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[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082839]Here is where a problem with that lies.

If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.

None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.

But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.

It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.

In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?

Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.

Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.[/QUOTE]My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work. After you register it and everything thing is working, throw everything away.

I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.

My first HP I didn't give a name during registration, it prompt me 4 times then bypassed it and I completed the registration with no name. The 2nd phone I registered with my hobby FB name. If ever found by the wrong person it is not my phone it's Benz phone, my friend at work. He must have dropped it in the parking lot, I'll give it to him at work tomorrow.

If you have a wife I would avoid the phone apps. Even if you uninstall the phone app each time there is a history of uninstalled apps with Android phones via Google Play(not sure about Apple). I assume a wife would have access to that. Not sure if you can delete that history. Just too much could go wrong with phone apps and married dudes. Burner phone is the way to go but if your wife ever finds it you will have lots of splainin to do lucy.

If you are not married a phone app is fine. That is what I use. But something to keep in mind is that phone apps are tied to your actual phone number. If a serious crime occurred the phone app company could be presented with a subpoena to give up the actual phone number. Maybe the provider you saw was murdered (god forbid) or involved with some sort of terrorism. In either of those cases they will want to know who is behind every phone number found on her phone. These are some extreme cases and not likely. But just showing there is some risk with burner apps.

For the most paranoid among us the safest method is a burner phone that is paid for with cash and the minutes are paid for with cash. Better to buy these at a gas station than say a meijer as the gas station is likely to not keep their security video as long as a meijers (Benz mentioned buying his phone at dollar general, that would be a good place to buy a phone). And make sure location is turned off on the phone. To take it a step further make sure the phone is turned off when not in use. Only turn it on when you are setting up an appointment with a provider. Better yet, if possible, pull the battery when not using the phone. Again, this is only for the most paranoid.

If you want to take your paranoia beyond the phone, get yourself a VPN. I use one. They are cheap.

[QUOTE=JMaul;4082783]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.

A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.

App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.

When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.

Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.[/QUOTE]

I tried a phone app on my real phone for about 2 sec. When it asked to allow access to my data and files. Dumped it fast.

I put a phone app on my burner phone and don't mind it accessing file and data info from my burner phone.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4082949]My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work........
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.....[/QUOTE]My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.

Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?

[QUOTE=TokyoDawson;4083589]My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.

Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?[/QUOTE]Yes, TracFone.

Pick the card off the rack that has about 6 multiple options one is a text for 5 bucks 1000 texts. Bring it to the cashier , they scan the option you want. You have tohave an active phone for it to work. To keep it active I buy a 20 dollar data card every 3 months allows talk minutes and data too.
I recently bought the latest upgrade for tracfone smart phone. The last one sucked. It was 29 plus buy the card for 20 now I have data talk and text. Can buy more text at 5 bucks for 1k texts at speedway.
When you upgrade the phone it will transfer all info including your existing talk time text and data to the new phone using the same number. Easy service up. Nice phone

Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.

Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.

Use Google's incognito browsing. It is built into Chrome. When using Google Incognito window your searches won't appear in your browser history or search history. Incognito is also included in the Google chrome app for your phone.

For those that don't use Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer also have this feature.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4083833]Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.

Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Benz1;4077956]I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.[/QUOTE]I agree by logic, it can't be an upsell once you do know Everything already and it remains the same. An upsell requires a price (or assumed price) for basics before cumming in, but then up-selling for extras after you're settled in (usually applied when extras are above an assumed market value). Up-selling doesn't necessarily mean GPS if it's in-line with a very understandable market value. GPS is just about attitude / persona, notably when the prices are higher than normal. Usually they're not GPS if the client already knows the cost of everything going into the appointment. However, they still Can be GPS based on their ad, as seen in a few of them.

There's a difference between I don't really do X / why / Z, butt, if you really wanted it, I guess I could but it'd cost you a lot VS trying to sell you on X / why / Z at a Clearly above market price, with an I-deserve-I-deserve mentality (GPS).

[QUOTE]In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:

[QUOTE]Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments.[/QUOTE]I agree. That's where upsells mainly occur, but as you point out, not necessarily. As with your friend, he had everything laid out to him on the phone, I'm assuming. Technically though, he very well could have been facing upsells via text with the gal, before meeting her, to eliminate any upselling once he did get there in person. Nothing wrong with technically 'upselling' when you're technically inquiring about extra services to be sold. But we tend to use the term to apply to above-expected quotes when in a negotiative situation, or assumptions that X would be already included, but they want an extra fee for it.

GPS on the other hand is all about a (negative) attitude, which upselling can certainly reflect. But one could even upsell way high but not have GPS, with an understandable explanation & attitude (I don't like taking my bottom off vs other girls; but if you Really want to I can, if you're willing to pay $100 after paying me $20 extra to be just in my panties!

[QUOTE]As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.[/QUOTE]That is good. And hopefully it's not to merely appease an individual who reported that others can see, but to also put one's mentality in a more proper perspective in relation to their mentality about doing their stuff. Everyone's a winner, then. I'll give Wynter the benefit of the doubt that she has at least a bit of a better perspective for the long-run, and I do believe you that she can be a cool gal.

Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:

He asked me a lot of questions, he was very surprised I had answers. I reminded him over and over that massage parlors charge you more and you get less. He didn't like seeing Tina the RedHot RedHead at her Notel he became very paranoid , his first experience was not good, way too nervous, couldn't get it up for the full half hour.
I don't know why he was so nervous, he had plenty of help getting there, I drove him. ( I didn't even tell him the provider was a friend of his daughters on FB LOL) I'm still confused, She was hot and liked him very much. Tina felt bad about the date too.
At that point He knew his only hobby option was Massage Parlors and only two had good parking for him to hide his vehicle. I told him what to expect for regular rates and the upcharge rates too. He was looking for GFE at a parlor with a hot girl. He expected to pay more, when he found the right one he offered the extra to make sure she offered GFE and body slides.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe there are a lot more of these guys out there that will not buy a hobby phone and float around to the parlors hoping to get what they want. We seem to be the minority, Looking at the report of current active users.

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‎Benz1 ‎DRickGiver5 ‎SkyHighBuilder ‎DaddyYake ‎FishinForLife ‎BadBoyC216.

Here is just a general question.

You see a lot of ladys that are on eros and what not that require a persons legal name, place of work personal phone etc. I get it as they are going to be spending time with someone they do not yet know. But do guys really provide that info? That info was why I never finished the p411 after my 6 month free membership elapsed. Anyone have thoughts?

[QUOTE=Benz1;4086901]He asked me a lot of questions, he was very surprised I had answers. I reminded him over and over that massage parlors charge you more and you get less. He didn't like seeing Tina the RedHot RedHead at her Notel he became very paranoid , his first experience was not good, way too nervous, couldn't get it up for the full half hour.
I don't know why he was so nervous, he had plenty of help getting there, I drove him. ( I didn't even tell him the provider was a friend of his daughters on FB LOL) I'm still confused, She was hot and liked him very much. Tina felt bad about the date too.[/QUOTE]

I would think for most people who are completely new to everything, they would get more nervous their 1st time in a massage parlor going from 100% legal at a store on the street to crossing the line for some hint-hint extras. Getting naked under a towel in doing so, then opting for the gal to 'get comfortable' after things settle in, handling the flip well to opt for something happy, etc. Some gals can be quite forthright & have a fun attitude when doing so, which would make it easy for any newbie, but you can't count on that. But I figure he saw / felt it a different way, not comfortable going to a Notel seeing a "hooker" from the get-go. Otherwise, why the paranoia when she's real cute + real friendly.

Once one does get comfy with an MP girl, I think that should nix one's uncomfort-zone for any other pay-a-girl endeavors. So maybe he'll try that avenue in the future if he isn't totally turned off by the Notel-escort idea.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;4088575]I would think for most people who are completely new to everything, they would get more nervous their 1st time in a massage parlor going from 100% legal at a store on the street to crossing the line for some hint-hint extras. Getting naked under a towel in doing so, then opting for the gal to 'get comfortable' after things settle in, handling the flip well to opt for something happy, etc. Some gals can be quite forthright & have a fun attitude when doing so, which would make it easy for any newbie, but you can't count on that. But I figure he saw / felt it a different way, not comfortable going to a Notel seeing a "hooker" from the get-go. Otherwise, why the paranoia when she's real cute + real friendly.

Once one does get comfy with an MP girl, I think that should nix one's uncomfort-zone for any other pay-a-girl endeavors. So maybe he'll try that avenue in the future if he isn't totally turned off by the Notel-escort idea.[/QUOTE]I gave him a lot of info, for both escorts and MP he's still paying 225 per session with his girl once a month and happy too.

He was more afraid of a sting operation or drug bust. He believes he is less likely to be caught in trap by going to a massage parlor. If anyone were to bust the massage parlor for anything he could always say he was just coming in for a massage and understood it to be a legitimate massage salon.

His significant other might not by it story but it would be better than getting caught in a hotel room with a known hooker.

I believe he's right maybe that's why the men going to massage parlors are willing to pay a little more to have that story in case they're ever caught. Granted it's a lame story, it is better than being caught in a hotel room with a escort.

He doesn't want to have a hobby phone and massage parlors aren't as likely to call you back or try to extort.

As I mentioned before I believe there's a lot of guys out there just like him that go once a month I've no intention of buying a hobby phone and paying enough money to get what they want when they show up. Those hobbyist aren't the same as our membership they hobby monthly or every other month whereas we are Hobbying weekly sometimes more than once a week. We need a hobby phone, they do not.

We have navigation and negotiation skills which they do not. They don't want to take the time to research where to go for safe escorts either. Just get me off now. If I like it I'll be back. Attitude. Not about money.

If anyone is focusing on a provider and want to make sure it's a great date, I strongly suggest stopping at Sweetlands Candy on Plainfield before you see your girl.

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LOL Benz1 you do know according to the Snickers commercials they will do the same thing much cheaper to. Lmao 😁.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4089409]If anyone is focusing on a provider and want to make sure it's a great date, I strongly suggest stopping at Sweetlands Candy on Plainfield before you see your girl.

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Just skip to number 4, no need to read the rest.
It always helps me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Benz1;4089405]I gave him a lot of info, for both escorts and MP he's still paying 225 per session with his girl once a month and happy too.[/QUOTE]That is crazy. LOL. Especially for someone even willing to see an escort in a Notel.

[QUOTE]He was more afraid of a sting operation or drug bust. He believes he is less likely to be caught in trap by going to a massage parlor. If anyone were to bust the massage parlor for anything he could always say he was just coming in for a massage and understood it to be a legitimate massage salon.[/QUOTE]Yes, makes sense. I believe that should be everyone's first 'play' on the field. But willing to go full hog for an escort at a Notel with a recommended gal just makes it more perplexing that he at least wouldn't be more open to cum down to earth for more realistic prices & endeavors. I agree that massage parlors are pretty much error-free zones. You don't have to worry about LE at all, just a neighbor seeing you parked there.

[QUOTE]I believe he's right maybe that's why the men going to massage parlors are willing to pay a little more to have that story in case they're ever caught. Granted it's a lame story, it is better than being caught in a hotel room with a escort.[/QUOTE]It is. But it's not that he's willing to pay more for less (MP vs Escort). He's paying Way too much more within that zone of massage parlors. Yikes. That's the real WTH situation.

You don't need a hobby phone if, say, a friend points you to a massage parlor he goes to with a girl he sees, she works out, and that's all you're going to do. But if you are going to dabble around to the parlors and have a significant other, you'll definitely want one. And if you're going to dabble in the escort arena, you'll want one even if you're single. But some people think it's more complicated than it is, not being fans of 'change' or anything.

A hobby phone is cheaper & less complicated to have than one may think, just as landing a gal who does things nicely at a much lower price is. Butt, like some gals out there who are stuck in their ways with their POVs, so can the (newbie) customers once they see something they like.