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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6516973]There is a fair amount of discussion on here from time to time about submissive girls. Some are very blatant about it in their profiles. HG is a skeptic about those, and I have become the same. The ones that talk all about it aren't actually it. There are a few different tells you can use to detect sub SBs, and then play into it. This profile is pretty far from most of us so we're not likely to be competing for this one. If it had fewer photos I would be even more likely to say this girl is a sub. She has a 'look' of a sub, I think it is the eyes, and then there is that one photo w / her in a collar. The sparse profile is fine. IK what to say to a girl to approach her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c8681bea-1bd9-478b-83ec-496bd4dcdcf1[/URL][/QUOTE]Very cute and a pale redhead. Those are my favorite. Considering my girls are all over the place including the IE and OC. That's not far for me.

Employed computer person with serious case of GPS.

$1. 2 k PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58d3caec-f686-48e9-a94e-42be3ea14603[/URL]

GORGEOUS but GPS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25df4cc2-f358-426c-ad2d-61f5951089f1[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/215b72c7-8775-43dc-aa6d-bd6a6e21c630[/URL]

$1 k PPM for dinner dates to build trust.

$1. 5 k for intimate dates afterwards.

Who is paying this crazy shit?

[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6517946]GORGEOUS but GPS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25df4cc2-f358-426c-ad2d-61f5951089f1[/URL][/QUOTE]Cutie73 is gorgeous, thin, and tits of perfection.

Can be had for a normal rate, I've had her plenty.

Careful though, I've posted about her before. "my personality is bubbly" isn't exactly accurate. She will explode on you at the slightest issue. Don't give her alcohol, it brings out the beast. Also, be sure to have the boric acid on hand, you might need it.

Any info on this SB?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d967d193-83db-4b7d-8590-b6af62808580[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f66b0413-263a-4214-9abb-db8723e55799[/URL]

Dtf, book with confidence. A bit pro like but otherwise hot and legit 22 yo (with braces). YMMV, but pretty straightforward. Cfs for 4, BBFS for 7 but no cip. Def has a gag reflex so this one is purely for fking. Worth it in a pinch given the reliability, but nothing extraordinary.

Any info on this girl?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a44d6759-fcdb-4ab1-9ef9-8e0f9f4b4530[/URL]

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6518466]Cutie73 is gorgeous, thin, and tits of perfection.

Can be had for a normal rate, I've had her plenty.

Careful though, I've posted about her before. "my personality is bubbly" isn't exactly accurate. She will explode on you at the slightest issue. Don't give her alcohol, it brings out the beast. Also, be sure to have the boric acid on hand, you might need it.[/QUOTE]Does she allow CIP?

Just had a beautiful baby leave my place, had two great goes with an over-talkative interlude. Lots of fun.

But my god, she was well aware she had BO, but thinks normal deodorant is "bad for her".

I haven't read the studies myself YET, but like most things, I'm sure the supposed danger of deodorant that actually works is hugely overblown.

I make clear that she can't come back smelling like that, oy vey!

-RanMan

PS: I can't smell worth a damn, but I can smell BO and BV . . . BV is my perennial complaint on this board!

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6528222]Just had a beautiful baby leave my place, had two great goes with an over-talkative interlude. Lots of fun.

But my god, she was well aware she had BO, but thinks normal deodorant is "bad for her".

I haven't read the studies myself YET, but like most things, I'm sure the supposed danger of deodorant that actually works is hugely overblown.

I make clear that she can't come back smelling like that, oy vey!

-RanMan

PS: I can't smell worth a damn, but I can smell BO and BV . . . BV is my perennial complaint on this board![/QUOTE]LOL been there before. Just had an OC baby w this. You'd think she was all cleaned up since she hosted. Probably had just woken up. It's also typically either high rotation girls or the hippie types.

I have not experienced a SB who had this issue. I have had a couple who weren't fresh in the p* department, I think this is a rule-out for me.

I wonder about this reverse preference. I have had 2-3 POTs who specifically said they wanted their SD manscaped. Now, I have been natural forever, as most have I'd wager. If I suddenly needed to get shaved, would my warden not think this was something notable? And wonder why? Therefore, I would never consider such a thing. Those were rule-outs also. So those POTs can just skip the ca. 40% of guys in the bowl who are married.

Personal situation: SO going through menopause. We have a room mate relationship. No intimacy for months at a time. Previously after we had couple kids, I had brought up the idea of getting snipped but didn't follow through. She didn't say much when I didn't. There was also a breach in my op sec about 5 years ago. She couldn't definitely know anything but suspected something was going on.

Background: I have not dared to experience the pleasure of bb with a SB due to pregnancy concerns. Few weeks ago I had a one night meet on a business trip, things got hot and heavy pretty quickly and I went in without any protection. Next morning she told me it was safe because she just had her period. I still got her a plan b just to be careful. I was sweating bullets till she swallowed it in front of me. Don't want to be in this situation but in the moment, it was fantastic.

Due to personal situation, I am sure a vasectomy now will raise significant eyebrows and suspicion. So I want to get it without her knowing.

Plus we share a medical plan.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;6529851]Personal situation: SO going through menopause. We have a room mate relationship. No intimacy for months at a time. Previously after we had couple kids, I had brought up the idea of getting snipped but didn't follow through. She didn't say much when I didn't. There was also a breach in my op sec about 5 years ago. She couldn't definitely know anything but suspected something was going on.

Background: I have not dared to experience the pleasure of bb with a SB due to pregnancy concerns. Few weeks ago I had a one night meet on a business trip, things got hot and heavy pretty quickly and I went in without any protection. Next morning she told me it was safe because she just had her period. I still got her a plan b just to be careful. I was sweating bullets till she swallowed it in front of me. Don't want to be in this situation but in the moment, it was fantastic.

Due to personal situation, I am sure a vasectomy now will raise significant eyebrows and suspicion. So I want to get it without her knowing.

Plus we share a medical plan.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I can't speak to the physical hiding of the vasectomy.

Insurance. Don't use it, pay cash (or money order or cashiers check, or however you can do it electronically but discreetly).

Plan B. Keep your own stash on hand, have her swallow it before you have sex. Kinda kills the mood, but it's a potential solution. $8 on Amazon - [URL]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RZMG6ZM[/URL].

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6529942]I can't speak to the physical hiding of the vasectomy.

Insurance. Don't use it, pay cash (or money order or cashiers check, or however you can do it electronically but discreetly).

Plan B. Keep your own stash on hand, have her swallow it before you have sex. Kinda kills the mood, but it's a potential solution. $8 on Amazon - [URL]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RZMG6ZM[/URL].[/QUOTE]Didn't know one could get a safe clean (not back alley) procedure for cash payment with no I'd required.

The plan b tabs before is a great suggestion.

So I had the big V several years ago, and I was able to hide it from the SO.

First I'm no gym rat, but I go often enough to stay in shape, so the SO knows this. When I had the operation, it was a out patient procedure. They gave a local snip snip and I was out of the office in like 20 minutes. They applied some liquid bandage over the spot and that was that. Now, the local wore off over night, but they did give pain killers for the next several days. You only need about one day or two to get over the initial pain.

So how did I hide it from the SO? That's were the gym came into play. My walking funny for a couple of days was a "pulled groin muscle"! She just laughed about and told me I should take it easy for the week or two.

I did go through my insurance, but all the insurance is through my job, so she never sees the charges. Or like mentioned you can go out of pocket.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;6529851]Personal situation: SO going through menopause. We have a room mate relationship. No intimacy for months at a time. Previously after we had couple kids, I had brought up the idea of getting snipped but didn't follow through. She didn't say much when I didn't. There was also a breach in my op sec about 5 years ago. She couldn't definitely know anything but suspected something was going on.

Background: I have not dared to experience the pleasure of bb with a SB due to pregnancy concerns. Few weeks ago I had a one night meet on a business trip, things got hot and heavy pretty quickly and I went in without any protection. Next morning she told me it was safe because she just had her period. I still got her a plan b just to be careful. I was sweating bullets till she swallowed it in front of me. Don't want to be in this situation but in the moment, it was fantastic.

Due to personal situation, I am sure a vasectomy now will raise significant eyebrows and suspicion. So I want to get it without her knowing.

Plus we share a medical plan.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;6529851]Personal situation: SO going through menopause. We have a room mate relationship. No intimacy for months at a time. Previously after we had couple kids, I had brought up the idea of getting snipped but didn't follow through. She didn't say much when I didn't. There was also a breach in my op sec about 5 years ago. She couldn't definitely know anything but suspected something was going on.

Background: I have not dared to experience the pleasure of bb with a SB due to pregnancy concerns. Few weeks ago I had a one night meet on a business trip, things got hot and heavy pretty quickly and I went in without any protection. Next morning she told me it was safe because she just had her period. I still got her a plan b just to be careful. I was sweating bullets till she swallowed it in front of me. Don't want to be in this situation but in the moment, it was fantastic.

Due to personal situation, I am sure a vasectomy now will raise significant eyebrows and suspicion. So I want to get it without her knowing.

Plus we share a medical plan.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Usually not covered under insurance. Paid 1700 20 years ago. Load volume decreased but well worth the piece of mind.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;6530140]Didn't know one could get a safe clean (not back alley) procedure for cash payment with no I'd required.

The plan b tabs before is a great suggestion.[/QUOTE]Doctors are always happy to get paid in cash.

I am very into discretion. I have a few promising prospects request face pics on snap, text or a zoom video call to verify my identity. I told her to wait until we see each other in person for a M&G but she doesn't seem to budge. I feel paranoid about being recorded, having pics saved, get stolen, blackmailed etc. What would or do you guys do?

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6531485]I am very into discretion. I have a few promising prospects request face pics on snap, text or a zoom video call to verify my identity. I told her to wait until we see each other in person for a M&G but she doesn't seem to budge. I feel paranoid about being recorded, having pics saved, get stolen, blackmailed etc. What would or do you guys do?[/QUOTE]There has been extensive posting on this recently, including from me. A major concern is the use of free online tools for facial recognition. This is a very real threat of the POT learning your identity IRL. I have doctored photos such that they do not register in that software / on those sites as having a face on them. You can test this for yourself before you send it to the POT.

If they are not satisfied w / that, I recommend moving on. There is a lot of kitty out there to chase, you don't need the ones who aren't going to cooperate.

Follow all the other rules that have long been mentioned. Never use a photo that has appeared anywhere on the web linked to your IRL identity. That prevents successful tineye type searches, but does not avoid the facial rec.

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6531485]I am very into discretion. I have a few promising prospects request face pics on snap, text or a zoom video call to verify my identity. I told her to wait until we see each other in person for a M&G but she doesn't seem to budge. I feel paranoid about being recorded, having pics saved, get stolen, blackmailed etc. What would or do you guys do?[/QUOTE]I've sent face pics that are publicly available on the Internet (LinkedIn). Provides some plausible deniability at least. I don't think there much blackmail going on though. There are much safer and easier scams that can separate suckers from their money on Seeking.

[QUOTE=Sipping;6532006]I've sent face pics that are publicly available on the Internet (LinkedIn). Provides some plausible deniability at least. I don't think there much blackmail going on though. There are much safer and easier scams that can separate suckers from their money on Seeking.[/QUOTE]So do you tell SBs your real name? That is essentially what you are doing by sending them pics that are available to all. Do you really not care if a girl gets pissed off and decides to find your home # and call your SO? If you are single, I guess this could work for you, but most people active on seeking have a lot and are not afraid to use it. If you are really using seeking like a glorified BP or CL, hit it and quit it, well, likely it is the case that you aren't taking much risk.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6531650]There has been extensive posting on this recently, including from me. A major concern is the use of free online tools for facial recognition. This is a very real threat of the POT learning your identity IRL. I have doctored photos such that they do not register in that software / on those sites as having a face on them. You can test this for yourself before you send it to the POT.

If they are not satisfied w / that, I recommend moving on. There is a lot of kitty out there to chase, you don't need the ones who aren't going to cooperate.

Follow all the other rules that have long been mentioned. Never use a photo that has appeared anywhere on the web linked to your IRL identity. That prevents successful tineye type searches, but does not avoid the facial rec.[/QUOTE]I would be very interested in how you doctored them. That is a great idea.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;6532315]I would be very interested in how you doctored them. That is a great idea.[/QUOTE]I imported them into a drawing program and put 3 big black dots over the eyes and nose. For the two sites I worry about, PimEyes and facecheck. I'd, this resulted in the sites saying they could not find a face. I also chose another photo of myself that is taken at a distance, my face is in the shade, I am wearing a hat, and the fraction of the pic that is face is small. That one, too, the sites said they could not find a face. So, great. It is possible that other facial rec tools could interpret my pics, but most SBs aren't going to have access to that sort of firepower.

This is something you can do by trial and error. And then just feed them into these sites and see if they can locate you. Of course, the photo they came from must be one the sites can work with and can locate your IRL pics.

I see pics that girls use some times that appear to be discreet enough they could not uniquely identify the chick, but they portray the girl as attractive enough. That should be your goal, even if you are using your own pics, or pics of someone who looks similar to you (my approach). Show you aren't an ogre, but don't give too much info.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/822cff69-6964-4f36-8d37-5f270d6c6b9d[/URL]

This one is a lot of fun. I've enjoyed her enough that it's time to share. Like to meet for dinner and then go back for a couple rounds. Not cheap but worth the experience if you want a slim little redhead. A few rules but nothing unreasonable.

Has anyone seen this one? Talking and it seems promising.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/986f00b5-57e8-46b3-ad74-8ec80b68c1f0[/URL]

Is there an AI app to blend together real pics into a new pic that doesn't really exist but looks similar enough to the subject?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6532350]I imported them into a drawing program and put 3 big black dots over the eyes and nose. For the two sites I worry about, PimEyes and facecheck. I'd, this resulted in the sites saying they could not find a face. I also chose another photo of myself that is taken at a distance, my face is in the shade, I am wearing a hat, and the fraction of the pic that is face is small. That one, too, the sites said they could not find a face. So, great. It is possible that other facial rec tools could interpret my pics, but most SBs aren't going to have access to that sort of firepower.

This is something you can do by trial and error. And then just feed them into these sites and see if they can locate you. Of course, the photo they came from must be one the sites can work with and can locate your IRL pics.

I see pics that girls use some times that appear to be discreet enough they could not uniquely identify the chick, but they portray the girl as attractive enough. That should be your goal, even if you are using your own pics, or pics of someone who looks similar to you (my approach). Show you aren't an ogre, but don't give too much info.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. I have a blurred public pic.

[QUOTE=SBlover;6532732][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/822cff69-6964-4f36-8d37-5f270d6c6b9d[/URL]

This one is a lot of fun. I've enjoyed her enough that it's time to share. Like to meet for dinner and then go back for a couple rounds. Not cheap but worth the experience if you want a slim little redhead. A few rules but nothing unreasonable.[/QUOTE]What's the price range?

[QUOTE=SBlover;6532732][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/822cff69-6964-4f36-8d37-5f270d6c6b9d[/URL]

This one is a lot of fun. I've enjoyed her enough that it's time to share. Like to meet for dinner and then go back for a couple rounds. Not cheap but worth the experience if you want a slim little redhead. A few rules but nothing unreasonable.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you are with lucky to see her; the last time text her, she wanted to meet at the club she danced LOL.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;6533473]What's the price range?[/QUOTE]YMMV but I'd rather not discuss it in the forum. DM me for details if you want.

[QUOTE=MacEatBright;6533516]It sounds like you are with lucky to see her; the last time text her, she wanted to meet at the club she danced LOL.[/QUOTE]Try again. It wasn't all that difficult.

This is not going to be your usual post. But some might find it interesting.

Sugaring while married means I have to do things to stay off the radar. I have a prepaid phone. I buy prepaid credit cards. In other words, I do things poor people do because they help me stay off the radar.

It's opened my eyes.

Take the credit card. I use one vanilla. Half the time you want to check your balance online, the site is down. One time I opened the package, and it wasn't a one vanilla but a netspend. I called visa to complain but in order to talk to me, they wanted to name, address, Social Security number. I told him that if I wanted to give those things, I wouldn't have a prepaid card. They said they can't help me. Had a worthless card I paid cash for in my hand.

The mobile phone. OMG the terms are awful. You have to prepay of course but then they charge you for texts and data and everything. Every motion is a purchase decision. It's designed to bleed you and it's clear it's because they can.

I met a girl in Mexico who I sugared with in the past. Contacted her and she didn't get off work till 9 pm, too late for me. I told her I'll cover her pay if she gets off early. She said her boss told her if she leaves early she won't get paid at all for the day, including hours worked up until that point. Maybe she was just trying to get me to be more generous but I don't think so.

Some of this stuff is eye opening on how much harder it is when you don't have credit and money and (I hate to say it) status as a "valued customer. ".

[QUOTE=Murrican;6534413]This is not going to be your usual post. But some might find it interesting.

Sugaring while married means I have to do things to stay off the radar. I have a prepaid phone. I buy prepaid credit cards. In other words, I do things poor people do because they help me stay off the radar.

It's opened my eyes.

Take the credit card. I use one vanilla. Half the time you want to check your balance online, the site is down. One time I opened the package, and it wasn't a one vanilla but a netspend. I called visa to complain but in order to talk to me, they wanted to name, address, Social Security number. I told him that if I wanted to give those things, I wouldn't have a prepaid card. They said they can't help me. Had a worthless card I paid cash for in my hand.

The mobile phone. OMG the terms are awful. You have to prepay of course but then they charge you for texts and data and everything. Every motion is a purchase decision. It's designed to bleed you and it's clear it's because they can.

I met a girl in Mexico who I sugared with in the past. Contacted her and she didn't get off work till 9 pm, too late for me. I told her I'll cover her pay if she gets off early. She said her boss told her if she leaves early she won't get paid at all for the day, including hours worked up until that point. Maybe she was just trying to get me to be more generous but I don't think so..[/QUOTE]I wish I could still buy OneVanilla. I don't see them anymore, and the cards that look like them don't work on seeking. I have posted about Blackhawk cards, available at Gelson's.

I have also sung the praises of TracFone on this site many times. It is very very reasonable in price. Like maybe $80 / year.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6534413]The mobile phone. OMG the terms are awful. You have to prepay of course but then they charge you for texts and data and everything. Every motion is a purchase decision. It's designed to bleed you and it's clear it's because they can.
[/QUOTE]For mobile phone. When I first started, I used to have a plan that had limited calls/texts, now you can easily find prepaid plans with unlimited calls/texts but limited data. So long as you're not streaming videos, 3-5 GB / month should be sufficient.

I like the $15 Boost plan that simply slows you down to 512kb if you use over 5gb/month, but never cuts you off. Even 512k is plenty fast enough for web and most apps, just not streaming video.
https://www.boostmobile.com/shop/buy/plans/
https://www.boostmobile.com/support/plans/network-management


TMobile also has a very decent unlimited calls/texts plan, but they do cut off data if you use up your data.
3.5gb data for $15
https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6534860]For mobile phone. When I first started, I used to have a plan that had limited calls/texts, now you can easily find prepaid plans with unlimited calls/texts but limited data. So long as you're not streaming videos, 3-5 GB / month should be sufficient.

I like the $15 Boost plan that simply slows you down to 512kb if you use over 5gb/month, but never cuts you off. Even 512k is plenty fast enough for web and most apps, just not streaming video.
https://www.boostmobile.com/shop/buy/plans/
https://www.boostmobile.com/support/plans/network-management


TMobile also has a very decent unlimited calls/texts plan, but they do cut off data if you use up your data.
3.5gb data for $15
https://prepaid.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans/connect[/QUOTE]I use the $15 T-mobile prepaid service for my main phone. It works well for me since I work from home and can use wifi to not eat up my data. For my "burner" second phone I use Tello's service which is the cheapest service I found and it runs on T-mobile's network. It's less than $8 a month. Now granted it only offers limited talk time at 100 minutes monthly and 500 mb data capped. But it has unlimited text which is how girls primarily communicate nowadays anyways. I only occasionally call a girl and I still have never reached the 100 minutes. And I rarely use it's data. The only other thing is Tello doesn't work the best with iPhone. It works great with Androids which is what I use. But being that you are using the service for a burner phone. You don't want to be using an expensive iPhone just for that. Just get a cheap unlocked Android. Also you would need a mailing address to get the sim card mailed to you. I don't know if they sell their sim cards at any storefront.

Technically I don't need two phones since I don't have a SO nor a serious civie GF right now. I do civie date here and there still and the arrangements. But I like having the burner second phone because I've dealt with the occasional psycho chic that I need to block. The burner phone has very little info tied to me. The main phone is for everyone else in my life.

To those of you who responded, these are great tips. Thank you.

Still, my point was just how much more you have to navigate the system when you're dealing outside the normal world of credit and being a good customer prospect. It's been annoying as hell. The customer service is abysmal and it's clear many companies feel they're doing you a favor. Just sharing that part of it.

The few times I've had to contact visa about my prepaid cards were a case study in how to make you feel small.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;6535162]I use the $15 T-mobile prepaid service for my main phone. It works well for me since I work from home and can use wifi to not eat up my data. For my "burner" second phone I use Tello's service which is the cheapest service I found and it runs on T-mobile's network. It's less than $8 a month. Now granted it only offers limited talk time at 100 minutes monthly and 500 mb data capped. But it has unlimited text which is how girls primarily communicate nowadays anyways. I only occasionally call a girl and I still have never reached the 100 minutes. And I rarely use it's data. The only other thing is Tello doesn't work the best with iPhone. It works great with Androids which is what I use. But being that you are using the service for a burner phone. You don't want to be using an expensive iPhone just for that. Just get a cheap unlocked Android. Also you would need a mailing address to get the sim card mailed to you. I don't know if they sell their sim cards at any storefront.

Technically I don't need two phones since I don't have a SO nor a serious civie GF right now. I do civie date here and there still and the arrangements. But I like having the burner second phone because I've dealt with the occasional psycho chic that I need to block. The burner phone has very little info tied to me. The main phone is for everyone else in my life.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/65baaa08-94c3-4dfc-bbd6-5b2cf40b85f2[/URL]

Seeking Lala Land.

Photos look great.

Thanks in advance.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9c5055a6-2d3d-4e25-8d4a-d1340a5db1f2[/URL]

Had my fill so releasing this one to the wild. Complete sub. But if gag reflex but her ability to get her ass pounded makes up for it. No cip but cia once you've established some trust.

[QUOTE=SBlover;6536907][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9c5055a6-2d3d-4e25-8d4a-d1340a5db1f2[/URL]

Had my fill so releasing this one to the wild. Complete sub. But if gag reflex but her ability to get her ass pounded makes up for it. No cip but cia once you've established some trust.[/QUOTE]What did your PPM average out to in the end?

Any info on these ladies.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e7888cae-dea3-4d0a-9290-fbb21aa56b1d[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a44d6759-fcdb-4ab1-9ef9-8e0f9f4b4530[/URL]