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[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;5196179]Be upfront and honest about what you want. Hide the profiles of girls that are unattractive or don't fit what you want. It takes some time and effort to filter out the scams, fake profiles, and overpriced girls but I have found a few gems who are attracted to me and we agree to terms quickly.[/QUOTE]All I say Doc is that You Got Game! Merry Mongering.
[QUOTE=NoswtTea;5191879]Anyone using SDM? The app sucks compared to SA, and it always shows people out of state, but I've had much better luck recently. Less scams / deposits / online only stuff.[/QUOTE]I used it for about a year, and had great success. Bagged about 6 chicks off there and still hitting one on occasion. Got busy with this whole pandemic (work in Healthcare), and haven't had the time to play as much.
Skywalker.
Man the scammers be out there in full force but it is easy to identify if you are asking them the right questions.
I hope none of you are clueless fools like this guy. Because you can buy them all the expensive gifts, vacation resort trips, dinners, allowances and at the end of the day they will still choose to spend your money with the guy who getting it all and more for the free because that's who makes her wet.
[URL]https://youtu.be/WZKKBZqKHZg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ktnv.com/news/kelsey-turners-case-wont-go-to-trial-until-next-year[/URL]
[QUOTE=DeterF;5195149]If you find a gem on SA, and she is really is great, you could be in for a serious amount of fun in a lot of ways. I treated these women no differently than I would a date under a "normal" scenario. I chose women who really needed help; who were really striving to succeed and had goals; who weren't looking for Gucci bags, but really to have support for their goals, and have a chance to do something special.
Not sure people think about how much certain women really appreciate this; you can literally help them advance their lives. Believe me, they'll never forget you. I like to help people, and sure it was certainly for me to have that fun, but I wanted to leave these women seeing how they should be respected, appreciated and supported. They would have all done it without me, I am sure; I feel so much satisfaction that there three women have succeeded.[/QUOTE]You sound a lot like me, we take the exact same approach to arrangements. Here's a link to a post I made in the Richmond SB thread about a 4 year relationship I had with a girl I met on SA:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4307822&viewfull=1#post4307822[/URL]
A lot of the guys approach the girls on SA like they would any escort or UTR (that is, paying to get laid with zero strings attached). While that's certainly a valid approach, I prefer longer term arrangements that are pretty much indistinguishable from traditional dating. There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends. I've had 3 long term arrangements since 2012. I'm still good friends with all 3 of them. The last one, the girl I was with for 4 years, she really was something special. Almost too good to be true. My experience was exactly like yours in that she was by far the best relationship of my life. We were 20 years apart but I've never been with anyone who was a more perfect fit and it's not even close. Toward the end we did talk about the possibility of staying together. But ultimately she decided she wanted to settle down with someone closer to her own age, and that was definitely the right choice for her (I am married). We shared a lot of great experiences together and we were a big part of each other's lives for quite a while. It was exactly what we both needed at the time. I'm certain she and I will be close for life.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5198246]I hope none of you are clueless fools like this guy. Because you can buy them all the expensive gifts, vacation resort trips, dinners, allowances and at the end of the day they will still choose to spend your money with the guy who getting it all and more for the free because that's who makes her wet.
[URL]https://youtu.be/WZKKBZqKHZg[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ktnv.com/news/kelsey-turners-case-wont-go-to-trial-until-next-year[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL take it easy on them. I used to put a lot of energy into chastising simps and gullible guys, but they have a place and a purpose.
Plenty of get taken advantage of, and many of these SB arrangements are not exclusive.
I can't imaging taking care of all a woman needs, only for her to sleep with other men on the side. But it is what it is.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5198787]You sound a lot like me, we take the exact same approach to arrangements. Here's a link to a post I made in the Richmond SB thread about a 4 year relationship I had with a girl I met on SA:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4307822&viewfull=1#post4307822[/URL]
A lot of the guys approach the girls on SA like they would any escort or UTR (that is, paying to get laid with zero strings attached). While that's certainly a valid approach, I prefer longer term arrangements that are pretty much indistinguishable from traditional dating. There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends. I've had 3 long term arrangements since 2012. I'm still good friends with all 3 of them. The last one, the girl I was with for 4 years, she really was something special. Almost too good to be true. My experience was exactly like yours in that she was by far the best relationship of my life. We were 20 years apart but I've never been with anyone who was a more perfect fit and it's not even close. Toward the end we did talk about the possibility of staying together. But ultimately she decided she wanted to settle down with someone closer to her own age, and that was definitely the right choice for her (I am married). We shared a lot of great experiences together and we were a big part of each other's lives for quite a while. It was exactly what we both needed at the time. I'm certain she and I will be close for life.[/QUOTE]4 years of treating her like a queen and at the end of the day you were too old for her. You weren't too old for her to be spending your money though. At least you had 4 good years though so I guess that's a good investment if it made you happy. I just can't personally wrap my head around treating a woman like a girlfriend when I'm paying her. That's always been my issue. When things start from an economic standpoint everything else just seems fake no matter how good it might seem at the time. Even in regular dating. You want to know how much a woman likes you. If she's spending her hard earned money on you unprovoked especially when you didn't start the encounter with spending money on her then you'll know she truly likes you. Maybe you found great matches but I'm sure more often than not, then men that take your approach aren't as successful. They just get taken advantage of. Like the guy in the video I posted. Now if he wasn't throwing his money at that heifer he would probably still be alive.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5199435]4 years of treating her like a queen and at the end of the day you were too old for her. You weren't too old for her to be spending your money though.[/QUOTE]Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:
She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5199435]I just can't personally wrap my head around treating a woman like a girlfriend when I'm paying her.[/QUOTE]I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.
With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:
[QUOTE=Joydrop]We had incredible chemistry and an amazing connection right from the beginning. It was the type of effortless first date we all dream of, everything just fell into place and it just got better from there. The first year or so we kept everything very simple, casual and fun. I remember thinking how impressed I was that she didn't lose her perspective, we were exclusive to each other but she didn't get too emotionally attached. She honestly had a very mature outlook on it all. We both knew our relationship was never going to have a happy ending, but we were both happy and content to enjoy the ride as long as it lasted. She was an absolute go-getter, she worked very hard and soaked up the advice and guidance I gave her like a sponge. I taught her how to budget, I helped her pay off her credit card debt, I helped her with academic decisions and school projects, I helped her put herself in position for promotions at work and advance her career. All of which I found very rewarding, and she was always very good about expressing her appreciation of my efforts in ways that were very meaningful to me. Now just because we didn't have an "arrangement" doesn't mean I didn't contribute funds, because I most certainly did when times were tough for her. But in the grand scheme of things, it really wasn't much.[/QUOTE]To put that spending in perspective, I paid her phone bill about 6 months in. She didn't want me to, but I insisted. After 3 years together I offered to help with her rent so she could get a place of her own, but it was a no brainer because it was less than I was spending on hotels every month. There were other things along the way of course, but in our entire time together, she never asked me for money even once. She *hated* the idea of asking me for money. She really was a unicorn.
As for being too old for her. Yes and no. We were never going to end up together and we were clear about that with each other from the beginning. Neither of us wanted that. As it turned out, at the end she did tell me if I was already divorced she would absolutely marry me. But at the time I had school age kids at home and there was no way I could ever be a part time dad. She always respected that, and I really appreciated that about her. She was truly the most level headed, drama free girl I've ever been involved with. There was also the issue of children, she wanted kids of her own one day and I'm past that phase of my life. So it was never going to happen. In looking back, it was a perfect "arrangement" in that we established boundaries for the relationship from the outset and we both got exactly what we wanted and needed within those boundaries. Given that we were able to walk away as good friends, both better and happier for the experience, I think it was a pretty damn good deal.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5200504]Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:
She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.
I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.
With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:
To put that spending in perspective, I paid her phone bill about 6 months in. She didn't want me to, but I insisted. After 3 years together I offered to help with her rent so she could get a place of her own, but it was a no brainer because it was less than I was spending on hotels every month. There were other things along the way of course, but in our entire time together, she never asked me for money even once. She *hated* the idea of asking me for money. She really was a unicorn.
As for being too old for her. Yes and no. We were never going to end up together and we were clear about that with each other from the beginning. Neither of us wanted that. As it turned out, at the end she did tell me if I was already divorced she would absolutely marry me. But at the time I had school age kids at home and there was no way I could ever be a part time dad. She always respected that, and I really appreciated that about her. She was truly the most level headed, drama free girl I've ever been involved with. There was also the issue of children, she wanted kids of her own one day and I'm past that phase of my life. So it was never going to happen. In looking back, it was a perfect "arrangement" in that we established boundaries for the relationship from the outset and we both got exactly what we wanted and needed within those boundaries. Given that we were able to walk away as good friends, both better and happier for the experience, I think it was a pretty damn good deal.[/QUOTE]I've met 5 women off the site to where the relationship didn't involve money. The first two were a 21 & 41 year old women who just wanted to date a guy who could afford to travel & take her out on the town, both lasted for about 6 months. The 21 year old just liked older guys. There was another 29 year MILF with two kids who I would probably still be with if she didn't have a lot of alcohol related issues, & the other was a bored housewife who wanted some dick as she was in a dead bedroom. She was a lot of fun & would come over at night, get dicked down then go home with my cum in her snatch. The last was this year & lasted for 6 months, I met a 27 year old grad student who was in a poly relationship. She was a complete freak in bed, we would literally fuck for 3 hours straight, I had to up my cardio for this chick. After about 2 months I just started referring to her as my girlfriend & she was completely fine with this.
If you go in looking for a relationship on the site you can find it pretty easy, there is a pretty women fantasy out there among quite a few of the girls. Dating a older guy who wines & dines them, buys them a few gifts is what they want in addition to sugar. I've also found these types of sugar relationships cost less than purely ppm. The current girl I have is a 24 year old college grad who I take shopping once a month & drop about $200 on outside of the sugar allowance, our ppm is $200. She comes to my house or meets me at a hotel for about 2 rounds of bareback sex weekly.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5200504]Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:
She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.
I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.
With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:.[/QUOTE]I would have to say that for one you found a few unicorns and two you caught these before these types of sites became mainstream. I'm not saying that you can't find them at this time but it's a lot harder due to scams and real girls that just want easy money without needing to do anything. It all depends on how much time and patience you have to weed through all the bs. It's like traveling overseas nowadays is becoming more difficult then it was 15 years ago, not that I have personal experience in this seeing as I only began traveling 5 years ago myself but it's what I've heard from other more seasoned individuals. The scamming, good digging etc. Now instead of being able to find regular girls easily, if that's what you want, you have some serious work to wade through all the pro escorts and the amateur escorts. Never attempt to date an escort LOL. There are plenty of women you can meet just walking around while running errands to engage with them looking for girlfriends on platforms where money is the motivating factor. And another thing to point out is the fact that you probably have game. From what you spoke about you were able to impart some serious knowledge to some of these women. Not many of these men on these sites got any game so they are more likely to get played.
Meeting a thick white girl in Carrollton tomorrow who needs help with rent, if she is decent I'll share. If she is really good I'll share in a month or two haha.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5201137]I would have to say that for one you found a few unicorns and two you caught these before these types of sites became mainstream. I'm not saying that you can't find them at this time but it's a lot harder due to scams and real girls that just want easy money without needing to do anything.[/QUOTE]Oh there's no doubt I got lucky. The first one was in 2012, the second in 2014, it was a very different scene. And even then, it took a lot of effort to find them. But I agree, it is much harder now.
What's really frustrating is all these girls who have been conditioned to expect there are all these guys who are just waiting to throw money at them for platonic arrangements. WTF? And since COVID, SA is overrun with girls who use that as an excuse to ask for "online only" arrangements. Again WTF. If I want pics or videos I can get an unlimited supply of that for free. Next.
[QUOTE]And another thing to point out is the fact that you probably have game.[/QUOTE]LOL well I think I do OK. There's nothing unique about my approach. I'm a confident guy and I treat these girls very well. It's not rocket science. By the time I've invested the effort to get a girl to go to dinner with me, it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. In all seriousness, if I take a new girl to dinner, 4 times out of 5 she's giving me "the look" that lets me know she's decided she wants me to fuck her before we're done with the meal. I do enjoy the payoff that follows.
I've fucked somewhere around 30 girls I've met off of SA over the past 8 years. I can only think of 3 that involved any sort of direct financial consideration. I knew I would be donating funds going in, and in all 3 cases I paid because I needed something simple and easy at the time. As for the rest of them, they weren't "free" (we all know it's never really free) because I stiffed or scammed them, they were free because I specifically target girls who are looking for a successful, confident older guy to treat them well and make them cum hard. It was "free" because I put in the effort to get the panties on the floor. Let's be honest, if you consider the value of my time, it would have been much cheaper to pay for it LOL, but where's the fun in that?
The truth is I get a lot more fulfillment out of the experience when a girl gives it up because she wants me to have it, not because I'm paying her to give it to me. That genuine enthusiasm and desire is what I'm after, and it can be intoxicating for me. But that's my angle, I know a lot of guys aren't looking for that.
The 4 year unicorn I told you about? She was 21 when I met her. She had never had an orgasm from sex, only masturbation. The first time I slid inside her, she came immediately. I mean literally within 3 seconds. It was amazing to witness and one of my favorite memories of all time. She was just that turned on and being with an older guy was a huge fantasy fulfilled for her. She came 3 more times that night. True story, when we met for our next date she asked if we could skip dinner. That's what I live for.
I haven't been that active this past year between COVID, traveling less for work and competing priorities. But I did take the time to meet a sweet little blonde girl next door right before the holidays. She's 22 and very much a quiet submissive with an old soul. She wasn't looking for financial support, she had an older guy fantasy and just wanted to be treated well. To hear her tell it, she was just sick of guys her age just wanting one thing and treating her like shit. After about a month of effort (texts and calls) I got her to agree to meet me for dinner. She was nervous at first, but really loosened up over the next 90 minutes as she got more comfortable with me. We decided to continue the conversation in my truck afterward, and when I opened the door for her, she told me she had never had a guy do that for her even once in her life. Think about that for second. The thing I liked about her was when I went to give her a kiss, she came at me hard. She was the one who moved my hands to her chest and begged me to touch her body. She was the one who unbuttoned her pants and told me she wanted me to feel how wet I made her. She was just so eager and enthusiastic. That was a damn good day. And it set me back a $70 meal. Again, not because I led her to believe she was going to get any money out of the deal. She specifically told me she didn't want any money. She just wanted a guy to pick up the tab instead of her having to do it for once (she actually offered to pay for her half when the check came, believe it or not). Yes it took effort. But I enjoy that chase and the payoff is worth it to me.
So anyway, I'm rambling now. But the point is. There are definitely a LOT of great opportunities on SA. If you're looking to drop $2 or $300 on a college coed for a sure thing with no strings attached, you can find that. If you're looking for a girl that will give it to you for "free" if you win her over, you can find that too. It takes effort, but they're out there. Just be up front and honest about your intentions and enjoy the ride!
One thing I want to be perfectly clear about. I would never take advantage of a girl under any circumstances. For those of you reading this who are just starting to dip your toes into the sugarbowl, I am going to encourage you to always be transparent about your intentions. Have the financial discussion early and make sure her expectations are aligned with yours. A lot of girls are uncomfortable talking about or asking for money up front, so they give it up with the assumption that you'll take care of them after the fact. Because after all, you met on a sugar dating site. Don't think for a minute that just because she didn't ask for or mention money before you fucked her that you don't owe her anything. Be a man about it, ask her what her expectations are before you get what you want. That's the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5198787]You sound a lot like me, we take the exact same approach to arrangements. Here's a link to a post I made in the Richmond SB thread about a 4 year relationship I had with a girl I met on SA:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4307822&viewfull=1#post4307822[/URL]
A lot of the guys approach the girls on SA like they would any escort or UTR (that is, paying to get laid with zero strings attached). While that's certainly a valid approach, I prefer longer term arrangements that are pretty much indistinguishable from traditional dating. There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends. I've had 3 long term arrangements since 2012. I'm still good friends with all 3 of them. The last one, the girl I was with for 4 years, she really was something special. Almost too good to be true. My experience was exactly like yours in that she was by far the best relationship of my life. We were 20 years apart but I've never been with anyone who was a more perfect fit and it's not even close. Toward the end we did talk about the possibility of staying together. But ultimately she decided she wanted to settle down with someone closer to her own age, and that was definitely the right choice for her (I am married). We shared a lot of great experiences together and we were a big part of each other's lives for quite a while. It was exactly what we both needed at the time. I'm certain she and I will be close for life.[/QUOTE]There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends.
THIS.
My current SB wanted to learn about the stock market so I helped her open an account and add $1000 a month into that account.
She's up 20 k YTD.
I'm up 67 k YTD.
We text about plays chat on a server she has but we make more money working together in my home office. She now spends 2-3 days a week with me. We trade, we spend days fucking, charting and making money together. The last play she discovered (on her own) ran 255% and when we both closed out positions seeing her go crazy jumping all over the place literally shoving me on the bed with a fire in her eyes asking if I was ready for my $12,000 dollar blow job (her profits invested with her own money) that was real. Even if it wasn't I FELT that it was real and that good enough for me.
Plus she just made me more money in one day than I've ever given her.
I know one day she will move on. Shes not mine its just my turn.. but I will never forget that $12,000 blow job or the happiness I help bring to her life being able to experience her first fully fledged DD stock investment.
This is a skill that when she’s ready to leave will be with her for life. We all seek immortality in our own ways.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5202025]Oh there's no doubt I got lucky. The first one was in 2012, the second in 2014, it was a very different scene. And even then, it took a lot of effort to find them. But I agree, it is much harder now.
What's really frustrating is all these girls who have been conditioned to expect there are all these guys who are just waiting to throw money at them for platonic arrangements. WTF? And since COVID, SA is overrun with girls who use that as an excuse to ask for "online only" arrangements. Again WTF. If I want pics or videos I can get an unlimited supply of that for free. Next.
LOL well I think I do OK. There's nothing unique about my approach. I'm a confident guy and I treat these girls very well. It's not rocket science. By the time I've invested the effort to get a girl to go to dinner with me, it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. In all seriousness, if I take a new girl to dinner, 4 times out of 5 she's giving me "the look" that lets me know she's decided she wants me to fuck her before we're done with the meal. I do enjoy the payoff that follows.
I've fucked somewhere around 30 girls I've met off of SA over the past 8 years. I can only think of 3 that involved any sort of direct financial consideration. I knew I would be donating funds going in, and in all 3 cases I paid because I needed something simple and easy at the time. As for the rest of them, they weren't "free" (we all know it's never really free) because I stiffed or scammed them, they were free because I specifically target girls who are looking for a successful, confident older guy to treat them well and make them cum hard. It was "free" because I put in the effort to get the panties on the floor. Let's be honest, if you consider the value of my time, it would have been much cheaper to pay for it LOL, but where's the fun in that?
The truth is I get a lot more fulfillment out of the experience when a girl gives it up because she wants me to have it, not because I'm paying her to give it to me. That genuine enthusiasm and desire is what I'm after, and it can be intoxicating for me. But that's my angle, I know a lot of guys aren't looking for that.
The 4 year unicorn I told you about? She was 21 when I met her. She had never had an orgasm from sex, only masturbation. The first time I slid inside her, she came immediately. I mean literally within 3 seconds. It was amazing to witness and one of my favorite memories of all time. She was just that turned on and being with an older guy was a huge fantasy fulfilled for her. She came 3 more times that night. True story, when we met for our next date she asked if we could skip dinner. That's what I live for.
I haven't been that active this past year between COVID, traveling less for work and competing priorities. But I did take the time to meet a sweet little blonde girl next door right before the holidays. She's 22 and very much a quiet submissive with an old soul. She wasn't looking for financial support, she had an older guy fantasy and just wanted to be treated well. To hear her tell it, she was just sick of guys her age just wanting one thing and treating her like shit. After about a month of effort (texts and calls) I got her to agree to meet me for dinner. She was nervous at first, but really loosened up over the next 90 minutes as she got more comfortable with me. We decided to continue the conversation in my truck afterward, and when I opened the door for her, she told me she had never had a guy do that for her even once in her life. Think about that for second. The thing I liked about her was when I went to give her a kiss, she came at me hard. She was the one who moved my hands to her chest and begged me to touch her body. She was the one who unbuttoned her pants and told me she wanted me to feel how wet I made her. She was just so eager and enthusiastic. That was a damn good day. And it set me back a $70 meal. Again, not because I led her to believe she was going to get any money out of the deal. She specifically told me she didn't want any money. She just wanted a guy to pick up the tab instead of her having to do it for once (she actually offered to pay for her half when the check came, believe it or not). Yes it took effort. But I enjoy that chase and the payoff is worth it to me.
So anyway, I'm rambling now. But the point is. There are definitely a LOT of great opportunities on SA. If you're looking to drop $2 or $300 on a college coed for a sure thing with no strings attached, you can find that. If you're looking for a girl that will give it to you for "free" if you win her over, you can find that too. It takes effort, but they're out there. Just be up front and honest about your intentions and enjoy the ride!
One thing I want to be perfectly clear about. I would never take advantage of a girl under any circumstances. For those of you reading this who are just starting to dip your toes into the sugarbowl, I am going to encourage you to always be transparent about your intentions. Have the financial discussion early and make sure her expectations are aligned with yours. A lot of girls are uncomfortable talking about or asking for money up front, so they give it up with the assumption that you'll take care of them after the fact. Because after all, you met on a sugar dating site. Don't think for a minute that just because she didn't ask for or mention money before you fucked her that you don't owe her anything. Be a man about it, ask her what her expectations are before you get what you want. That's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]SA has been good to me also. I enjoy having somewhat long term arrangements. A year or two, then moving on to keep the sex fresh. If you're the type of guy who can get a date with desirable women in "real life" then you can do so on SA but with younger and more desirable women. Its lets you tap a bigger market.
I've had both PPM and free arrangements. Many women in their early twenties are used to men their age. And sex with men in their twenties is usually not very satisfying. Get drunk, get a BJ, poke around for ten minutes, then back to partying with your buddies. These women are thrilled be treated nicely, have their pussy eaten by someone who knows what he's doing, get fucked for a solid two hours instead of ten minutes, and then treated well when its over. A couple of drinks at an expensive bar before hand, and some respect afterwards really does work.
Its harder now than five years ago, but they are out there.
[QUOTE=DetroitJohnny;5202493]There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends.
THIS.
My current SB wanted to learn about the stock market so I helped her open an account and add $1000 a month into that account.
She's up 20 k YTD.
I'm up 67 k YTD.
We text about plays chat on a server she has but we make more money working together in my home office. She now spends 2-3 days a week with me. We trade, we spend days fucking, charting and making money together. The last play she discovered (on her own) ran 255% and when we both closed out positions seeing her go crazy jumping all over the place literally shoving me on the bed with a fire in her eyes asking if I was ready for my $12,000 dollar blow job (her profits invested with her own money) that was real. Even if it wasn't I FELT that it was real and that good enough for me.[/QUOTE]Very well said, I feel the same.
[QUOTE=DetroitJohnny;5202493]The last play she discovered (on her own) ran 255% and when we both closed out positions seeing her go crazy jumping all over the place literally shoving me on the bed with a fire in her eyes asking if I was ready for my $12,000 dollar blow job (her profits invested with her own money) that was real. Even if it wasn't I FELT that it was real and that good enough for me.
I know one day she will move on. Shes not mine its just my turn.. but I will never forget that $12,000 blow job or the happiness I help bring to her life being able to experience her first fully fledged DD stock investment.[/QUOTE]Great story! It's obvious you and I both find fulfillment in very similar ways. I really do enjoy being a mentor, and I love being a part of the process when my girl finds success.
[QUOTE]This is a skill that when shes ready to leave will be with her for life. We all seek immortality in our own ways.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. As a wise man once said.
Give a girl a fish, fuck her for an hour.
Teach a girl to fish, fuck her for life.
Or something like that haha.
It sounds like I'm kidding, but there's actually a lot of truth to that. The girl I saw for a year in 2012? She's 29 now, married with a family. We stay in close contact, it'd be fair to say we're still "special" friends. We make time to see each other twice a year. The girl I saw in 2013? She asks me to come see her a couple of times a year. The 4 year unicorn isn't there yet, we stay in touch but are on hiatus for a while because that's that way it has to be after a really intense relationship. But she's joked more than once about making me *her* little secret once she's been married for a few years, so the potential is definitely there. More than anything though, I really enjoy the close connections these relationships have brought to my life. We can never have enough good friends.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5202935]More than anything though, I really enjoy the close connections these relationships have brought to my life. We can never have enough good friends.[/QUOTE]This x100.
The older I get, the more important this is.
It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.
[QUOTE=Dawgins;5205806]It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few of us out there who us SA as a way to date college age or 20 something hotties. I could date the local 40 year MILF who has 2 kids & 40 extra pounds & I do, I banged 5 of them last year. I just prefer college age spinners over the mid 40 year olds.
If all I am going to do is have sex with a girl I prefer massage girls, where it's about the women pleasing me. I disdain escorts due to time watching & it all about the nut. This is in the US, over seas it's a different experience with escorts.
Has anyone had any info or details / dealing with this one, wants 700,has somewhat of an attitude, high on on horse. Any info thanks.
I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.
I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.
Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=KneeGrow;5208375]I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.
I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.
Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest creating a new / fake Gmail. Once you do that you can request a Google phone number.
[QUOTE=KneeGrow;5208375]I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.
I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.
Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've been using Google Voice for years, it works great. I suggest creating a new Gmail account strickly for mongering. Use that account to sign up for a Google Voice number, its free. Once signed up, you can text and talk via GV with chics without them knowing your real number.
[QUOTE=KneeGrow;5208375]I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.
I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.
Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I use the MySudo app, and pay the one dollar a month subscription. It's privacy focused, and although the app subscription can be traced to me, none of the phone numbers, calls, or texts are (supposedly), and everything's encrypted.
Google Voice works great. The advice below is solid, set up a completely separate Gmail account and use that for your Google Voice account. I've been using GV for almost 10 years and it's been extremely reliable (and flexible).
You can have all your texts (and attachments!) forwarded to your gmail account for archival purposes. You can also have texts and calls forwarded directly to your main phone number, but that can get tricky if you're not really careful. I recommend using the free GV app for everything, it works great.
While we're on the subject of Google Voice, I want to pass along something I started doing recently. I don't have a SB right now and haven't been seeing anyone lately. My GV account is quiet. For security purposes I want to be able to log completely out of the GV app on my phone to minimize any risk of accidental discovery. But given I stay in touch with former SB's, I want to receive a timely notification if I had a new text message on my GV number. The easiest solution would be to use the email forwarding option to have my text messages sent to my gmail account, then set up a filter to forward them to my primary email address. The problem with that is the emails contain the sender's phone number and text message itself. That's not good for business. I want to receive a generic notification. Here's how I achieved that:
- Create a free account at [URL]Zapier.com[/URL].
- Set up a "zap" to check your gmail account for a new message that matches a search or label you define.
- When the zap is triggered, have it send an email to the address of your choice.
You can define the sender name / subject / message of the email that's sent. So in my case, when a new GV text comes through, Zapier sends me a generic email I wrote that looks like a standard notification from one of my web sites. But when I get it, I know I have a new message waiting for me on my GV number.
The free Zapier account runs every 15 minutes. So I'll always get that notification email within 15 minutes of a new text coming in. That's good enough for me.
A couple of important considerations:
- I only turn these notifications on when I'm not expecting to use the account for a while. That way my GV account is out of sight and out of mind, the app is dormant on my phone and I don't have to remember to log in and check it periodically.
- If a message comes in and I am going to engage in a conversation, I use the GV app or web interface to turn email forwarding off until I go dormant again. Otherwise every text message will trigger an email notification and quickly burn through the limits of the free tier on the Zapier account.
I hope this helps some of you guys.
JD.
[QUOTE=JoyDrop;5209465]Google Voice works great. The advice below is solid, set up a completely separate Gmail account and use that for your Google Voice account. I've been using GV for almost 10 years and it's been extremely reliable (and flexible).
You can have all your texts (and attachments!) forwarded to your gmail account for archival purposes. You can also have texts and calls forwarded directly to your main phone number, but that can get tricky if you're not really careful. I recommend using the free GV app for everything, it works great.
While we're on the subject of Google Voice, I want to pass along something I started doing recently. I don't have a SB right now and haven't been seeing anyone lately. My GV account is quiet. For security purposes I want to be able to log completely out of the GV app on my phone to minimize any risk of accidental discovery. But given I stay in touch with former SB's, I want to receive a timely notification if I had a new text message on my GV number. The easiest solution would be to use the email forwarding option to have my text messages sent to my gmail account, then set up a filter to forward them to my primary email address. The problem with that is the emails contain the sender's phone number and text message itself. That's not good for business. I want to receive a generic notification. Here's how I achieved that:
- Create a free account at [URL]Zapier.com[/URL].
- Set up a "zap" to check your gmail account for a new message that matches a search or label you define.
- When the zap is triggered, have it send an email to the address of your choice.
You can define the sender name / subject / message of the email that's sent. So in my case, when a new GV text comes through, Zapier sends me a generic email I wrote that looks like a standard notification from one of my web sites. But when I get it, I know I have a new message waiting for me on my GV number.
The free Zapier account runs every 15 minutes. So I'll always get that notification email within 15 minutes of a new text coming in. That's good enough for me.
A couple of important considerations:
- I only turn these notifications on when I'm not expecting to use the account for a while. That way my GV account is out of sight and out of mind, the app is dormant on my phone and I don't have to remember to log in and check it periodically.
- If a message comes in and I am going to engage in a conversation, I use the GV app or web interface to turn email forwarding off until I go dormant again. Otherwise every text message will trigger an email notification and quickly burn through the limits of the free tier on the Zapier account.
I hope this helps some of you guys.
JD.[/QUOTE]I actually just use the GV web client from my PC, or my cell phone, to log in and check messages. I don't use GV for calling, just texting. I also have a burner phone I keep at the office, its just plugged in charging in my desk. I use it when I'm going to meet a SB. But I still use the GV client and not the burner phone number. Everything is completely off my main phone and Gmail account, they are completely separate.
[QUOTE=Dawgins;5205806]It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.[/QUOTE]Got it all wrong. It's treating yourself with respect and quality ladies see that in a man.
[QUOTE=DetroitJohnny;5209883]Got it all wrong. It's treating yourself with respect and quality ladies see that in a man.[/QUOTE]Correction, it's treating each other with respect and quality ladies like that in a man.
[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5209968]Correction, it's treating each other with respect and quality ladies like that in a man.[/QUOTE]Lady like a prostitute.
[QUOTE=KneeGrow;5208375]I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.
I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.
Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There's an app called Text Now. Create a gmail email account not linked to you. Download it, use the email account, and when it asks to use your contacts, say no. It's free, and allows texts and phone calls. When you want to not be bothered, but anyone who has that number, log out, or even delete the app. You can change your phone number every 15-20 days also, and while the app download can be associated with your phone, none of the calls, texts, etc will be as long as you delete app when you aren't using it. Works in USA and Canada, that is the only limitation.
[QUOTE=IronCity;5210969]There's an app called Text Now. Create a gmail email account not linked to you. Download it, use the email account, and when it asks to use your contacts, say no. It's free, and allows texts and phone calls. When you want to not be bothered, but anyone who has that number, log out, or even delete the app. You can change your phone number every 15-20 days also, and while the app download can be associated with your phone, none of the calls, texts, etc will be as long as you delete app when you aren't using it. Works in USA and Canada, that is the only limitation.[/QUOTE]Can you use the Text Now app in conjunction with your default messaging app? The messaging apps that I'm aware of always want to take over as your default messaging app, but based on your description it sounds like you can use both simultaneously without Text Now wanting to take over as default.
[QUOTE=IronCity;5210969]There's an app called Text Now. Create a gmail email account not linked to you. Download it, use the email account, and when it asks to use your contacts, say no. It's free, and allows texts and phone calls. When you want to not be bothered, but anyone who has that number, log out, or even delete the app. You can change your phone number every 15-20 days also, and while the app download can be associated with your phone, none of the calls, texts, etc will be as long as you delete app when you aren't using it. Works in USA and Canada, that is the only limitation.[/QUOTE]2nd line has worked pretty well for me too. Same concept. I have like 3 numbers with different emails and just log in and out when needed. One thing I like to do is use one number to get any detailed info on a girl then use a second number a few days later to just book the appointment without speaking about any details. Just an extra precaution.
Hey guys let's get back on track.
Here is a good one that I had a fantastic time with. Smart, easy going, and sexy. Honestly better looking in person. Saw her at her house and talked for a bit before doing anything. Connection was there. Clean. A minx in the bedroom. Give her a shot and message her on SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8c630c32-f88c-4a46-93cd-07237b48f251[/URL]
[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;5212025]Here is a good one that I had a fantastic time with.[/QUOTE]Username checks out LOL.
Tried Pm'ing but it won't go thru. Thanks.
[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;5212025]Hey guys let's get back on track.
Here is a good one that I had a fantastic time with. Smart, easy going, and sexy. Honestly better looking in person. Saw her at her house and talked for a bit before doing anything. Connection was there. Clean. A minx in the bedroom. Give her a shot and message her on SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8c630c32-f88c-4a46-93cd-07237b48f251[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;5212025]Hey guys let's get back on track.
Here is a good one that I had a fantastic time with. Smart, easy going, and sexy. Honestly better looking in person. Saw her at her house and talked for a bit before doing anything. Connection was there. Clean. A minx in the bedroom. Give her a shot and message her on SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8c630c32-f88c-4a46-93cd-07237b48f251[/URL][/QUOTE]I chatted her up a few months ago, she came across a bit to pro'ish for me. Nothing wrong with that, just not what I'm looking for. That body looks like a lot of fun though. If I recall she wanted like 400-500 ppm? Is that still the case?
This one wants more than 400 and she does not host, and will not meet at a less than 4 star hotel. She's not that hot.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/91288a76-6051-4341-a5e9-2d21f2cae503[/URL]
[QUOTE=Skip15;5212260]Tried Pm'ing but it won't go thru. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Clear!! Sorry guys.
[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;5212351]I chatted her up a few months ago, she came across a bit to pro'ish for me. Nothing wrong with that, just not what I'm looking for. That body looks like a lot of fun though. If I recall she wanted like 400-500 ppm? Is that still the case?[/QUOTE]Negative. And not a pro at all. Hung for like 2 hours. And I did not do a 400 allowance ha ha. She is actually a hard working girl who is making a change and had a break-up so wanted to get some. But why not get some random dick and get some $ too ha ha.
[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;5212631]Negative. And not a pro at all. Hung for like 2 hours. And I did not do a 400 allowance ha ha. She is actually a hard working girl who is making a change and had a break-up so wanted to get some. But why not get some random dick and get some $ too ha ha.[/QUOTE]Only wants younger dudes: 22 - 45. Guess that leaves several of us out of the lineup.