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Let your Lady pick the girl for the 3 sum. Someone that she is attracted to and feels comfortable with. If you don't, and you pick the girl, it's a 99% chance the whole thing will be a shit show. So much so, that your Lady will no longer want to see you either! You were warned! Take the free, experienced advice.
NJ.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4077956]I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.[/QUOTE]So glad that me and the guys were able to play a small part in the playtime with Wynter😀! I have faith that of anyone, Benz will surely be able to talk things out and get her polished up to be a reasonably priced and good provider to go along with that great ass, it does look yummy!!
[QUOTE=Naughty12;4077520]I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?[/QUOTE]My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck!
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4071083]Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.[/QUOTE]Grizzly I provide morning services if you need assistance in the mornings let me know please message me here.
Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?
[QUOTE=Aman200;4078190]My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck![/QUOTE]I normally post out of BC and Kalamazoo. I had a similar situation about a decade or so back. I had a girlfriend that was bi and we had luck at bars. My girlfriend was insanely hot (way out of my league) and she would just approach other hot girls at the bar and strike up a conversation or approach them on the dance floor and start dancing with them. I always found it was easier for her to seal the deal. When I tried I was a perv, but when she did it it almost always worked. It was awesome for me, as I got to have the occasional 3 way with two hot girls. I eventually had to move on because she started doing heavy drugs.
One thing I would suggest is having ground rules before going in. My ex GF had two rules, I could not do DATY or Greek on the other girl.
[QUOTE=White300;4080901]Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Given this one many a time without complaint. Most common response is positive on the power.
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So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?
[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082584]So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?[/QUOTE]Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.
[QUOTE=Pete3854;4082608]Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.[/QUOTE]And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Opui812;4082638]And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.[/QUOTE] I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on [URL]www.usaadultclassifieds.nl[/URL] Most can be contacted through USA Pm.
Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.
[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082584]So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger01;4082740]Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.[/QUOTE]Mine is a ZTE smart TracFone from Dollar general.
Comes with FB already loaded
It has enough room to load talk text apps on it too. Convenient for free WiFi communication and negotiation with a provider you plan to call using your real hobby phone number offering her 10 more than the terrible offer you made with your WiFi app. They usually respond to the 10 higher. Lol
My hobby phone will not post a pic on this site
I also have a hobby Laptop at work, for storing pics and posting them on USA. Life in the hobby is good.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4082670]I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on [URL]www.usaadultclassifieds.nl[/URL] Most can be contacted through USA Pm.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.
[QUOTE=JMaul;4082783]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.[/QUOTE]Here is where a problem with that lies.
If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.
None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.
But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.
It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.
In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?
Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.
Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.