Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Tactless;3125114]I agree, and that's what I'm doing. I've installed plugins for tineye & google image searches which, in combination with the search functionality on this board, eliminate the need to really ask anything. It's actually quite hard to think of anything that hasn't already been asked so that may be the entire point of these useless posts. Which someone on another thread brought up. That they're really not clueless, they're just doing it to get their post count up for senior status. In either case (clueless or gaming system) I would advocate ignoring the question. But that would erode the sense of community here. So, instead of a test there could be a rating's system where you're given points per useful, informative, funny, etc. Post. Then the requirements for senior status could be changed to an amount of points. On top of that, you could have monitor the ratio of useless to non-useless posts and an admin could take action if the ratio was to high.

P.S. Ryder posted a picture, that I've never seen before, in her ad wearing glasses. I have to say she looks great with them, I bet she could totally pull off the sexy librarian look.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link to her new pic?

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3126037]Another Forum I belong to added a smit meter. If the member is a douche you can negatively smit him / her. If the member is helpful or contributes to the forum you can positively smit him. Her.[/QUOTE]But then you can have situations where people carry things too far. By limiting it to positive votes you eliminate drama and you should be limited to giving 1 point per post. I suppose you could still game the system by creating accounts to give your main account points. This leads to the next quote below.

[QUOTE=NatiDaddy;3125729]I like your ideas, but maybe too much labor for admin. I also don't think just being a senior member in itself carries much weight. I'm saying that 26 posts is not 865. When they're in the hundreds it usually equals years of experience for us FNG'S to benefit from. Thank you long time seniors! I really like your idea about Ryder. So who's going to be the first to request it?[/QUOTE]Yup. I imagine some message board packages come with some way of doing this but the devil is in the details and the trick would have a smart enough design to reduce work required from admins.

[QUOTE=JustForKicks63;3126205]Do you have a link to her new pic?[/QUOTE]Not sure it's new. It's new to me.

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3123517]Is it part of the game to set up an appointment then have it canceled and then get nothing but crickets?[/QUOTE]But all too common. The better providers can get tons of time wasting inquiries so consequently they won't get back to you right away. However, if you have an appointment set up and you are there and then she goes crickets, scratch her from your list, unless you really want to see her and she gives a good alibi. It is unusual for a provider to cancel an appointment once it is set up. Usually they just go quiet. The good ones don't do this but it does happen.

[QUOTE=Tactless;3126538]But then you can have situations where people carry things too far. By limiting it to positive votes you eliminate drama and you should be limited to giving 1 point per post. I suppose you could still game the system by creating accounts to give your main account points. This leads to the next quote below.

Yup. I imagine some message board packages come with some way of doing this but the devil is in the details and the trick would have a smart enough design to reduce work required from admins.

Not sure it's new. It's new to me.[/QUOTE]Yeah the negative smits got out of hand! The admin had enough of the bitching and he negatively smitted the whole forum member list to 1000 each!

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3122703]This week I spoke with Holly (of former duos with Lindsee), says she's back, solo and looking for old and new friends. A sweet and delightful blonde, very appealing with no rush attitude. So give this UTR a call. Vetted seniors may PM for digits. Stay safe and utr.

KT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3122720]Sorry, it's clean now.

KT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3126328]Well guys, guess what? While speaking wtth this enticing little blonde this week, Holly did mention she occasionally still does those delightful duos with Lindsee. So, for those of you who think you have that kind of stamina, you can't go wrong with this combo. So give this UTR a call. Vetted seniors may PM for digits. Stay safe and utr.

KT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Babyholly;3123429]Sorry about the inconvenience! I fixed it. Thanks for letting me know.[/QUOTE]Dude, I'm happy she's back, but this is all looking like a back-door advertisement to me. How did Holly "fix" your inbox? Got to log off those other accounts man. You getting any freebies? I mean, there's no report of an experience in any of those posts.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3127076]Dude, I'm happy she's back, but this is all looking like a back-door advertisement to me. How did Holly "fix" your inbox? Got to log off those other accounts man. You getting any freebies? I mean, there's no report of an experience in any of those posts.[/QUOTE]Yeppers, helps if you do your homework, check backpage #13525. Nopers, no freebies, just passing along the word, sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't, all I can vouch for is she treated me right in my dream and her recollection of that after a long period of time quite impressed me, if you snooze you lose, quite aware of on again off again relationship with the duos, there's a bit of history there. As for her fixing my inbox, don't think that's possible, don't know, just sayin'. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3132318]Yeppers, helps if you do your homework, check backpage #13525. Nopers, no freebies, just passing along the word, sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't, all I can vouch for is she treated me right in my dream and her recollection of that after a long period of time quite impressed me, if you snooze you lose, quite aware of on again off again relationship with the duos, there's a bit of history there. As for her fixing my inbox, don't think that's possible, don't know, just sayin'. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.[/QUOTE]But it would mean a lot more if you weren't hitting every forum in local cities dropping an ad. I get it, you want to help her. But you are just being a shill. I'm actually a little surprised that A2 allows it, but Holly and Lindsey were always sweeties.

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[blue]He's most likely an unmoderated senior and I have no idea what's happening. That's why all those posts there have a button on them that says "Report Post."

Or you can drop me a line that says "Hey I think X is shilling for Y (get it, the chick is Y) and I'll look at it.

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Thank you CincyHobbist!! You sir are a very kind gentleman and I want to thank you for your donation of candy for my bags for Vets. You get a free I do believe 2 hour session with me. Hope to see you soon!! The one and only winner!! Look for my next one!!

Always,

VR.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3133230]I get it, you want to help her. But you are just being a shill. [/QUOTE]
Dude, don't know what's gotten into your crawl, obviously I've pissed you off somehow. Don't know how or why because you don't know me, however I could care less. I went over all your past posts, so is it because you have history with Lindsey?

You are off base with the shilling accusation. Shilling, as stated in the abbreviations is "an insider posing as a satisfied customer, or a hobbyist who writes positive reviews in exchange for discounts or special favors from an agency or provider. " In which case, absolutely without a doubt, neither pertains to me.

I met Holly only once back in January 2016, had a great dream and shared it. Twice since then she has contacted me inquiring about my health, which had nothing to do with the dream. Both times, I could be wrong, but I felt her to be genuine and caring, quite frankly it impressed me that she was concerned. It's not often you see that from these ladies, so I admit I went a little overboard trying to help her out, solely on my own.

So, A2, I apologize if I did something wrong, I was only trying to convey to others how she treated me, sadly, as we've already seen, YMMV.

Chill Roger, forget about that "flaming" accusation, there's more to life than making a frivolous fuss, so lay it to rest. You know, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. That's all I have to say, life's too short, I'm done. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3134838]Dude, don't know what's gotten into your crawl, obviously I've pissed you off somehow. Don't know how or why because you don't know me, however I could care less. I went over all your past posts, so is it because you have history with Lindsey?

You are off base with the shilling accusation. Shilling, as stated in the abbreviations is "an insider posing as a satisfied customer, or a hobbyist who writes positive reviews in exchange for discounts or special favors from an agency or provider. " In which case, absolutely without a doubt, neither pertains to me.

I met Holly only once back in January 2016, had a great dream and shared it. Twice since then she has contacted me inquiring about my health, which had nothing to do with the dream. Both times, I could be wrong, but I felt her to be genuine and caring, quite frankly it impressed me that she was concerned. It's not often you see that from these ladies, so I admit I went a little overboard trying to help her out, solely on my own.

So, A2, I apologize if I did something wrong, I was only trying to convey to others how she treated me, sadly, as we've already seen, YMMV.

Chill Roger, forget about that "flaming" accusation, there's more to life than making a frivolous fuss, so lay it to rest. You know, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. That's all I have to say, life's too short, I'm done. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.[/QUOTE]I have nothing against you, and it's always good to hear / see that a favorite provider is back. I just think it was all overboard (and probably a coordinated effort) to send the exact message over all the different city forums. I mean, you can act as innocent and feeble minded as you like, but you were absolutely advertising for her.

Anyway, I'm done.

How about those Cubs?

Why isit that the ladies at the AMP'S BELIEVE THEIR UP TOP FRONT IS SACRED? Finished negotiating -- asking--maneuvering to try and get there. Buzz kill big time. They all must have the.

Same play book. Frustrating--No More posted for my friend DTJ Ladies your no longer worth it.

Thanks Back to America.

Mongers, is the hobby your only outlet in terms of women? Or do you have success with women outside the hobby, be it a pretty good love life at home or success at seducing women in everyday life? I'm just curious to know.

Mine is the refrain probably familiar to many of you, as far as that particular aspect of marriage went downhill after we were done having kids. Being 50-ish and average looking at best, I get very occasional IOIs (indicators of interest) from other women in everyday life, but nothing ever really materializes. There's one chick I know who I'm pretty sure I could turn into a FWB, but she has some mental health issues that could life a bit too interesting. So here I am.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3136940]Mongers, is the hobby your only outlet in terms of women? Or do you have success with women outside the hobby, be it a pretty good love life at home or success at seducing women in everyday life? I'm just curious to know.

Mine is the refrain probably familiar to many of you, as far as that particular aspect of marriage went downhill after we were done having kids. Being 50-ish and average looking at best, I get very occasional IOIs (indicators of interest) from other women in everyday life, but nothing ever really materializes. There's one chick I know who I'm pretty sure I could turn into a FWB, but she has some mental health issues that could life a bit too interesting. So here I am.[/QUOTE]Had some FB hook-ups but they require way to much legwork and come with baggage. While I was "doing" that I stumbled onto ECCI and realized why wise men before have said: I don't pay them to fuck me I pay them to leave.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3136940]Mongers, is the hobby your only outlet in terms of women? Or do you have success with women outside the hobby, be it a pretty good love life at home or success at seducing women in everyday life? I'm just curious to know.

Mine is the refrain probably familiar to many of you, as far as that particular aspect of marriage went downhill after we were done having kids. Being 50-ish and average looking at best, I get very occasional IOIs (indicators of interest) from other women in everyday life, but nothing ever really materializes. There's one chick I know who I'm pretty sure I could turn into a FWB, but she has some mental health issues that could life a bit too interesting. So here I am.[/QUOTE]My background is similar. I tried the girlfriend option. I found that she wanted to know where I lived, what my first and last name was, phone number, kids, where and when I work etc. Then she can use that info to cause drama for me. Playing in the hobby is much easier, especially since burner phones. The cost is comparable when you consider the time invested and count dinner, movies, wine etc. Oh and don't forget the workplace drama.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3135905]...I just think it was all overboard (and probably a coordinated effort) to send the exact message over all the different city forums. I mean, you can act as innocent and feeble minded as you like, but you were absolutely advertising for her...[/QUOTE]How the hell do you even think my post was coordinated? I alone, of my own free will, made the decision to share my experience and opinion of this provider to two cities (not "all") in the tri-state region. I did admit a little excessive in doing so.

When you call me feeble minded perhaps you should take a look at the posting guideline rule number two which says "No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. " As I said before, obviously you do not know me and thus are quite unqualified to throw out, in both your posts, flaming statements and acqusations about me.

As for advertising for her, absolutely, that's what we mongers do. Call it what you want, I call it sharing. I'm sure we mongers welcome that, that's what these forums consist of, and some do it very well, sharing the good or the bad. Some just toot their own horn, and even some wish to be admins, which by the way, I'm beginning to wonder which group you are in?

I know, I said I was done with this, and I do wish it was so, but dude, when you persist, sometimes you ask for it. Like I said, dude you don't know me, you don't have a clue, so Roger dodger, it's Over rover. I hope you're smart enough to let it go. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.

[QUOTE=ItsTimeToEat;3137213]Had some FB hook-ups but they require way to much legwork and come with baggage. While I was "doing" that I stumbled onto ECCI and realized why wise men before have said: I don't pay them to fuck me I pay them to leave.[/QUOTE]I agree with ItsTimeToEat. Though the fantasy is nice when you're with a provider, it's even better when they leave. My personal experience is as such, the sex at home is boring and it's nice to have a young body to play with. I don't love my wife any less but most women can't understand it's just sex to men. I've had side pieces on a regular for the past 10 yrs. I never try to hide the fact I'm married and I tell them point blank that I will Never leave my wife cause I love my kids and what I have in life. A couple I had to let go cause they got way too attached but I broke it off peacefully so there wouldn't be any repercussions at home. So far so good, knock on wood. I had great success with Ashley Madison but once that went belly up that's when I found this site. Hope this helps.

On a side note. I'm traveling to paris in a couple weeks with the significant other. I have time to play during the day while she's working. Has any mongers visited and got any insite on finding some action there and price points? Any help is greatly appreciated. PM if you like. Stay safe.

Knight.

Are you done for real this time? He rightfully called you out, now let it go.

[QUOTE=Ktom13;3137642]How the hell do you even think my post was coordinated? I alone, of my own free will, made the decision to share my experience and opinion of this provider to two cities (not "all") in the tri-state region. I did admit a little excessive in doing so.

When you call me feeble minded perhaps you should take a look at the posting guideline rule number two which says "No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. " As I said before, obviously you do not know me and thus are quite unqualified to throw out, in both your posts, flaming statements and acqusations about me


As for advertising for her, absolutely, that's what we mongers do. Call it what you want, I call it sharing. I'm sure we mongers welcome that, that's what these forums consist of, and some do it very well, sharing the good or the bad. Some just toot their own horn, and even some wish to be admins, which by the way, I'm beginning to wonder which group you are in?

I know, I said I was done with this, and I do wish it was so, but dude, when you persist, sometimes you ask for it. Like I said, dude you don't know me, you don't have a clue, so Roger dodger, it's Over rover. I hope you're smart enough to let it go. Peace, stay safe and utr.

KT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Winston1984;3137265]My background is similar. I tried the girlfriend option. I found that she wanted to know where I lived, what my first and last name was, phone number, kids, where and when I work etc. Then she can use that info to cause drama for me. Playing in the hobby is much easier, especially since burner phones. The cost is comparable when you consider the time invested and count dinner, movies, wine etc. Oh and don't forget the workplace drama.[/QUOTE]And in the end I've found that pay-for-play rules. I will offer that if you want to keep your identity secret, don't take them anywhere. You never know when a bartender or waitress will walk up with your bill and say "thank you Mr. <yournamehere .

[QUOTE=Willow1535;3137997]Are you done for real this time? He rightfully called you out, now let it go.[/QUOTE]
Really Willie? You know, a couple years back I was levied an infraction in the forum for DMP - Discouraging Members from Posting; actually what I said was misunderstood because I would never suggest that to another member, but it was the way Admin2 read it, I didn't argue it. So, what I'm getting here, is you and RO are DMPing me. So, are you a wanna be also? I can't believe you actually read everything, in spite of my apologies, still getting the acausations and name calling, neither of you know me, and this is your two cents worth? Well, keep the change dude.

[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;3134725]Thank you CincyHobbist!! You sir are a very kind gentleman and I want to thank you for your donation of candy for my bags for Vets. You get a free I do believe 2 hour session with me. Hope to see you soon!! The one and only winner!! Look for my next one!!

Always,

VR.[/QUOTE]HOT DAMN! I am a winner winner that gets more then a chicken dinner!

Hard to believe my fellow mongers didn't participate in the raffle! LOL.

So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?

#2 is by far the biggest problem. Do not keep condoms! If your phone is found just say you became addicted to prescription pain pills after xxx happened in your life and were too embarrassed to tell her. You used the phone to contact your dealer. That may work. If the condoms are found you lose your kids and your house.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]These are all risks you take if you partake in this hobby. Do your homework scout your locations and trust your gut.

[QUOTE=Nky2000;3139745]#2 is by far the biggest problem. Do not keep condoms! If your phone is found just say you became addicted to prescription pain pills after xxx happened in your life and were too embarrassed to tell her. You used the phone to contact your dealer. That may work. If the condoms are found you lose your kids and your house.[/QUOTE]Priceless. LOL.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]Haven't had any issues with any of these. That's why I use the search tool before I make my move.

And as far as #3, I always get checked up after every encounter regardless.

If you have an ohio mailing address:

[URL]http://ohiv.org/learn/free-condoms/[/URL]

Arrives in an unmarked package, and can be sent to your office / work / etc.

You can order as many times as you like, but it takes a few weeks to get them.

My advice to the OP: I use covers for everything, 100% of the time. Yes, there is still a risk even in that case, but that's as good as it gets. Set aside part of your monger budget to get the full STD panel at Any Lab Test now every once in a while.

With rare exceptions, I stick with providers who have been reviewed here and I will dig deeper into my monger budget to make repeat visits to providers who are the complete package in terms of looks, service, location, no apparent signs of drug use, and no drama. Busty Red fits that description best of the current available providers I've seen. I'm not saying other current providers don't fit that description. I'm just saying of the current providers I know, she's the one who I can feel the most relatively relaxed about seeing.

If you see a provider and you get a feeling something bad is going to happen, keep your cool, don't lose your temper, and just GTFO. The last thing you need is a black eye you can't explain to the wifey.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]
1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?
[/QUOTE]This one stuck out to me based on my visit to Courtney Star the other day. She was in a hotel in Sharonville, like so many girls on the ads seem to be. As I approached her door, the neighbors opened up. A pretty cute black girl was giving me "the look. " (I guess as a white guy in shirt and tie, at that particular time of day, it was pretty obvious what I was doing.) A guy came out after her. Maybe a BF / handler / pimp, whatever. Didn't bother me because that was not the room I was there to see.

Anyway, I asked Courtney if she knew the neighbors, and she didn't. She just remarked how there were tons of girls working in that hotel. That's when it hit me. Not a new thought. But it really hit me.

The city is TEEMING with escorts. Those who advertise online, and undoubtedly plenty who don't. It's really quite remarkable, how many guys must be paying for sex pretty much at any given moment, and how many girls are out there working like this.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]#3 is the biggie for me. The others are bad, but you can rebuild your life in the aftermath. Depending on which disease you get, you might not be able to do anything, and remember that there are now drug-resistant varieties of gonorrhea and syphilis. I wonder about all the guys who talk about the qualities of BBBJ. I never do anything beyond a HJ without a cover. As for #2, I don't keep a supply of condoms. If I need one, I buy some. That leads to some waste, but it is better than the alternative. I have been ripped off occasionally, but I try to avoid that by sticking to well-known providers, and, hey, it's only money.

[QUOTE=Golden3;3140256]#3 is the biggie for me. The others are bad, but you can rebuild your life in the aftermath. Depending on which disease you get, you might not be able to do anything, and remember that there are now drug-resistant varieties of gonorrhea and syphilis. I wonder about all the guys who talk about the qualities of BBBJ. I never do anything beyond a HJ without a cover. As for #2, I don't keep a supply of condoms. If I need one, I buy some. That leads to some waste, but it is better than the alternative. I have been ripped off occasionally, but I try to avoid that by sticking to well-known providers, and, hey, it's only money.[/QUOTE]Most corner stores in the city sell them 1 at a time. Magnums for1. 25 regular transfer red or blue 1. 00 HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3140344]Most corner stores in the city sell them 1 at a time. Magnums for1. 25 regular transfer red or blue 1. 00 HL29.[/QUOTE]Re being ripped off, in my case, it has mostly been not getting anything resembling the service I paid for. I don't take anything in with me except the money I plan to spend. I even take off my watch and my rings (the latter more out of embarrassment than fear). Once, I was uncertain, and I took 10 or 20 extra, and, after I left, I found that it was missing from my pocket. I know about getting condoms one at a time, but, it seems that, when I need one, I can't find packages smaller than 3.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3140082]This one stuck out to me based on my visit to Courtney Star the other day. She was in a hotel in Sharonville, like so many girls on the ads seem to be. As I approached her door, the neighbors opened up. A pretty cute black girl was giving me "the look. " (I guess as a white guy in shirt and tie, at that particular time of day, it was pretty obvious what I was doing.) A guy came out after her. Maybe a BF / handler / pimp, whatever. Didn't bother me because that was not the room I was there to see.

Anyway, I asked Courtney if she knew the neighbors, and she didn't. She just remarked how there were tons of girls working in that hotel. That's when it hit me. Not a new thought. But it really hit me.

The city is TEEMING with escorts. Those who advertise online, and undoubtedly plenty who don't. It's really quite remarkable, how many guys must be paying for sex pretty much at any given moment, and how many girls are out there working like this.[/QUOTE]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3140582]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?[/QUOTE]I submit it isn't the same thing. We have more girls with less stigma for sure, but it is getting difficult to find real providers that aren't drug addicts.

Great discussion. Keep it going!

I find it interesting that there is very little comment on my #1 concern of LE. Obvious many of the providers are said to be visiting their uncle, but it seems like this is mostly due to drugs and not due to our hobby. Only been around for 2 months but are there any verifiable stories of a monger going to a provider who ended up being LE or working with LE?

Obviously the biggest risk of this would be with a new provider and a monger TOFTT. There are some new hotties out there but until they have viable reviews on this site I will be very leary.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3140582]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?[/QUOTE]I am sure the two go hand in hand. The internet has made it much easier for guys to meet providers. The internet has also made it much easier for providers to do this, because I would imagine there are a lot of girls and mongers who would not have done this before. There is no way I would have picked up some local paper and gone through it to call girls. Just wouldn't have crossed my mind but with the internet I can contact them effortlessly via the computer. Night and day.

Couple that with the heroin epidemic and presto you have a thriving business.

I would bet there are at least ten times the number of participants on both sides since the use of the internet and the heroin epidemic.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;3140804]I am sure the two go hand in hand. The internet has made it much easier for guys to meet providers. The internet has also made it much easier for providers to do this, because I would imagine there are a lot of girls and mongers who would not have done this before. There is no way I would have picked up some local paper and gone through it to call girls. Just wouldn't have crossed my mind but with the internet I can contact them effortlessly via the computer. Night and day.

Couple that with the heroin epidemic and presto you have a thriving business.

I would bet there are at least ten times the number of participants on both sides since the use of the internet and the heroin epidemic.[/QUOTE]I think you are right especially about the heroin explosion. I really believe if it wasn't for that drug the amount of providers at every level would be 20 percent of what it is currently.

You didn't mention the risk of exposure through your digital trail. It's not simply a matter of having a burner phone, but all the communications, browser history, usernames and reviews, credit card records, bank records, phone logs, etc. One careless slip, and the house can come crashing down on you. There are many precautions you can take to minimize these risks. Diligence and consistency are the key to limiting your exposure.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3140693]Great discussion. Keep it going!

I find it interesting that there is very little comment on my #1 concern of LE. Obvious many of the providers are said to be visiting their uncle, but it seems like this is mostly due to drugs and not due to our hobby. Only been around for 2 months but are there any verifiable stories of a monger going to a provider who ended up being LE or working with LE?

Obviously the biggest risk of this would be with a new provider and a monger TOFTT. There are some new hotties out there but until they have viable reviews on this site I will be very leary.[/QUOTE]What I have to admit is that there is a "payoff" to risktaking. The sneeking, lying, risk taking etc. All ties in with the primary 'payoff' of the deed. I do not worry too much about disease due to minimized risk exposure on my end however the reality is I am not 100% impervious to it. I have mentioned poor dental health and the capacity of blood being in saliva so even kissing can make it possible in another post aways back. Very low odds however the reality is there no matter how much I want to pretend is does not exist. Also so many of these concerns tend to get pushed under the carpet in my mind out of complacency, by doing it so often, but then something happens like I see what looks like a dopeboy or someone I deem as a threat, or perhaps a cruser closeby. And it is brought to the forefront for that moment in time. As for fear #1 LE concern. It is a grave concern yet since I keep my circle of friends low, and when meeting new friends I only see reviewed SP's. My general assumption in my mind is I will be safe from that risk even though being in the wrong place at the wrong time can happen as well, so I tend to think that is the only way I will get to meet my least favorite uncle is by bad timing of my whereabouts. My largest fear at the end of the day is my wife finding out, whether it be from a strand of hair I missed that wound up on my underwear or shirt, or getting caught in a lie I cannot worm out of. I have not been a TOFFT kindof guy I will admit I just don't have the balls, I have too much to lose and consider it too high a gamble at present. I have noticed my ' gambling ' has a threshold and over time that threshold seems to get lower and lower. And also, as for the " digital trail " just mentioned in the previous post... I prefer to ' forget ' the other reality that " Data is KING ". Data is what it is and so much revolves around it's accuracy and availability whether it be public or private. If and when I am confronted with " Data "... the odds of denying it is real will be a stretch at best. In the end this is one hell of a tightrope to walk lol. Great discussion BTW. Stay safe everyone!

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]1) I'm not aware of anyone being busted from this site. Stick with well vetted providers and you will be fine. And stay away from hotels. They are cop magnets.

2) I keep condoms in an athletic locker away from my home. Have never used a burner phone, although some guys swear by them. I instead use NQ Vault on my regular phone. Awesome, FREE, software.

3) I used to keep it 100% covered but I now do BBBJs. They are just so much better than covered. Never go BBFS, though. EVER!

4) Ripoffs are going to happen. Let them go. Don't sweat it. Don't fight it. Just get out when it happens and forget about it, don't get even. Most of these people, male or female, value your life as much as they value a plug nickel. They just don't want to get in trouble and get thrown in jail. That's about the only thing you have going for you.

5) I have been threatened 3 or 4 times by a male associate in some capacity. Be polite, apologize, say you had no idea she was with someone else AND LEAVE! More often than not they are set ups to extract more cash from you but they try to make it look like you are hitting on their girl, unbeknownst to them. Almost never the case. It is a scam.

6) As to digital concerns, I always purchase in cash or PayPal because only I have access to my PayPal account.