I know I may be way off base on this one. The crackdown has really started when that guy went to the LE and said he was sexually assulated at NMS. It seems to me when all this has really started I maybe wrong but just adding my 2 cents.
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I know I may be way off base on this one. The crackdown has really started when that guy went to the LE and said he was sexually assulated at NMS. It seems to me when all this has really started I maybe wrong but just adding my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Momo2;1537318]The parking lot was full on both sides of the building. I decided to come back another time. I noticed the 6 ft fence around the parking lot. Not sure what thats for as there was no gate. I always hit the curb when I try to pull in. I never saw the parking lot that full.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen the gate, but it could be to inhibit surveillance. NMS has the lattace as a screen since it moved.
Did you guys read the article in today's Prov Journal about them closing 13 of 15 spas in Prov. Supposedly this was an ongoing investigation after they stopped a courier with 50 grand in cash from One. Well whatever. I don't know about you but I really feel safe in Providence with all those 90-100 lb Koreans gone. I may ever stop carrying now (legally). Not
[QUOTE=MuffyTheDiver; 1536920]I agree to a point. I have always tried to keep my post a bit vague in details and never talk about the private part of my meetings. I have decided moving forward that I will not post anymore info regarding services or what I did as we all know what goes on. I think LE does watch this forum along with other sites but they already know whats going on in these AMPs. They don't need us to tell them. I am positive that there are a few LE who are customers also. This appears to be pressure from above LE as I know its happening all up and down the North East. The Mamasan I know says Conn and Manhattan has gone through very similar pressures. These things happen every so often, especially around elections time. Hopefully things will start to get back to normal in the next few weeks.
I'm keeping all my more private info in PM only with very well known seniors from here on out! Sorry but thats the way its got to be!
Muffy[/QUOTE]I don't think they are just reading these types of forums to gather leads on criminal behavior, I think this could be used to intimidate someone to talk. It's unlikely that these posts could be used as direct evidence in court as it is hear-say. However, maybe someone gets busted and denies everything and the cops show them a bunch of posts and say "We know what goes on here. We've got you. Come clean and stay out of jail." If nothing else, it may provide more info they can use to bump up charges. Maybe this info is enough to get a warrant.
It's interesting to note that when you join another site, you agree that everything you post fictitious. There's probably a very good legal reason for that.
[QUOTE=Sr Diablito; 1537915]I understand that the police can sting a masseuse by offering money for sex, but I don't understand how they can arrest a customer for going for a massage. I know there have been no arrests of consumers in RI, but there apparently have been in other states.
If we have a cop, lawyer or judge on our forum, would you enlighten us please.[/QUOTE]Well I was in an AMP in another state when it got raided. That sucked. I'm naked on a table, just after a HE and the doorbell rings. Someone opened the door and it was just the sound of boots. Everyone was in black, with helmets, lights, and full gear. I didn't see any weapons drawn. They are definitely searching for possible criminal activity, and I think they would have busted me if I would have said the wrong thing. (e. G. If I would have said,"Yes, officer. I saw the box of condoms under the table," or something similar that could have shown intent.) They just remained silent. You're picture may be taken as evidence, even if you are not arrested. There's a lot of details to the story, but don't want to give them in a public venue.
Stay safe. Stay aware.
Mr. Ape, Sophia has my number and I'm sure many other good "$$" loyal patrons of her mp. She called me a week before the raids and then again prior to their exit.
I was there when most thought that it was closed. So prove me wrong or zip your banana eating lips. Yes they will return after the coast is clear. I'm sure it will be a different.
Arrangement also. Daddy OUT!
[QUOTE=Yardape08; 1536301]Not true.
The girls left first with both Mamasan and the Kitchen Mama staying behind for a couple of days. After hearing the news about the other spas the girls were too scared to stay.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bh USA;1539254]I know I may be way off base on this one. The crackdown has really started when that guy went to the LE and said he was sexually assulated at NMS. It seems to me when all this has really started I maybe wrong but just adding my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Considering the comments that neither the governor, nor the mayor are up for election and the timing, this is as good a guess as any. Does anyone know if this is going to court? I did a federal docket search for this case. None showed up.
For the past two (2) years, Heavenly Hands (HH) was the place for me. They had four (4) girls, they knew me, I was treated like a king there from all four. I went every week, so, I was a good customer. Two showers one before and one after plus two happy endings as well. Never had reason to go elsewhere.
I was treated great. Now HH closed, never to reopen. I am in contact with my friends as I have all their cell numbers. They are not coming back. Two weeks age on Aug 30th at 8:00 PM. Black pick up there there throwing stuff away.
On 8/23 went to NMS. It was ok. Nothing special. Left satisfied. Next week. On August 30th, went to Wanskuck. They have one boy and one girl. (She said some guys like a hard rub, ok = whatever, not me and. Each to their own). She said come now, business very very slow. I went right over ther and had girl and not bad left happy. Tried this week, Wanskunk, on Thursday September 6th, at 10:15PM. They were closed all lights off and a Providence Police Car parked right in front of door. I could not believe it.
Called Far East. I had ot get their new number from information, & mama said we closing at 11:00 too late. Went to Harmony and had Suzy. Terrible got a happy but shorted 25 minutes and lousy bad rub. Will not return.
Things are indeed very bad for us mongers.
[QUOTE=Knight62;1539471]Did you guys read the article in today's Prov Journal about them closing 13 of 15 spas in Prov. Supposedly this was an ongoing investigation after they stopped a courier with 50 grand in cash from One. Well whatever. I don't know about you but I really feel safe in Providence with all those 90-100 lb Koreans gone. I may ever stop carrying now (legally). Not[/QUOTE]I looked all over the place and can`t find any thing on this. You sure it was today!
[QUOTE=A N I M A L;1539576]I looked all over the place and can`t find any thing on this. You sure it was today![/QUOTE]I tried too but the website limits your access. You may be able to find it tomorrow or a week from now or not at all. Paying a buck for that paper is something I cannot bring myself to do.
[QUOTE=A N I M A L;1539576]I looked all over the place and can`t find any thing on this. You sure it was today![/QUOTE]Animal the article was on the second page A2, top left hand corner. Even my SO saw it.
[QUOTE=Muff Daddy; 1539488]Mr. Ape, Sophia has my number and I'm sure many other good "$$" loyal patrons of her mp. She called me a week before the raids and then again prior to their exit.
I was there when most thought that it was closed. So prove me wrong or zip your banana eating lips. Yes they will return after the coast is clear. I'm sure it will be a different.
Arrangement also. Daddy OUT![/QUOTE]This has nothing to do with YA's post. I have been in contact with Sophia also and got the same story as YA. So the bottom line is you are saying that she is that she has lied to us. It is your word against her's, not your word against YA. I have been a regular here for 3 years two times a week so why would Sophia lie to me and not accept my business? Remember Muff daddy you are the unknown part of this equation.
http://www.yuvutu.com/index.php?name=Video&op=view&video_id=8807
I wore a rubber though. Not like this fool.
[QUOTE=Muff Daddy; 1539488]Mr. Ape, Sophia has my number and I'm sure many other good "$$" loyal patrons of her mp. She called me a week before the raids and then again prior to their exit.
I was there when most thought that it was closed. So prove me wrong or zip your banana eating lips. Yes they will return after the coast is clear. I'm sure it will be a different.
Arrangement also. Daddy OUT![/QUOTE] You posted on 9/1/12 that they never closed and were UTR. I am simply stating that the girls had already returned to NY by then and that the spa was indeed closed. You were giving everyone the impression that they never closed at all.
[QUOTE=LivnLifeVIP; 1539476]I don't think they are just reading these types of forums to gather leads on criminal behavior, I think this could be used to intimidate someone to talk. It's unlikely that these posts could be used as direct evidence in court as it is hear-say. However, maybe someone gets busted and denies everything and the cops show them a bunch of posts and say "We know what goes on here. We've got you. Come clean and stay out of jail." If nothing else, it may provide more info they can use to bump up charges. Maybe this info is enough to get a warrant.
It's interesting to note that when you join another site, you agree that everything you post fictitious. There's probably a very good legal reason for that.[/QUOTE]So long as a place is licensed and you aren't caught in any sex act, you were there for a legit massage, and that's all. By the way, for those of you who own a smartphone, they have a voice record feature. If LE ever raids a joint and you pulled for questioning first thing I would do is grab my iPhone and discreetly hit the record button. Record anything they say, it may be the one thing that helps save your hide.
I think I should mention an episode regarding LE, lest we all become too relaxed, and think that all we have to do is sit tight and wait for the dust to settle. LE is active, and working hard to close all of the AMPs; just as the captain of the police force said that he would do.
Had occasion to visit my favorite, NMS the other night. Been going there a long time. I'm fairly friendly with the papasan.
Seems LE paid a visit during the day last week, and went nuts-o. Wanted to see all the customers and girls' I'd's. Harassed everyone verbally. Really was abusive; and most likely everything he did lies within the grey area of the law. And, or course, he knows who ya going to complain to?
As a result, most of the girls have left.
A friend reports the same goings-on at Lily's as well. LE has a paradox: neither AMP is full-service, and they know that; so existing prostitution laws can't be applied. The plan of attack seems to be harassment; and just as nasty as they can make it.
My opinion is that we need to support these two places more than ever, as loyal customers; being unafraid of the big snarling dog with the thunderous bark. If we don't support them, the captain will get his way, and we will lose another avenue of escape from the daily stress we seek to alleviate from time to time.
[QUOTE=Knight62;1539471]Did you guys read the article in today's Prov Journal about them closing 13 of 15 spas in Prov. Supposedly this was an ongoing investigation after they stopped a courier with 50 grand in cash from One. Well whatever. I don't know about you but I really feel safe in Providence with all those 90-100 lb Koreans gone. I may ever stop carrying now (legally). Not[/QUOTE]Well that explains why OS closed back in May.
[QUOTE=Rei Haragoma; 1540121]I think I should mention an episode regarding LE, lest we all become too relaxed, and think that all we have to do is sit tight and wait for the dust to settle. LE is active, and working hard to close all of the AMPs; just as the captain of the police force said that he would do.
Had occasion to visit my favorite, NMS the other night. Been going there a long time. I'm fairly friendly with the papasan.
Seems LE paid a visit during the day last week, and went nuts-o. Wanted to see all the customers and girls' I'd's. Harassed everyone verbally. Really was abusive; and most likely everything he did lies within the grey area of the law. And, or course, he knows who ya going to complain to?
As a result, most of the girls have left.
A friend reports the same goings-on at Lily's as well. LE has a paradox: neither AMP is full-service, and they know that; so existing prostitution laws can't be applied. The plan of attack seems to be harassment; and just as nasty as they can make it.
My opinion is that we need to support these two places more than ever, as loyal customers; being unafraid of the big snarling dog with the thunderous bark. If we don't support them, the captain will get his way, and we will lose another avenue of escape from the daily stress we seek to alleviate from time to time.[/QUOTE]I did not know that RI relocated to communist China. Since when can LE just bust into a place of business without probable cause? Massage is not illegal. Wonder which office the chief is running for in Nov.
[QUOTE=Newday53;1540372]I did not know that RI relocated to communist China. Since when can LE just bust into a place of business without probable cause? Massage is not illegal. Wonder which office the chief is running for in Nov.[/QUOTE]Funny you should say "massage". I called DT a few days ago along with a couple of other places just to see if they were open. I asked the girl who answered the phone at DT "how much for your massage?" even though I know the answer, but have no money to go. Anyway the girl said "massage? We don't do that here". I was dumbstruck for a second there, so then I asked "do you do body rubs?" which she said they did and what the price would be. This was the big issue years ago when they were cracking down. In RI you need a license to do massage but not body-rubs. So any place offer massages or implying massage without a license I guess would be subject to LE harassment and or fines. Just my opinion though.
[QUOTE=Newday53;1540372]I did not know that RI relocated to communist China. Since when can LE just bust into a place of business without probable cause? Massage is not illegal. Wonder which office the chief is running for in Nov.[/QUOTE]You're talking about a spa that advertises in the adult classified section of the Providence Phoenix as well as the "adult" escort listings of Backpage. Sounds like probable cause to me. I've been jonesing for some Asian persuasion but right now it's not worth the chance. Don't confuse being ARRESTED with being CHARGED. A police officer doesn't need evidence to arrest someone, they need evidence for someone to be charged and convicted in a court of law. If a police officer has probable cause, you can be arrested. If there is a place where they have probable cause of illegal activities, like an AMP or crack house and they obtain a warrant for a raid, anyone in that place at the time of the raid can be arrested for suspicion of prostitution or suspicion of controlled substances. Just because they don't see you getting a HE doesn't prevent you from being cuffed and hauled away. You might not be convicted and you might actually walk out of court a free man, but you can still be arrested, with a chance of ending up in the Projo or evening news.
I believe the key phrase is "and they have a warrant" which it does not sound like they did. Furthermore, I could be wrong, but I believe NMS is licensed for massage and not body rubs.
If you think they had probable cause because they post in the adult section, why was no one arrested? If posting in the adult section is cause then everyone who walks into a strip club is subject to arrest as we all know what goes on in PVDs finest SC's. Speaking of which, there are more dangerous things going on in the strip clubs, why are they not being harrassed?
I think this is one zealot abusing the law because he can.
I still say, sad day for civil liberties.
ND
[QUOTE=Rei Haragoma; 1540121]I think I should mention an episode regarding LE, lest we all become too relaxed, and think that all we have to do is sit tight and wait for the dust to settle. LE is active, and working hard to close all of the AMPs; just as the captain of the police force said that he would do.
Had occasion to visit my favorite, NMS the other night. Been going there a long time. I'm fairly friendly with the papasan.
Seems LE paid a visit during the day last week, and went nuts-o. Wanted to see all the customers and girls' I'd's. Harassed everyone verbally. Really was abusive; and most likely everything he did lies within the grey area of the law. And, or course, he knows who ya going to complain to?
As a result, most of the girls have left.
A friend reports the same goings-on at Lily's as well. LE has a paradox: neither AMP is full-service, and they know that; so existing prostitution laws can't be applied. The plan of attack seems to be harassment; and just as nasty as they can make it.
My opinion is that we need to support these two places more than ever, as loyal customers; being unafraid of the big snarling dog with the thunderous bark. If we don't support them, the captain will get his way, and we will lose another avenue of escape from the daily stress we seek to alleviate from time to time.[/QUOTE]I was at Lily's last Tues and I was talking to mamasan (Venus) about what's going on and she said so far they haven't been bothered. I was told by one of the girls that two had left for NY. As for lily's and NMS I think you should be pretty safe since those girls never take any part of there clothes off. In all the times I've been there and with different girls I've never been asked what I want except what kind of pressure I wanted. A lot of legit massage therapists will let you go nude. Again the LE could make you nervous if they showed up. Even though they don't have a warrant. Sometimes they are under a lot of pressure from above and act like storm troopers. I agree about the SC's a lot more goes on there, all you have to do is sit an watch who goes where. I think the owners of these clubs have a lot more pull than the AMP's do.
Of course this is only my opinion.
[QUOTE=Knight62; 1540448]I was at Lily's last Tues and I was talking to mamasan (Venus) about what's going on and she said so far they haven't been bothered. I was told by one of the girls that two had left for NY. As for lily's and NMS I think you should be pretty safe since those girls never take any part of there clothes off. In all the times I've been there and with different girls I've never been asked what I want except what kind of pressure I wanted. A lot of legit massage therapists will let you go nude. Again the LE could make you nervous if they showed up. Even though they don't have a warrant. Sometimes they are under a lot of pressure from above and act like storm troopers. I agree about the SC's a lot more goes on there, all you have to do is sit an watch who goes where. I think the owners of these clubs have a lot more pull than the AMP's do.
Of course this is only my opinion.[/QUOTE]Your opinion is right!
Insofar as the SC's are concerned, before I wised up and realized how much $ I was wasting for FS (did not know about MP's in those days,) any club I went to offered FS. From posts I've read, most still do. I also agree with you that the owners have more clout than the owners of the AMP's. I think you'll find that the more prominent clubs are owned by some powerful people that have connections, and they have some influential clientele as well. As my dad used to say "it ain't what you know, but WHO you know."
[QUOTE=Newday53; 1540430]I believe the key phrase is "and they have a warrant" which it does not sound like they did. Furthermore, I could be wrong, but I believe NMS is licensed for massage and not body rubs.
If you think they had probable cause because they post in the adult section, why was no one arrested? If posting in the adult section is cause then everyone who walks into a strip club is subject to arrest as we all know what goes on in PVDs finest SC's. Speaking of which, there are more dangerous things going on in the strip clubs, why are they not being harrassed?
I think this is one zealot abusing the law because he can.
I still say, sad day for civil liberties.
ND[/QUOTE]You are correct. NMS Papasan told me some time ago their license is for massage. I could be wrong, but I never heard of any licensing authority anywhere issuing a license for "body rubs." Might not be a bad idea though. Let's partition our local licensing board to create this category. It's long overdue!
No warrant was shown.
I agree with you as well about more dangerous things going on in the SC's. It's the main reason I left, and began to utilize the AMP's. My only regret is that I did not know of the MP's first.
He must be a zealot, or internal pressure is on him as well. Even though he has a pretty good rank, there's always a general with more stars around.
As I mentioned before, the SC owners know more people in high places. For the time being. This may change!
[QUOTE=Tp1701;1540411]You're talking about a spa that advertises in the adult classified section of the Providence Phoenix as well as the "adult" escort listings of Backpage. Sounds like probable cause to me. I've been jonesing for some Asian persuasion but right now it's not worth the chance. Don't confuse being ARRESTED with being CHARGED. A police officer doesn't need evidence to arrest someone, they need evidence for someone to be charged and convicted in a court of law. If a police officer has probable cause, you can be arrested. If there is a place where they have probable cause of illegal activities, like an AMP or crack house and they obtain a warrant for a raid, anyone in that place at the time of the raid can be arrested for suspicion of prostitution or suspicion of controlled substances. Just because they don't see you getting a HE doesn't prevent you from being cuffed and hauled away. You might not be convicted and you might actually walk out of court a free man, but you can still be arrested, with a chance of ending up in the Projo or evening news.[/QUOTE]My bet is that you're not a lawyer, but maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express? Maybe a trip to a good legal dictionary for the meaning of the term "false arrest" and the criminal and civil ramifications of it might be worthwhile.
As others here have suggested if you're in a place that gets raided keep your mouth shut IOT protect your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights. About 20 years ago I was in a Southern California AMP when a raid went down and the only thing I said was that I wasn't going to say anything without legal representation. LE seemed both pissed and flustered by this, but let me go saying they couldn't detain and question me without probable cause.
[QUOTE=Yellowfever023;1539984]This has nothing to do with YA's post. I have been in contact with Sophia also and got the same story as YA. So the bottom line is you are saying that she is that she has lied to us. It is your word against her's, not your word against YA. I have been a regular here for 3 years two times a week so why would Sophia lie to me and not accept my business? Remember Muff daddy you are the unknown part of this equation.[/QUOTE]Dude. I don't know what you are trying to say. Call up Sophia and tell her about your customer loyalty issues. I've got Sherlock Ape and You hawking me now. Sometimes small favors are asked and that's nobody's business especially yours. So myob, You and the Ape man. I'm done with the Abbott and Costello interrogation.
I agree! We need to support these 2 Spa`s. Don`t forget no one is above the law. If the police act in a criminal manner there are many places to go to report them. One is the I A office with the PPD they are the watch dogs of the own. Also there is the RISP they watch all departments. That`s just to name a few. There is nothing wrong with going into a licenced business. So keep the faith and lets get through this. If we stick together and support these spa`s the LE will eventually go away. How many times are they going to have to go to a review board to allocate money to this. Not much longer. We just have to wait them out. Record any thing by LE for evidence. I think we have a larger group on people then they have. I for one am not going away quietly. Keep the post comming with any Idea`s or info.
As always Stay Safe.
Print this out and keep in your wallet. It might be handy for all occasions.
I refuse to consent to any search of my premises, the location of my arrest, my car or effects. I wish to exercise my rights under the 4th. 5th and 6th Amendments to remain silent and to have my attorney present during any questioning or line up. If you ignore my exercise of these rights and attempt to procure a wavier, I wish to confer with my attorney prior to any conversation with law enforcement agents on the subject of waiver.
Gentlemen, and fellow mongers. I have a bit of a different take on what's been happening here in regards to the spas. The goal of those involved is the same, (to close the spas) but there are different methods to effect that. If you have the time or inclination, I would have you read this article,
[url]http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/warren_fights_image_of_massage.html[/url] And the Warren Ohio threads on this forum.
Up until the raids by the Warren Police Dept. And the Ohio Bureau of Investigations and the attorney general of that state around June 1 of this year, Warren was AMP Heaven, to say the least. Now they are all gone, with regards to extras. They were able to do it by getting camera footage of customers entering and leaving, tracking them down by license plates, and getting them to sing by calling them at home or work, and getting them to give affadavits which were used as evidence in court to get the establishments closed as a public nuisance. They even got an attorney, who should have known better, to sing by their tactics, which was to keep calling their homes and businesses until they gave it up.
The raids were highly publicized on TV and the print media, and a list of names and addresses of the men who cooperated were published, but the mongers were given immunity and were not charged. They also gave the owners and providers time to leave the area, by not actually arresting them all at the time of the raid, but saying the investigation was continuing. They were more interested in getting TV footage of the mayor, police chief and others actually boarding up the spas.
My point is that it looks like here, they are not even that interested in doing a big raid, but going around and telling them to shut down, and giving them a chance to get out of town without being charged. I don't think this is anything to do with election year politics, but there is some pressure coming down from somewhere, and the AMPs are being given an opportunity to quietly leave without a lot of publicity, and without a lot of arrests, if the spas comply.
[QUOTE=Muff Daddy;1540541]Dude. I don't know what you are trying to say. Call up Sophia and tell her about your customer loyalty issues. I've got Sherlock Ape and You hawking me now. Sometimes small favors are asked and that's nobody's business especially yours. So myob, You and the Ape man. I'm done with the Abbott and Costello interrogation.[/QUOTE]You made a post that was BS and you got called on it, bottom line! I imagine that you are well under 6 feet tall it sounds to me that you have little man's disease. You call people names etc. I read thru your 21 posts and there is not a lot of substance in any of them. Napoleonic complexes are very common and any decent therapist can treat it within 8 to 12 months.
Good luck!
Fever
Just a quick note, keep in mind that the Spa owners and the Mamasans are reading this forum along with other forms of media. The report on the "storm troopers" while possibly intended good info and helpful will work against the Spa's returning! Just what LE wants. Bottom line is that the fear outweighs any action from LE. The more we "speculate" and report on whats going on the more we close the door to the Spa's.
[QUOTE=MuffyTheDiver;1540716]Just a quick note, keep in mind that the Spa owners and the Mamasans are reading this forum along with other forms of media. The report on the "storm troopers" while possibly intended good info and helpful will work against the Spa's returning! Just what LE wants. Bottom line is that the fear outweighs any action from LE. The more we "speculate" and report on whats going on the more we close the door to the Spa's.[/QUOTE]I hold heartly agree with Muff, if we start this Bs about what could and couldn't happen we will never get back our lovely ladies. We all acting like a gagle of old hen, STFu and only post should be on the type of service we get from what spa. We don't need to know every frigging sec of what went on in the room (if you need to know pm that person). This is a battle against us and the Harassment Leo has put on our favorite places.
I know I'll piss some of you off, but in the end are you going to give me happy ending (well I hope not).
[QUOTE=TapThePie;1540943]I know I'll piss some of you off, but in the end are you going to give me happy ending (well I hope not).[/QUOTE]That would definitly make for an awkward fest to be sure.
This situation was bound to happen sooner or later. You must make backup plans. I was in DC when LE swooped in and shut 7 places down in the mid 00s.
Some girls were taken in and deported also in Ct. I had numbers of few girls and would find out where they went, usually home or to Manhattan NJ or Philly. If these places do open again they won't be serving up the same menus I'm sure. If they do they won't be around much longer. If Dick Tracy wants them shut they will be whether you rant or not. It's part of life so get over it.
Had a dream that there still were some spa's open other then the HJ shacks. If you don't know what I'm talking about feel free to PM. But you got to be known and trusted! BTW. They not in LaProv.
Muffy
With the current LEO action, things are getting tough. Too bad LEO can't keep busy cracking down on gay bars / clubs. Talk about den of inequity. Maybe that's the answer, reopen spas and call them "Gay Rubs" and no one will bother them. Got to be politically correct you know.
Last night on my way to a friends place around 10:20 pm I drove by ABC around. There were no cars in the parking lot but the ABC spa neon sign was on, are they open again?
[QUOTE=SMS 54; 1540663]Gentlemen, and fellow mongers. I have a bit of a different take on what's been happening here in regards to the spas. The goal of those involved is the same, (to close the spas) but there are different methods to effect that. If you have the time or inclination, I would have you read this article,
[url]http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/warren_fights_image_of_massage.html[/url]
And the Warren Ohio threads on this forum.
Up until the raids by the Warren Police Dept. And the Ohio Bureau of Investigations and the attorney general of that state around June 1 of this year, Warren was AMP Heaven, to say the least. Now they are all gone, with regards to extras. They were able to do it by getting camera footage of customers entering and leaving, tracking them down by license plates, and getting them to sing by calling them at home or work, and getting them to give affadavits which were used as evidence in court to get the establishments closed as a public nuisance. They even got an attorney, who should have known better, to sing by their tactics, which was to keep calling their homes and businesses until they gave it up.
The raids were highly publicized on TV and the print media, and a list of names and addresses of the men who cooperated were published, but the mongers were given immunity and were not charged. They also gave the owners and providers time to leave the area, by not actually arresting them all at the time of the raid, but saying the investigation was continuing. They were more interested in getting TV footage of the mayor, police chief and others actually boarding up the spas.
My point is that it looks like here, they are not even that interested in doing a big raid, but going around and telling them to shut down, and giving them a chance to get out of town without being charged. I don't think this is anything to do with election year politics, but there is some pressure coming down from somewhere, and the AMPs are being given an opportunity to quietly leave without a lot of publicity, and without a lot of arrests, if the spas comply.[/QUOTE]Over 3 months have passed with still no charges have been filed about the allegations of human trafficking, money laundering, drugs, racketeering and prostitution but they are all boarded up and gone forever. This could be a national way of putting them out of business. We didn't call it AMP Heaven for the hell of it, whatever you wanted was available. Good Luck and Happy Mongering.
[QUOTE=Pussyhunter69;1541937]Last night on my way to a friends place around 10:20 pm I drove by ABC around. There were no cars in the parking lot but the ABC spa neon sign was on, are they open again?[/QUOTE]One way to find out is to drive in to the parking lot, park, walk up to the door, ring the buzzer and see what happens.
[QUOTE=Pussyhunter69;1541937]Last night on my way to a friends place around 10:20 pm I drove by ABC around. There were no cars in the parking lot but the ABC spa neon sign was on, are they open again?[/QUOTE]AFAIK the signed remained on all the time. Yesterday, I had a glimmer of hope when I say the lights on inside and a car (MA plate) parked outside. I called them no one answered. Maybe it was the owners.