"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Thanks guys for all the information you've provided. I tried the SD thing a couple of years ago and although I made some of the classic mistakes (paid way too much the first time and also managed to pick up a stalker on the 2nd one), I wanted to know more. Now that I've read through all of the advice (I did RTFF) I have made wiser decisions and have managed to land my first SB. She's amazing, willing to live within my budget, and hotter than anyone I've ever dated (23,5'8, 115 and a former model). As this is my first post, I'll try and make more of an effort to post more often now that I'm starting to play in the bowl. Thanks again gents!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2288264]I remember that story, and yes, in this situation the Lizard would disappear, never to be found. Unless that is you want to get to know your kid, hang out with him, and maybe put him through college.[/QUOTE]I would ditch the current phone and number, get a new email address and if you used a web site to finder change your profile, just in case that bump is yours and she is thinking child support!

[QUOTE=BigLick90;2289452]Thanks guys for all the information you've provided. I tried the SD thing a couple of years ago and although I made some of the classic mistakes (paid way too much the first time and also managed to pick up a stalker on the 2nd one), I wanted to know more. Now that I've read through all of the advice (I did RTFF) I have made wiser decisions and have managed to land my first SB. She's amazing, willing to live within my budget, and hotter than anyone I've ever dated (23,5'8, 115 and a former model). As this is my first post, I'll try and make more of an effort to post more often now that I'm starting to play in the bowl. Thanks again gents![/QUOTE]And post a lot of pics. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2289223]I have been using Google voice the past few years as the primary method to talk and txt with the babids. It seems that Google voice is now integrTed into Google hangouts, so in order to send txt, I must use Hangouts. This makes things complicated. Recently I sent out a few txts from Hangouts to a few POTs, and got replies back directly on my phone. This scared the crap out or me, as I do not want myture number to be known. Immediatelyremoved both Google Voice and Hangouts apps from my phone.

So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?[/QUOTE]Talkatone.

TextPlus.

WhatsApp.

There are others but those are probably the 3 biggest.

Pro-tip on the GV: I have multiple numbers. Most aren't linked to any real phone number (or real Google account) of mine.

Fellas,

Things necessarily quieted down for the Thanksgiving week and were a bit slow to pick up. Several "for sure M&G" pre-turkey are no longer answering. But there was movement nonetheless.

First, I had brunch with a girl I had Skype with. She's not really my type, but I thought maybe I'd warm up to her face-to-face. Nope. So I never reached back out and neither did she.

Second, I had a M&G with a 26 yr old nurse with a flexible schedule. Very tight body from what I can tell. And, perhaps most importantly, really fun and talkative. I thought we really hit it off with easy flowing convo, similar interests, good eye contact. I followed our M&G with a quick word confirming my interest in pursuing. Radio silence for 48 hrs. Too bad, she lives nearby and only has a single female roommate. Oh well. Maybe she needs to meet a few jerks before she comes to her senses.

Third, I had a M&G with a hospitality worker. Wow, hottest girl I've met to date. 5'11", maybe 125, gorgeous, evidently did some modeling. Fantastic laughter, and smart to boot. Of course, she lives out of the way, has no transportation and lives with her dad. I might splurge on this one to get her to the FC just 'cause. No feedback as of yet, but it's a bit soon.

Fourth, I need to remind you about this nursing student (feels like they are all nursing students) I've seen three times and the most we've done is a little making out on the 3rd date, in itself considerable progress from the first two. Disliking the glacial pace of this relationship, I sent her a filthy text msg over the thanksgiving break to gauge her reaction thinking I would at least stop wasting time if she was offended. She actually responded with humor, if not in kind. Been texting her every few days as I don't have time to see her. I have the sense she doesn't date much, so I'll keep treating her like a civvy as long as dates remain cheap. Maybe this long-term investment will pay off. She claims a bunch of "never done that" in the sex department. I aim to change that.

Speaking of money, while my batting average getting to the FC is well below the Mendosa line, with my precious spare time being occupied with these pointless M&G I have significantly cut back my consumption of other services such that I've spent much less as a wannabe SD than I used to. Weird, uh?

-SM.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2289656]Speaking of money, while my batting average getting to the FC is well below the Mendosa line, with my precious spare time being occupied with these pointless M&G I have significantly cut back my consumption of other services such that I've spent much less as a wannabe SD than I used to. Weird, uh?

-SM.[/QUOTE]After doing this a while, the only thing I know for sure, is that if you do enough M&G's, on one of those dates (and who knows how many) the stars are going to be perfectly aligned.

It might be for a night or a year. But it will happen. And that's what keeps me going. It's not a matter of if but only of when. Just don't prejudge too much and always be ready for action on a moments notice. And as much as I hate it when a score eventually goes south, I know another one is just around the corner.

This advice isn't directed at you personally, just a general post for the newbies.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers[/URL]

[QUOTE=ThePunter7216;2289539]

Talkatone.
TextPlus.
WhatsApp.
There are others but those are probably the 3 biggest.

Pro-tip on the GV: I have multiple numbers. Most aren't linked to any real phone number (or real Google account) of mine.[/QUOTE]Do these let you use your phone just like a burner phone (I. E. Multiple temporary phone numbers with voicemail, texting etc?

One thing I like about Hushed is you can quickly whip up a new phone number for a few bucks and discard it if you do something on it you don't like (LOL). It's great not only for questionable SBs but for dealing with business related calls when you're not absolutely sure you will want them contacting you long term.)

But if there are alternatives that do same, I'm always eager to hear about them.

I wouldn't do shit over Google, business or SD'ing or otherwise. Their entire business model is designed to monitor and archive everything about you. Fuck google.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2289778]Do these let you use your phone just like a burner phone (I. E. Multiple temporary phone numbers with voicemail, texting etc?

One thing I like about Hushed is you can quickly whip up a new phone number for a few bucks and discard it if you do something on it you don't like (LOL). It's great not only for questionable SBs but for dealing with business related calls when you're not absolutely sure you will want them contacting you long term.)

But if there are alternatives that do same, I'm always eager to hear about them.

I wouldn't do shit over Google, business or SD'ing or otherwise. Their entire business model is designed to monitor and archive everything about you. Fuck google.[/QUOTE]All these apps let you block numbers, isn't that usually enough?

TextPlus lets you change your number, but only once.

Talkatone and WhatsApp are like GV. You can't change your number, but you can create a new account which will have a new number. I do get the sense that they both might have a problem with frequent repeated disposal and reissuing of numbers though, I. E. You have to use some discretion as to who you give the number to.

Pinger is one other one I forgot to mention. Basically same as WhatsApp.

If you want to switch numbers frequently you can try voip. Ms. The numbers cost 99 cents each, have free unlimited SMS, and can be added and deleted at the click of a button. Their SMS interface isn't the greatest. Sms. Voip. Ms. But it's manageable, especially if you're not trying to do it on a tiny phone screen.

So my first full week in the sugar bowl, and it was pretty busy.

1st. Met a 25 year old single mom, struggling to pay bills, but has her own transportation, and more importantly, is kinky as hell, loves bdsm and is very submissive. After several days of texting we went straight to the FC and had a great time. She wants to make this a weekly thing. I would classify her as not quite a Nando 1 (close but a little more together than that) and maybe a closeted, inactive UTR. She did work as an escort several years ago and says she would consider doing it again.

2nd. Met a 27 year old single mom, same story, yadda yadda, not quite as kinky as the first, but also submissive. M&G and then on to the FC. We have texted since and I sense she would like to repeat, but the ball's in her court.

3rd. Had coffee with an 18 year old, super cute, just out of high school, working 2 jobs and just wants to have some fun. Thought the M&G went well but she has gone silent since, so who knows.

4th. M&G with a hot 22 year old, employed, has her shit together, makes good money. Couldn't really figure out why she was on SA other than she is possibly the most misanthropic individual I have ever met in my life, so she doesn't put much stock in traditional relationships. She also seemed like she was wound so tight she might explode. My "batshit crazy" bells were going off by the end. Pretty sure neither of us is going to follow up.

5th. Had a nice long date (more than a M&G) with a married lady in her late 30's. I think we will get along well. We have similar interests and needs and she wants to have a regular thing. And, her husband is gone all the time for work, so she can host!! Bonus!

Got a few more I'm stringing along until next week, and one UTR that has been pursuing me quite hard. So far I'm enjoying this.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2289223]I have been using Google voice the past few years as the primary method to talk and txt with the babids. It seems that Google voice is now integrTed into Google hangouts, so in order to send txt, I must use Hangouts. This makes things complicated. Recently I sent out a few txts from Hangouts to a few POTs, and got replies back directly on my phone. This scared the crap out or me, as I do not want myture number to be known. Immediatelyremoved both Google Voice and Hangouts apps from my phone.

So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?[/QUOTE]I use an app called Pinger, you can use the app to send texts and make phone calls (100 min is $2) and use the website to just send texts. The downsides are that pics have to sent to an email address but they come directly into the app and I've learned that if you send more than 5000 messages the app stops working, so you have to get a new number and move all of your babes over to that number. I've used it more more than an year and I find it works better than google voice. Also on an iphone you can delete the app whenever you feel heat and when you download it again everything reappears and you've lost nothing.

[QUOTE=ThePunter7216;2289811]All these apps let you block numbers, isn't that usually enough?
[/QUOTE]Depends on your specific needs. If all you need to do is block a single stalker or whatever, then yes, but she could post about you using your number to one web forum, and if you make contact with a POT in the future she may search for that number and find some negative feedback -- and using the same number for business deals and unpredictable women is almost sure to put you out of business down the road.

But that does not mean my needs are the same as everyone else's. I have an innate need for privacy-on-demand, meaning when I want to cut away from everyone, I like having the freedom to do it even if I don't exercise it enough. So I reserve my real number for family, girlfriend, a dozen or so of my best friends, etc. Everything else I like to be a disposable number, especially as more and more websites request phone numbers to send you a code to verify identity.

I have a history of women turning crazy on me that do not turn crazy on others. I remember in my mid 20's, I was banging a hot Asian early 30's MILF who owned a home, had a good job, etc. Well after a while I got bored and left her for a younger hotter one. She was one of the most even tempered women I knew, but she still went psycho-possessive-stalker on me. She had been in my social circles so one of my buddies and her knew each other well. I told him "go for it, it's over with us anyway" and he said "no way man, I don't want your sloppy seconds". Next thing you know they are banging each other and he was putty in her hands So much for not wanting my seconds. LOL. But, she seemed to give him his space, let him have his wife and his kids, etc. She didn't go psycho-possessive. He never had any problems with her following him around, stalking or lashing out. They kept it going for years and ended amicably.

So, I don't know what it is about me that draws out the crazies in them, but I like to cut and run when I say it's time, not when they do.

For that reason I have to have disposable phone numbers that do not give them an easy way to link me to business, home, or anything else.

Just to add to my last post regarding the need for highly disposable numbers, if you are a year-round FT SD that never uses the same number for anything but SBs, you may have totally different burner phone requirements than me.

For those that don't know, I'm "seasonal" as an SD in the sense I get on average 3-4 weeks per year for this, and that's if I'm lucky. That means I don't really need or want ongoing SB friendships that may lead to something later. I do all of my "work" far from home, I won't even contact an SB within a radius that's too close.

If things were different and I were not already in a relationship, I probably wouldn't care if I gave most of these girls my primary number. That's what I used to do. Hell, it actually worked well, because when you're mainstream dating, having women call and text you constantly is more of a good thing than a bad.

But, in my current mode, I'm in like Flynn, I gift for good performance and then I disappear. I have no time or interest to maintain ongoing relationships or conversations with any of these girls. I don't view them as bad people, but I view them all as superficial gold-diggers. My only responsibility is to plaster their face with my goo and move on to the next, rinse and repeat as much as possible until the next holiday.

It's a very small component of my overall life. I wish I were able to do it more often but I'm not.

But that's why I need disposable numbers, and that's why the Hushed app works well. Everyone's mileage varies though, to be sure.

[QUOTE=Showtime2020;2289816]I use an app called Pinger, you can use the app to send texts and make phone calls (100 min is $2) and use the website to just send texts. The downsides are that pics have to sent to an email address but they come directly into the app and I've learned that if you send more than 5000 messages the app stops working, so you have to get a new number and move all of your babes over to that number. I've used it more more than an year and I find it works better than google voice. Also on an iphone you can delete the app whenever you feel heat and when you download it again everything reappears and you've lost nothing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThePunter7216;2289539]Talkatone.

TextPlus.

WhatsApp.

There are others but those are probably the 3 biggest.

Pro-tip on the GV: I have multiple numbers. Most aren't linked to any real phone number (or real Google account) of mine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2289306]Try the Hushed app. Economical and seems to be improving all the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FScott;2289263]I use a pay as you go burner phone, and keep all my m&gs and FC visits in there as well. I've been doing that for four years and it works like a charm.[/QUOTE]Thanks all.

I am giving TextPlus a try now. It seems to work well, except that I have to delete all my messages everytime just in case someone opens the app by accident and see all those texts from the SBs.

With Google Voice, can I just put it in Spam folder, or Star folder rather than Inbox. So even if someone opens it, there are no texts to see.

Scott, maintaining a secondary physical phone seems like to much work to try to hide from the warden. I never really give it any thought. I am thinking an app on the phone is a bit easier.

There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.

Let me add to the conversation. I have used Pinger / Textfree. It is a web service, it does not work on my BB, its free, unlimited txts, you can have multiple numbers, etc. I use it as my "precaution" number. That is, in case I feel uneasy with the gal, its a throw away number.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2290238]Thanks all.

I am giving TextPlus a try now. It seems to work well, except that I have to delete all my messages everytime just in case someone opens the app by accident and see all those texts from the SBs.

With Google Voice, can I just put it in Spam folder, or Star folder rather than Inbox. So even if someone opens it, there are no texts to see.

Scott, maintaining a secondary physical phone seems like to much work to try to hide from the warden. I never really give it any thought. I am thinking an app on the phone is a bit easier.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2290975]There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.[/QUOTE]Be careful. I joined the site some time back and got suckered into paying for the credits needed to send and receive messages. About half of the women on WYP only want to get money for the date. They will meet you, ask for the cash and there it ends. There are others looking for a real SB / SD relationship but they get insulted if you offer an amount that might be reasonable (20-50 in my mind) for a normal MnG. In almost every case, in the Cincinnati area, the women who are really looking to be SB's are also going to eventually appear on SA or SD4 Me. On those sites, I would never pay for a MnG. Based on my experience, WYP is useful only to the extent that it lures the 'no sex' SB's off the real sites and onto one more suited to their interests. For someone wanting a real SB, WYP is a net-net negative. It wastes your time and money on women who will never be SB's while only duplicating the real SB's that can be found elsewhere.

Of course, YMMV.

RB.

Being a non tech savvy old dude I am happy with burners. My SO pokes around my phone if she is feeling insecure so I don't want to have any suspicious apps I can't explain. The down side is I can not keep it anywhere she is, so I am out of touch with my Babies nights and weekends when I am at home. And I can toss it and buy a new one anytime I am worried.

SB #1.

Solidly loving, multiorgasmic and reliable at 1. 5 / pop. Not my body type but good enough and a super tight Kitty. She's an 8 face /6. 5/9/9 And all mine at the moment.

Pot#1.

Pretty much a 9. 5 across the Board so far. A beautiful blue eyed blonde spinner away at school and home on breaks. We settled on 2 Benjies / pop. Honestly she seems TGTBT, so we will see. I think guys locally are probably slobbering all over this girl so she might get multiple GPS offers and flake on me. I am not counting this chicken before she hatches but I will report to the membership either way. M&G in 1 week and I'm ready for Christmas day to come every week training her.

MILFs.

All the attractive ones are GPS. They are working and not desperate so they are pricing their pussy too high for me. I don't like them anyway but would be interested at a bargain rate. Nandos are doable but too much drama for me.

UTR#1 (MILF).

Great lay at 1. 5 but into hit and run. If I can get her to relax for an hour or two we can have a good time. She is out of town so not easy to fit in (so to speak) She is a Cauc 8/8/8/8 and pretty low volume I think. She works full time, has a kid, and just needs some spending money.

Since my last report, all but a few of my POTs have taken themselves out of the running, either by flaking or just lapsing into silence after endless texts. The remaining four that I have been chatting with I don't hold any hope for: Two of them have distance and scheduling issues that are making it difficult to arrange even a M&G, and another one of them I don't really think is looking for a SD but she and I have some common interests so we've been texting periodically. And there's one that I'm almost 100% sure is a UTR (I've met friends of hers that are UTRs), but she goes long periods of radio silence and then she'll contact me for about a day or two before going silent again. If any of these four do lead to anything beyond a M&G, I suspect it would be her (who is naturally my least favorite and attractive of the quartet).

There is one SB I'm seeing regularly and one I've seen once and might be seeing again eventually:

My regular SB is the one that was very passive in bed and continues to be that way, which led to a dispute between us recently. But I don't want to push her so hard that she ends things because she continues to be the most inexpensive SB I've ever seen ($ - $. 5 per visit, she's fine with whatever I give her), she's able to see me multiple times a week (never had that experience with a SB before), and she's fine with BB. She's a really nice girl and looks fantastic in a girl next door way, it's just her sexual passiveness drives me to irritation. But right now the pro's far outweigh the one con with her.

I saw another new SB a couple of weeks ago for an overnight. Very, very cute face and she provides a great GFE through texts and during the date. She's also into being sexually dominated. She's chunkier than I like, but it mostly looks good on her. We are planning on seeing each other again by the end of the year.

On "I do not have a boyfriend!

You: "so lets meet downtown at XYZ at 6 for dinner. I hope your BF does not work there. ".

She: "I do not have a boyfriend!

If your vivid imagination immediately and conveniently draws a mental picture of this pretty young thing starved for sex, well, hold your horses. As I recently realized, what they actually mean is that they do not have a steady or exclusive partner. The girl who is seeing a few of her male friends here and there, or even who has a guy she bangs five days a week out of seven (but they never agreed "to be exclusive") will tell you that she "does not have a boyfriend". And, in her mind, she honestly believes she does not.

On fast tracking.

This has been said before, and I completely agree. The shorter the time you let pass between the SA messaging, texting and M&G, the higher is the possibility you will safely deliver your apprehensive date into a FC. If they are not ready to M&G this week for whatever reason (and you are and you told them so), it may be best to move on to the next. However, I never had good luck going after brand new people. It looks like it is essential to let them discover for themselves what their expectations should be in your area. Yes, most of them understand that "a free car, a paid-off lease and a 15 K a month" is an unattainable goal, but many will start with this myth, divide it by 3 and think that is somehow "being reasonable". If you approach them with your 1. 5 or $$, they will think you are kidding. The sweet spot is when they no longer are chasing the guy with the Ferrari, but ready to settle for a handsome reasonable gent, fun to be with and a steady source of sugar. If that is when you happen to knock on their door, you are in (literally).

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2290975]There is a deal on this site with code SA2020. Can someone tell me how it works? Some of the girls are asking 200 and I would hate to pay that for just dinner.[/QUOTE]Personally, I found the fees for messaging to be outrageous, but a friend reports that upon the M&G he simply informs them that the fee he quoted includes a trip to the FC, their call. He reports that for many it is the best offer they ever got on that site.

Care to share the details of the discount code?

Have noticed an uptick in pot SBs on SA reaching out and essentially ready to meet at the FC without even knowing what I look like. Some are a s young as 18/19 but there are also the 20 something single moms. I'm doing a M&G with a 25 yo tomorrow for lunch but she is already asking about an extended time possibility. I already have a get together with my 20 yo coed, my red (I mean jello red) 25 yo, and an over due meet up with my 32 yo asian babe this week. Is the holiday season driving some of these girls to be a little more desperate? There was someone on this board that posted about needing a secretary. I think I can relate.

Gentlemen,

On the subject of taking first crack at the new babies vs letting them get a dose of reality first, I actually do something that is a combination of both, which seems to work extremely well for me.

I jump on all the new profiles every morning, sending them a personalized version of my standard 1st contact message which I have been perfecting over the years. This will usually get me a few immediate responses, but not always from the hottest babies in the group. Fine.

I wait about a week, then send a follow up message to those who I see have read the first message but not replied. It's humorous and brief but to the point, along the lines of "by now you've weeded through all the jerks, perverts and convicts. " and reiterating my desire to meet for coffee or drinks and a "chemistry test. " I find this often works even better than my initial contact, and I've subsequently been able to bed most of these "2nd timers", due to the fact that apparently most of the idiots in the Chicago Bowl are, in fact, jerks, perverts or convicts. Some of the stories I've heard would make Howard Stern blush at the level of crudeness. Hooray for me!

The lesson here is don't worry about getting them to a m&g in the first few days of their signing up. If you can, great. Work it. But I also find value in letting the other SDs self-destruct, then coming back with politeness and gentlemanliness. The desired result, POTF, is still the same, but the babies have had a reality check in the meantime, both in terms of sugar expectations and how many fairytale princes are really out there.

Good luck to all, except my fellow Chicago SDs, if there are any on here. To them I say, keep on doing what you're doing. Works for me!

Peace, and do no harm.

Scott.

So I am working up this hottie 20 yr old who is scheduled as soon as exams are over. She sent me a pic as requested and asking for a return.

Here's the dilemma. I have two fake pics up which show a blurry face shot and a neck down body shot, both very close to my real looks. (I've never had anyone doubt then) This Baby is in my home base and area of town and lives at home when she is not away at school. I am recognizable to many because of social prominence and job, possibly including her parents or friends. She might flee if I refuse, but I don't want my real visage out there in case she shows it around.

Do any of you have some BS verbiage to explain why I won't send her a pic? (And to be patient until our M&G to check me out).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2291954]So I am working up this hottie 20 yr old who is scheduled as soon as exams are over. She sent me a pic as requested and asking for a return.

Here's the dilemma. I have two fake pics up which show a blurry face shot and a neck down body shot, both very close to my real looks. (I've never had anyone doubt then) This Baby is in my home base and area of town and lives at home when she is not away at school. I am recognizable to many because of social prominence and job, possibly including her parents or friends. She might flee if I refuse, but I don't want my real visage out there in case she shows it around.

Do any of you have some BS verbiage to explain why I won't send her a pic? (And to be patient until our M&G to check me out).[/QUOTE]Usually, the tips / tactics / strategies I can offer are a package deal -- all or none. By that I mean that my own success is completely dependent on deploying the tactics as a complete strategy, and allowing even one of my rules to slip will cause the other tactics to be less effective.

That said, I think you've heard my rule of never dating close to home (when you have an SO that is). That tactic alone eliminates the dilemma presented in your post. I will spare you all of the ways that sidestepping that tactic can go sideways, because I know you're already aware of them, but it leads to another point:

If I didn't send these girls real pictures of myself, I would have very little success banging them. Don't get me wrong, I never post public photos, but I don't mind to send them one in private. It is a little bit risky in the sense that they could do something weird with one of my photos if things went bad, but it's a risk / reward scenario. The reward is that most of them are up for M&G, and the M&G almost always leads to the FC. None of that would be possible if I sent fake pics or no pics.

I know that's not what you're looking for. So, given the current situation I don't see what else you can do except tell her what you've said here. You're married, have professional reasons for not circulating pics and that's just the way it is, and that you only ask for a half hour of her time to meet for coffee or whatever. Worst that can happen is she will say no. But going back to my initial rule of never scamming close to home, if you don't want to get caught, having a high percentage of them saying no is actually a very good thing for you. A high percentage of yes answers too close to home would only come crashing down on you eventually (been there myself!!).

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2291443]On "I do not have a boyfriend!

You: "so lets meet downtown at XYZ at 6 for dinner. I hope your BF does not work there. ".

She: "I do not have a boyfriend!

If your vivid imagination immediately and conveniently draws a mental picture of this pretty young thing starved for sex, well, hold your horses. As I recently realized, what they actually mean is that they do not have a steady or exclusive partner. The girl who is seeing a few of her male friends here and there, or even who has a guy she bangs five days a week out of seven (but they never agreed "to be exclusive") will tell you that she "does not have a boyfriend". And, in her mind, she honestly believes she does not.

On fast tracking.

This has been said before, and I completely agree. The shorter the time you let pass between the SA messaging, texting and M&G, the higher is the possibility you will safely deliver your apprehensive date into a FC. If they are not ready to M&G this week for whatever reason (and you are and you told them so), it may be best to move on to the next. However, I never had good luck going after brand new people. It looks like it is essential to let them discover for themselves what their expectations should be in your area. Yes, most of them understand that "a free car, a paid-off lease and a 15 K a month" is an unattainable goal, but many will start with this myth, divide it by 3 and think that is somehow "being reasonable". If you approach them with your 1. 5 or $$, they will think you are kidding. The sweet spot is when they no longer are chasing the guy with the Ferrari, but ready to settle for a handsome reasonable gent, fun to be with and a steady source of sugar. If that is when you happen to knock on their door, you are in (literally).[/QUOTE]I never ask any girl really anything about anything. I will ask what is the oldest guy they have dated. That can start some interesting convo and give a pretty good insight into a lot of things. I never ask for their pics or pic codes either. I just ask for an email so I can send mine. Then in that email I ask for a couple of theirs if needed. Meaning they only have a head shot online.

Your home that is. She is from Richmond but lives in L. A. Super spinner body with full D add ons. She is a very sweet UTR girl but YMMV. I guess she will be in Richmond for Christmas and New Years. But you didn't hear that from me. LOL.

For me she is a 7/9/7/7. Saw her tonite and a few times over the last couple years.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=profile&pmid=4412954&from=mail_list[/URL]

Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?

Joe out!

[QUOTE=JoeBlowDC;2293440]Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?

Joe out![/QUOTE]I guess I don't understand the suggestion. When I say I don't want girls doing anything weird with my photos, I'm talking about things uploading my photo to "revenge" sites and badmouthing me, etc.

Crap like this: [URL]http://www.thedirty.com/category/dirty-business[/URL].

The more info I put online (linkedin, facebook whatever) the more opportunities they have to do it. Identity thieves love linkedin too.

This thread is amazing.

A dude in another state / city forum said to take a look at this thread. Wow.

So, after about a week of being a paid member of SA, I'll give a little newbie report.

First, about about a year ago, before I found SA, on fling dot com, I bumped into an ex stripper. We met, dinner, and back to the FC for an all night session. Damage was 1. 5. I've been seeing her about once every other month or so. She's a total freak in the sack, and might be the best 1. 5 investment I've ever made. She stays all night, and always leaves me with a smile in the morning. I guess I was somewhat a SD before I even knew about SA.

So, last week, I paid for SA and started in. I texted with SB1, and did the M&G, and right back to the FC, after about an hour. 35, blonde. Would do the rate thing but I haven't figured out the categories yet. We watched some tv, and then hammered away. Did her three times in the course of two hours. She's a bigger girl, not grossly or anything, just big. She's 6 feet tall, about 3 inches taller than me. We hit it off so well, seriously, that it was no charge. She then got home and texted me her sob story and how I was only the 2nd guy she met (and first to get her to the FC). Evidently guy 1 took her to Wendy's and was a total loser, so she ate and bailed. And how she's got this business that's about to go under, etc. I think she might be a bit of a clinger, and she's got 4 kids. She's educated, got a decent degree, I think comes from a decent home and stuff, but, I dunno. I could see an every other weekend thing with her (her ex has the kids every other wknd), but can't see anything "serious. ".

SB2, I met and we had dinner, and back to the FC, and that's where she broached the subject of price. Being a noob, I offered 1. 5 and she said ok (should have gone 1, and seen if she'd take it), but she could only stay a couple hours. I like them to stay all night and I'll do them 3-5 times. Nothing better than wake up sex or BJ before going off to work. Nailed her 2 x in the 3 or so hours, and got a great massage. I've decided to play dumb and pretend any that I meet for the first time, it's also my first time ever. Let them do the talking. But from now on, I'm going to go with. 75 and work up, for an all nighter. SB2 will make a return trip and said she'd plan to stay all night. Supposedly tried to stay all night this time but nobody was home to let her dog out, couldn't get her brother or something on the cell to tell him so she left about 3 hours at the FC.

Have several pots online too. A couple of college girls / young 20's, and a 45 yr old "MILF who's not happy at home. " Had a real hot 23 year old, 5'3, supposedly 93 lbs, real spinner type, her pics were slick (and once I managed to get her email address, I managed to fb stalk her and her pics are legit). SHe was going to have to drive about an hour to my place, said she had done this one other time and now that guy was out of commission and he paid her 1000 a night. Ehhhh, GPS. I said no way to that, and she came down to 500, for an all nighter, and I held firm. She came down to 400, and I then said, "well, this is my first time, I must not know how to do this, because I was thinking along the lines of like 100 plus 50 for gas. " She went silent. Plus, she had stated if she came to stay all night, her "uncle" would be coming along to make sure she was safe, and would need to crash at my pad too. Ehhhh, definitely not. I was willing to *maybe* do 200 on her (bc she was pretty hot for around here), but not any more than that. We'll see how far she gets asking those prices. Maybe she'll come back around. I'm guessing the 1000 story was bs.

And someone mentioned in the thread below (no idea where, I've read so much), about how you can let the idiots jump on them imediately, and then when you swoop in a week later and be normal, it's home run derby. Both sb1 and 2 have been that way. They had both been M&G with one other guy, who they just M&G, and bailed.

Got to love SA. Great thread here and tons of info, great job guys.

[QUOTE=JoeBlowDC;2293440]Might I offer a suggestion for those concerned with their likeness getting caught out in the wild. As a working professional, I keep a profile up on LinkedIn and other professional networking sites that are open to the public. Why not just use those?[/QUOTE]In 3 words: Google Image Search.

If you are sending out pics or otherwise making them available, you want to use pics that you know are not anywhere on the internet linked to the real you. Otherwise it's just too easy to put 2+2 together.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2293651]
And someone mentioned in the thread below (no idea where, I've read so much), about how you can let the idiots jump on them imediately, and then when you swoop in a week later and be normal, it's home run derby. Both sb1 and 2 have been that way. [/QUOTE]That works I am sure, except well over 50% of the hot NP's bail after 1 to 3 days, so if you don't get in on day one you"re out.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2293856]That works I am sure, except well over 50% of the hot NP's bail after 1 to 3 days, so if you don't get in on day one you"re out.[/QUOTE]Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!
I think it was my post that Al was referencing, and as I said I always jump on the new babies with my standard / customized message, but if they don't respond, I don't count them out. I wait a week for them to get deluged by douchebags, then follow up. I have found that they may stop checking their profiles daily, but they usually don't delete them, so a notice of my message goes to their email.
I'm like a breath of fresh air with my courtly manners and yada yada, and once I get them to an m&g, it is usually a matter of mere logistics to get them to the FC, if the attraction is there.
Fluidity is the name of the game, my friends. There is no magic formula that works for all babies, but there are certainly approaches that will get the dialogue started. It then falls back on us to bring the game.
I admit that there are always the few who climb out of the Bowl before I can follow up, but as I've said before, you can't fuck them all, as much as I would like to. It's not foolproof, but if you want a Sure Thing, buy a blow up doll or call a hooker.

Peace,

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2294430]Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!
I think it was my post that Al was referencing, and as I said I always jump on the new babies with my standard / customized message, but if they don't respond, I don't count them out. I wait a week for them to get deluged by douchebags, then follow up. I have found that they may stop checking their profiles daily, but they usually don't delete them, so a notice of my message goes to their email.
I'm like a breath of fresh air with my courtly manners and yada yada, and once I get them to an m&g, it is usually a matter of mere logistics to get them to the FC, if the attraction is there.
Fluidity is the name of the game, my friends. There is no magic formula that works for all babies, but there are certainly approaches that will get the dialogue started. It then falls back on us to bring the game.
I admit that there are always the few who climb out of the Bowl before I can follow up, but as I've said before, you can't fuck them all, as much as I would like to. It's not foolproof, but if you want a Sure Thing, buy a blow up doll or call a hooker.

Peace,

Scott.[/QUOTE]It seems that lately the bowl is overflowing with cute, new and most importantly willing girls. I think part of my personal success is that I really stick close to my demographic. My attraction is real and they can sense that. At my age I am just not going to get it up for someone if the chemistry isn't there. I guess I am not too big on the charm and the wining and dining. I'd rather get them right at their hour of need and uncertainty. Lay my cards on the table and let them make an informed decision.

But tactics and time frames can vary. Today a girl I messaged a month ago (then deleted on the 7th day as is my m.o.) messaged me back today. A 10/10 5'3" (pictured below). So I am sure she was inundated with riff raff or has GPS. She said we needed to talk. That usually means up sell. As I am very clear on my terms. But I have really gotten over the "omg I let that one get away" syndrome. There are just too many to ever meet even a quarter of the ones that agree to my rates.

I have never yet been in a long term relationship (meaning 10 or more dates lol) where SB creep doesn't start to settle in. Or even jump off the scale. So I have to start low just to stay in the game.

[QUOTE=FScott;2294430]Sometimes this is a patient man's game, which is why I like using the fly fishing ananolgy that I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing!
[/QUOTE]Just like various fishing holes, results and observations can vary greatly between locations. During my last SD venture, I targeted about 8-10 different metropolitan areas. Did not get to visit them all, but learned a lot about how much difference geography can make. In some areas the girls were in and out fast. Sometimes they appeared, then were out, but contacted me weeks later following up to my initial mail. In some cases I saw girls who were still available (confirmed via message) that I had seen a year earlier on the sites, with only minor updates to their profile (including pics that were at least a year old, making me wonder how current the pics were). Some cities just have higher turnover than others.

I usually have about a 10 date limit where I am trying to decide if it can go any further. This year 5 new girls made it that far and none made it further. Three are totally gone and two are left. Here is one of them. The "tomboy princess" (pictured). She is at date 11 coming up (maybe tonite). In bed we are awesome. She is a true spinner. 5'11" and 118. But I am still pining a little for my x. Got to find someone to make me forget about her.

We are all (or mostly all) on this thread for a reason. And that reason is that even a super hot UTR girl is still just a fuck. If you are single like me (or in a not so satisfying SO relationship) you want all the great GF stuff that sometimes goes along with having an exclusive SB. I dont really care about being in a forever relationship. But I love being in the honeymoon phase. When that's over I'm gone or planning my escape. I have been pretty lucky in lust though never too lucky in love. At least I will have some company over the holidays.

Hollywood has got it right, the Honeymoon is what brings me back, and GFE. I am not interested in any girl who doesn't treat me like her treasured BF. Covered service is not an option as one of those mandatory things. Unfortunately, I am not content with one girl. That old familiarity creeps in and even though the sex is great there is something about variety.

Appropos to the earlier discussion about patience(see Pot #2).

Pot #1.

9. 5 WF still on track and communicating leading up to M&G this week. She agrees to all FC activities except FS 1st date. She is a virgin she says, so we will see about that. I am excited about the possibilities but I give her a 50% chance of showing. She is saying things that confirm that the rush is on with my brother mongers. She has retrofitted her profile with a no sex statement. I will give it one date if she shows and FS has to happen date #2 or I'm moving on.

Pot#2.

She pinged me ans I answered. No sex she said on her profile, so I told her I was interested but that FS has to be in the picture. I week later she came back with the agreement that she was interested. Of course it is all in the offer so we will see if she has GPS.

Pot #3.

Got a hit from a 45 yr old super hot looking MILF. I'd call her a 9/9 WF super banging body with DD bolt ons with a small frame. I might have to break my unwritten rule about senior citizens. I will not do menopause with anyone else. Been there / done that. Nothing good happens physically after that time of life, certainly regarding sexual function.

Christmas is a time of joy / and need. The Babies are coming out in droves because of the need for funds. They want to perform as little as possible for the most they can get.

Question for the guys having unprotected sex with their sb's. Do all of you have vasectomies, or are you just praying that she's telling the truth about being on birth control? I hate condoms, and usually need to be finished off orally, but I think I would be a nervous wreck after each unprotected encounter.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2295406]Question for the guys having unprotected sex with their sb's. Do all of you have vasectomies, or are you just praying that she's telling the truth about being on birth control? I hate condoms, and usually need to be finished off orally, but I think I would be a nervous wreck after each unprotected encounter.[/QUOTE]Got one about 6 years ago. Changed my life.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2295429]Got one about 6 years ago. Changed my life.[/QUOTE]I'm scheduled for 12/24. Merry Christmas and an even happier New Year!

[QUOTE=DogSun;2295406]Question for the guys having unprotected sex with their sb's. Do all of you have vasectomies, or are you just praying that she's telling the truth about being on birth control? I hate condoms, and usually need to be finished off orally, but I think I would be a nervous wreck after each unprotected encounter.[/QUOTE]I don't worry about it. The key is anonymity. If they can't find you all is good. Having said that, STDs are a risk but most are treatable. The sniff test rules out a lot as discussed thoroughly in past entries. I always thoroughly inspect all my babies in the FC visually and orally before FS. Any suspicious aromas or bumps lead me to rethink diving in. I also have a convo about their periods, what time of the month it is, and encourage them to get on Birth Control. If they aren't on anything and the time of the month is worrysome I will pull out and paint their titties (sometimes it will reach their face if I am excited enough) I am old enough to have great control without the dreaded precum. There are Apps that if you plug in their period and normal cycle length you get a "at risk" range from low to high. That isn't perfect but it beats the heck out of condoms.

Young boys probably like condoms to prolong their finish but for me I can't finish at all sometimes.