I'm in IRvine for work, first time away from the warden in ages.
Not able to access SA due to their draconian banning bull shit.
Any referrals for a senior member for an OTR or SB who would be open to me texting her as a referral?
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I'm in IRvine for work, first time away from the warden in ages.
Not able to access SA due to their draconian banning bull shit.
Any referrals for a senior member for an OTR or SB who would be open to me texting her as a referral?
Has anyone used this new site. What's Your Price?
I've gotten a few offers, but I don't know how this site works.
[URL]https://whatsyourprice.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheFiberCable;6553077]Wants 6 covered.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef33d313-03af-452d-a824-5a609029949e[/URL]
6 as well no details.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce785d29-9e4a-431f-a1c7-eabae0aa4eee[/URL]
Both of these tempting but for 6. I need like 50% off LOL.[/QUOTE]You can offer 3 or 4 and see where that goes. Both these profiles seem a bit shady, so watch your 6.
It is fairly often observed that girls with escort experience figure they can get a higher price point as a SB, so they post on the seeking or similar sites. There are a few tells in how they approach you, including a lot of "babe"s and "hun"s. They may pose a risk if they start talking dough on the seeking site, if they were to get banned they could get right back on; for guys, it is a *lot* of trouble, sometimes insurmountable without providing more personal information than most are comfortable with.
[QUOTE=TheFiberCable;6553077]Wants 6 covered.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef33d313-03af-452d-a824-5a609029949e[/URL]
6 as well no details.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce785d29-9e4a-431f-a1c7-eabae0aa4eee[/URL]
Both of these tempting but for 6. I need like 50% off LOL.[/QUOTE]The aprilsopretty is hot af but she's a pro.
She will rush you and try to get you to finish last and leave right away.
600 for 15-20 min LOL.
Where are all the real non pro college girls? Is sugaring out of fashion now?
[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6557963]Where are all the real non pro college girls? Is sugaring out of fashion now?[/QUOTE]School starts in the next month or so. Give them a couple of weeks to hear about how to make money. By late September, we should be ready to go.
[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6557963]Where are all the real non pro college girls? Is sugaring out of fashion now?[/QUOTE]Going back many years. Yes it has changed. It's not as trendy as it used to be. It was almost a right of passage. And the kind of girls you are thinking about, those are the ones that mostly had that mindset. On social media which is what these girls live by sugar babies have now been classified as sex workers (the horror). And not the OF kind that might never see a dick (that isn't their BF's) but the kind that actually have to touch one. Where as in the past they were still thinking (or not thinking about it too much before plunging in), I'm not sure what, but it wasn't that they were sex workers. it was more like they had a rich boyfriend or some other fantasy.
And as far as the AA girls go I think they figured out you can make more as just a run of the mill escort than a sugar baby... generally speaking. Because they have dropped off quite a bit over the years as well. But there are still enough to choose from to make it worth your while. But like you have heard so many time before, you have to put in the work. And if you really have the time try social media. These girls post tons of pics/videos so you basically know what you are getting. I mean if you are noticeably older and commenting on a girls pic and she DM's you are asks after a line or two "what are you looking for". It's basically on.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6536315][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/65baaa08-94c3-4dfc-bbd6-5b2cf40b85f2[/URL]
Seeking Lala Land.
Photos look great.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I messaged with her she wanted 6. Was very explicit and sent a bunch of photos but I had to go out of town and couldn't meet for a few days. Never followed up but she seemed solid.
Why do so many young women on seeking claim to live in Beverly Hills?
[QUOTE=RanManCan;6457741]I'm starting to agree that we need:
1. a national forum for sugar strategy and other non-local issues.
2. regional / city forums for specific girls, both positive and negative.
This chic is certifiably kookoo! I don't mean to pollute the forum with negativity, but I went with her because she was a newbie (non-pro as HG would say). Um, not worth the price of nutso!
Ellelolxo - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/94d8b869-a7be-480b-be13-d440f87b747c[/URL].
Haha, she looks normal enough, and was normal if a bit nervous about first-ever meet via voice call. . . In person, she was a bundle of nerves.
Anyone ever have a good fuck that was a bundle of nerves?[/QUOTE]You are spot on. I met with her, she came over wanted to go lay out by the pool, hung out had some drinks. She's hot, pics are accurate, but after the pool she said she was nervous to get intimate the first time. By that time it had been like 3 hours and I was over it and just got her an uber home.
[QUOTE=KathmanDouche;6561176]Why do so many young women on seeking claim to live in Beverly Hills?[/QUOTE]They are probably from the SFV or East LA, but think that is how they find a WLA Whale!
If you set something up, I guarantee she will be driving there form someplace 15 miles or more away.
[QUOTE=KathmanDouche;6561176]Why do so many young women on seeking claim to live in Beverly Hills?[/QUOTE]Why do so many sugar daddys have pictures of themselves standing next to their 6 figure rides? And its because they don't want you to what part of town they actually live in
[QUOTE=JSmith818;6561197]You are spot on. I met with her, she came over wanted to go lay out by the pool, hung out had some drinks. She's hot, pics are accurate, but after the pool she said she was nervous to get intimate the first time. By that time it had been like 3 hours and I was over it and just got her an uber home.[/QUOTE]As long as you didn't pay, it's OK, not fun but it happens from time to time. Shit, I have had them on my bed and they backed out.
[QUOTE=DJwezzy;6550476]I got a nice white girl in Westwood.
Reasonable donations.
We can trade.
Pm me.[/QUOTE]I got some baddies we can trade. I live near west wood so it would be perf.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6562121]As long as you didn't pay, it's OK, not fun but it happens from time to time. Shit, I have had them on my bed and they backed out.[/QUOTE]Right on! And the fact this is so, and that there are many many ways girls who are on seeking and seemingly DTF but find a way to fall of the track before getting to the deed is yet more proof that, contrary to what a significant number of posters on this site will say, sugarbabies / girls on seeking aren't all prostitutes. Because if they were, if they were on your bed, they would be banging you to get their dough and split.
In other words, as you like to say HG, there are real NPs (and that means non pros). Not all on the sites are, but that's the trick. To find them.
[URL]https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/hws/d/inglewood-your-remote-friend-tori/7655484100.html[/URL]
Now this is some chocolate non pro that brings back church girl memories and that physics major at USC he used to bang.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6552415]Sorry for the bad experience, but you sorta asked for it. I would never ever contact that profile. As HG says, stay away from profiles that have any negativity in them whatsoever. And her profile name is 'Diva', that is an insight into her mindset before the first click. Being polite is essential, lest she report you for some real or imagined slight, and the approach of the mods is 'shoot first, ask questions later' - hence you could have been banned. I always block such profiles, to make it more difficult for someone to report you, hoping to avoid the banning, which is very difficult to recover from.
However, her hostility is unsurprising. This one doesn't give off tell-tale signs of being a pro / UTR, but a recent observation many have made is that the more pro a girl is, the more likely they are to take offesne at the slightest offense. And it is just not worth the trouble.[/QUOTE]Yeah you got to watch out for red flags.
Use of the words babe, handsome, hun.
Saying they love shopping more than once.
Saying they love findom.
Photos in front of expensive stores you know they don't shop at.
Those retarded super long fingernails.
Chest tattoos, full. Thigh tattoos, big. Hand tattoos, full back. Face tattoos.
Primary photo is a body part like chest.
Thigh high boots in multiple photos.
Telling you the best way to get their attention is to select something from their gift list.
Having a profile 4 years old that still says they're 20 in the text.
I'll stop now.
[QUOTE=Murrican;6563947]Yeah you got to watch out for red flags.
Use of the words babe, handsome, hun.
Saying they love shopping more than once.
Saying they love findom.
Photos in front of expensive stores you know they don't shop at.
Those retarded super long fingernails.
Chest tattoos, full. Thigh tattoos, big. Hand tattoos, full back. Face tattoos.
Primary photo is a body part like chest.
Thigh high boots in multiple photos.
Telling you the best way to get their attention is to select something from their gift list.
Having a profile 4 years old that still says they're 20 in the text.
I'll stop now.[/QUOTE]I see no lies here.
Any of you experienced daddies have had preggo sugar babies? I seem to be a clone magnet LOL. Have had 8 SB's in the past in different stages of cloning.
One of my current SB right now is a really cute white girl about 3 months preggo. I am still barebacking her in the Palm Springs area, and use one of the many cheap hotels on Hwy 111 for my no-condom FC dates. Hopefully she will let me CIP up to the very last month before delivery. Preggo girls are so horny and their pussy is so slimy wet!
Great girl,
Was always sweet with me and I can say very attentive and a ton of fun.
But I've had my fair share and currently dedicating my time to another partner.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e10b25e3-3e8a-41df-b6a1-6f70d0372fae[/URL]
Killer body.
[QUOTE=Murrican;6563947]Yeah you got to watch out for red flags.
Use of the words babe, handsome, hun.
Saying they love shopping more than once.
Saying they love findom.
Photos in front of expensive stores you know they don't shop at.
Those retarded super long fingernails.
Chest tattoos, full. Thigh tattoos, big. Hand tattoos, full back. Face tattoos.
Primary photo is a body part like chest.
Thigh high boots in multiple photos.
Telling you the best way to get their attention is to select something from their gift list.
Having a profile 4 years old that still says they're 20 in the text.
I'll stop now.[/QUOTE]I'll add:
Uses terms like "p4 p".
Location: Beverly Hills.
Location: Multiple Locations, mostly Florida.
[QUOTE=JackMiles;6565677]I'll add:
Uses terms like "p4 p".
Location: Beverly Hills.
Location: Multiple Locations, mostly Florida.[/QUOTE]I love the Beverly Hills thing. I actually do live right there. I don't think they realize it's not what people think. Apart from the flats or bev park it's no more or less expensive than many other nice parts of the city. It just screams "this is where rich people say they live right?" It's humorously classless in its earnestness.
New job will include travel and overnight stays to LV, SF, and SD. If anyone has info on potential girls in these areas, please let me know. I can reciprocate for LA.
Found this pornstar SB.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db4d911c-c94f-4d2e-8667-33c46f793e41[/URL]
[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/models/rhea-radford[/URL]
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6569239]Found this pornstar SB.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db4d911c-c94f-4d2e-8667-33c46f793e41[/URL]
[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/models/rhea-radford[/URL][/QUOTE]They don't make them like they used to. And yes I did LOL.
[QUOTE=MrBlueSea;6569252]They don't make them like they used to. And yes I did LOL.[/QUOTE]The porn links he provided are when she was younger and she has makeup on. So she actually looks better in the vids. She's older now and her seeking profile she's not wearing makeup but still looks good.
As for the real pornstar she's pretty but I'm not into fake tits. I prefer them natural even if they are small. So many amateur porn girls that started with nice natural tits, even if on the smaller side that end up getting big fake boobs that don't look good on them. The natural fresh look is so much better.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;6569307]The porn links he provided are when she was younger and she has makeup on. So she actually looks better in the vids. She's older now and her seeking profile she's not wearing makeup but still looks good.
As for the real pornstar she's pretty but I'm not into fake tits. I prefer them natural even if they are small. So many amateur porn girls that started with nice natural tits, even if on the smaller side that end up getting big fake boobs that don't look good on them. The natural fresh look is so much better.[/QUOTE]I agree natural is better, but she sure did look good with those.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2968e949-828d-42fd-9300-f862c875324c[/URL]
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6569998][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2968e949-828d-42fd-9300-f862c875324c[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, but more importantly, when in doubt (about anything) it's best to move on. Trust your gut.
Brings to mind one time when I agonized about meeting this girl because I felt something was up. Literally lost sleep over it. It turned out she just had a BF and they were fighting, and once I got her home she started feeling guilty and backed off. But better to be safe than sorry.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6544852]Quite the milfy hottie. Any info? Many thanks in advance.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d54f910f-bacc-4e46-b0dd-01731043c10d[/URL][/QUOTE]Photos from seeking.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6569998][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2968e949-828d-42fd-9300-f862c875324c[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think she is trans. She is into running and looks like she has a 30+ year old 5'8" runners body. Most of the trans state that they are. It is still stupid as fuk that the app puts them into whatever gender they pretend to be. I guess that is one benefit of the hide / block feature.
[QUOTE=KathmanDouche;6570848]I don't think she is trans. She is into running and looks like she has a 30+ year old 5'8" runners body. Most of the trans state that they are. It is still stupid as fuk that the app puts them into whatever gender they pretend to be. I guess that is one benefit of the hide / block feature.[/QUOTE]Serious question here. I don't understand the appeal of trans people, sexually. Some must like them because they are there announcing themselves. But it just seems confusing. How is a girl who used to be a boy appealing? Like who likes that? Is that people who are bi and want the best of both? People who like sexual oddities? I feel like I can't understand how that's appealing to anyone.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fed32168-d9d9-4837-8fa1-13b513783d95[/URL]
Cute, although a bit too much ink for my taste. Looks like a great body but who knows until you see it in the flesh. Discussing rates and then she tells me no kissing until she feels comfortable. I tell her no go and then she goes off on me for not being able to wait a few times for that.
NEXT.
Been working hard on contacting / meeting new SBs over the past 3 months. Probably contacting 25 to 35 per week. Have found a few gems and a bunch of turds. Curious what other guys have found.
1. $600 is the new $300 from pre pandemic. Able to talk it down to $5 but at the risk of tainting her attitude. Would rather pay the extra and get all the extras. Kind of like the chef spitting in the food.
This is for anything from mediocre to good. The exception is a new SB that hasn't been exposed to the GPS from Reddit and other stupid sources. Interesting that on the Reddit Sugarlife forums, the avg PPM is $300 for LA. Not sure how that is found as the absolute bottom basement I've seen is $300 so where is the $200 that's averaging out the $4's and $5's?
2. $1 k is the new $500 from pre pandemic. For all the hotties that used to be $500, it's $1 k+ now. Unfortunately, this also includes the ones that used to be a hottie and no longer fit that.
3. $6 k - $10 k allowance. Used to be rarified air. Not so much. So many professional SBs meaning that's all they do. Don't work. Don't do shit. Just living off SDs.
4. PPM + expensive dinners + gifts+ travel -- used to be if you're doing PPM, then dinner on the first couple dates and then just straight to the action thereafter with no expectation of gifts. Conversely, gifts + travel was also an option but no PPM or allowance. Again, either Reddit or Crypto bros have fucked this one up. Straight up in the profile are expectations of all of the above. Otherwise you're a splenda, fake, or cheap SD.
Strangely enough, these expectations are not limited to the supermodel types or social media influencers. Always get a kick out of finding a 50 k+ follower influencer that's begging for a SD and preaching on wealth creation))). This is after excluding the obvious pro's, super long nails, super long fake eyelash types. I've tried the AA and Latina route and even gone outside of the general LA area. No better than $500 to start. Depressing.
5's to 7's are also quoting these asks without shame. Same for late 30's through late 40's MILF types. $600 to $1 k is the norm if she's cute and has a good body. Nothing fantastic but you might take a 2nd look at Whole Foods.
GPS is alive and well and spreading quickly.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6572072][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fed32168-d9d9-4837-8fa1-13b513783d95[/URL]
Cute, although a bit too much ink for my taste. Looks like a great body but who knows until you see it in the flesh. Discussing rates and then she tells me no kissing until she feels comfortable. I tell her no go and then she goes off on me for not being able to wait a few times for that..[/QUOTE]What was her rate? She Favorited me LOL.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6572103]GPS is alive and well and spreading quickly.[/QUOTE]I started in this game with basically unlimited funds. I was one of those overpaid internet dudes capitalizing on the ignorance of the masses. Starting with the crash of 2008 I had to reprioritize my spending. I still had a hefty budget but was dating 20-25 days a month and had to keep it at 3 k a month maximum. I was asking myself, like how is this even possible?
So I put all my energy into figuring out how to pay less. The main theme of my convo's has been putting a lot into letting them know I am interested in them as a person, that I am not pushy (which I am not) and that I am a fun person. Now this is not going to work on a strictly money motivated gal most of the time, but sometimes it does. And just like a lot of you guys want something more than just pussy but more of a GF type arrangement, well some of these girls are looking for the same thing and especially if they are new. So you need to be sincere or a good actor.
And I do have two approaches depending on the vibe I get off their profile. One is more sincere and the other is for the obvious one night stand girls. But I have a bit of each come-on in both of them to mitigate the risk of going too far in one direction or the other.
As far as GPS, today my main girl made $$$ just selling videos online. Yes they are very sexy but there is no nudity or sex going on. So if a girl can make bank without even meeting a guy or taking her clothes off, the cost for meeting just went through the roof. In her case its 1 k for a trip to the FC which she doesn't even look for and has even made that much just chatting with guys online (with her clothes on). And yes she has 10 years experience covering the full range of SW. Dancing, dating, OF, etc. But I met her before she did all that and I was paying a $ a date and seeing her about 10 days a month and all overnites. Today she lives in my apt complex and I pay nothing but that's the benefit of a 10 year relationship.
And admittedly if you are not a tall, in-shape or good-looking guy or if you are someone that gets nervous around pretty girls then you are going to pay more. But to this day almost every girl that gets to know me calls me a dork. So you can be a dork, or short, or average looking but you really need to work on your communication / social skills. And if getting rejected bothers you for any reason, then you will never get past the GPS. Because all rejection can be eliminated if you pay enough. I know some of you guys are super busy and traveling and just don't have the time or energy to get past the fact that you have been married forever and just don't have the dating skills needed to get past the GPS (and may not even care).
But I started this after coming off of 25 years of marriage and only getting extra pussy when it almost fell in my lap. I got married soon after HS and I had really no social / dating skills at all. Lucky for me what really gave me some inspiration was my first real SB. She took full advantage of my lameness when we were together (I was spending about 6 k a month on her for 2 years) but when we were breaking up she told me I was clueless, had low self esteem & could actually get any hot girl I wanted. She gave me a few pointers and I was on my way.
But it actually took 2 more years of work to learn how to get a steady stream of reasonably priced pussy and I have never looked back. But I put in the time, experimented with multiple come ons and even kept excel spreadsheets with multiple data points. That's what it took for me. But as always YMMV in this game no matter how much time or energy you invest. And that's the way I approached it... as a long term investment.
Ya'll be posting up some real fuglies up in here. Whats good? LOL.
I follow a thread for sugar babies on Reddit. Let me tell hou what I think is really happening.
A small minority of girls are getting monthly allowances in the thousands or ppm of 1 k+.
And there is a much larger cohort of girls sitting around cursing guys for being cheap, splenda daddies, johns, hobbyists, etc while they sit frustrated by the supposedly lowball offers they are getting.
It's like the housing market in LA. The prices are remaining buoyant but it's only because transaction volume has plummeted so we only see overpriced sales, not the majority of transactions that never actually happen because there's no agreement on price.
[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6572103]Been working hard on contacting / meeting new SBs over the past 3 months. Probably contacting 25 to 35 per week. Have found a few gems and a bunch of turds. Curious what other guys have found.
1. $600 is the new $300 from pre pandemic. Able to talk it down to $5 but at the risk of tainting her attitude. Would rather pay the extra and get all the extras. Kind of like the chef spitting in the food.
This is for anything from mediocre to good. The exception is a new SB that hasn't been exposed to the GPS from Reddit and other stupid sources. Interesting that on the Reddit Sugarlife forums, the avg PPM is $300 for LA. Not sure how that is found as the absolute bottom basement I've seen is $300 so where is the $200 that's averaging out the $4's and $5's?
2. $1 k is the new $500 from pre pandemic. For all the hotties that used to be $500, it's $1 k+ now. Unfortunately, this also includes the ones that used to be a hottie and no longer fit that.
3. $6 k - $10 k allowance. Used to be rarified air. Not so much. So many professional SBs meaning that's all they do. Don't work. Don't do shit. Just living off SDs.
4. PPM + expensive dinners + gifts+ travel -- used to be if you're doing PPM, then dinner on the first couple dates and then just straight to the action thereafter with no expectation of gifts. Conversely, gifts + travel was also an option but no PPM or allowance. Again, either Reddit or Crypto bros have fucked this one up. Straight up in the profile are expectations of all of the above. Otherwise you're a splenda, fake, or cheap SD.
Strangely enough, these expectations are not limited to the supermodel types or social media influencers. Always get a kick out of finding a 50 k+ follower influencer that's begging for a SD and preaching on wealth creation))). This is after excluding the obvious pro's, super long nails, super long fake eyelash types. I've tried the AA and Latina route and even gone outside of the general LA area. No better than $500 to start. Depressing.
5's to 7's are also quoting these asks without shame. Same for late 30's through late 40's MILF types. $600 to $1 k is the norm if she's cute and has a good body. Nothing fantastic but you might take a 2nd look at Whole Foods.
GPS is alive and well and spreading quickly.[/QUOTE]
I've been in touch w / her for a week since rejoining. Pretty but quirky. Was supposed to meet this morning, I think she was trying to avoid it, suggested doing a picnic lunch. Not on my schedule, already had a lunch M&G.
Anyone else have any luck w / her?