"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

With a slow office day, I met up with a buddy who's also a SD, but not a member of this site. We compared notes. He told me a story I thought was worthy of sharing.

He's been emailing this girl on SA for a bit and she was playing distant and such, replying in short tweets and not generally moving the conversation forward. Then one day she proposes that they meet. They agree on a time. And when he asks where she'd like to go for drinks, she proposes her place. She then quickly wanted to assess the level of sugar he was OK with by advancing $$$ as her service fee. Instead of negotiating, for fear of loosing the fish, he reflected to her that she was positioning the encounter as a premium, non-rushed, GFE / PSE experience. She agreed.

So with all pretenses of non-pro out of the way, he got to her place, was buzzed in and found her waiting in lingerie in her apartment. He told me there were high heels, dresses, lingerie and stuff everywhere. As well as a bowl with condoms and a few bottles of lube by the bed along with plenty of wet naps and paper towels. Clearly a high volume provider. He then proceeded to tell me all the nasty stuff he did to her and her to him. All the stuff I'm thus far I'm shut out from in the bowl: deep throat fuck, rimming, FIV, anal, breath control, slapping, you name it.

Where it gets interesting is what happens next: at allegedly the 90 min mark (dunno if I believe that), the lass informs him that she has someone else coming over in half an hour. She then asks if he'd be up for a threesome? My buddy's apparently not shy because he said "why not". She texted the other dude who obviously consented. Said dude showed up on time. I can only imagine how awkward that must have been. Anyway, still according to my bud, that led to more anal and some DP but no sword crossing. He says he finished part in her mouth, part on her tits following more throat fucking as her head was hanging off the bed. He says he left while the other two were still at it. She hadn't wiped anything off.

As, uh, interesting as that sounds, she's not my type, so I won't contact the free spirit. But I thought I'd share it with you fellas. Apparently anything can and does happen in the bowl.

SM.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2281508]So with all pretenses of non-pro out of the way, he got to her place, was buzzed in and found her waiting in lingerie in her apartment. He told me there were high heels, dresses, lingerie and stuff everywhere. As well as a bowl with condoms and a few bottles of lube by the bed along with plenty of wet naps and paper towels. Clearly a high volume provider. He then proceeded to tell me all the nasty stuff he did to her and her to him. All the stuff I'm thus far I'm shut out from in the bowl: deep throat fuck, rimming, FIV, anal, breath control, slapping, you name it.
[/QUOTE]If that's what you're after, there's no need to feel shut out. There are escorts, UTR girls, and SB wannabes that will do all of the above for a pre-agreed upon price. That's what your friend found that night. Just trolling CL or BP in any metro area of a reasonable size should turn up lots of this kind of thing. I just wish those types of girls wouldn't pollute the SD websites. I think they see it as "premium advertising", where they have less legal risk by camouflaging themselves by hiding behind the guise of an SB, preying on the gullibility of those unable to discern the difference between a selective SB and a high volume pro.

That's not to say that all of the above activities aren't available with real SBs, too, it's just that a real SB is going to take a lot more work to get everything you want than a wham-bam-thank-you-mam-pro. Perhaps the biggest difference is that with an SB, you'll be the one asking her to leave so you can get some sleep as opposed to her asking you to leave because she's got another customer to perform for.

One of the worst arguments I ever got into with an SB was when, after the third hour of fucking, I asked her if she would mind going on home and letting me sleep unbothered. I was drunk, dick-tired, and had a long drive the next day. My request did not sit well, because she had assumed we were now "an item" and she would be spending the entire night in my arms.

Hell hath no fury like a drunk college kid who just got sent home by a middle aged guy.

It's not a situation I want to repeat, particularly not the screaming (to the point I was worried about someone calling the cops), but at least after it was all said and done I knew she wasn't a pro that had another client appointment booked after her date with me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2278097]I am in spinner paradise. She is the tallest girl I have ever been with by far. 5'11' and 118. Amazing skills. Date 5 and counting. A true NP princess. But like I told her. "I really dont care what your story is as long as you can make me believe it". My experience tells me she is totally for real. I am not in doubt about her low mileage or NP status. Total for the first 5 dates is $$$$ so far. It's creeping up but she's well worth it.[/QUOTE]She is incredible looking, Hollywood Guy! I would love to live in a place like you do that has so much talent!!

I think this thread and I've said this before is very different from the rest of the forum in that it lacks immediate practicality. Normally one would be scanning their local thread in search of "I've seen X. Her pictures are accurate. She will provide. Expect to pony up $$ if you want Z". Here, it is pretty much useless if one were to attempt something along these lines. So is this thread just a vent, an exercise in ego and vain futility? Not at all. I talked to my buddy and here is his take.

Although "all markets are local", he found financial information here very useful. It was completely a surprise to him, transitioning from the oThER market, that money-wise the "allowance" is actually comparable or even better. He was expecting that the pretty, but intelligent college student who signs up for SA will be approached by numerous "mongers". So sooner or later she will figure out the oThER "going rate" and then set her "expectations" accordingly, up. After all, she is careful, passionate, intelligent, not a druggie and "not a hoe". To his surprise, even an intelligent student who did just that was approached by mongers, aware of the going rate and would state on multiple occasions that she is not a hoe would not expect a "oThER plus" compensation. Only now, three months into the bowl, he realized why his oThER friend keeps texting him, to find out if he finally got to his senses and wants to come back into her embrace. He politely texts back, but he certainly now knows that (as soon as SA is alive and well) he was overpaying and the oThER finds are just nowhere near a good deal.

I also think that veiled accusations sometimes leveled at people entering the bowl after years of playing for the oThER site are not entirely fair. I get the vibe that people coming from the other end (just your regular playboy players who boast to score "chicks for free") are under the impression that "mongers" are creepy ugly wrinkly 70 year-olds with ED, who would never score any decent date IRL. My friend has pretty modest means and now he is dating four young pretty college students, all of them keep coming back. If he were (see above, creepy ugly wrinkly etc.) that would probably not be possible.

I think my friend understands the difference. Unlike the oThER game, which is truly and plainly NSA, here you commit to an arrangement. If he promises to do it once a week, he will not renege on that. Actually, he says there have been days (not many, but some) when he felt tired / busy / not horny but a promise is a promise. He is honest; he never baits anyone saying that he is looking for a committed relationship, a "move-in / live-in" or a GF. However, he admitted saying something along the lines of "You are my main chick".

I told my friend that I am hopeful that my senior status will soon yield un-moderation. I do not care about moderation per se, but inability to edit the posts has always driven me bonkers.

I would like to second the vote for avoiding third person, ghost writing, and exposition by proxy. It gets the in the way and we are all busy. Just lay it out there. Being an SD is not illegal, and if your SO is watching your computer activity, the switcheroo isn't going to throw her off at all. If there's an internal struggle with shame, work that out and get back to us.

I'm guessing my imaginary friend would like to third the vote but I haven't heard back from him on that yet. LOL.

[QUOTE=BeardedMan67;2281872]She is incredible looking, Hollywood Guy! I would love to live in a place like you do that has so much talent!![/QUOTE]At the the thanksgiving table last night where our family tradition is to recount our blessings, I was so tempted to express my gratitude for living in the land of chocolate milk and honey. But I controlled myself. Just looking at all the old women at that table made me secretly overjoyed that I was getting the ultimate revenge.

But as to the aforementioned talent, I have gone on 7 dates with her so far and counting. I wish she was a little cuter but its a small price to pay for her NP status, perfect body and skill level. She told me on our last date that she is spoiled at home. She basically still lives with her X and all or most of her needs are taken care of. Except for one of course.

Over the holiday, just as I was about to break up with my webcam baby for lack of chemistry and skills, she txts me to break up saying we had an uneven relationship and I was getting the better half of the deal. Meaning she wanted to get paid more (and she will, just not from me). So that was a clean break.

I have really narrowed things down to the chosen few lately. I have quite a few M&G's lined up but as I slowly talk to the girls I can see the UTR status emerge on a few. In the past I would have just banged them once or twice, but now I am going a little slower. It's amazing how beautiful some of them are and all for $. But there is no future for a LTR and that is my ultimate goal. As my friend says, sometimes I like to "toot it and boot it", but 80% + of my donations go to my regulars.

It's great that a UTR will take a $ from an obviously experienced SD. They have been around long enough to know that the no drama type of meeting they will have with a guy like me is well worth the discount. A hard core pro or newbie GPS girl would never do that unless they were overly desperate in some not so good way. They stick to their $$ and more requests, which is good. It keeps them at bay. And yes there are cool NP's and UTR's at $$ in my area. They are usually the 9's and 10's in the looks dept and they know it. If I get rich one day I will travel that road, but for now I will stick with my 7/9's at a $.

The other 2 other reasons I only interview at $. First there is always a number 1 girl that I over spoil so I have to balance that out and second there is no guarantee that paying more gets you a girl with better skills. Better looking for sure, but you can never estimate a girls skills based on how pretty she is.

Well, I tried an experiment hoping that some real SB will convert to an ultralow volume UTR. I rewrote my "what I am looking for" section in SA plainly stating that I was looking for a FC arrangement since I can't date out in the community. I picked up a few UTRs at too high a $, and the little girls just aren't biting. Unfortunately they want the illusion of a non pro. So back to the fake stuff so that they willat least meet me. Usually if I can get them face to face I can prevail. Although the last 3 have not worked out. I got 1 to the FC a couple of times but her PPF was higher than I wanted to pay and she had a pro mentality. Hit the orgasm then OTD. The other M&G was doable but for too much. My latest failed. She agreed to the ride to my town for no intercourse (but I would do her) She went dark.

So I am grateful for the one I have who is OTW as we speak. We will have a rousing good time, I will fill her sweet pussy with cum, then back to my real life. I just like variety as we all do.

In my John days the service from out of town regularly recruited new girls 18 to upper 20's and sent them through. I could count on a new one every week and some were fantastic. They were new to the work, like SBs who needed some extra money, but of course were high volume. I liked the flow of newbies but what I like is a Low volume newbie. They were busted of course.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2282566]Well, I tried an experiment hoping that some real SB will convert to an ultralow volume UTR. I rewrote my "what I am looking for" section in SA plainly stating that I was looking for a FC arrangement since I can't date out in the community. I picked up a few UTRs at too high a $, and the little girls just aren't biting. Unfortunately they want the illusion of a non pro. So back to the fake stuff so that they willat least meet me. Usually if I can get them face to face I can prevail. Although the last 3 have not worked out. I got 1 to the FC a couple of times but her PPF was higher than I wanted to pay and she had a pro mentality. Hit the orgasm then OTD. The other M&G was doable but for too much. My latest failed. She agreed to the ride to my town for no intercourse (but I would do her) She went dark.

So I am grateful for the one I have who is OTW as we speak. We will have a rousing good time, I will fill her sweet pussy with cum, then back to my real life. I just like variety as we all do.

In my John days the service from out of town regularly recruited new girls 18 to upper 20's and sent them through. I could count on a new one every week and some were fantastic. They were new to the work, like SBs who needed some extra money, but of course were high volume. I liked the flow of newbies but what I like is a Low volume newbie. They were busted of course.

Happy Thanksgiving all![/QUOTE]Try for the middle ground. I am not going to give out trade secrets. But if you can find a way to do both at the same time you will get responses across the board from the wannabe princesses to the UTR's but not too many hard core pros as they can smell the deception/lack of desperation quite easily. Works for me.

As fate will have it, I was alone for most of the Holiday week.

I did not do too bad: I sampled a new beau (we agreed $$ for three dates), I entertained the one that happened to stay in town and not visit with the family, and I clinched the M&G with the new SA POT (Jewish and very nonchalant) who profusely promised to meet once she is in town, back from up North. ". My ATF was busy working two retail jobs (she needs to show she makes enough from her "open" sources to rent the apartment). I also had the one that went radio-silence texting back saying that she "might" meet in the future when she "can".

So the new week is upon us and they all will come back. Now it is all about figuring out how we can fit each other into our busy schedules. The young black kid I know all too well, the receptionist in my favorite hotel, will smile and "almost" wink. I wonder what he really thinks, seeing me with different young items three times a week. There are moments when I cannot resist smiling back, thinking how smugly I play all these pretty babes to visit the aging ruin, the mere remnant of its old self. As the glib feller, fast to judge, said here recently, do I have internal struggle with shame? Well, I do not have daughter that age, but if I did, I might have had shame issues.

I have noticed a recent trend on SA with young military girls posting. I sampled one last week and she was quite the delight although the gift was $$. I live in Hampton Roads so there is a significant military presence here so maybe it's just a statistical coincidence but it does seem like a new phenom. Anyone else noticed this?

Like many on here I began in the escort world and gravitated to the SB / SD life. However I do still check out the escort boards and sites in my area just to keep up to date and will admit to occasionally indulging myself if I see something irresistible. While searching SA I ran across a profile that sounded vaguely familiar. Sure enough, while perusing eros I ran across an ad with almost the exact same intro paragraph. It's nice when you don't have to work very hard to figure out if the potential SB is a pro. Given her eros profile and website I can't imagine there wouldn't be GPS with her. I may contact her on SA just to find out. Here are the two profiles:

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e858d4cb/view?search-created-new[/URL]

[URL]http://www.eros.com/us/georgia/atlanta/files/522277.htm[/URL]

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

Gentlemen,

Well, after a few years of reading this thread and pondering its meaning, I decided to dive headfirst into the sugar bowl and joined SA. And man, all I can ask myself is, why did I wait this long? I would liken it to shooting fish in a barrel, except I think that might require more effort.

In one week on the site, of sending out messages to honeys in my area and getting a few unsolicited inquiries, I have no less than 10 M&Gs scheduled over the next couple of weeks. At this point my biggest concern is how to fit them all in. I'm sure a few will flake but I am pleasantly amazed at how well it's working.

I'm not sure if my area is just significantly under-daddied, or my game is better than I thought. My first one is today with a dirty young thing who I've spent the whole weekend sexting and exchanging naked pics with. She loves S&M and is bringing some implements of the trade with her. She's a single mom, broke, and hasn't had a man in months. I'm really looking forward to this. She readily agreed to $ per date with unspecified "bonuses" here and there. And I think she may want the sex as much as I do.

Anyway, more to come, I'm sure.

My last post did get me thinking about the pro to SB dynamic. I know it's been discussed on here many times. A couple of years ago when I was straddling the escort / sb world more I did meet an pro lady that I really connected with. I talked with her about my sb endeavors and a day after we met she reached out to me via email. We met for lunch and set up an arrangement for $300 per date. One of the reasons I went into the sb world is that in addition to obviously enjoying incredible sex with a 20-something I enjoy going out and socializing with younger women. So, we'd usually do lunch, dinner, or some other social activity followed by at least a couple hours of amazing sex. Her hourly rate for her clients was $350 and I was spending 3-4 hours with her for $300. I thought it was a pretty good deal at the time. I broke it off when I found I could get the same for less, plus she got pregnant to her boyfriend, but that's another story, LOL. I know a lot of guys on here are looking for exclusivity so this type of thing wouldn't work for them, but that aspect didn't really bother me.

I currently am texting back and forth with another pro that I met a few months ago at an agency. Again, we hit it off during the session and she seems interested in spending time with me socially as well as intimately. I'm not sure where it's going and am almost sure I won't be able to afford what she wants, but who knows? Escorts are women too and I think if they connect with someone, they like to go out as much as the next lady and are willing take less to spend time with someone they enjoy being with. Plus, I find usually their lives are so compartmentalized, that they appreciate going out with someone who knows what they do for a living, accepts it and they can talk to about it. A strange dynamic, but sometimes it works.

As a rule though, I certainly agree that it is very difficult to go from escort to SB, especially if you were a successful escort. Unless they meet a whale, there's no way a normal SD could replace the kind of income they make as an escort.

Just some thoughts.

Good Hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=FScott;2274973]In truth, I am seeing more of this sort of thing in the text of new profiles, and don't want to be left behind the curve if this is a new trend among the 20 yos.[/QUOTE]It certainly seems to be among the 20 somethings I am talking to. I've been chatting with several in advance of M&Gs and the talk has turned sexual with three of them. All three say they like bdsm of some level. One is a bit hardcore. That's who I'm going to see this afternoon. We talked long enough that we agreed to just skip the M&G and go straight to the FC.

Over and out.

So I got another day to myself. I really wanted to see the 18 that I had the make out session with about 10 days ago or so. Like I said before, she is a few extra pounds but cute enough, and has a sweet personality. And seems eager for attention. She had suggested we could hang out then I could take her to do a little shopping and a bite to eat. I had put the shopping limit at $.

It's a 50 minute drive and when I got there I wanted to get right to things and she was more than willing. Off to the bedroom, strip down, a lot of kissing, then onto DIY. She is really starting to get into it, I am carrying on and start to insert a digit. Heck, she is tight with just the index finger. She is getting more into it. I bring myself up along side her, suggest that she perform some oral on me. So everything is apparently going great but then her gag reflex kicks in. She feels sick, has to excuse herself. Basically party over. Never had that happen before. We lay together for a short time, then get dress. Sit on couch for a couple of awkward minutes then I excuse myself, leaving with a little bit of cell phone expense money. She was very apologetic and I felt bad for not just hanging out longer but it is a long drive and I figured there was enough time to arrange something else.

So I leave, try to hit up the 20 year old AA I met on POF. She says this week is not good for female reasons but she wanted me to keep trying. So I text 25 year old I met up with a few weeks ago. Once again, not the ideal body type for me but laid back, pretty face and she likes sex. She gets back to me almost right away and we schedule a meet in 90 minutes. She actually meets me a little early (a SB who is punctual? She gets right down to the fun. She is a really good time. Which brings me to another topic and that is motivation and what are in these girls head. And I have come to the conclusion there really isn't one type.

The 18 year old really seems to want attention. She texts me quite frequently just to say hi or say something nice. I have had other POTs or SBs text me first but it is unusually for me to have the SB almost always initiate the chat. The 25 year old basically considers us just "hooking up" as she put it. I don't think she really even thinks of herself as a SB, or UTR or anything. I think she just enjoys sex and thinks if I can help her out, great, but doesn't seem to be the sole purpose of the meet. I am not saying she would meet me otherwise but her approach seems to be more like this what people do in 2014.

Gentlemen,

Clearly I am on the wrong end of the SD / SB equation! I just wrapped up a brief but intense exchange with a baby in my area who signed up on SA on the 29th of November, a day and a half ago. She is a professional musician, and has played with several international orchestras, she says, but all of which, and more, I was able to corroborate through her FB page and a few other internet sites devoted to the music world.

In the course of our exchange, which was going swimmingly I might add, she tells me that she just got back from a 9 month stint in South Korea, and is on her way on Wednesday for 6 months to India! She suggests that we meet Wednesday morning for coffee, and then I could driver her to the airport to catch her flight! She added that I seemed perfect, (which I am) and she was looking forward to spending time with me on an ongoing basis. Puzzled, I asked her how she figured we would be spending time together, what with me being in Chicago and her in Bombay. She told me that her last SD flew out once a month to see her in South Korea, and would take her to Japan for the weekend when he did! WHAT!!! When I expressed my incredulity at this, she replied that clearly I was not the "right kind" of SD for her, and wished me luck in finding someone who was a little more "plebeian, and closer to home. ".

Now I want to know which one of you assholes flew to Korea 9 times to bang this snotty b*tch!

Honestly, I think she is living a rich fantasy life, but I'm wondering who she thought was going to take her up on that "sweet" deal? Honestly, the delusion mixed with gall of some of these babies takes one's breath away at times.

Just thought you all would enjoy a laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Scott.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2284707]I have noticed a recent trend on SA with young military girls posting. I sampled one last week and she was quite the delight although the gift was $$. I live in Hampton Roads so there is a significant military presence here so maybe it's just a statistical coincidence but it does seem like a new phenom. Anyone else noticed this?[/QUOTE]One of my prettiest SBs was a commissioned officer in the Navy. She was a 10/10 Asian -long glistening black hair and full see cups on a size 2 body. She looked full Asian but her Dad was Caucasian. (hence the big tits). These folks are needy since the Officers can't fraternize with the enlisted men. She was a sex addict and got booted for that very thing. American tits and Asian vagina -OMG!

I highly recommend supporting our Military (women that is).

[QUOTE=FScott;2285155]Gentlemen,

Clearly I am on the wrong end of the SD / SB equation! I just wrapped up a brief but intense exchange with a baby in my area who signed up on SA on the 29th of November, a day and a half ago. She is a professional musician, and has played with several international orchestras, she says, but all of which, and more, I was able to corroborate through her FB page and a few other internet sites devoted to the music world.

In the course of our exchange, which was going swimmingly I might add, she tells me that she just got back from a 9 month stint in South Korea, and is on her way on Wednesday for 6 months to India! She suggests that we meet Wednesday morning for coffee, and then I could driver her to the airport to catch her flight! She added that I seemed perfect, (which I am) and she was looking forward to spending time with me on an ongoing basis. Puzzled, I asked her how she figured we would be spending time together, what with me being in Chicago and her in Bombay. She told me that her last SD flew out once a month to see her in South Korea, and would take her to Japan for the weekend when he did! WHAT!!! When I expressed my incredulity at this, she replied that clearly I was not the "right kind" of SD for her, and wished me luck in finding someone who was a little more "plebeian, and closer to home. ".

Now I want to know which one of you assholes flew to Korea 9 times to bang this snotty b*tch!

Honestly, I think she is living a rich fantasy life, but I'm wondering who she thought was going to take her up on that "sweet" deal? Honestly, the delusion mixed with gall of some of these babies takes one's breath away at times.

Just thought you all would enjoy a laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Scott.[/QUOTE]A laugh indeed!

A fun way to introduce her to realistic expectations in the sugar world would be to set up the meeting and agree to give her a lift to the airport. Try to schedule the meeting as close to the plane departure as she will allow. Confirm multiple times via text as if you're worried she will be a no-show. Then go dark. LOL.

Wait about a day to respond, then reply with an apology for being a no-show or causing her to scramble for a ride to the airport or whatever she complains about, but after her fantastic tale of an SD flying to S Korea to meet her, you thought she wanted to play a game of who can BS the other better.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2285212]One of my prettiest SBs was a commissioned officer in the Navy. She was a 10/10 Asian -long glistening black hair and full see cups on a size 2 body. She looked full Asian but her Dad was Caucasian. (hence the big tits). These folks are needy since the Officers can't fraternize with the enlisted men. She was a sex addict and got booted for that very thing. American tits and Asian vagina -OMG!

I highly recommend supporting our Military (women that is).[/QUOTE]Damn Fred. If she hadn't gotten busted you might have nailed a future Admiral.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2285290]A laugh indeed!

A fun way to introduce her to realistic expectations in the sugar world would be to set up the meeting and agree to give her a lift to the airport. Try to schedule the meeting as close to the plane departure as she will allow. Confirm multiple times via text as if you're worried she will be a no-show. Then go dark. LOL.

Wait about a day to respond, then reply with an apology for being a no-show or causing her to scramble for a ride to the airport or whatever she complains about, but after her fantastic tale of an SD flying to S Korea to meet her, you thought she wanted to play a game of who can BS the other better.[/QUOTE]I like the way you think Jeez. LOL.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2285496]I like the way you think Jeez. LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't get a chance to exercise the darker nooks and crannies of my neocortex often enough. It can backfire sometimes though.

Once in my late teens, there was a young lady I wanted out of my life for various reasons. Once, she was nagging me to be a part of my weekend plans, so I thought of a way to send the message. I said she could meet me at a party I was going to that Friday night. But, (here's the message). I intentionally gave her FAKE directions to the residence of the party host (this was of course pre-GPS technology). That Friday, while the party was in progress, the owner of the residence and I left the home to drive to a local convenience store to stock up on beer. When we got back to his place and walked in, the girl I gave fake directions to was sitting there in the living room smiling hoping I would give her a hug. I thought he had pranked me! Turns out she had found my directions confusing, and called the girlfriend of another one of the guys to get written directions to the residence of the party (accurate ones, unfortunately for me). Awkward! She ended up storming out in a huff. It took me a while to completely figure out what happened.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2285290]A laugh indeed!

A fun way to introduce her to realistic expectations in the sugar world would be to set up the meeting and agree to give her a lift to the airport. Try to schedule the meeting as close to the plane departure as she will allow. Confirm multiple times via text as if you're worried she will be a no-show. Then go dark. LOL.

Wait about a day to respond, then reply with an apology for being a no-show or causing her to scramble for a ride to the airport or whatever she complains about, but after her fantastic tale of an SD flying to S Korea to meet her, you thought she wanted to play a game of who can BS the other better.[/QUOTE]Lizard,

I'm afraid we did not part on the best of terms, so it's too late for me to offer her my chauffeur. However, I'd like to call upon any and all Chicago-area brothers reading this to show themselves and allow me to share her SA profile name in case they might:

A. Be willing to fly to India several times over the next 6 months to service this not-really-all-that-hot insane little fish, or,

B. Be willing to have some fun yanking her chain a bit, and then report on it.

I know you're out there, so step forward into the light and let's have a bit of fun. Maybe YOU could offer to send your corporate limo to pick her up tomorrow.

Waiting to hear from you, I remain, as always,

Scott

How you do handle the ones that can't drive or don't have transportation? I've had three pots in the last couple of weeks that had that issue. I wound up passing on all of them because when they gave me the addy it was either in a sketchy area or too far (profile said one city, they lived in another).

I have noticed a number of SB's with a different city in their profile vs their real location. It has all been legitimate, but it is too common to be random.

There must be some guidance they are all getting from the same source. I. e. Different city, disclaimer not allowing use of profile, clarification of arrangement up front, etc.

We need Intel on the guidance they are getting and the source.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2287411]How you do handle the ones that can't drive or don't have transportation? I've had three pots in the last couple of weeks that had that issue. I wound up passing on all of them because when they gave me the addy it was either in a sketchy area or too far (profile said one city, they lived in another).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2287411]How you do handle the ones that can't drive or don't have transportation? I've had three pots in the last couple of weeks that had that issue. I wound up passing on all of them because when they gave me the addy it was either in a sketchy area or too far (profile said one city, they lived in another).[/QUOTE]At least half the girls I see have no car. But they are young. If they live in a sketchy area try to have them meet you at a public place. Starbucks, etc. In my case I sometimes don't always know if the area is sketchy or not because this city is big and I haven't even begun to explore all of it. But dating has definitely gotten me out of my comfort zone.

Tonite I met a 19 year old that does live in a sketchy part of town but her part of it was just fine (met her in a drive thru parking lot). No car, no nothing really, but that's normal for a lot of really young girls. Anyway this was just a M&G so I am not sure if I will see her again or not. She was either really shy (don't be fooled by her pic) or really not into me.

I guess I'll find out soon enough. But I couldn't pass up the opportunity to meet her. She was so pretty in person. Awesome spinner body. For me she was a 9/9. Tiny face and hands. Super soft voice. She talked for an hour. I just listened. Couldn't even get a real kiss out of her. She said a lot of stuff I hear related in this thread. The kind of stuff NP girls say. But her looks and neighborhood say otherwise. Who knows, who cares. lol.

Unfortunately she reminded me of my x. Another amazing looking girl that wasn't all that where it counted most. And I will never put myself in that position again. This was my first M&G in 3 weeks. The last one was with my "tomboy princess" that I am still banging the hell out of. I hope she didnt get too upset when I txted her by accident after my M&G saying how happy I was to meet her tonite. Note to self. Always wear glasses when txting. Gonna try and meet another one tomorrow. An x child star you have all seen at least once .

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2287411]How you do handle the ones that can't drive or don't have transportation? I've had three pots in the last couple of weeks that had that issue. I wound up passing on all of them because when they gave me the addy it was either in a sketchy area or too far (profile said one city, they lived in another).[/QUOTE]I have observed a huge increase in teenies in college on SA who do not have a car. It is bad for me because I have to expose myself in public twice / meet, going to pick up and return them after the FC. It just doesn't work for my risk profile. And they all have multiple roommates so can not play at their place. I do not mind a sketchy part of town if they have their own pad. I can't believe the awful places I went to meet hookers.

BIll Cosby: apparently is / was a monger like us. Since he is rich and famous former escorts are coming out of the woodwork to get their 15 minutes. He had a driver / bag man who is telling all it seems. Perhaps it is good to be neither rich nor famous when playing the Sugar game.

Since my return to the bowl a few months ago, I have been exclusively choosing babies who live alone or have roommates who can evacuate when the need arises. I don't know why I didn't do this long ago!

It has significantly upped my weekly Baby Bang Count (BBC?) both by reducing the required outlay of funds (no hotel), and by reducing the amount of time needed to get the panties on the floor on any given day.

I recognize that it works for me because I am in a major city, and the pickin's are plentiful, but it has made my life so much easier and more pleasant, I just thought I'd share the (obvious) insight. Plus it really enhances the whole GFE that playing in the Bowl is all about for me.

Keep up the good work, my friends, and do no harm!

Cheers,

Scott

PS - I got a cryptic text from my former ATF a week or so ago. "Where are you now?" This is the baby, some of you might recall, who left me for her lesbian gf, reunited to ride me bareback, disappeared again, only to be spotted by me with afore-mentioned GF and a visible baby bump. I have not heard from her again, and got no answers to my text reply. Time to fake my own death?

[QUOTE=FScott;2287999]Since my return to the bowl a few months ago, I have been exclusively choosing babies who live alone or have roommates who can evacuate when the need arises. I don't know why I didn't do this long ago!

It has significantly upped my weekly Baby Bang Count (BBC?) both by reducing the required outlay of funds (no hotel), and by reducing the amount of time needed to get the panties on the floor on any given day.

I recognize that it works for me because I am in a major city, and the pickin's are plentiful, but it has made my life so much easier and more pleasant, I just thought I'd share the (obvious) insight. Plus it really enhances the whole GFE that playing in the Bowl is all about for me.

Keep up the good work, my friends, and do no harm!

Cheers,

Scott

PS - I got a cryptic text from my former ATF a week or so ago. "Where are you now?" This is the baby, some of you might recall, who left me for her lesbian gf, reunited to ride me bareback, disappeared again, only to be spotted by me with afore-mentioned GF and a visible baby bump. I have not heard from her again, and got no answers to my text reply. Time to fake my own death?[/QUOTE]I think BBC is mostly used to describe something else. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2288016]I think BBC is mostly used to describe something else. LOL.[/QUOTE]I couldn't find it in the list. What does it mean? Is it something bad?

[QUOTE=FScott;2288045]I couldn't find it in the list. What does it mean? Is it something bad?[/QUOTE]Big Black Cock. Very common parlance in these parts.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2288083]Big Black Cock. Very common parlance in these parts.[/QUOTE]Not what I had in mind at all haha! Not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld fans will remember this).

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2287706]I have noticed a number of SB's with a different city in their profile vs their real location. It has all been legitimate, but it is too common to be random.

There must be some guidance they are all getting from the same source. I. e. Different city, disclaimer not allowing use of profile, clarification of arrangement up front, etc.

We need Intel on the guidance they are getting and the source.[/QUOTE]The city-switching is very common, not only with SD websites but online dating in general. It's just a common tactic when you don't want someone who is looking for you directly to be able to zero in you as quickly, and anyone doing anything remotely sketchy (cheating, or just dating but wants to hide their profile from coworkers etc.) has run into this on social media before and thought about how to best address it. One thing I see a lot is selection of a city that's maybe 30 minutes to an hour away from where they actually live. That way at least if they post a body-only shot, if one of their friends or family sees them and thinks it looks familiar, they look down at the city and think it could be someone else. Just placement of reasonable doubt.

Despite all of the incredibly illogical and downright moronic things females seem to do, never underestimate their innate ability to manage their vagina as a commodity. It comes so natural to many of them that they have all sorts of tactics figured out before they ever leave the puberty years. They learn very quickly and on their own when it comes to using sex to get what they want.

[QUOTE=FScott;2287999]
PS - I got a cryptic text from my former ATF a week or so ago. "Where are you now?" This is the baby, some of you might recall, who left me for her lesbian gf, reunited to ride me bareback, disappeared again, only to be spotted by me with afore-mentioned GF and a visible baby bump. I have not heard from her again, and got no answers to my text reply. Time to fake my own death?[/QUOTE]I remember that story, and yes, in this situation the Lizard would disappear, never to be found. Unless that is you want to get to know your kid, hang out with him, and maybe put him through college.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2287411]How you do handle the ones that can't drive or don't have transportation? I've had three pots in the last couple of weeks that had that issue. I wound up passing on all of them because when they gave me the addy it was either in a sketchy area or too far (profile said one city, they lived in another).[/QUOTE]The vast majority of girls I've seen do not have their own transportation.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2287986]I have observed a huge increase in teenies in college on SA who do not have a car. It is bad for me because I have to expose myself in public twice / meet, going to pick up and return them after the FC. It just doesn't work for my risk profile. And they all have multiple roommates so can not play at their place. I do not mind a sketchy part of town if they have their own pad. I can't believe the awful places I went to meet hookers.

BIll Cosby: apparently is / was a monger like us. Since he is rich and famous former escorts are coming out of the woodwork to get their 15 minutes. He had a driver / bag man who is telling all it seems. Perhaps it is good to be neither rich nor famous when playing the Sugar game.[/QUOTE]" Perhaps it is good to be neither rich nor famous when playing the Sugar game. ".

Concur.

[QUOTE=FScott;2288088]Not what I had in mind at all haha! Not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld fans will remember this).[/QUOTE]My father is gay, LOL.

Hey fellas, just wanted to check in and toss this lovely picture out to the masses. My latest Craigs list score is on tap for lunch and an exended session at her place. Got to love the curves on this one, wish me luck!

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I have been using Google voice the past few years as the primary method to talk and txt with the babids. It seems that Google voice is now integrTed into Google hangouts, so in order to send txt, I must use Hangouts. This makes things complicated. Recently I sent out a few txts from Hangouts to a few POTs, and got replies back directly on my phone. This scared the crap out or me, as I do not want myture number to be known. Immediatelyremoved both Google Voice and Hangouts apps from my phone.

So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?

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So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?[/QUOTE]I use a pay as you go burner phone, and keep all my m&gs and FC visits in there as well. I've been doing that for four years and it works like a charm.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2289223]I have been using Google voice the past few years as the primary method to talk and txt with the babids. It seems that Google voice is now integrTed into Google hangouts, so in order to send txt, I must use Hangouts. This makes things complicated. Recently I sent out a few txts from Hangouts to a few POTs, and got replies back directly on my phone. This scared the crap out or me, as I do not want myture number to be known. Immediatelyremoved both Google Voice and Hangouts apps from my phone.

So, what are the other apps you gents have on your phone to communicate privately with your babies?[/QUOTE]Try the Hushed app. Economical and seems to be improving all the time.