what a rascal Biden is. The whole Twitter reveals shows how Biden's team covered up the whole Hunter Laptop cover-up to help tip the scales of the 2020 elections. So, really? Besides, only an anti-American would not want to Make America Great Again.[/QUOTE]It's a waste of time to talk to people like Surch, Sarge. He is consumed by MAGA-ism. He cuddles up with it every night and he will never let go of it. Lot's of him out there. We must move on from them. When the country finally is gone they will still blame Trump because it makes them feel so good about themselves. They are angry, snarling, and vicious. They enjoy that. Let's let them enjoy their derangement and move on from them.

You see the Durham report as a nothing burger because you don't want to admit that the entire Demon Cratic legislature and the majority of the media were persecuting him for something Hillary's camp cooked up. He was making America great again, we had energy independence, a more secure border, and the lowest unemployment rate among the minorities, and a president not afraid to engage with reporters. Sleepy Joe does virtually nothing before 10 AM or after 4 PM, he won't engage reporters without his cheat cards showing their pix, name, the question and the talking points he is supposed to push.

[QUOTE=Surch2020;6453961]The Durham report was a big nothing burger. It didn't show any of that. Didn't your orange messiah make America Great last time he abused the office, or did he spend that fiur years whining about how he want treated fairly (like the overgrown toddler he is)?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;6454176]You see the Durham report as a nothing burger because you don't want to admit that the entire Demon Cratic legislature and the majority of the media were persecuting him for something Hillary's camp cooked up. He was making America great again, we had energy independence, a more secure border, and the lowest unemployment rate among the minorities, and a president not afraid to engage with reporters. Sleepy Joe does virtually nothing before 10 AM or after 4 PM, he won't engage reporters without his cheat cards showing their pix, name, the question and the talking points he is supposed to push.[/QUOTE]Where else can you get a job and after 8 years retire with 3/4 pay and full medical for life? Or that innocent stock / company tip yo hear at a gathering that boosts your portfolio and gets you arrested, but legal for them? Or the number of them that consistently (knowingly) write bad checks with no repercussions (house bank is private entity)? Where else can you come in a pauper and leave a millionaire?

The rhino former leader of the senate wife's family (Chinese) controls the largest shipping company in China and owns several major ports on the west coast and worldwide, but there was never any conflict of interest. Jan. 6 should've been a wakeup, but instead they reacted in dictatorial fashion. They have gone so far as to obtain a list of all people flying in and out of DC that week, and when they fly place an air marshal next to them to try and incriminate themselves (friend in airline talking to a air marshal), (trying to confirm). The founding fathers never meant or dreamed that it would become a profession. Why? They all had businesses and farms to run. They got together, did what needed to be done and went home. Maybe we need to get back to that, or better yet, make it not so lucrative to be a federal politician. One can always hope.

[QUOTE=AvgJhsn;6455104]Where else can you get a job and after 8 years retire with 3/4 pay and full medical for life? Or that innocent stock / company tip yo hear at a gathering that boosts your portfolio and gets you arrested, but legal for them? Or the number of them that consistently (knowingly) write bad checks with no repercussions (house bank is private entity)? Where else can you come in a pauper and leave a millionaire?

The rhino former leader of the senate wife's family (Chinese) controls the largest shipping company in China and owns several major ports on the west coast and worldwide, but there was never any conflict of interest. Jan. 6 should've been a wakeup, but instead they reacted in dictatorial fashion. They have gone so far as to obtain a list of all people flying in and out of DC that week, and when they fly place an air marshal next to them to try and incriminate themselves (friend in airline talking to a air marshal), (trying to confirm). The founding fathers never meant or dreamed that it would become a profession. Why? They all had businesses and farms to run. They got together, did what needed to be done and went home. Maybe we need to get back to that, or better yet, make it not so lucrative to be a federal politician. One can always hope.[/QUOTE]Very, very well said. Unfortunately the Trump hater loons blather on about Trump while the real criminals in both parties laugh at them as it distracts the loons from the real truth. That rhino leader's wife's family gave them a 40 million dollar "gift" about 20 or 25 years ago. He's just as compromised to the Chinese as Biden is. You are so right, though. The founding fathers did not intend for this to happen but it did, human nature being what it is. But, it's Trump Trump Trump Trump to the loons while the Biden's and the Pelosi's and the McConnel's laugh all the way to the bank. Yes, we need to get back to how they used to do it back in the founding fathers' day. Will we? Of course not. The trough is too big and the money to be made is too much to pass up. Thanks for your post.

The ONLY elected official in Washington with a guaranteed pension is the President who gets 50%. The rest pay into a retirement fund and it depends on years served, age at drawing, and amount paid in. The days of automatic pension without with Dan Rostenkowski. I have done the research. As far as insider info, The DemonCrats are the worst at that game. Look at Nancy Pelosi.

[QUOTE=AvgJhsn;6455104]Where else can you get a job and after 8 years retire with 3/4 pay and full medical for life? Or that innocent stock / company tip yo hear at a gathering that boosts your portfolio and gets you arrested, but legal for them? Or the number of them that consistently (knowingly) write bad checks with no repercussions (house bank is private entity)? Where else can you come in a pauper and leave a millionaire?

The rhino former leader of the senate wife's family (Chinese) controls the largest shipping company in China and owns several major ports on the west coast and worldwide, but there was never any conflict of interest. Jan. 6 should've been a wakeup, but instead they reacted in dictatorial fashion. They have gone so far as to obtain a list of all people flying in and out of DC that week, and when they fly place an air marshal next to them to try and incriminate themselves (friend in airline talking to a air marshal), (trying to confirm). The founding fathers never meant or dreamed that it would become a profession. Why? They all had businesses and farms to run. They got together, did what needed to be done and went home. Maybe we need to get back to that, or better yet, make it not so lucrative to be a federal politician. One can always hope.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JadeEast69;6453997]It's a waste of time to talk to people like Surch, Sarge. He is consumed by MAGA-ism. He cuddles up with it every night and he will never let go of it. Lot's of him out there. We must move on from them. When the country finally is gone they will still blame Trump because it makes them feel so good about themselves. They are angry, snarling, and vicious. They enjoy that. Let's let them enjoy their derangement and move on from them.[/QUOTE]Maybe we are disgusted to know that after Traitor Don tried to use a sycophant Republican Party to overthrow the elected government of the United States to the point of trying to hang his own vice president and a bunch of trailer park trash idiots who worship him just can't seem to stop licking his ass.