"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2299403]Completely understand. I'm typing this on my phone as I walk to a meeting (work not pleasure).

Besides you're probably busy juggling multiple sb s as well.[/QUOTE]Wish that were my excuse, but sadly, I'm in my dormant stage at the moment. No contact with any SBs. I ramp all that activity up when I'm in a position to act on it. I used to keep a few lingering SB contacts, some of whom would send me e-mails once every few weeks asking if I was ready to meet or not, but I found that they eventually either move away, get a boyfriend, or whatever, so when I get a chance to play around I just look at what's currently out there and start working from there.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2299437][URL]http://nostringsattached.com/[/URL]

Claims to have 3 MM members.[/QUOTE]Just TOFTT.

Not impressed. Can't really search the members even after you pay. YOu can get local results, close to you, but at least in my area, most of them say they haven't logged in in months.

By comparison, on SA, there's about 10, maybe 15 that currently log in every day, every couple days. SO they are at least active. THe ones on NSA, seem to be old or something.

ANd there's no way to filter the search results to only those that have been on the site in the last X days or something. On SA you can filter the results to the "most recently active" or something like that.

Save your $$, unless you just want to blow 30 bucks and if you do, make sure you go into your billing history / account section and turn off "auto renew" if you don't like the site, or you'll get dinged again next month.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2299878]Just TOFTT.

Not impressed. Can't really search the members even after you pay. YOu can get local results, close to you, but at least in my area, most of them say they haven't logged in in months.

By comparison, on SA, there's about 10, maybe 15 that currently log in every day, every couple days. SO they are at least active. THe ones on NSA, seem to be old or something.

ANd there's no way to filter the search results to only those that have been on the site in the last X days or something. On SA you can filter the results to the "most recently active" or something like that.

Save your $$, unless you just want to blow 30 bucks and if you do, make sure you go into your billing history / account section and turn off "auto renew" if you don't like the site, or you'll get dinged again next month.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the hit.

And thanks for TOFTT. I had the same impression. Most profiles were of women over 30 and inactive. You cannot see anything before you pay and it sounds like not a lot more after you pay.

RB.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2299878]Just TOFTT.

Not impressed. Can't really search the members even after you pay. YOu can get local results, close to you, but at least in my area, most of them say they haven't logged in in months.

ANd there's no way to filter the search results to only those that have been on the site in the last X days or something. On SA you can filter the results to the "most recently active" or something like that.

Save your $$, unless you just want to blow 30 bucks [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Almighty;2299878]Just TOFTT.

Not impressed. Can't really search the members even after you pay. YOu can get local results, close to you, but at least in my area, most of them say they haven't logged in in months. By comparison, on SA, there's about 10, maybe 15 that currently log in every day, every couple days. SO they are at least active. THe ones on NSA, seem to be old or something.
[/QUOTE]More than once I've thought, if I were the owner of a successful dating site, since there's no way to patent or protect the concept from competition, what sort of strategy could I employ to stay in business? The most effective one I could come up with would be to completely saturate cyberspace with lots of useless knock-off sites that do little more than send people running back to the main site. I'm not saying the owner of SA owns that particular site or any of other alternative sites, I'm just saying it could be a very useful tactic for preventing competitor efforts from succeeding.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2299878]Just TOFTT.

Not impressed. Can't really search the members even after you pay. YOu can get local results, close to you, but at least in my area, most of them say they haven't logged in in months.

By comparison, on SA, there's about 10, maybe 15 that currently log in every day, every couple days. SO they are at least active. THe ones on NSA, seem to be old or something.

ANd there's no way to filter the search results to only those that have been on the site in the last X days or something. On SA you can filter the results to the "most recently active" or something like that.

Save your $$, unless you just want to blow 30 bucks and if you do, make sure you go into your billing history / account section and turn off "auto renew" if you don't like the site, or you'll get dinged again next month.[/QUOTE]Thank you Sir!! Well done!!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2300400]More than once I've thought, if I were the owner of a successful dating site, since there's no way to patent or protect the concept from competition, what sort of strategy could I employ to stay in business? The most effective one I could come up with would be to completely saturate cyberspace with lots of useless knock-off sites that do little more than send people running back to the main site. I'm not saying the owner of SA owns that particular site or any of other alternative sites, I'm just saying it could be a very useful tactic for preventing competitor efforts from succeeding.[/QUOTE]Having worked directly and as a 3rd party contractor for every major and most minor dating sites on the net for the last 10 years, including all the major SD sites, I can tell you that what you have postulated is rare but not unheard of. Its mostly relegated to the "get laid tonite" or "fuck a MILF tonite" type of operators. Those sites typically have a 100 to 1 ratio of men to women. They are BS and there is never a reason to join them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2300964]Having worked directly and as a 3rd party contractor for every major and most minor dating sites on the net for the last 10 years, including all the major SD sites, I can tell you that what you have postulated is rare but not unheard of. Its mostly relegated to the "get laid tonite" or "fuck a MILF tonite" type of operators. Those sites typically have a 100 to 1 ratio of men to women. They are BS and there is never a reason to join them.[/QUOTE]I know Brandon Wade owns SA, WhatsYourPrice, and MissTravel. I'm sure the two lesser used sites are probably more legitimate attempts to diversify his line than they are to be red herrings that help diffuse competitive attempts, but the line is a little blurry there in my opinion. I have no insider knowledge or reason to believe he has connections to any of the other sites. I do believe however that if he was deploying the tactic I mentioned, I'm sure he would create spin off companies in ways that made it hard to link back to him. For example [URL]PassTheSugar.com[/URL], which mysteriously was mentioned pretty much out of the clear blue on a recent daytime talk show with a broad audience has sketchy / missing contact info and does not mention much about the holding corp. Makes one wonder. I don't know where they came from but they must have some serious marketing muscle to get it mentioned on the air like that. This was on The Doctors. It even sounded like one of the doctors (the black girl with the blonde hair) was almost endorsing the practice of sugar-babying, defending it by indicating there was nothing new or abnormal about young girls looking for lifestyle upgrades from older wealthy men. I bet she's been an SB once or twice herself, maybe it even put her through med school.

GPS rules the day.

Pot #1 (ex).

9/9 mixed 20 yr old wants $1500/ week. You can't make this stuff up. Went dark after I countered. My guess is that these girls have valued their pussies based on the BS they are reading in these girlie blogs. I've read some of the crap and they say "real" SDs will pay $3000 to 5000 minimum / month. Maybe they are but the girls who want "no sex" and big bucks are still on the site every day, so I guess they haven't found that elusive rich daddy yet. They will not prostitute themselves for less than that number.

Pot #2.

8/8 20 yr old so far willing to meet in the FC for $$ . Need to do the M&G 1st.

Pot #3.

Most likely prospect is 40 something and 9/9 /? M&G on the books and I am actually looking forward to her. She sounds like she has her shit together but I am fearful that she will demand high dollar. I decided not to discuss $ before hand. Hollywood, this one looks like your fantasy to nab a MILF.

These young girls seem to be harder to nail down in my market. I suspect the competition is tighter and money offers are higher.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2301507]

9/9 mixed 20 yr old wants $1500/ week. You can't make this stuff up. Went dark after I countered. My guess is that these girls have valued their pussies based on the BS they are reading in these girlie blogs. I've read some of the crap and they say "real" SDs will pay $3000 to 5000 minimum / month. [/QUOTE]One of the things I establish early on (usually right in my profile) is that I prefer to be contacted by SBs who are mature enough to understand the difference between a REAL SB / SD arrangement and the hyped fantasy version that you see on TV.

I don't know to what extent it has acted as a bullshit filter and saved me from time wasters, because of course if it really put anyone off I would never hear from them or know that it worked. But I do hear a lot of them trying to convince me right off the bat how mature they are for their age (especially in the 18-22 range). They always have this vision of themselves as very level-headed, but at that age rarely are.

I have had some of them try to test the market by saying "well I've done this before and gotten $1500 for a weekend". And, these were stunners at the upper end so it's possible someone did pay them that for a weekend. But I quickly tell them I'm not interested in committing to that much time with someone I just met, nor paying that much.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2301507]I decided not to discuss $ before hand. Hollywood, this one looks like your fantasy to nab a MILF.[/QUOTE]I was thinking about just messaging every hot MILF within 30 miles of me to see what happens and then post the results. I already know its going to be a joke. But if I get bored over my Christmas vacation maybe I'll do it. In seven years of trying I had 2 positive responses from super hot MILF's. One was too far away (about 60 miles) and the other one I fucked up and didn't follow up fast enough.

I got a frantic call from an SD last night asking if I knew a certain girl. This girl was my worst SB experience ever in some ways. She has ensconced herself in the poor guys house and started hoarding obsessively. He said he spent 15 k in the last month and couldn't get rid of her. I told him to call the police, have her arrested (she has warrants) and then throw all her shit in storage (under his name). She will never make the payments and lose everything he bought her. The bill will be in his name but after they sell her shit he would just have to pay the balance to avoid it going on his credit report.

I had to do this myself when I had her here. There are some psycho chics out there. But it's still cheaper than being married.

My biggest problem in the last 2 months. My newest princess thought I owed her an extra $ after 10 dates. I kept track and I had actually overpaid her 40 dollars. This included all meals, trips to the store and the cash paid out combined to an average of $ per date. Live and learn. I have her at a 7/9/10/10 at this point. Cute enough, killer spinner body, always happy, and an insatiable porn star in the FC. She is the first girl I have not been able to outfuck in years. Not counting the above mentioned psycho and one that had a never being able to cum problem. My new girl never stops cumming and never wants to stop. But after 2 hours has no complaints and neither do I.

After The Big Fail the other night, my SO wanted to follow up on how different sex is for women than men. So I was on the receiving end of this treatise on how much effort it is to work up to it (uh, ok), then the cleanup afterward (well, ok, yeah, but it's not like the guy doesn't have some of that too), and how it's just such a Big Deal (tm). Which if you have nearly zero sex drive, ok, I suppose I can't argue with any of that. And I'm not a woman, so I wouldn't know.

Yet today my SB had no trouble "working up to" ripping my pants off, and going at it for hours on end, with at least a 4:1 orgasm ratio. And if we had more time she was definitely up for more. I feel bad, as my background stress level is so high these days that I have trouble keeping up with her.

But it's just amazing how much having an actual sex drive makes those pesky logistical details fade into the background noise.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2302213]After The Big Fail the other night, my SO wanted to follow up on how different sex is for women than men. So I was on the receiving end of this treatise on how much effort it is to work up to it (uh, ok), then the cleanup afterward (well, ok, yeah, but it's not like the guy doesn't have some of that too), and how it's just such a Big Deal (tm). Which if you have nearly zero sex drive, ok, I suppose I can't argue with any of that. And I'm not a woman, so I wouldn't know.

Yet today my SB had no trouble "working up to" ripping my pants off, and going at it for hours on end, with at least a 4:1 orgasm ratio. And if we had more time she was definitely up for more. I feel bad, as my background stress level is so high these days that I have trouble keeping up with her.

But it's just amazing how much having an actual sex drive makes those pesky logistical details fade into the background noise.[/QUOTE]I would say the average SB has an above average sex drive. I also think the average SD has an above average sex drive. Or at least the willingness to do something about whatever level of sex drive they do have. Something most guys wont do. But this game is no different than any other. The more you work at it the better you get. And with SB's the reward far outweighs the risk or the necessity to settle for less.

Totally off the subject. I was thinking all this time what a no game loser Bill Cosby was until I saw something on TV about Somnophilia. I guess he could have paid girls to pretend they were sleeping (or easily found some willing girls to role play) but maybe that wasn't enough for the guy (he had to have the real thing).

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2302213]After The Big Fail the other night, my SO wanted to follow up on how different sex is for women than men. So I was on the receiving end of this treatise on how much effort it is to work up to it (uh, ok), then the cleanup afterward (well, ok, yeah, but it's not like the guy doesn't have some of that too), and how it's just such a Big Deal (tm). Which if you have nearly zero sex drive, ok, I suppose I can't argue with any of that. And I'm not a woman, so I wouldn't know.

Yet today my SB had no trouble "working up to" ripping my pants off, and going at it for hours on end, with at least a 4:1 orgasm ratio. And if we had more time she was definitely up for more. I feel bad, as my background stress level is so high these days that I have trouble keeping up with her.

But it's just amazing how much having an actual sex drive makes those pesky logistical details fade into the background noise.[/QUOTE]When I read your prior story, I was too busy to comment at the time I read it, but hoped to remember to come back around and comment on it. Unfortunately I forgot to do so, so as fate will have it your second mention of it reminded me to come back to this. I guess everyone's experience varies, but I don't know of anyone who is in a marriage or a long-term live-together relationship for any length of time where the sexual magic doesn't dissipate far quickly than anyone wants it to. The same is true of my own relationship. My GF is okay (not great) in bed and never denies me sex. I have this thing about dreaming about sex and waking up in the middle of the night with a boner that needs resolving, and I'm sometimes amazed that she just accommodates without complaining about missing sleep or whatever. But, sex with her is not something I look forward to all day. Even if she was amazingly skilled and horny 24/7, the dissipation of excitement would still occur over time, because of lack of variety. There's really no getting around it. So, if it makes you feel any better I'd just consider it a normal part of marriage. I really think that anyone who wants to get married understands that it is not a ticket to free, easy sex. Quite the opposite -- it is basically saying there are so many other qualities about this woman that make you want to be with her that you are willing to give up great sex (because it's simply non-sustainable in the long-term of being with the same person day after day).

I always say never take relationship advice from someone you meet on a monger forum, so take my opinion with a grain of salt of course but there it is. It sounds like you're getting what you need elsewhere, so I would just focus on risk mitigation and making sure you never get caught, then life is good.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2302249]My GF is okay (not great) in bed and never denies me sex. I have this thing about dreaming about sex and waking up in the middle of the night with a boner that needs resolving, and I'm sometimes amazed that she just accommodates without complaining about missing sleep or whatever. But, sex with her is not something I look forward to all day. Even if she was amazingly skilled and horny 24/7, the dissipation of excitement would still occur over time, because of lack of variety. There's really no getting around it. So, if it makes you feel any better I'd just consider it a normal part of marriage.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I didn't any illusions about marriage and sex, at least not when it became directly relevant. Our mismatch in sex drive was apparent pretty early, and as you say, it was counterbalanced by a lot of other positives. Right now we're in the throes of that relentless grind known as balancing careers with parenting, and the shared interests / activities that brought us together have long since left the building. Nothing challenges a relationship quite like kids, that's for damned sure. It saps you of all the things that used to keep you anchored, and piles on stresses that are unreal. But as you say, this isn't exactly a relationship advice forum.

While I'm empathize with the notion that abundance of sex does not substitute for quality, I'd like to think that if my SO were as accommodating as yours that the barrier to the bowl would have been much higher for me. Your SO at least makes the effort (and according to my SO, that's quite a bit of effort), which is commendable at the very least.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2302314]Yeah, I didn't any illusions about marriage and sex, at least not when it became directly relevant. Our mismatch in sex drive was apparent pretty early, and as you say, it was counterbalanced by a lot of other positives. Right now we're in the throes of that relentless grind known as balancing careers with parenting, and the shared interests / activities that brought us together have long since left the building. Nothing challenges a relationship quite like kids, that's for damned sure. It saps you of all the things that used to keep you anchored, and piles on stresses that are unreal. But as you say, this isn't exactly a relationship advice forum.

While I'm empathize with the notion that abundance of sex does not substitute for quality, I'd like to think that if my SO were as accommodating as yours that the barrier to the bowl would have been much higher for me. Your SO at least makes the effort (and according to my SO, that's quite a bit of effort), which is commendable at the very least.[/QUOTE]I always think sex drive is more psychological than physiological. In the early days of my sexual activity, I found myself bluntly pursuing sex, only to get turned down (which is of course easy to understand when its one 12 year old trying to bang another). Something I realized into my teens, though, is that the more I am in pursuit of it, the more they will resist. I don't even know if that's a female thing as much as human nature. Basically I've found women sometimes like to play the role of the chaser instead of the chased. I've got an entire repertoire of moves I've developed over the years (trade secrets that I think I will save for the book. LOL) that seem to work fairly consistently. The basic idea is not tricky or slick, it's just reverse psychology. Making them believe that you're indifferent to whether you have sex or not allows them to have enough mental elbow room to start noticing their own sexual urges. It doesn't always work, I've dated some that are just less sexual as a person than I am, and to that end they may always have relatively low sex drives, but sooner or later just before or just after their period (after seems more often) they do get horny, and if you can time this move right it can get the ball back in your court consistently.

If an example helps. Early on my current relationship, I realized my GF was not the horniest or most adventurous girl I ever dated. I was definitely happy with sex, but in some ways felt like I was dating a virgin compared to some of my previous GFs, or just someone real inexperienced. It's not that she doesn't like sex, she's just somewhat passive at it skill-wise. So, what I would do early on is try to preemptively jerk off on the days nearing her period. That way I'm less likely to randomly seek sex in the middle of the night. Sometime during that timeframe, she hit her "horny spell", just a hormonal thing that comes when it does and sort of hinted she was in the mood, so I just kind of begrudgingly go along, complaining a little bit about how tired I am. LOL. But, what happens at this point is she realize that sex is something that I can take or leave too. It's not this power that she holds over me, which is how a lot of women view it. So, she starts to place the same value on sex as I do, taking it as something that shouldn't really be taken for granted and that you cannot be sure you'll receive when you want it. Hope that makes sense -- it's just the act of turning it around and letting them pursue it once and a while. I've done pretty much the same thing with countless women in the past. I've used it to seal the deal with women who might have never let me bang them if I continued to pursue it.

Now, granted, that tactic usually has nothing to do with how I handle SBs so I may be drifting a bit here. And, also as you said adding kids into the mix can completely change the picture for a number of reasons, if nothing else just the sheer amount of time dealing with them takes and the stress they generate. So, I don't want to imply that this will produce results for everyone -- I've never had kids so I can only speculate. But, I do know it is human nature to want what we can't have, so whenever I get the chance to use that knowledge to my advantage and adjust their mind to the believe that sex is a mutual perk and not just something I want, it seems to work.

At least, I should say, that trick is what I think contributes to my girlfriend's willingness to put out and sometimes initiate screwing. I've even dated girls in the past who, after we broke up, would call me up and ask if we could get together for occasional fuck sessions, just because they occasionally got the urge -- that's a great feeling if only for the ego boost. These were the same girls who were resisting letting me in their pants at all when I first met them. I'm pretty sure the only reason that happens is because they perceive the desire for sex as evenly distributed. If they perceive an imbalance of desire, they will just resist by saying no.

Communicated with a 40 something married MILF on SA a month or so ago. I drive the Norfolk to DC I-95 corridor a couple of times a month and she lives along the way. Scheduled a M&G one week, followed by our first FC meeting two weeks later. Claims I am I am her third man ever. Met at a hotel and she was rocking, multi orgasmic and clearly deprived on the man stick. Continued convo after and I got a bit nasty talking about taking her back door. Said she had never done that, I said I was going to make it happen. She met me at hotel again tonight and we went at it like horny teenagers. I took her cherry ass as part of the process. I can't tell you what a thrill it was do her. I was careful and gentle but by the time we were at the end of the movie she was bucking back into me like her life depended on it. Took her to a nice dinner after, returned to the room and did it again. A great memory created. Taking the anal cherry of a married woman and having her love it was an incredible experience for an old guy like me. And I forgot to give her my gift when I sent her on her way. I had asked her to text me when she got home to make sure she arrived safely (we had shared an entire bottle of wine) and she never even mentioned it. Life is good (or at least tonight it is).

Never forget Biology 101. Women are genetically programmed to attract a sperm donor who will inseminate her and then protect the family while those progeny are being raised. After that is accomplished the game is over. She is done.

All women desire maintainence and support, married or not (sugars, mistresses, etc). Men spend an inordinant amount of money on them.

Ergo, why would we ever get married? Well, we operate on the basis of the optimal condition of love. Our new wives -to-be are still in the "got to have sex because they want babies " stage, and are taking care of business. Once the happy couple is esconced in suburban living with the white picket fence and have 2. 5 kids, life stresses hit and the sex tapers right on down and out.

What is to be done about it? Don't get married. Follow Hollywood's guide to non marital harmony. A sugar is dischargable without penalty such a alimony. So be a profssional Sugar Daddy which will work as long as the money is adequate to play the game. If you don't have any money, marry a girl with it.

If already married ,well ,we are all here aren't we ?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2302681]Never forget Biology 101. Women are genetically programmed to attract a sperm donor who will inseminate her and then protect the family while those progeny are being raised. After that is accomplished the game is over. She is done.
[/QUOTE]This is definitely what typically happens, and the physical reasons and causes for this are undeniable. However, what boggles the mind is the sheer quantity of these married women that have no problems with sex drive once they divorce or become separated. Some of the hottest and horniest sex I've ever had has been from single moms that no doubt became less interested in sex with their husbands while raising kids with them. So, for that reason, specific medical conditions withstanding, I believe it is way more psychological than (and therefore treatable by psychological means) than many realize.

But, as you said after the kids are raised they are often nearing menopausal symptoms and that is indeed a different story.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2302928]This is definitely what typically happens, and the physical reasons and causes for this are undeniable. However, what boggles the mind is the sheer quantity of these married women that have no problems with sex drive once they divorce or become separated. Some of the hottest and horniest sex I've ever had has been from single moms that no doubt became less interested in sex with their husbands while raising kids with them. So, for that reason, specific medical conditions withstanding, I believe it is way more psychological than (and therefore treatable by psychological means) than many realize.

But, as you said after the kids are raised they are often nearing menopausal symptoms and that is indeed a different story.[/QUOTE]Sex gets boring with the same partner after a while, therefore the partners get less caring about pleasing the other and the relationship spirals downhill. I do think women enjoy sex in the right circumstance -primarily when they are looking for support. Why is it that divorcees get separated, go to the gym, diet, and regain their attractive appearance and attitude? I am seeing my first MILF divorcee soon. We shall see. Call me cynical but the mental and physical quality is much improved in the 20's over the 40's.

Menopause? There is nothing good that happens sexually after that time of life except they can't get pregnant and therefore might be less inhibited.

By the way, men stop trying as well. We can get fat, slovenly, and stop trying to impress our mates, therefore turning them off. A new guy will have his best face on and will be better, at least for while.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2302958]Sex gets boring with the same partner after a while, therefore the partners get less caring about pleasing the other and the relationship spirals downhill. I do think women enjoy sex in the right circumstance -primarily when they are looking for support. Why is it that divorcees get separated, go to the gym, diet, and regain their attractive appearance and attitude? I am seeing my first MILF divorcee soon. We shall see. Call me cynical but the mental and physical quality is much improved in the 20's over the 40's.

Menopause? There is nothing good that happens sexually after that time of life except they can't get pregnant and therefore might be less inhibited.

By the way, men stop trying as well. We can get fat, slovenly, and stop trying to impress our mates, therefore turning them off. A new guy will have his best face on and will be better, at least for while.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that for both males and females, unexplainable weight gain seems to be almost the first symptom of being recently hitched. When I was married, there were times I definitely started slacking off at the gym, and felt that common feeling of entitlement or feeling licensed to let myself go. I don't know why we do it though. After that marriage, I told myself that no matter what I will never succumb to complacency again and allow myself and be one of "those people" who think that marriage (or a live-in relationship) is the end game and where taking care of ourselves stops. Getting too comfortable with our partner is often a death-wish in a relationship. Maybe one of the reasons things are still working with my GF is because I've applied lessons learned in the past. Within reason, I try to always behave the same way I would if it were someone I'd only known a couple of weeks. A good rule of thumb is that if it's a behavior you wouldn't reveal a professional colleague, think twice before getting too comfortable and revealing it to your partner, and never grow complacent for better longevity.

None of this really helps keep sex exciting though. As you said, that's going to decline just because of sheer lack of variety one way or another. One of the best things about the bowl, online dating in general, or even bar hopping is the sheer excitement of fucking someone who is almost a total stranger. I think that's one of the reasons these SBs do it -- sex without the strings of caring too much who the other person really is has an excitement to it that is impossible to match in any regular relationship, even with the boy of their dreams that is their own age.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2302681]Don't get married. Follow Hollywood's guide to non marital harmony. A sugar is dischargable without penalty such a alimony. So be a profssional Sugar Daddy which will work as long as the money is adequate to play the game.[/QUOTE]Nailed it exactly right. I've never been married and very likely never will be. I'm just not built to be in a long-term relationship like that. The sugar relationships are the only relationships for me and have been for a few years now.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298492]Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.

So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.[/QUOTE]Heard back from this POT again today, she was pushing pretty hard to see me for an overnight (she claims she has no place to stay right now). I would probably have seen her, except I already have a date with my regular SB. I offered to see the POT later tonight, but she never replied to my text. She claims to want to see me early next week, so we'll see. I'd really love to bang this girl at least once, she's definitely my type. If only she'd quit flaking out on me.

"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303339]"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL][/QUOTE]You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303339]"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, offer one 1 zero more. Just before the 100. If she's making more than 800 per week maybe she should be paying you.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2303481]You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?[/QUOTE]Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.

Check out #1901709 on SA. She is an interesting looking girl and can be yours for only $1500 / week. I can't even begin to think about what she could do to earn that. I'd be so happy with a different girl every week for 1/2 of that.

Hollywood chick: $100 + 00 ? Again, possibly / year but per date?

I think some of these babies throw a dream number out there that is enough make their year, and if some idiot pays it then good for them. It's like the old joke about the girl in the bar-you all know it "what do you think I am. We would all do something for the right price --right?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303600]Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.[/QUOTE]I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2303861]I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]The white girls here are a joke. I saw a cute one when I went out last night for dinner. She was sitting with her same age BF. And all I could think about was the 10 minute thrill ride she was going to get later. LOL. She was looking at me and my 25 year old date and I am sure a thought or 2 crossed her mind when our eyes met. And yes the black girls are so enthusiastic and far more skilled in my experience. There's that old saying about go dancing with a girl to figure out how good she will be in bed later. Which isn't really true. But on some level it is. And no white girl can move like a black girl on or off the dance floor IMHO.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2304051]The white girls here are a joke. I saw a cute one when I went out last night for dinner. She was sitting with her same age BF. And all I could think about was the 10 minute thrill ride she was going to get later. LOL. She was looking at me and my 25 year old date and I am sure a thought or 2 crossed her mind when our eyes met. And yes the black girls are so enthusiastic and far more skilled in my experience. There's that old saying about go dancing with a girl to figure out how good she will be in bed later. Which isn't really true. But on some level it is. And no white girl can move like a black girl on or off the dance floor IMHO.[/QUOTE]I heard about the correlation with dancing and sexual prowess a long time ago, and observed it to be true in some cases (but as you said, not all which nullifies the theory). One of my SBs was a little (Caucasian) stripper I met while she was working. She was really not talented as a dancer at all, and really lousy as far as professional strippers go, but still stunningly pretty, an ass and legs I will never forget, and most surprisingly was her blowjob skills. If you've ever had one of those BJs where you feel like you could cum right away and keep cumming every minute or so, and your body seems to separate itself from reality the moment your cock enters the girl's mouth because it just feels that good, well that's how good her BJ was. As far as I can tell she was just born with a very talented mouth, she wasn't trying extra hard to please and she was unaware how special she was with that. It's just the way she did it by her very nature. She didn't make a lot of noise or talk a lot of shit during sex, but the fucking was just as good as the oral. Still a lousy dancer though.

But, the reason the dancing theory is true a lot of the time isn't even what many people might think (I. E. Either tying either skill to race or physical theories like flexibility, etc.). I think it's just that girls that dance well in a club tend to be party people that go out a lot -- and in general sleep around more as a result. Both dancing and sex are skills that get better with practice, and the nightclub scene is a place where one can get lots of practice. Good dancers tend to know how to invest themselves emotionally in the moment, forget about everything else and make the most of where they are right then and there, and as it turns out doing the same thing will make you better at sex. But, there are always exceptions. I have known black girls who couldn't dance at all.

Most of my sexual history is made up of encounters with white, asian, latina, and mixed girls, but the black girls I've been with all exhibited certain traits. The traits I liked were that they all seemed really damn glad to know me -- they made me feel like a trophy and maybe in black culture dating a white guy is considered some sort of status symbol or special achievement? I don't know, only speculation here. In bed, they were REALLY in touch with what they liked. Whenever I did something they like, they weren't shy about asking me to keep doing it, and the hornier they are, and the more they cum then the more fun the sex session is. That's something that I do see in other demographics, but usually not until they know me much better and have had sex with me many times. Some women won't tell you at all, they prefer you just figure it out. The traits that I did not like in black women are that they come across as more needy, for example wanting to hang around long after daddy is done with his business to cuddle up or whatever, and that's usually not what I'm looking for. The other thing is that when in the SB role, they can tend to be reckless dinner and bar dates. By that, I mean they will order the most expensive item from the menu they can find, take a few bites out of it and then order something else like they are planning to sample the whole damn menu. I know you've got it streamlined so you skip the wine and dine activity, but I prefer my dates be someone who I can genuinely enjoy their company for a couple of hours before we go to the FC, and the juvenile behavior of acting like a nice restaurant is an all you can eat buffet is a real turn off to me for whatever reason. I am also a little bit choosier when it comes to black girls, in the sense that I like to see verified college girls or confirmed graduates starting their career. This is just because of the sheer number of pros / UTRs out there -- AA culture seems to be so much more tolerant (perhaps even encouraging) of them being a pro, and that's a turn off for me.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2304093]I heard about the correlation with dancing and sexual prowess a long time ago, and observed it to be true in some cases (but as you said, not all which nullifies the theory). One of my SBs was a little (Caucasian) stripper I met while she was working. She was really not talented as a dancer at all, and really lousy as far as professional strippers go, but still stunningly pretty, an ass and legs I will never forget, and most surprisingly was her blowjob skills. If you've ever had one of those BJs where you feel like you could cum right away and keep cumming every minute or so, and your body seems to separate itself from reality the moment your cock enters the girl's mouth because it just feels that good, well that's how good her BJ was. As far as I can tell she was just born with a very talented mouth, she wasn't trying extra hard to please and she was unaware how special she was with that. It's just the way she did it by her very nature. She didn't make a lot of noise or talk a lot of shit during sex, but the fucking was just as good as the oral. Still a lousy dancer though.

But, the reason the dancing theory is true a lot of the time isn't even what many people might think (I. E. Either tying either skill to race or physical theories like flexibility, etc.). I think it's just that girls that dance well in a club tend to be party people that go out a lot -- and in general sleep around more as a result. Both dancing and sex are skills that get better with practice, and the nightclub scene is a place where one can get lots of practice. Good dancers tend to know how to invest themselves emotionally in the moment, forget about everything else and make the most of where they are right then and there, and as it turns out doing the same thing will make you better at sex. But, there are always exceptions. I have known black girls who couldn't dance at all.

Most of my sexual history is made up of encounters with white, asian, latina, and mixed girls, but the black girls I've been with all exhibited certain traits. The traits I liked were that they all seemed really damn glad to know me -- they made me feel like a trophy and maybe in black culture dating a white guy is considered some sort of status symbol or special achievement? I don't know, only speculation here. In bed, they were REALLY in touch with what they liked. Whenever I did something they like, they weren't shy about asking me to keep doing it, and the hornier they are, and the more they cum then the more fun the sex session is. That's something that I do see in other demographics, but usually not until they know me much better and have had sex with me many times. Some women won't tell you at all, they prefer you just figure it out. The traits that I did not like in black women are that they come across as more needy, for example wanting to hang around long after daddy is done with his business to cuddle up or whatever, and that's usually not what I'm looking for. The other thing is that when in the SB role, they can tend to be reckless dinner and bar dates. By that, I mean they will order the most expensive item from the menu they can find, take a few bites out of it and then order something else like they are planning to sample the whole damn menu. I know you've got it streamlined so you skip the wine and dine activity, but I prefer my dates be someone who I can genuinely enjoy their company for a couple of hours before we go to the FC, and the juvenile behavior of acting like a nice restaurant is an all you can eat buffet is a real turn off to me for whatever reason. I am also a little bit choosier when it comes to black girls, in the sense that I like to see verified college girls or confirmed graduates starting their career. This is just because of the sheer number of pros / UTRs out there -- AA culture seems to be so much more tolerant (perhaps even encouraging) of them being a pro, and that's a turn off for me.[/QUOTE]BJ skills are all over the place. Definitely some of the best BJ's I ever had were from non AA girls. But for just straight up fucking no one can move their hips like a black girl. Also they are more in tune with the Dominant Daddy / Baby Girl dynamic (which is the only thing I am interested in). And as I eat out 7 days a week, most of my dining is at moderately priced local ethnic places that I can take anyone to. It's pretty hard to get reckless at a chinese restaurant. I usually just have one or at most 2 GF types to chill with. Between work and whoever is the designated GF of the moment I dont have much time for anything more than the FC for any other girl.

Ok, another week to report.

First, Saw and brought two SB's back to the FC. SB1 just flat out met me at the FC. We'd talked on the phone and texted for about a week. She's 44 and kind of big. But, she stayed about 4 hours and I fucked her 5 times. She was very enthusiastic. Not sure if that's enough to make up for the "big. " Best part is, it was free. She's just looking to get some on the side, no charge. She's in a live in relationship but supposedly is without physical contact. So, she's basically begging for it. Dunno if will repeat. Maybe if bored and no other prospects.

POT1, I've been texting and talking to on the phone for 2 weeks, 28, much better looking (according to her pics, and I FB stalked her and found her profile. Most of these chicks are way easy to track down who they really are). Same situation as above, live in relationship going nowhere, looking to "spice it up," (her words in a text). We text during the day, and she usually calls me on her way home from work and we talk the hour or so it takes her to drive home. Problem is, she lives about 1. 25 hours away. She was supposed to come down last Sunday and then Sunday, went phone / text silent. Monday, she texts her kid dropped her phone in the bathtub (why have the phone near the bathtub in the first place? And it fried it. She supposedly got a new one Monday and texted she was sorry. Ok, I'll give her a mulligan. She said she was free to come down to the FC tomorrow (Saturday) and we texted and talked and stuff this week like before. And then tonight at our 5 pm phone call she says she may have to work tomorrow. I began making other plans. Sure enough, I texted her and she said she found out about 8 pm she's got some conference call (I call bullshit) tomorrow from 8-10. Said "She might be able to come down after it ends. " Ehhhh, I'm not into "might be able's. " This is number two flake out on her, imo. So, I'm dialing it back. Be kind of standoffish. Pretend I'm not really waiting around on her. What's odd, is that the day after I started talking to her, she deactivated her profile on SA and hasn't been back on. That was two weeks ago. Dunno. She sounds like she'd be fun when we talk, but I'm getting the "strung along" vibe from her, so focus is shifting.

SB2, actually met for breakfast and then back to the FC for about 1. 5 hours. Only got her one time. And she just flat out brought up $$ and I said I was looking for 100 each time we meet. She said "Can't go any higher?" I countered with 120 and she said "it's Christmas. " I said I'd do 120 from now on, but today, I'd go 200 as an Christmas bonus. She was 28, pretty good body, but a bit skinny and not sure she was really into it. Felt more business like. Repeat turn may not happen.

POT2, flaked out earlier this week on a M&G, and so I gave her a mulligan, and we have a M&G tomorrow night. She seems eager on text, we'll see.

POT3 I had as a backup in case POT1 above flaked on tomorrow afternoon. So, when she flaked tonight, I bumped POT3 up into that slot. She's older, but supposedly wants to have some fun. We'll see.

Then, I had a couple discussions this week with about 3/4 ladies with terminal cases of GPS. These ladies may starve asking what they are asking. One was about an hour away, in BFE, and said to come to my place, was 500, plus 100 for gas. It's probably 120 miles roundtrip. She must be driving a model T or something. I said, Way out of my price range. We haggled a a bit and just left it at what it won't happen.

Another was also asking 500 a pop and I said nope. I have been using a line of "well, if you can get someone to pay 500 a meeting, you should be getting that from that dude, you don't need to be trying to see me. " I used it on both this one and the one above I mentioned. I'm respectful and polite but make it clear I'm not paying that kind of jack, and maybe we just need to explore other options. And both cases, the next day or so, they open back up a line of comm with "well, what can you pay. " I'm going to be wary of dealing with them.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2304399]But, she stayed about 4 hours and I fucked her 5 times. She was very enthusiastic. Not sure if that's enough to make up for the "big. " Best part is, it was free.

SB2, actually met for breakfast and then back to the FC for about 1. 5 hours. Only got her one time. And she just flat out brought up $$ and I said I was looking for 100 each time we meet. She said "Can't go any higher?" I countered with 120 and she said "it's Christmas. " I said I'd do 120 from now on, but today, I'd go 200 as an Christmas bonus. She was 28, pretty good body, but a bit skinny and not sure she was really into it. Felt more business like. Repeat turn may not happen.

Another was also asking 500 a pop and I said nope. I have been using a line of "well, if you can get someone to pay 500 a meeting, you should be getting that from that dude, you don't need to be trying to see me. " I used it on both this one and the one above I mentioned. I'm respectful and polite but make it clear I'm not paying that kind of jack, and maybe we just need to explore other options. And both cases, the next day or so, they open back up a line of comm with "well, what can you pay. " I'm going to be wary of dealing with them.[/QUOTE]The $$ girl will never see you for less than $$ again. The $$$$$ girls. Never reply or negotiate. Total waste of time. You got a freebee so that's cool. Helps lower the average for the month. Pics pics pics.

Was at a M&G with a pretty 20 why Latina at a local Starbucks last evening. Met her there and after about 15 minutes she says, "do you think you could give me a ride home after this? My mom is waiting in the car outside and I want to tell her she can go home. " I almost didn't know what to say because I totally was not expecting that comment, LOL. Was a little conflicted as well because some alarms were going off in my head telling me this wasn't normal. But, the little head won out and we visited the FC and then I dropped her off at home later. Kind of a crazy evening but in the end it worked out well. I'm still laughing this morning about it.

I am sure it has been covered before, but I am finding that one of the main pros of dating sbs who are under 21 is that they can't drink on dinner dates (there are so many other advantages, but I am speaking from a financial perspective).

The downside of course is that the wine does help loosen inhibitions, but then again, so does the sugar.

Hope you fellahs are enjoying your weekend. Moved from the m&g to a dinner date with both sbs. So I am 2/2. Not sure where things will go after dinner, but pot 2 appears is older and we have been exchanging about an email a day. I suspect that pot 1 may be a little hard to get into the FC, but we shall see. I almost didn't meet pot 2, and she turned out to be an AMAZING blonde with a killer body.

Pot 3 is a little crazy and very desperate for cash. Both good and bad. Have not done the m&g with her, but we shall see.

Life in the bowl is more stressful in certain ways because of the emotional requirements are so much more than mongering. But I guess that's why we do it, no?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2304433]The $$ girl will never see you for less than $$ again. The $$$$$ girls. Never reply or negotiate. Total waste of time. You got a freebee so that's cool. Helps lower the average for the month. Pics pics pics.[/QUOTE]Pics? Of the ones with GPS?

Here's one in my area. (I haven't texted, but just read her profile).

Her number is e4 b387 b6.

Relatively quiet week in the bowl but instructive nonetheless.

First, had a M&G with a young, weird art student who had been uber flaky via email, but somehow pulled it together long enough to meet. Except for dressing with a funky hat, wearing ginormous glasses and being perched on platform boots thus attracting a bit too much attention for my taste, she turned out to be much better looking than her picture. Fairly striking actually. Once again I allowed the M&G to last a bit too long (75 min) with two rounds of cocktails. We finally got to business as I walked her to the subway line. She wants $500 per meet and can offer her dorm room. I said I'd think about it and have since counter-offered via messages, but haven't heard back. Sadly, she may actually be able to get $500 per meet from other SDs, so I'm not holding my breath.

Second, I've been experimenting with being way more direct with both my expectation for sex and my level of financial support in the early message exchange. That has had the expected dual effect of quickly filtering out those where there's a mismatch, and getting the uncomfortable bit out of the way for those that stick around. Now working on a POT who recently moved to Boston. But with the holiday period staring, I doubt I'll have time before one of you hook her up.

Third, the hot MILF I did in my car never got back to me, so it appears to be once and done. Go figure.

Fourth, the tall model and fitness girls have gone silent. And the domme has deleted her profile. And a little asian girl I'd been talking to has changed her profile from Boston to NY then to LA. Traveling pro?

Finally, I was set for finally visiting the FC with that nursing student I've gone out with three times. Early in the week she did warn me that our date was going to fall when she'd expect her period and she let me decide whether to hold or cancel. Sure enough, the day before she told me the FC was out of the question but wanted to meet anyway. Not being able to come up with plan be on that short notice, I took her out for dessert which she enjoyed. That girl has obviously never been near money and hardly knows how to order in a restaurant, but she enjoys learning about how to order wine. I don't dislike the mentoring aspect at all to be honest. In any case, that remains on simmer until next time.

SM.

So do any other fellow members in the bowl worry about sbs that seem a little too eager to meet without seeing any pics, and who are willing to go straight to the FC?

I have a pot who reached out to me and indicated she was willing to meet up. I threw out the idea of getting together for coffee, and offered to text her my pics. She responds that she's prefers to meet up at a hotel first.

While I intend to take some obvious precautions (e. G. Won't book the hotel until I actually see that she is the person in her profile, intend on using cash, will ask to see I'd to verify she is 18, etc.) it does leave me a bit perplexed. In the back of my head (the big one) I can't but help wonder if this is going to turn into some extortion scam, or if in the middle of our time together there might be a knock on the hotel room door with someone claiming to be her father or boyfriend?

Have any of you ever been in a situation where things went terribly south like that? As a monger I have been in my fair share of awkward situations, but would prefer not making the local news.

Any advice would be appreciated. Also, the POT is smoking hot in her pictures, and her profile leads me to beleive she might be quite a bit of fun, fits what I am looking for, and she seems to be into meeting a random older guy. My little head is telling me that this one might be the perfect sb for me and the beginning of a wonderful ... friendship.

Otherwise, I would probably be too wary too meet her. The forum's thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2305643]So do any other fellow members in the bowl worry about sbs that seem a little too eager to meet without seeing any pics, and who are willing to go straight to the FC?
[/QUOTE]Most likely just and UTR girl. There are quite a few on SA / SD4 M. That can be fun, but not as good as a true non-pro SB. If her pictures are TOO hot, they may be fake.