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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2295429]Got one about 6 years ago. Changed my life.[/QUOTE]Really I had a second one after a small problem with the sutures on one side. 1st was in office the second under the gas and I would gladly get two more then deal with babies. Strange that I have had 2 different SB's tell me that we were having a BABY! Needless to say, surgery records ruined it.
[QUOTE=DogSun;2295406]Question for the guys having unprotected sex with their sb's. Do all of you have vasectomies, or are you just praying that she's telling the truth about being on birth control? I hate condoms, and usually need to be finished off orally, but I think I would be a nervous wreck after each unprotected encounter.[/QUOTE]I can't do PIV. Or anywhere else. With a condom. I didn't start to play until after my divorce and have found most SB's very receptive to BB after I've shown them my paperwork.
[QUOTE=DogSun;2295406]Question for the guys having unprotected sex with their sb's. Do all of you have vasectomies, or are you just praying that she's telling the truth about being on birth control? I hate condoms, and usually need to be finished off orally, but I think I would be a nervous wreck after each unprotected encounter.[/QUOTE]Having inordinately promiscuous habits since my early teens, including some seriously wild bar hopping years, I've only used condoms maybe 10% of the time and still not had any STD problems. Many of those girls I wouldn't have been able to tell you their first name 48 hours after banging them, much less now. I have gone through the unwanted pregnancy scare though, and fortunately in the most severe case (where it was confirmed positive), there was also a confirmed abortion. The pregnancy thing worries me more than STDs.
Anyone tried the Pass the Sugar website yet? I just saw it mentioned on TV and wondered if anyone here had tried it.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2295737]Having inordinately promiscuous habits since my early teens, including some seriously wild bar hopping years, I've only used condoms maybe 10% of the time and still not had any STD problems. Many of those girls I wouldn't have been able to tell you their first name 48 hours after banging them, much less now. I have gone through the unwanted pregnancy scare though, and fortunately in the most severe case (where it was confirmed positive), there was also a confirmed abortion. The pregnancy thing worries me more than STDs.[/QUOTE]I absolutely hate a blowjob with a condom. In 30 years of picking up strange women on the street, bars, internet etc. And getting a blow job (I insist on no condom) I have yet to pick up any kind of disease. Blow jobs are relatively safe. Plus I like cumming in a womans mouth. Then I usually get rid of them until next time. Don't want them hanging around or getting too close. On the other hand if it does get to full sex I will use a condom. I don't know where these broads have been and most of the time they are seeing many partners especially the hookers. I'll never fuck a SW, only if I happen to find a drunk at a bar or just an easy score then I will wear a condom. That's the personal safety side. Plus I don't like the idea of abortions or other terrible things that happen with unwanted pregnancies. So that's why I wear a condom. I'm just saying my opinion and not judging anyone. Plus I don't want my past haunting me neither.
[QUOTE=GetLost;2295764]I absolutely hate a blowjob with a condom. In 30 years of picking up strange women on the street, bars, internet etc. And getting a blow job (I insist on no condom) I have yet to pick up any kind of disease. Blow jobs are relatively safe. Plus I like cumming in a womans mouth. Then I usually get rid of them until next time. Don't want them hanging around or getting too close. On the other hand if it does get to full sex I will use a condom. I don't know where these broads have been and most of the time they are seeing many partners especially the hookers. I'll never fuck a SW, only if I happen to find a drunk at a bar or just an easy score then I will wear a condom. That's the personal safety side. Plus I don't like the idea of abortions or other terrible things that happen with unwanted pregnancies. So that's why I wear a condom. I'm just saying my opinion and not judging anyone. Plus I don't want my past haunting me neither.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested in hookers at all. If I did have sex with hookers I would use a condom, but I just don't like condoms or high volume sex pros.
So just for the record I wasn't suggesting anyone should have sex with pros unprotected. That's a high-risk activity to be sure. The girls I've been with are usually not angels, but not high risk / high volume girls either.
Gents, been a while since I posted to Jackson's site. Been busy enjoying the hobby but decided to take a break from the oThER one. Found myself pulled into SA because of numerous recent emails that got sent to my hobby email account. The bowl is unreal. Sorry to the rest of the SDs in the mid Atlantic region. One more SD hopefully won't skew the law of supply and demand. Besides my budget is limited and I'm in the busy sesason for work.
Already have three m&g's set up after one week of being a member. Actually double booked, but the later request was much hotter. No sugar discussed up front for any of the three m&g's. Thank goodness for Jackson and this forum. Still trying to figure out if other cities have similar forums, but based on my search and the varied location of some of our friends who contribute, it appears that isn't the case.
I know I need to rtff (made it to pg. 20 so far), but I had a few quick and innocuous questions. What does Gps stand for? Also any concerns about picking up an sb in your car? I have all precautions in place that transfer easily from my other hobby. E. g. Burner phone, separate email, etc, but my fear is encountering a crazy sb who then has my plates. Probably paranoid, and easy ways to deal with the situation (e. G. Pick a date spot she can walk or mass transit to, offer to pay for taxi, etc.) But just wondering what the forums thoughts are on this.
And as another contributor put so well, now that I have checked in, I fear that it may not be possible to check out.
Time will only tell. Happy hunting fellahs and happy holidays.
The fish.
So, I've got my regular SB and also had a couple on the hook for M&Gs. One was a 19 year old college student (tennis player) who kept pushing me out until finals were done late last week. The other POT was a 29 yr old who works as a dancer (I can hear the groaning. You don't have to tell me to watch out on this one. I know) but wants to get out of that life. All 3, including the SB have suddenly gone completely silent. I'm not pushing but there's almost a part of me that's now paranoid that somehow they all found out about each other or like there's a flag now on my account from a jilted past SB ratting me out. I know I'm just being silly but do any of you ever get that feeling that somehow your info is now out there and they're all steering clear? LOL.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2296243]Gents, been a while since I posted to Jackson's site. Been busy enjoying the hobby but decided to take a break from the oThER one. Found myself pulled into SA because of numerous recent emails that got sent to my hobby email account. The bowl is unreal. Sorry to the rest of the SDs in the mid Atlantic region. One more SD hopefully won't skew the law of supply and demand. Besides my budget is limited and I'm in the busy sesason for work.
Already have three m&g's set up after one week of being a member. Actually double booked, but the later request was much hotter. No sugar discussed up front for any of the three m&g's. Thank goodness for Jackson and this forum. Still trying to figure out if other cities have similar forums, but based on my search and the varied location of some of our friends who contribute, it appears that isn't the case.
I know I need to rtff (made it to pg. 20 so far), but I had a few quick and innocuous questions. What does Gps stand for? Also any concerns about picking up an sb in your car? I have all precautions in place that transfer easily from my other hobby. E. g. Burner phone, separate email, etc, but my fear is encountering a crazy sb who then has my plates. Probably paranoid, and easy ways to deal with the situation (e. G. Pick a date spot she can walk or mass transit to, offer to pay for taxi, etc.) But just wondering what the forums thoughts are on this.
And as another contributor put so well, now that I have checked in, I fear that it may not be possible to check out.
Time will only tell. Happy hunting fellahs and happy holidays.
The fish.[/QUOTE]GPS means "Golden Pussy Syndrome. " It refers to a woman who thinks she is worth above-market amounts of money. Usually an older woman but not always. The only time I might pick up an SB in my car is if we are going to dinner and not always then. More often, we are meeting at a hotel or her apartment. In both cases, we arrive separately and she never needs to know what my car is. If I ever give a ride to an SB, I make sure my glove box is locked. I am lucky enough to have more than one car and most of them are fairly anonymous (e. G. Camry.) To protect your identity, you should follow the normal practice of leaving real phone, wallet, etc locked in the trunk. Take only what you need to the meeting.
RB.
I had read about SD needing variety, but never thought that would be me. I have had one steady SB for several months now that is awesome. She recently got a boyfriend and told me about it and I thought that might be the end of the arrangement. She said I keep that part of my life separate from him!! It did get me thinking about what I would do if she had stopped seeing me, so I rejoined SA and found another one that I am to see on Monday. We have already agreed on the amount of sugar and to go to her place after the M&G. I like that she has her own apartment!! Then I got a message on SA from a gal that lives 30 minutes from me in a town where I used to live. Her location listed on SA is 5 hours away. I have chatted with her and am tempted, but fear discovery with her being so close. The others are hours away and I see them when I travel. The one close is 31 and looks stunning in her facial photos and clothed, but has had several children and I am worried it might have damaged her lower section. 2 weeks ago I was happy with one and now have the possibility of three! Am I just a dirty old man??
[QUOTE=RedBred;2296410]GPS means "Golden Pussy Syndrome. " It refers to a woman who thinks she is worth above-market amounts of money. Usually an older woman but not always. The only time I might pick up an SB in my car is if we are going to dinner and not always then. More often, we are meeting at a hotel or her apartment. In both cases, we arrive separately and she never needs to know what my car is. If I ever give a ride to an SB, I make sure my glove box is locked. I am lucky enough to have more than one car and most of them are fairly anonymous (e. G. Camry.) To protect your identity, you should follow the normal practice of leaving real phone, wallet, etc locked in the trunk. Take only what you need to the meeting.
RB.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info.
[QUOTE=BigLick90;2296330]So, I've got my regular SB and also had a couple on the hook for M&Gs. One was a 19 year old college student (tennis player) who kept pushing me out until finals were done late last week. The other POT was a 29 yr old who works as a dancer (I can hear the groaning. You don't have to tell me to watch out on this one. I know) but wants to get out of that life. All 3, including the SB have suddenly gone completely silent. I'm not pushing but there's almost a part of me that's now paranoid that somehow they all found out about each other or like there's a flag now on my account from a jilted past SB ratting me out. I know I'm just being silly but do any of you ever get that feeling that somehow your info is now out there and they're all steering clear? LOL.[/QUOTE]Read your post and wondered if there might be a parallel SB forum like the one we have here where the girls share intel about guys. Thought about it though and find it less likely, or if it does exist, probably not as useful. In my experience, the other gender is more capable in some ways, but not very good at teamwork.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2295738]Anyone tried the Pass the Sugar website yet? I just saw it mentioned on TV and wondered if anyone here had tried it.[/QUOTE]Just signed up based on your letting us know about it. Only two pots showing within 50 miles of my geo. Neither making Johnson excited. If anything comes of it I will report.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2296243]And as another contributor put so well, now that I have checked in, I fear that it may not be possible to check out.
[/QUOTE]You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave!
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2296973]Read your post and wondered if there might be a parallel SB forum like the one we have here where the girls share intel about guys. Thought about it though and find it less likely, or if it does exist, probably not as useful. In my experience, the other gender is more capable in some ways, but not very good at teamwork.[/QUOTE]There was one years ago. But nothing like this. And it didn't last.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2296995]There was one years ago. But nothing like this. And it didn't last.[/QUOTE]I might still enjoy reading what they were saying. Do you by any chance remember where it was located?
Thanks,
RB.
[QUOTE=RedBred;2297538]I might still enjoy reading what they were saying. Do you by any chance remember where it was located?
Thanks,
RB.[/QUOTE]After looking for a bit I found a ton of blogs and sites. Google some combo of words like sugar daddy fake blog pots, etc.
[URL]http://www.mysecretarrangement.com/blog/[/URL]
There are just too many advice sites and blogs out there now. Some of it was pretty funny reading. But the gist of it seemed mostly geared to GPS activity or the lack thereof, or the desire to find it. LOL.
I think this whole sugar thing is now at a tipping point as far as every young girl now knows its an option. They are are all going to at least try it once, as it is now almost a right of passage. Being 60 never looked so good. For you younger guys (35 to 50) you have no idea how much your options will increase as you get older.
I will assume most guys on here are on the studly side at least as far as performance goes. The first date is mostly (or at least 50%), going to be closed with sugar. So don't send sexy pics (never a dick pic) and just get to the FC asap. When you surprise the hell out of them with your skills you have now basically double closed them. Its like shock and awe for these girls that have only fucked young guys. I had an x once say to me she had the best 5 minutes of sex ever on a date with some hot young guy. That's the reality these girls have to deal with on a daily basis. The more experienced guys already know this but for you newer guys do not underestimate your powers. A GPS or UTR girl will not really care (even if they appreciate the ride) but an innocent NP will fall in lust faster than you can say "what was your name again?"
Fucking much older guys can be an acquired taste, a fantasy or a permanent reality after just one date. Mostly they will go back an forth hoping to find a cute young guy that can last long enough for them to even cum once. And a considerate younger guy will sometimes try to make it up to them in other ways. But I find that no matter how much any girl likes cumming from oral or fingering, that nothing makes a more lasting impression than them being able to move any way they want for as long as they want on dick.
So eat right when you can, get some exercise even if its only in the FC, take your vitamins and never underestimate the power of equal amounts of sugar and dick. If you are not getting the type of relationship you are looking for with that recipe, then its time to move on to the next girl.
Gents,
Another interesting week in the bowl. It had its fair share of flakes not worth discussing here except for perhaps one. This "Alexa" who had gone silent a month ago drops me a SA message telling me that she's free today if I'd like to meet her. Being genuinely busy, I cannot generally turn on a dime like that and told her. Also, in the past she's had a habit of having last minute conditions like wanting more detailed pictures as I'm about to jump in the car. Moreover, I noticed her profile's expectation range ratcheted up a few notches. Anyway, I presented her with two other options to meet and she has gone dormant yet again. Should she resurface I'll simply offer $x for why and see. She's obviously not a planner.
The real interesting part of my week is what happened next. A new POT reached out to me and quickly became suggestive and witty via messages. We setup a time for M&G. I always ask for a txt confirmation 90 min prior so that I can pivot if they flake out and sure enough she missed my deadline. I was going to pass, but poked her anyway via txt. Glad I did as she was getting ready. Had to provide her lots of directions but she made it to the bar / restaurant about 15 min late, which all things considered isn't bad for a 21 yr old (5'4", 120 lbs, ebony, see cups, MILF, nice face). Pretty good conversation ensued, and a thorough sampling of the cocktail menu too (3 each in 90 min). Having finally had enough I suggested we go sit in my car so we can have a more private conversation. Well gents, she wasted no time taking charge. We went from gentle make out to her straddling me on the driver's seat. Now you need to appreciate that I drive a compact sports sedan stick shift with highly bolstered seats, so it's not like there's any place to turn around. Well, she pulled me in the backseat where there's even less space due to crap I had back there and the driveshaft tunnel. At that very moment we negotiated $$ per session, which seems to be the low end of what girls will entertain in Boston. It got a smidgen weird when the car to one side left as she had her pants off and my face in her muff, but what can you do? About an hour into it she amped up her display of satisfaction. That's exactly when I made a mistake I haven't made in years.
See, with Pros you get a sense for when your time is over and you're about to get the "are you close?" question. For whatever reason, I took her signs as encouragement to get it over with, so I did. She picked up on that and then moaned "Oh no, no no no no. " In that split second I realized my mistake and the bad habits I've formed by hanging out with the wrong crowd. I forged ahead with a dogged determination for another 10 min or so, but after cumming, and pumping away with one foot on the center console and the other on the passenger head rest, while being in a single arm plank position I just needed a damn break which put an end to the proceedings. Most fun I've had in a long time with three quarters of my clothes on. While we were fogging up the windows, the car on the other side apparently left too without drama. If they took pictures, at least they did so without a flash.
Should we meet again, I'll be sure to get a room so that I don't need to have my head lower than my hips if I want to DATY (head rush). And she'll get my more traditional 'til-you-can't-walk-anymore treatment. The lesson learned here is that you are better off getting the tap on the shoulder rather than taking yourself out of the game. I have no idea what I was thinking.
Live and learn.
SM.
So, do any of you pay "just" for the m&g? I pay for the dinner, but IMO, if they want a fee for "just" meeting for dinner, to discuss future arrangements, it's a scam. Just "give me money, I'll eat and then leave" is what she's thinking. I had one that wanted 50 bucks just to meet. I balked at that.
[QUOTE=Almighty;2298435]So, do any of you pay "just" for the m&g? I pay for the dinner, but IMO, if they want a fee for "just" meeting for dinner, to discuss future arrangements, it's a scam. Just "give me money, I'll eat and then leave" is what she's thinking. I had one that wanted 50 bucks just to meet. I balked at that.[/QUOTE]Early in my days of sugaring, I would give a POT some money for coming to a M&G, especially if an arrangement is all but certain. I don't do that anymore, though if a POT has driven a fair distance to come to the M&G, I'll give her some gas money.
Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.
So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.
Ah, the mindset of some of these girls. They text you, explain they are in a bad situation and even give you a day when they will certainly be free to see you, then they're too busy to see you on that day.
What's remarkable is that I have another POT who keeps pulling this exact same stunt! She texts me and tells me she really needs money and would like to see me soon. So we set up a day, and then she goes radio silent on that day or is too busy to meet.
[QUOTE=Almighty;2298435]So, do any of you pay "just" for the m&g? I pay for the dinner, but IMO, if they want a fee for "just" meeting for dinner, to discuss future arrangements, it's a scam. Just "give me money, I'll eat and then leave" is what she's thinking. I had one that wanted 50 bucks just to meet. I balked at that.[/QUOTE]Had two m&gs today. Neither asked for any money. The first one I met, I gave her a very nominal amount after we established the arrangement, date and time for the FC. The other didn't ask, and so I didn't offer.
Also, thanks to HG for posting the link. After a quick read, it sounds like there are some real crazies out here. The comments on that page makes me feel badly for the young niave ladies out there.
[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298480]Early in my days of sugaring, I would give a POT some money for coming to a M&G, especially if an arrangement is all but certain. I don't do that anymore, though if a POT has driven a fair distance to come to the M&G, I'll give her some gas money.[/QUOTE]Her profile says she is new at this and whatnot and has never done it before, and is fairly new on the site. So I'm just thinking its a variation of the GPS. Like GTS or something (Golden Time Syndrome). I mean, her "time" is so valuable that she can't eat a free meal, and talk for half an hour / hour? Seriously? With the potential to secure addtional, more "valuable" meetings? She needs 50 bucks to sit / eat / talk? Even though the options can be a bit limited in my area, I'm not that desperate.
[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298492]Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with.
What's remarkable is that I have another POT who keeps pulling this exact same stunt! She texts me and tells me she really needs money and would like to see me soon. So we set up a day, and then she goes radio silent on that day or is too busy to meet.[/QUOTE]I had the same thing with a pot who is desperately trying to move from Richmond and who was asking me to pay for a room at the Willard (I politely declined). I am in town for the weekend so we made plans for an early morning m&g. She goes dark and then I get a text saying her father ended up in the hospital. I suspect the more likely story is that she was busy in the FC with one of you.
[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298492]Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.
So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.
Ah, the mindset of some of these girls. They text you, explain they are in a bad situation and even give you a day when they will certainly be free to see you, then they're too busy to see you on that day.
What's remarkable is that I have another POT who keeps pulling this exact same stunt! She texts me and tells me she really needs money and would like to see me soon. So we set up a day, and then she goes radio silent on that day or is too busy to meet.[/QUOTE]Your POTs are probably putting out many feelers to various SD's and by the time your "date" rolls around they have the money they needed in hand. My favourites are the POT's that begin asking for "emergency money" before we even meet! That always sounds like the beginning of a satisfying relationship.
Well brothers, I have to say I am coming in as a rookie inspite of my years of Sugaring.
I am focusing on 18-20 yr olds and it is not working out for me. Here is the sad tale of woe.
Pot #1.
19 yr old 9. 5 gone. Flaked on the M&G because I am married and she just can't"do that" . She also put no sex on her Profile. Good luck with that.
Pot #2.
19 yr old 8/8.
Flaked the M&G and went dark. Turns out she is FB friends with another coed who doesn't do sex.
SB #1 (ex).
I reported was extremely reliable at 1. 5. Went dark afte 6 mos and finally reporteds that she had found the love of her life. WTF?? I suppose that means she got a bigger allowance from another competitor. Interestingly, I was looking for a backup since I needed some variety. So now I am without any.
I will keep trying these youngsters but a lot of them are stating no sex and no married. But just give me monay and I will look cute on your arm.
Prepay for M&G? Never happen except for expenses.
Pot #3.
Elderly 40 something but looks fantastic on her profile pic. I suspect she will be GPS but I can't nail her down to talk to her.
These are dark hours. I need to get laid something awful so I have to ramp up my game.
Something to keep in mind is that the hot, smart, accomplished ladies you want to meet are the same ones the rest of us would like to meet. She was probably getting tons of messages and probably communicating with multiple prospects (hmmm, same as us, LOL) Most likely she found someone that could satisfy her financial needs sooner and / or better. As has been mentioned by several other members, this is a numbers game. It all comes down to being persistent and in the right spot at the right time.
Good Hunting,
Travelin.
[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298492]Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.
So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.
Ah, the mindset of some of these girls. They text you, explain they are in a bad situation and even give you a day when they will certainly be free to see you, then they're too busy to see you on that day.
What's remarkable is that I have another POT who keeps pulling this exact same stunt! She texts me and tells me she really needs money and would like to see me soon. So we set up a day, and then she goes radio silent on that day or is too busy to meet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2298513]Had two m&gs today. Neither asked for any money. The first one I met, I gave her a very nominal amount after we established the arrangement, date and time for the FC. The other didn't ask, and so I didn't offer.
Also, thanks to HG for posting the link. After a quick read, it sounds like there are some real crazies out here. The comments on that page makes me feel badly for the young niave ladies out there.[/QUOTE]I don't know if I would confuse lack of discussion of sugar as lack of expectation of it on their part.
I'm probably not the only SD out there who never discusses money. I just give them some amount I deem appropriate after fucking them silly, based on how much I enjoyed myself and how much I spent overall thus far on the date for things like food. So far they've never complained about the amount.
Guys, if you don't mind. Please give the meaning of POT and M&G. Thanks.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2298721]I don't know if I would confuse lack of discussion of sugar as lack of expectation of it on their part.
I'm probably not the only SD out there who never discusses money. I just give them some amount I deem appropriate after fucking them silly, based on how much I enjoyed myself and how much I spent overall thus far on the date for things like food. So far they've never complained about the amount.[/QUOTE]The sugar that is. I guess my post wasn't clear. What I was trying to convey was that my current approach is situational and dependent on the facts.
I think its always expected though. As Hollywood Guy previously posted, the sugar is a big part of what gets an SB into the FC the first time.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2298759]The sugar that is. I guess my post wasn't clear. What I was trying to convey was that my current approach is situational and dependent on the facts.
I think its always expected though. As Hollywood Guy previously posted, the sugar is a big part of what gets an SB into the FC the first time.[/QUOTE]Looking back, I scanned your post too fast and misunderstood it. Sorry about that, I've been in overdrive today trying to get lots done and sometimes read too quickly when I'm in that mode.
For you new guys to the forum, a short history. I'm not in this for the play-the-numbers approach to have my dance card lined up with as much pussy as I have time for. I'm just a father of two schoolchildren with a successful career and a stressful-as-all-hell homelife. Early in my hunt I found what turned out to be an ideal situation for both me and my SB. I wanted someone I could connect to, not just fuck, and she also wanted compatibility in addition to financial assistance and quickly discovered the fringe benefits of an older (50 ish) man. See HG's post below on that topic.
Over the past 18 mos we've become close, I treat her as a combination of princess, daughter-I-never-had (ick factor aside), and young person to mentor. If anything, she has the much stronger need for frequent sex than do I, as I'm finding out. (not that I complain about hours of attention to the little head, even if he's not going to do much besides stay hard, wet, and happily well looked-after).
Lately her financial and living situation have become much less desperate, and she only wants me to help out on an as-needed basis (we stopped pay-for-play last summer when I had to bail her out of a couple of dire circumstances). At this point I'm pretty sure she sees me as a boyfriend who has the resources to help her out when she is in need, but without all the usual BF / GF crap. Long run that may become a liability, but I'm watching it.
So, all that said, I'm basically getting 3-4 hours a week of sex on the side with a spinner hardbody, who's mission in life is to please me, and have as many orgasms along the way as she can. As others have pointed out, SO's simply cannot compete against this. Besides physical attractiveness, they came of age in a very different time. So while it's been clear for a looong time that I've not been satisfied with the sex life, and the SO doesn't seem to have a clue on how to fix this, I've kept up a token sex life. Since finding the SB I've dialed it back to be sure (another no-no according to the wisdom here), but I don't refuse the extremely rare offer, and occasionally will attempt to initiate.
So, with all [U]that[/U] said, tonight I decide to see if she'll pick up on increasingly obvious cues. Nope, totally oblivious. When I finally make an unambiguous move, it was: "sorry, tonight's not the right time". So, yeah, ok, it was late. I told her it was fine-don't worry about it. She then spent 5-10 minutes talking about how it wasn't fine yadda yadda yadda.
Now in this house, SO sex lasts maybe five minutes. If she could have simply conjured up images of me as Tom Cruise to get wet, it would have been faster just to do it than get into a conflict that lasted twice as long. She might have even enjoyed herself.
What don't they get about this? I really don't understand.
But hey, no worries. My SB's last exam is Tuesday, so Wednesday is looking reaaaallly promising.
[QUOTE=Walruscl;2298926]
Now in this house, SO sex lasts maybe five minutes. If she could have simply conjured up images of me as Tom Cruise to get wet, it would have been faster just to do it than get into a conflict that lasted twice as long. She might have even enjoyed herself.
What don't they get about this? I really don't understand.
But hey, no worries. My SB's last exam is Tuesday, so Wednesday is looking reaaaallly promising.[/QUOTE]Walduscl, your post really hit home with me. I've always had an active sex life with the SO but it has always been me that initiated, and always with a lot of uncertainty about how or if she would respond. I can probably count the number of times on one hand, in our 40 plus years of marriage, that she actually initiated sex. I had my first SW experience in my late twenties, moved on to escorts shortly thereafter, and know rely on UTR and SBs to fill my needs. My hobby probably had no impact on sex frequency with thE SO until I started the pursuit of SBs about 3 years ago.
I know the SO can tell that something has changed but I can't really tell if she is concerned or relieved that I am now much less trouble to keep satisfied. My session yesterday with my SB lasted a full 90 minutes. We s_ked, f__ked, massaged and fondled until our free time ran out, and both complained that we needed to schedule longer for next time.
My SO is clueless on how important it is for her to sometimes take the lead and initiate some excitement in our bedroom. Without the extra excitement that the SB world provides, I would have a pretty pitiful sex life for sure.
Alias.
[QUOTE=AliasSM;2298972I] know the SO can tell that something has changed but I can't really tell if she is concerned or relieved that I am now much less trouble to keep satisfied.[/QUOTE]Yeah, same here, although things are so infrequent that I think it took her awhile to notice. A few years ago, in the height of frustration I basically said that I'd be happier if I could just get rid of my sex drive altogether. I fully meant it then, and even now I sometimes wonder what opportunity costs I incur with my new playtime. Even with just a single SB once a week, that's a fair amount of overhead on my time.
So if the conversation ever came up, my answer would be that I've been working hard on reigning in my urges, and having some success with that. Which isn't entirely false.
[QUOTE=Jjjchar;2298746]Guys, if you don't mind. Please give the meaning of POT and M&G. Thanks.[/QUOTE]My brother,
You will find, if you haven't already, that the brothers of the Clubhouse have our own lingo, developed in the field, and it is all explained in this Journal, but a couple of quick defs on some of the most asked-about acronyms to help you in your reading:
POT. A potential baby you have met, communicated with, but not yet bedded.
M&G. Meet and Greet; applies only to the initial meeting with a POT. Where you get to know each other and sense if there is the possibility of making something happen.
FC. Fucking Chamber; anywhere you take your SB to fuck her, except maybe your car? Not exactly sure about that last part, but that's how I interpret it.
POTF. Panties On The Floor.
SA. Seeking Arrangement; a website a number of us like. There are others as well, and it appears that their relative reliability depends on your area of the country.
Others may have more to add, but hopefully this will help. Otherwise, I highly recommend you go back to the very beginning, and read up to the present. There is so much helpful information here, and so little BS or acrimony, that I believe it is unique among all the other threads on this site.
Happy holidays to you all!
Do no harm.
Scott.
[QUOTE=AliasSM;2298972]Walduscl, your post really hit home with me. I've always had an active sex life with the SO but it has always been me that initiated, and always with a lot of uncertainty about how or if she would respond. I can probably count the number of times on one hand, in our 40 plus years of marriage, that she actually initiated sex. I had my first SW experience in my late twenties, moved on to escorts shortly thereafter, and know rely on UTR and SBs to fill my needs. My hobby probably had no impact on sex frequency with thE SO until I started the pursuit of SBs about 3 years ago.
I know the SO can tell that something has changed but I can't really tell if she is concerned or relieved that I am now much less trouble to keep satisfied. My session yesterday with my SB lasted a full 90 minutes. We s_ked, f__ked, massaged and fondled until our free time ran out, and both complained that we needed to schedule longer for next time.
My SO is clueless on how important it is for her to sometimes take the lead and initiate some excitement in our bedroom. Without the extra excitement that the SB world provides, I would have a pretty pitiful sex life for sure.
Alias.[/QUOTE]Assuming you eliminate all traces of an SB session. Like hair, makeup, perfume, etc. , if there is no emotional investment, an SO may never pick up on your extra curricular activity.
But if you have an emotional investment in another girl, even if you only fuck her once a month, your SO will pick up on the vibe.
This is what they are tuned in for. It's in their nature.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2298838]Looking back, I scanned your post too fast and misunderstood it. Sorry about that, I've been in overdrive today trying to get lots done and sometimes read too quickly when I'm in that mode.[/QUOTE]Completely understand. I'm typing this on my phone as I walk to a meeting (work not pleasure).
Besides you're probably busy juggling multiple sb s as well.
[URL]http://nostringsattached.com/[/URL]
Claims to have 3 MM members.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2299437][URL]http://nostringsattached.com/[/URL]
Claims to have 3 MM members.[/QUOTE]You have to pay before you can view profiles. Bad business model: guys won't pony up until they see something worth pursuing. Also, in my area, the pickings look very slim.
RB.
Saw my "little girl" S yesterday. She got herself into a small jam since we went exclusive about 4 months ago. She is a normal college student and so her family was getting a little suspicious as to why she never dates or has any visible boyfriend.
So she manged to find a closeted gay guy at her school that was in the same predicament. They have now pretended at a few family functions no problem. While she is not close to my type physically, she is pretty and her total devotion to me is hard to ignore. I also put her in the top 3 of all time in the BJ department. She may even be #1. Not really sure. But she should be giving lessons. It's amazing how important BJ skills can be to a relationship. Very few girls are willing to spend an hour at a time on oral. And do it well.
I am her first boyfriend ever, but she is totally cool and would never do anything to rock that boat. So far in 4 months I have bought her one gift for 40 dollars. Thats it. We have hit the FC 10 times and always for a few hours at a time. So she hit the all important 10 date mark and she is still here.
I was actually feeling sorry for her at one point because she seems so lonely and that's not a good reason to stay together. But for now I am going to stick with her because she really is sweet and giving and is genuinely in love with me (something I know most guys on here would dread). I have a tendency to forget the importance of giving if the girl is a real looker. But all my regulars right now are real givers in the FC.